Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

November 18, 2008 -

A great deal of blood has been spilled in the name of religion over the centuries, and the maker of a new board game hopes that parodying religious violence will bring him Earthly rewards.

USA Today reports that Playing Gods: The Board Game of Divine Domination is billed as "the world's first satirical board game of religious warfare," and includes playing pieces such as Jesus wielding a cross and a chain gun-toting Buddha (see pic).

Playing Gods was launched at DragonCon in September. The game's creator, Ben Radford, told USA Today:

Much of the world's violence is rooted in religion... [I wanted to] make more social commentary... [and] pierce the pretensions of extremist religious zealotry with humor...

 

[The game is] not anti-religion. It's anti-zealot, anti-people who kill for their beliefs, whatever those are.

Not surprisingly, Playing Gods is not without its critics. Prof. Carl Raschke, who teaches religious studies at the
University of Denver commented:

[The game] has no basis in historical reality and doesn't actually represent any religion. It just appeals to people who hate religion to begin with — the hip subculture of militant popular atheists. These people are fanatics, for the most part, themselves. Their thinking is rigid and hostile and not much different from jihadists who don't use their minds or study what they are dealing with. They start from their own dogmatic perspective.

 

Of course it is [offensive]. But it sounds too stupid to go far.

In an FAQ on the Playing Gods website, designer Radford denies that the $39.99 game is anti-religious:

The game is not anti-anything, except anti-boredom. Players can inject as much – or as little – real religion into the game as they wish. Players may pit Zeus against Cthulhu and Eric Clapton for control over the world, or pit Jesus against a Muslim figurehead. It's all up to you. I hope the game is taken in the spirit in which it was offered.


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Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

" I think that there is a danger that a society that bases its laws on personal morality can be swayed to something immoral."

Yeah, like the United States for instance. Interracil marriage and homosexuality used to be illegal, and slavery legal. But now those moral laws have changed! Why can't we go back to the good old days when it was OK to stone people to death for working on the Sabbath?... I hope you see the point I'm trying to make. Laws change over time, as societies opinions change, thank goodness.

 

"If it were a Christian-based law system, I'd say go with the Ten Commandments as the base and work out the specifics from there."

That could be interesting. To start with, it wold be illegal to work on the Sabbath. I'm sure you'd be happy that firefighters are doing the moral thing when your house in burning down on the wrong day of the week.

From the 10 commandments: "Neither shall you covet your neighbour’s wife. Neither shall you desire your neighbour’s house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour."

That could be a particularly tricky commandment to enshrine in law. Not only does it seem to condone slavery, and the treatment of your wife as a piece of property, but it actually forbids desiring things. The 10 commandments is not a good guide for morality. I thank God (well, so to speak) that no one actually tries to follow them in modern societies.

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You do bring up some good examples, although a Christian would argue with the homosexual one. Of course, you also have to remember that plenty of Christians were at the forefront of the anti-slavery and civil rights movements.

Unfortunately, you're approaching the Ten Commandments from a legalist perspective; they're not meant to be viewed that way. That view is a product of a modern culture that has a general dislike for any sort of rules and views them as invariably restrictive.

For example the law about not working on the Sabbath is not meant to be prohibitive. Instead, it's meant to provide a day where people can just be people by doing things they enjoy that make them human. If you love mowing your lawn, go right ahead. The commandment is trying to tell you that you shouldn't work seven days a week because you need time to rest and do what you enjoy. If you understand Jesus' teachings about the law in the New Testament, you see that your firefighter example is legalism. The New Testament has passages saying that pulling your livestock out of holes on Sabbath is perfectly fine because the Law isn't meant to be constricting. This is the same reason Christians have no problem with doctors working on Sunday

And I said we'd need a law system based on the Ten Commandments. For coveting, that would translate into a no theft law.

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"plenty of Christians were at the forefront of the anti-slavery and civil rights movements"

This seemed to be despite of the Bible, not because of it. Surely the fact that there were Chistians on both sides suggests that the Bible is not the best moral guide.

"the law about not working on the Sabbath is not meant to be prohibitive. Instead, it's meant to provide a day where people can just be people by doing things they enjoy that make them human."

Obviously this is just your interpretation. Moses, following direct orders from God himself, ordered the stoning of a man for picking up sticks on the Sabbath (accoring to the Bible). Unless you are suggesting you know the rules better than both God and Moses, I don't see where you get your interpretation from.

"The New Testament has passages saying that pulling your livestock out of holes on Sabbath is perfectly fine"

I thought you believed in an unchanging moral law? At one stage working on the Sabbath is punishable by death, then God changes his mind?

"This is the same reason Christians have no problem with doctors working on Sunday"

No, christians don't have a problem with doctors working on Sunday because they don't want to die. Of course they are going to reinterpret the Bible in the most self-serving way possible, that doesn't mean it's right.

"And I said we'd need a law system based on the Ten Commandments."

Why not base it on any of the commandments found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandment_Alternatives

They seem like better starting points. Or maybe a legal system based upon our innate sense of empathy.

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1. Plenty of atheists involved with a lot of immoral crap, too, but I'm not going to assume they're representative. And this also wouldn't be the first time someone has taken a religious text and used it for his own ends. Radical Muslims do it all the time; I don't see people saying they're representative of all Muslims or that the Koran must be bad because some people use it to justify suicide bombings. Please try to avoid the double-standard; it makes your opinions look weak.

2. This is not just my interpretation; this is the accepted interpretation of many Biblical scholars. If you spend some time studying good Christians theology, you'll probably find that I'm right.

3. The stoning for work on the Sabbath was part of the culture-specific law the Israelites put in place themselves to serve as their interpretation of the law. God never said "Thou shalt stone those who violate that commandment." God didn't change his mind; the coming of Christ overturned the legalist interpretation you're using and made the law what it was supposed to be. The morality behind the law didn't change.

4. Now I'm wondering why I debate you since you'd prefer to make Christians out to be self-serving pigs. I guess if you want to be unreasonably bigotted, I can't stop you. I would, however, like to point out that I gave a perfectly good, non-selfish, New Testament-supported reason for doctors working on Sunday while you just used it as an excuse to throw around your mean-spirited, baseless, and uninformed opinion. And, since I'm obviously the one who understands Christian theology in this debate, I think my informed reasons trump your uninformed, anti-Christian opinions.

5. If you think you could base a law system on that rstuff, go right ahead. Of course, since there's absolutely no reason for anyone to follow it, I don't see why you'd bother. It's another set of arbitrary rules. If you can't provide a reason to follow said rules, you're not getting anywhere.

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

I would disagree with that slightly.  My suspicion is that the majority of the world wouldn't know how to conduct itself without the carrot/stick morality of classical religion.  I suppose, however, this is my own pessimism about the general intelligence of the population peeking through.

EDIT:   Enlightened self interest FTW?

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

I think the bigger question is: Who still plays board games these days?  How big is the market?

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

Quite high for games like Settlers of Catan, Carcassonne, Scrabble etc.

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

As long as you can get a group of friends together, and make sure everyone understands enough of the rules, you can still play them - just make sure you don't do something equivalant to "Free Parking jackpot".

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But it could cause religious violence, haha j/k

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when i buy this product and bring it over to my friends house... a lot of people will be playing

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

Big enough to make them into computer/video games.  Just like card games.  Playing cards are still sold.  Usually at the checkout counter aisles.

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I do, occasionally.  I think my wife and my brother and I would get a real kick out of it.

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

I want the solo player video/computer game version!

I haven't had the time yet to examine all the details of the game, but it sounds like the playable characters are the religious icons themselves against each other.  Not religious icons attacking worshippers and innocent Humans/mortals?

Nor are the characters major followers taking their religious vengence on other worshippers or innocents.

Jesus with a cross (why do I imagine the cross lighting up and the song from the old animated Transformers The Movie called "The Touch" starting to play?) vs Buddha with a chain gun. 

Let's face it, it would be far more violent if witch burnings, crusades, sexual torture to determine "demonic possession", Hunt the Homosexual, Racial genocide, and the inclusion of characters like Eric Rudolph, Fred Phelps, John Bruce "Jack" Thompson, Jim Jones, Jim and Tammy Faye Baker, and other "minions" were included and you expanded the rules to include domination, abuse, suicide pacts, and others actions to reduce opposing worshippers and increase your own followers.

Quite frankly, the professor sounds like a very uneducated individual.  By that very short statement of his, I'd say he's into revisionist history and misinformation, lies, and deceit as "moral" codes of education.  Talk about corruption. 

And as to negative stereotypes in the media, there's plenty of that going around.  Not just religion.  You'll note that every time an Athiest or even an Agnostic is brought up, they are "radical" or "militant", even for suggesting neutral viewpoints.  Athiests and Agnostics are basically identified as satan worshippers.  Let's also not forget that many acts that outspoken religious folks make tend to BE negative.  Anti-homosexual references, advocation of abuse for various reasons, bigotry and hate against a variety of individuals.  Usually, when it's positive, only local media carries those stories.  That's because only the most sensationalistic of stories make it to the major news media.  How many local news stories are there nationwide every day?  Now, choose out of ALL those the positive local stories and try to fit them in to a single, national news story.  The fact is, there are far fewer negative news stories, and they usually end up the loudest because they are easier to choose from. 

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I object!

If Jesus has a cross in this game, then it should beWolfwood's cross from Trigun. That could take on Budda's chaingun any day of the week.

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

All of a sudden I got an incredibly awesome picture in my head. Jesus wielding Wolfwood's cross in one hand while juggling the many pistols concealed in the cross, firing each one as he catches it and tossing it up in time to catch the next one on the way down. That would be undeniably EPIC.

"There are some things in life worth making a fuss over. This probably isn't one of them."~ Something a lot of stressed-out people in the world need to remember.

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

I want the solo player video/computer game version!...

You mean Populous?

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

Actually, Age of Mythology with the expansion packs might be closer.

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Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

Hmm... Good call.

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

I want that game.

 

And I know the song you're talking about, "The Touch" - that's a GREAT mental image...  except I keep seeing Jeebus "opening" his cross to "light his darkest hour".

 

And the mental image of Zeus hurling bolts of lightening to kill his opposition's followers is awesome.  That'd be a fun strategy game, methinks, but hard to balance.

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

Hmm... *writes Mnementh's idea down*

If our game company idea actually gets off the ground, we'll get right to work on that.

"There are some things in life worth making a fuss over. This probably isn't one of them."~ Something a lot of stressed-out people in the world need to remember.

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LOL - "Arise Christimus Prime!"

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

:: Christimus Prime points his finger at his hated enemy... ::

"This is the end of the road Buddatron!"

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Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

I actually laughed out loud on that.

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

I must say, it made me chuckle as well. Probably would have been a full laugh if I hadn't been at work at the time.

-Gray17

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

To assist in the conversation, there are a few types of Atheists - mostly, Gnostic and Agnostic.

A Gnostic Atheist says there is certainly no god or gods.  Little different from a Gnostic Theist, who says there is certainly a god or gods.

An Agnostic Atheist says there is no evidence of god or gods, and therefore no reason to give the idea credibility.

An Agnostic Theist says there is no evidence to rule out god or gods, and therefore assumes their existance.

 

Millitant Atheists mostly fall into the Gnostic Atheist catagory.  Agnostic Atheists (like myself) are mostly skeptics.  Agnostic Theists are also usually skeptical, and are usually not clasically religious.  Gnostic Theists are your classic religious people.

 

A little terminology goes a long way towards clarifying the conversation.

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It's interesting how we atheists/theists always seem to have different definitions for ourselves, including me.  On the topic of existence of gods, there either are or aren't.  There are literally no other choices, so its not a false dichotomy.   The way it goes for me, like I mentioned in a post way further up, because neither side can actually show that they are indeed right (in other words, provide proof) the clause "I don't know" has to be part of any position regarding the existence of god, even on the theist side.   As such, claiming to be a true agnostic (saying that they have no opinion because they don't know) is impossible because in truth no one actually knows. 

Some use that same logic to claim that everyone is agnostic, but since agnosticism is not a valid stance on any subject with an either/or answer, that doesn't work.  If you were to draw a line with atheism on one side and theism on the other, agnosticism would be represented by an infintismally small point.  Therefore, its impossible to be agnostic.  Neither side knows, those that do claim to are what is known as "illogical," "militant," and "fanatic."

I suppose there could be an exception to this, say perhaps someone just literally doesn't give a damn either way (which despite what ppl say I bet that most do in some small way or another.)  They still wouldn't be true agnostic though, they just wouldn't be on the graph at all.

As for the actual non-agnostic positions, I classify them into weak, moderate, and strong.  Strong are the crazies, moderates are the normals, and weak are the ones that aren't sure but still lean a little to one side.

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

Yeah, I will not hesitate to admit that there's always the chance that I could be wrong and that there is no God.

"There are some things in life worth making a fuss over. This probably isn't one of them."~ Something a lot of stressed-out people in the world need to remember.

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

Ever played Xenosaga?

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

Actually no, but I hear good things about it.

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

Very good game, if you don't mind hour long cutscenes. But all in all the story is top notch and very thought provoking.

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Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

I've played that, and aside from the story depth and cutscene length that could rival the Metal Gear series, I think that it's the only video game I've seen where Jesus is a player character.

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Yeah, and the sexy android quoting scripture. What was her security password? "And ye shall be as gods." I think.

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Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

Oh dear, I just realized...  I've just outlined D&D style alignment for real life, regarding religion.

 

"I'm Chaotic Good!"

"I'm Lawful Neutral!"

"I'm Neutral Stupid!" - "No, you're not."

"And for the last time, there is no 'Chaotic CUTE'!"

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There is also the true Agnostic that says there is no evidence that there is or is not a God or God(s), therefore neither side has definitive proof, and continues to look at both sides of things with equal value.  Which is why I do for the most part, but I side with no God for the most part in debates because normally people debate the God side with me.  I have very little experience debating the God side period. 

I have yet to stumble on crediable facts that prove a young Earth, only an old Earth being billions of years old, or solid proof that evolution is not real, especially since on a microbiological level it is fact, and other things.

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That would make you an Agnostic Atheist, methinks.  Under the definitions I run with, a True Agnostic just doesn't care.  Since you're looking for objective, emperical evidence, and there exists none of that for the supernatural (that I know of), you're not taking anything on Faith.  The complete and utter lack of Faith (except, perhaps, faith that the universe is internally consistant) is what defines, in my mind, the Agnostic Atheist.

Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

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It is weird with me, because I wouldnt say I have faith, yet you can see in some of my posts even I talk as if there is a God, because I do not rule it out by any means, and accept the possibility.  Granted I think the Bible is as off as can be in many ways, but the concept of a superior being is not something I can doubt....

Maybe you are right though...  I am not taking anything on faith because the term is illogical based on basic logic.  It is like the under pants gnome situation.  They gather the underpants, ?, profit.  The '?' is faith in that formula.  It is a jump of logic to reach the destination.  On an advance form of logic, it could be qualified as logical for many people buy building a bridge separately from the two sides to meet in the end, making me think there is always at least a small gap, but if you never jump to the other side, you can never build that bridge...  So with that logic, I would have to say you are right.

If you take string theory, then we have many unknowns that could explain the situation far better and prove either way, which is why I am still say that there could be a God and there could not be one.

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Exactly - you're not completely ruling out the idea, but you've done your homework and can't give credibility to the classical religions.  No Faith = Agnostic Atheist.  You're skeptical of religion, and demand more than just, "It is written" as evidence.

The classical religions, IMO, don't really explain things all that well, and their holy books have numerous factual and historical errors that come to light when you examine them critically (Check out the Skeptics Annotated Bible on Google if you want a good start).  I cannot believe them, or in them.

The words of Epicurus sum up my feelings on classical deities:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?  Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?  Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

To summarize, I'm open to the notion of a "god-like" being, but I've never seen any evidence to convince, or even point me, in that direction.  Further, I've never seen any evidence of the supernatural.  All evidence I HAVE seen points to both gods and the supernatural being fantasy.  Until such time as evidence to the contrary is produced, I have no logical choice but to keep questioning.

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Thanks for the Google search idea.

And very nice last paragraph...

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Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

Agnostic is I don't know, or we can never know.

I have no faith but I'd put money down on 'there is no God' if we were to start taking bets right now.

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Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

Again, I'd say you're an Agnostic Atheist.  Like me you're not completely ruling out the possibility, but you're taking nothing on faith.

 

I'd put my money on 'there is no God', too.

 

Please note that I DO have plenty of religious friends.  We agreed to disagree and we moved on.  :)

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

I like Harry Dresden's view of Agnostic. "I'm Agnostic! Theological Switzerland thats me!"

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Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

 Faith is just a synonym for "I don't know".

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

It also means 'I choose to blindly accept this answer/information for whatever reason'.

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Not always. I blindly accept nothing, but I DO accept the possibility that I may be Incorrect (or Correct if you want to get technical) in my choices. It's the people that BELIEVE they are 100% absolutely correct and there is NO possibility they are wrong that scare the bejeebus out of me.

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Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

The folks who deal with 100% absolutes (a.k.a. the Zealots, on either side) scare me, too.

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Jack, if you're going to start that again, you could AT LEAST provide the name of a charity for Penny Arcade to donate the money to.  I mean seriously, welching on a deal AND not providing a place for well-meaning people to cover your crass mistake?  That's SO 2005.

Re: Controversial New Board Game Parodies Religious Violence

 You need to sympathize with the athiests though, have you ever tried to debate a blindly religious person before?

Athiest:

    "According to what we have seen in the Universe, there may be a chance there was never a beginning and that the Universe is perpetual in nature."

Christian:

    "Bible says different so you're wrong."

Athiest:

    "But the astrophysicists have seen the Universe accelerating in every direction, suggesting that..."

Christian:

    "God did it, all praise Jesus."

Athiest:

    "... put down the fucking bible and think for yourself."

Christian:

    "HELP HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED"

Athiest:

    "God damn it..."

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Reminds me of all the idiots who say evolution is from the devil.

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Andrew EisenPredominately figurines or swag of all kinds?11/22/2014 - 8:37pm
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Andrew EisenI'm just waiting to buy a new Gamecube controller for my Gamecube.11/22/2014 - 7:15pm
Wonderkarphttp://kotaku.com/smash-bros-gamecube-adapters-sold-out-online-prices-g-1662162871 Smash Bros Gamecube adapter sold out, online prices go nuts11/22/2014 - 6:50pm
Andrew EisenI bet there's a lovely comedy of errors surrounding that list's journey to the IGDA's page!11/22/2014 - 6:49pm
 

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