Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

November 22, 2008 -

Comedian and activist Bill Cosby likened Grand Theft Auto to a prison prep course during an appearance in Greenwood, Mississippi on Thursday.

Cosby, who urged the local African-American community to take an active role in bettering their neighborhood, dismissed Rockstar's controversial game series, saying:

Cost your mother $250 to buy that for you so you can practice your entrance exam (to prison).

Cosby's remarks were filmed for an upcoming documentary. Among his other comments:

The drug dealer is not in your culture, nor is the prostitute, nor is the glorified pimp if you teach black pride. They have no pride. They don’t know their culture.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Cosby is getting up there and years (and a bit angry, which is a God-given right when you've survived for 55+ years). I applaud most of his messages - parents need to be parents, dress and act like a grown man, dont use your race as an excuse - and I can almost see what he means. He might not grasp the whole thing about games, as few people do if they havent been playing them, and I think he was just using GTA as an example. A very poor example, especially since it was used in context with leading a life filled with poor choices. I disagree with this statement, but he doesn't lose any respect for it.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

 And talking the mumbly jumbly for all these years screams African pride. If anyone has maybe the African youth in America stupid Bill, its you.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

 

Bill Cosby: "if you teach black pride. They have no pride. They don’t know their culture."

 

Just what exactly is "Black Pride", Mr. Cosby? If this is anything like "White Pride" , or "European Culture", then you sound EXACTLY  like David Duke, KKK White Supremacist, Sir.

After Barack Obama renounced his 20 + close personal association with Black Supremacist Church of Referend Wright, I find this man's open discourse in such a race superiority promoting subject as Racial Pride disturbing!!

Certainly one can have more to be proud of than the Color of one's skin!

 

He should apologize, if there is any culture black americans belong to it is AMERICAN culture, not race-based culture.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

 For the most part, to show pride for ones background without resorting to hating people who are not of said background is acceptable. Racist groups like the ones mentioned express this pride by showing how deficient non-group peoples are, instead of taking pride in their own qualities.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Superficial analysis, inherent in Racial Pride, is superiority...guess what that means, others are INFERIOR. Did you go to public school?

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

AMEN.

You, sir, are my new favorite person.

 

EDIT: Supposed to be a reply to Austin... Dang.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

about michelleobamarama,

Honestly, are people still listening to this troll?

Yes, I've heard of people getting e-mails from the guy, but you'd be surprised (or not) at what people do to get attention. For every response this guy gets, my stupor exponantially increases along with this idiot's ego.

I dunno, to me all this JT talk is finally getting old, speaking of old.....

For those who talk smack about Bill Cosby;

Yes, he may a bit tad out of line, but he's within reason.

We live in a society that after all, glamorizes on what can be called scum (i.e.: Paris Hilton); so in speaking in neighborhoods that are prone to gang violence, it can be understandable. So yeah, GTA is NOT an entrance exam to prisons (leave that to the public schools and peer pressure). By like many of the abused that derive their ideas from the media, I can at least see where he is comming from.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Personally, I knew our pop culture was garbage back when Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys started beating out better bands.  It's all been downhill since that.  Thank GOD for Flogging Molly and the Dropkick Murphys.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

People still listen to this guy? I'm guessing the folks who watched his old TV shows either are "empty-nesters", grew up with video games.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

I think you guys are being a little harsh on mr. Cosby, he doesn't seem to be the most informed person in the world in regards to this issue but he's not a total idiot like most of these other critics, and his heart is in the right place, something none of the other critics can say eitehr. It might just be that I think he's hilarious but I think he was just using video games as an easy to relate to topic through which he could get his real point across. That said, I don't particularly approve of people picking the badguy of the day and using him so they can sound more informed and important.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Just like you, JT, I don't take advice from hypocrites.

He talks about family but keeps getting in trouble with sex scandals.

Pot meet kettle.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

"Cosby has more sense in his little finger than every gamer poster has in his entire body."

He also has more sense in his little finger than you've ever had in your entire body. Of that you can be sure. Also, I love this "90% of American parents" deal. Yes, they think it's sewage so much so that they and their children actively consume it 99.9% of the time (yes, Jack, I pulled a statistic out of my ass and used it for argument's sake too. Although at least I admit to pulling it out of my ass). Go figure.

Oh, and I find it hard to believe that Cosby is in fact arguing that all pop-culture is sewage, because that would essentially be admitting that everything he's ever done in his career has been a deplorable waste of time (the Cosby show, a myriad of different movies, all of which fall under the definition of "pop culture").

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Cosby is stating what 90% of American parents know:  Pop culture is sewage that has a corrosive effect.

Cosby has more sense in his little finger than every gamer poster has in his entire body.  Cosby has been saying this stuff for years.  Odd that the owner of the site just noticed.  Jack Thompson

 

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

That's amusing consider you are a 'Pop Lawyer', you know, one who cares more about being heard than things like 'The Law' or 'People's Rights' or any of that stuff. Nope, you're one of the next-gen 'X-Factor' lawyers who think that it's some kind of doorway to fame, it's just a question of being 'noticeable' enough.

So Jack, you are part of that sewage that comes into our houses every day, self promoting, regardless of fact, and totally focussed on your own agenda without regard nor concern for the very ideals you claim to represent.

Ironic, isn't it?

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Well, 90% of American parents are allowing the so-called "sewage" in their homes to begin with, so what's your point, Metropolitian Moron of Miami?

It isn't that hard to change the channel and buy appropirately rated games, music, and movies for the kids.

Besides, you know that attacking American pop culture gives comfort to the Islamofascist terrorists we've been fighting for the last seven years(you even admitted as much in a letter to Take-Two on the 5th Anniversary of 9/11). The Constitution defines that as treason, of which you and other pro-censorship groups like the Parent Trash Cult and the American "Family" Association and even the five appointed pieces of garbage in the FCC are guilty of. How does it feel knowing you're nothing more than a modern-day Benedict Arnold?

Practice what you preach: Grow up and get a life.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

If 90% of American parents know that pop culture is sewage, then how is it that GTA is so successful in the States? Seems a little ironic doesn't it, that these parents who know they're buying sweage give it to their kids. It's almost as if they want their kids to play this sewage. In which case, blame the parents.

Cosby has been saying this stuff for years? And I thought he was selling Jell-o for years. 

If anything, Mr. Cosby is only deomonstrating just how out of touch he is with America today. At one point he definetly was pop culture, and quite the idol at that. Now he's just a has been, looking for attention in any way he can. He thinks he's still relevant.

LMAO.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

"...90% of American parents know:  Pop culture is sewage that has a corrosive effect."

And this statistic comes from...where?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

His head, duh. Look how high and exact that percentage is. No way in hell that came from a credible source.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

I would say it came out of his ass, but his head's been up there since 1990. Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

"I would say it came out of his ass, but his head's been up there since 1990."

True.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Seriously, look at how young children are dressed these days.  I swear, I went to the mall for some new running shoes and I saw a gaggle of twelve-year olds who looked like whores.  Seriously.  If I hadn't known better, I would've said they were whores. 

I'm gonna guess the real figure is around 25% of parents at MOST, and that's being generous.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Yet, you ONLY attack video games.

And 90% of americans buy into pop culture, with few ill effects other than acting stupid.

Well, must explain you then.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Uh-huh, yeah, right. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's dangerous, and 90% of the time, it ISN'T. If TV, movies, comics, video games, etc, weren't around, you know what would happen? Other things would take their place in the world of 'pop culture.' Pop culture isn't a thing that can be taken away from society. It's a term for what's popular PERIOD.

Oh, and i just bet that 90% percentage you just posted was as made-up on the spot as the one I made. Right? You have until you finish reading this post to say otherwise.

You just lost the game. Again.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Yeah right.  If pop culture really is dangerous then I would be dead right now, because I grew up in the 90's and there was much more pop culture (not just video game related) then there is today.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

The drug dealer is not in your culture, nor is the prostitute, nor is the glorified pimp if you teach black pride. They have no pride. They don’t know their culture.

He is right on that one...

Its like Chris Rock said, theres Black people, and theres *******.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

While I think going after the game is a ploy to get the attention of the community, in this case I think it is the right one having grown up in such a place/community. The message is not about gamer culture or games in general - people are losing sight of that. It is about the glorification of thug life that is all too real for youths in such impoverished communities.

 I have only ever herd Cosby use his fame as a way voice his concern about how low black culture, especially popular black culture was/is and that it would be up to them as black people starting with the family to change that to create positive cultural influences for young black kids to aspire to and not the gangsta, thug and bling riddled rap type of trash.

He wants black kids to aspire to be doctors, lawyers, engineers, professors, policemen, military officers, cooperate managers, bankers -etc... Now if that is racist then I must be one too since I find his message to be one I would want for any group of people not just blacks.

Yes he is harsh of those members of the black community that he see as bringing down the overall "sense of being black in America" but we do that as white people every day with other whites. So why should he held to a different standard?

Is it not odd that most white antigame advocates are pushing for government intervention to do the parenting for them and here is Cosby pushing for black parents to do it for themselves and he gets hammered for it - WTF?  Preach on brother Bill - preach on!

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Bill Cosby is saying that GTA IV makes you do violent and illegal things.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

This guy is as completely and utterly clueless and out-of-touch now as he was a few years ago when he went off on some rambling tangent about baggy pants and rap music and this and that and the other thing that's wrong with urban black culture. His criticisms are pointless, self-righteous and lack any constructive qualities whatsoever. It's easy for some millionaire black guy to stand on a soap box and pontificate about what's wrong with everybody and everything else, but what does that accomplish? Does he think that his black "credentials" somehow qualify him to pronounce sweeping judgements on communities and subcultures that he has seems to have very little direct knowledge of? Screaming out "EVERYTHING ABOUT YOUR LIFESTYLE IS WRONG, SHAPE UP IMMEDIATELY!" is never, ever going to change a single thing or effect any positive influence. With that said, I laughed heartily at calling GTA4 a "prison entrance exam" and if he was just trying to be a funny man here then he succeeded. If he's serious then maybe he should learn what the fuck he's talking about before issuing statements like this.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Why is Mr. Cosby attacking the game and the makers of the game?, but not the retailers for selling it to minors, not the parents for buying for their children? You're targeting the wrong people Mr Cosby. I'm not sure whether you know it or not Mr. Cosby. Video Games are also for adults now. It's an M-rated game for adults that's not even sold at Toys R Us. The parents should check for the M rating. If Children are buying these games without their parent's present, again it falls back on the parents. That's the bottom line Mr. Cosby.
 

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Why should he be attacking any of those things at all? I'm not seeing any evidence that GTA4, or any video games for that matter, are causing widespread social decay, regardless of who is playing them and what their age is.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

"The drug dealer is not in your culture, nor is the prostitute, nor is the glorified pimp if you teach black pride. They have no pride. They don’t know their culture."

And you don't know our culture, so I guess we're even?

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Listen up Cosby.

 

It's upbringing that leads to judgement calls. A white youth is just as likely to rob a Quick Stop as a black youth if he wasn't raised right.

Stop ****** preaching like it only affects one group of people, then when someone does call these bigots(Jackson,Sharpton) out on things like this they call that person racist.

And FYI I am willing to be on Al's raido show to debate this.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

That wasn't funny, Mr. Cosby.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Some people are missing the point here. This isn't Jack Thompson telling the surburban soccer mom how her son is going to kill people because of GTA. This is a black man to black people in bad neighborhoods that re-inforces the ideas. It's totally different- of course, the average born and raised middle class white blog poster won't realize that- DON'T FUCK WITH MY VIDYAGAMES, BILL COSBY!

I see people criticizing him for quoting 250 dollar as the game price. That's just stupid to say he is an idiot or his statement is invalid for that reason (also its partially true).

I see people calling him a racist when he's trying to relate to people. Trying to help people better themselves as a community isn't racism, it's an individual, personal call to action.

Despite the truth of his words- he's still a comedian, and you can't take everything at face value.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

This isn't any different from Jack Thompson telling suburban soccer moms that video games turn kids into killers. Both Cosby and Thompson are doing the exact same thing, which is preaching about a subject they're totally ignorant of because it happens to be highly visible. If Bill Cosby is genuinely trying to "relate" to people and help them better their communities then he's doing a miserable job, I would have to say. Does he really think that giving motivational speeches about all the things he finds wrong with urban culture will ever actually yield any positive changes? Are the drug dealers and gang bangers going to hear this guy's criticisms and realize what terrible, counter-productive lives they've been leading all along and go work at menial, minimum-wage jobs instead of driving Cadillacs paid for with drug money?

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

his main point is still valid.  black people need to stop keeping black people down.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

One of the most truthful comments on the black community was on the chapelle show, when he was running that faux-game show 'so you know black people' or something like that.  One of the contestants says 'we need to stop cuttin each other's throats.'

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

considering he's probably talking about the console itself and game (which today is somewhat accurate) it's not a very stupid thing to say. I like Bill Cosby and people shoulnd't be giving him crap for this. He's just trying to do some good. Gratned i don't agree with him, but he's not the person that needs to be attacked.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Well, maybe he is not an idiot, but still, he is uninformed about a topic and he maybe should don´t talking about it like it were truth. That´s not good. For nobody. Not matter what race you say you belong. You don´t talk about things you don´t know enterily if you want to be a leader for your community. That´s the same as lie.

And it is not just about the 250 dollars. He is assuming videogames corrupt people as a fact, and we know that´s not truth.

And basically, he is saying GTA kills people. That´s the only thing people will understand.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

While I respect his efforts to better the black community, I don't respect the way he's doing it. If he wants to create change in his community, he needs to start blaming the irresponsible people in his community and not video games or rap music. Black gangs existed WAY before either of those did, if he wants to better his community, he should start supporting programs to keep kids out of gangs and away from drugs.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

He's showing he doesn't know much about the nature of gang activity as well. The only groups that you can give gang status are above 20 and they are the ones committinga huge majority of the violent crime. Adults are and always will be more dangerous than kids.

Also, every generation since the early 1800's has believed that the one before them is worse due to [insert thing that youths are doing that older people aren't]. There's no evidence to support any of it.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

... are you kidding?  There are GANGS with people under the age of 13 in them, taking part in all aspects of that 'gangsta' life.  There are GANGS that are paying kids 8-12 to act as lookouts. There are young teenagers taking part in violence that would make Vietnam veterans grimace.  There are children in gangs wielding machetes.

Where the hell do you get the idea that gagns are made up of people above 20?  

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

I like Bill Cosby, but this just pushes his parody of "Rap music causes the brain damage!!" Whoops, it's now "GTA IV causes the brain damage!" 

And thanks to GTA IV they'll never know what the jazz music is all about either :( Unless the game has a jazz radio station...I haven't played this one.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

It does have a jazz radio station and I think it's pretty nice.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Yay! At least there's one thing Bill Cosby can be happy about.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

The LAST thing we should do is teach 'black pride' or white pride or hispanic pride. Why in all holy hell should you feel pride in something that was completely random, that you had absolutely no control over and did nothing to obtain? George Carlin summed it up well when he compared it to having pride in being 5'4'' or being susceptible to colon cancer.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

I'll tell what's an undeserved stereotype of the Black community: A T.V. show depicting an intact Black family with both a patriarch (who's an obsetrician) and a matriarch (who's an attorney) (count them, folks; that's not one but two professional degrees) who collectively make $1,000,000 a year. And some of those those Huxtable kids, given Cliff and Claire's complexions, were disturbingly "high yalla."

Bill's generally alright, but he can be full of it, sometimes.

Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

But that isn't a stereotype at all.

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Re: Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

$250? For what? The game? A console? The game and a console? That's a good indication you don't actually know much about video games in the first place, guy.


 
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james_fudgeThere aren't many left in America08/21/2014 - 1:50am
MechaTama31I sure have. Dorky's barcade in Tacoma, WA.08/20/2014 - 5:56pm
Matthew WilsonI have not been to a arcade in years. I know arcades are still big in japan.08/20/2014 - 5:38pm
Sleaker@AE - Ah no it's called GroundKontrol - I was just referring to it as a Bar-Arcade.08/20/2014 - 4:39pm
 

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