Bill Cosby: Grand Theft Auto is Entrance Exam for Prison

Comedian and activist Bill Cosby likened Grand Theft Auto to a prison prep course during an appearance in Greenwood, Mississippi on Thursday.

Cosby, who urged the local African-American community to take an active role in bettering their neighborhood, dismissed Rockstar’s controversial game series, saying:

Cost your mother $250 to buy that for you so you can practice your entrance exam (to prison).

Cosby’s remarks were filmed for an upcoming documentary. Among his other comments:

The drug dealer is not in your culture, nor is the prostitute, nor is the glorified pimp if you teach black pride. They have no pride. They don’t know their culture.

Via: Greenwood Commonwealth

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  1. 1AgainstTheWorld says:

    "I like pudding.  And Ghost Dad was the best movie I’ve seen since Leonard Part 6." — Stewie

  2. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    "I would say it came out of his ass, but his head’s been up there since 1990."



    "Game on, brothers and sisters." -Leet Gamer Jargon

  3. Austin_Lewis says:

    … are you kidding?  There are GANGS with people under the age of 13 in them, taking part in all aspects of that ‘gangsta’ life.  There are GANGS that are paying kids 8-12 to act as lookouts. There are young teenagers taking part in violence that would make Vietnam veterans grimace.  There are children in gangs wielding machetes.

    Where the hell do you get the idea that gagns are made up of people above 20?  

  4. Austin_Lewis says:

    Seriously, look at how young children are dressed these days.  I swear, I went to the mall for some new running shoes and I saw a gaggle of twelve-year olds who looked like whores.  Seriously.  If I hadn’t known better, I would’ve said they were whores. 

    I’m gonna guess the real figure is around 25% of parents at MOST, and that’s being generous.

  5. BearDogg-X says:

    I would say it came out of his ass, but his head’s been up there since 1990. Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

    Proud supporter of the New Orleans Saints, LSU, 1st Amendment; Real American; Hound of Justice; Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always

    Saints(3-4), LSU(7-0)

  6. Inimical says:

    He’s showing he doesn’t know much about the nature of gang activity as well. The only groups that you can give gang status are above 20 and they are the ones committinga huge majority of the violent crime. Adults are and always will be more dangerous than kids.

    Also, every generation since the early 1800’s has believed that the one before them is worse due to [insert thing that youths are doing that older people aren’t]. There’s no evidence to support any of it.

  7. GoodRobotUs says:

    That’s amusing consider you are a ‘Pop Lawyer’, you know, one who cares more about being heard than things like ‘The Law’ or ‘People’s Rights’ or any of that stuff. Nope, you’re one of the next-gen ‘X-Factor’ lawyers who think that it’s some kind of doorway to fame, it’s just a question of being ‘noticeable’ enough.

    So Jack, you are part of that sewage that comes into our houses every day, self promoting, regardless of fact, and totally focussed on your own agenda without regard nor concern for the very ideals you claim to represent.

    Ironic, isn’t it?

  8. Anthrax says:

    I think you guys are being a little harsh on mr. Cosby, he doesn’t seem to be the most informed person in the world in regards to this issue but he’s not a total idiot like most of these other critics, and his heart is in the right place, something none of the other critics can say eitehr. It might just be that I think he’s hilarious but I think he was just using video games as an easy to relate to topic through which he could get his real point across. That said, I don’t particularly approve of people picking the badguy of the day and using him so they can sound more informed and important.

  9. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    His head, duh. Look how high and exact that percentage is. No way in hell that came from a credible source.


    "Game on, brothers and sisters." -Leet Gamer Jargon

  10. BearDogg-X says:

    Well, 90% of American parents are allowing the so-called "sewage" in their homes to begin with, so what’s your point, Metropolitian Moron of Miami?

    It isn’t that hard to change the channel and buy appropirately rated games, music, and movies for the kids.

    Besides, you know that attacking American pop culture gives comfort to the Islamofascist terrorists we’ve been fighting for the last seven years(you even admitted as much in a letter to Take-Two on the 5th Anniversary of 9/11). The Constitution defines that as treason, of which you and other pro-censorship groups like the Parent Trash Cult and the American "Family" Association and even the five appointed pieces of garbage in the FCC are guilty of. How does it feel knowing you’re nothing more than a modern-day Benedict Arnold?

    Practice what you preach: Grow up and get a life.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

    Proud supporter of the New Orleans Saints, LSU, 1st Amendment; Real American; Hound of Justice; Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always

    Saints(3-4), LSU(7-0)

  11. sortableturnip says:

    Just like you, JT, I don’t take advice from hypocrites.

    He talks about family but keeps getting in trouble with sex scandals.

    Pot meet kettle.

  12. krowa says:

    If 90% of American parents know that pop culture is sewage, then how is it that GTA is so successful in the States? Seems a little ironic doesn’t it, that these parents who know they’re buying sweage give it to their kids. It’s almost as if they want their kids to play this sewage. In which case, blame the parents.

    Cosby has been saying this stuff for years? And I thought he was selling Jell-o for years. 

    If anything, Mr. Cosby is only deomonstrating just how out of touch he is with America today. At one point he definetly was pop culture, and quite the idol at that. Now he’s just a has been, looking for attention in any way he can. He thinks he’s still relevant.


  13. Paul T. Farinelli says:

    "Cosby has more sense in his little finger than every gamer poster has in his entire body."

    He also has more sense in his little finger than you’ve ever had in your entire body. Of that you can be sure. Also, I love this "90% of American parents" deal. Yes, they think it’s sewage so much so that they and their children actively consume it 99.9% of the time (yes, Jack, I pulled a statistic out of my ass and used it for argument’s sake too. Although at least I admit to pulling it out of my ass). Go figure.

    Oh, and I find it hard to believe that Cosby is in fact arguing that all pop-culture is sewage, because that would essentially be admitting that everything he’s ever done in his career has been a deplorable waste of time (the Cosby show, a myriad of different movies, all of which fall under the definition of "pop culture").

  14. Andrew Eisen says:

    "…90% of American parents know:  Pop culture is sewage that has a corrosive effect."

    And this statistic comes from…where?


    Andrew Eisen

  15. hellfire7885 says:

    Yet, you ONLY attack video games.

    And 90% of americans buy into pop culture, with few ill effects other than acting stupid.

    Well, must explain you then.

  16. DavCube says:

    Uh-huh, yeah, right. Just because something is popular doesn’t mean it’s dangerous, and 90% of the time, it ISN’T. If TV, movies, comics, video games, etc, weren’t around, you know what would happen? Other things would take their place in the world of ‘pop culture.’ Pop culture isn’t a thing that can be taken away from society. It’s a term for what’s popular PERIOD.

    Oh, and i just bet that 90% percentage you just posted was as made-up on the spot as the one I made. Right? You have until you finish reading this post to say otherwise.

    You just lost the game. Again.

    David Gagnon, Mature Human Being, and You’re Not.

  17. VideolandHero says:

    Yeah right.  If pop culture really is dangerous then I would be dead right now, because I grew up in the 90’s and there was much more pop culture (not just video game related) then there is today.

    — Official Protector of Videoland!

  18. VideolandHero says:

    Bill Cosby is saying that GTA IV makes you do violent and illegal things.

    — Official Protector of Videoland!

  19. michelleobamarama says:

    Cosby is stating what 90% of American parents know:  Pop culture is sewage that has a corrosive effect.

    Cosby has more sense in his little finger than every gamer poster has in his entire body.  Cosby has been saying this stuff for years.  Odd that the owner of the site just noticed.  Jack Thompson


  20. JoeCB1991 says:

    The drug dealer is not in your culture, nor is the prostitute, nor is the glorified pimp if you teach black pride. They have no pride. They don’t know their culture.

    He is right on that one…

    Its like Chris Rock said, theres Black people, and theres *******.

  21. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    Starfleet, maybe. I happen to be a captain, BTW.


    "Game on, brothers and sisters." -Leet Gamer Jargon

  22. Austin_Lewis says:

    One of the most truthful comments on the black community was on the chapelle show, when he was running that faux-game show ‘so you know black people’ or something like that.  One of the contestants says ‘we need to stop cuttin each other’s throats.’

  23. Spartan says:

    While I think going after the game is a ploy to get the attention of the community, in this case I think it is the right one having grown up in such a place/community. The message is not about gamer culture or games in general – people are losing sight of that. It is about the glorification of thug life that is all too real for youths in such impoverished communities.

     I have only ever herd Cosby use his fame as a way voice his concern about how low black culture, especially popular black culture was/is and that it would be up to them as black people starting with the family to change that to create positive cultural influences for young black kids to aspire to and not the gangsta, thug and bling riddled rap type of trash.

    He wants black kids to aspire to be doctors, lawyers, engineers, professors, policemen, military officers, cooperate managers, bankers -etc… Now if that is racist then I must be one too since I find his message to be one I would want for any group of people not just blacks.

    Yes he is harsh of those members of the black community that he see as bringing down the overall "sense of being black in America" but we do that as white people every day with other whites. So why should he held to a different standard?

    Is it not odd that most white antigame advocates are pushing for government intervention to do the parenting for them and here is Cosby pushing for black parents to do it for themselves and he gets hammered for it – WTF?  Preach on brother Bill – preach on!


    "The most difficult pain a man can suffer is to have knowledge of much and power over little" – Herodotus

  24. RSF says:

    This isn’t any different from Jack Thompson telling suburban soccer moms that video games turn kids into killers. Both Cosby and Thompson are doing the exact same thing, which is preaching about a subject they’re totally ignorant of because it happens to be highly visible.

    If Bill Cosby is genuinely trying to “relate” to people and help them better their communities then he’s doing a miserable job, I would have to say. Does he really think that giving motivational speeches about all the things he finds wrong with urban culture will ever actually yield any positive changes? Are the drug dealers and gang bangers going to hear this guy’s criticisms and realize what terrible, counter-productive lives they’ve been leading all along and go work at menial, minimum-wage jobs instead of driving Cadillacs paid for with drug money?

  25. RSF says:

    Why should he be attacking any of those things at all? I’m not seeing any evidence that GTA4, or any video games for that matter, are causing widespread social decay, regardless of who is playing them and what their age is.

  26. RSF says:

    This guy is as completely and utterly clueless and out-of-touch now as he was a few years ago when he went off on some rambling tangent about baggy pants and rap music and this and that and the other thing that’s wrong with urban black culture. His criticisms are pointless, self-righteous and lack any constructive qualities whatsoever. It’s easy for some millionaire black guy to stand on a soap box and pontificate about what’s wrong with everybody and everything else, but what does that accomplish? Does he think that his black "credentials" somehow qualify him to pronounce sweeping judgements on communities and subcultures that he has seems to have very little direct knowledge of? Screaming out "EVERYTHING ABOUT YOUR LIFESTYLE IS WRONG, SHAPE UP IMMEDIATELY!" is never, ever going to change a single thing or effect any positive influence. With that said, I laughed heartily at calling GTA4 a "prison entrance exam" and if he was just trying to be a funny man here then he succeeded. If he’s serious then maybe he should learn what the fuck he’s talking about before issuing statements like this.

  27. Orionsaint says:

    Why is Mr. Cosby attacking the game and the makers of the game?, but not the retailers for selling it to minors, not the parents for buying for their children? You’re targeting the wrong people Mr Cosby. I’m not sure whether you know it or not Mr. Cosby. Video Games are also for adults now. It’s an M-rated game for adults that’s not even sold at Toys R Us. The parents should check for the M rating. If Children are buying these games without their parent’s present, again it falls back on the parents. That’s the bottom line Mr. Cosby.

  28. strathmeyer says:

    "The drug dealer is not in your culture, nor is the prostitute, nor is the glorified pimp if you teach black pride. They have no pride. They don’t know their culture."

    And you don’t know our culture, so I guess we’re even?

  29. ecco6t9 says:

    Listen up Cosby.


    It’s upbringing that leads to judgement calls. A white youth is just as likely to rob a Quick Stop as a black youth if he wasn’t raised right.

    Stop ****** preaching like it only affects one group of people, then when someone does call these bigots(Jackson,Sharpton) out on things like this they call that person racist.

    And FYI I am willing to be on Al’s raido show to debate this.

  30. Father Time says:

    It does have a jazz radio station and I think it’s pretty nice.


     "What for you bury me in the cold cold ground?" – Tasmanian devil

  31. Conejo says:

    his main point is still valid.  black people need to stop keeping black people down.

    Here are we — and yonder yawns the universe.

  32. Zevorick says:

    considering he’s probably talking about the console itself and game (which today is somewhat accurate) it’s not a very stupid thing to say. I like Bill Cosby and people shoulnd’t be giving him crap for this. He’s just trying to do some good. Gratned i don’t agree with him, but he’s not the person that needs to be attacked.

  33. Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    Well, maybe he is not an idiot, but still, he is uninformed about a topic and he maybe should don´t talking about it like it were truth. That´s not good. For nobody. Not matter what race you say you belong. You don´t talk about things you don´t know enterily if you want to be a leader for your community. That´s the same as lie.

    And it is not just about the 250 dollars. He is assuming videogames corrupt people as a fact, and we know that´s not truth.

    And basically, he is saying GTA kills people. That´s the only thing people will understand.

    The cynical side of videogames (spanish only): My DeviantArt Page (aka DeviantCensorship):

  34. PoisonedV says:

    Some people are missing the point here. This isn’t Jack Thompson telling the surburban soccer mom how her son is going to kill people because of GTA. This is a black man to black people in bad neighborhoods that re-inforces the ideas. It’s totally different- of course, the average born and raised middle class white blog poster won’t realize that- DON’T FUCK WITH MY VIDYAGAMES, BILL COSBY!

    I see people criticizing him for quoting 250 dollar as the game price. That’s just stupid to say he is an idiot or his statement is invalid for that reason (also its partially true).

    I see people calling him a racist when he’s trying to relate to people. Trying to help people better themselves as a community isn’t racism, it’s an individual, personal call to action.

    Despite the truth of his words- he’s still a comedian, and you can’t take everything at face value.

  35. MasterAssassin says:

    While I respect his efforts to better the black community, I don’t respect the way he’s doing it. If he wants to create change in his community, he needs to start blaming the irresponsible people in his community and not video games or rap music. Black gangs existed WAY before either of those did, if he wants to better his community, he should start supporting programs to keep kids out of gangs and away from drugs.

  36. Father Time says:

    The LAST thing we should do is teach ‘black pride’ or white pride or hispanic pride. Why in all holy hell should you feel pride in something that was completely random, that you had absolutely no control over and did nothing to obtain? George Carlin summed it up well when he compared it to having pride in being 5’4” or being susceptible to colon cancer.


    "What for you bury me in the cold cold ground?" – Tasmanian devil

  37. JustChris says:

    I like Bill Cosby, but this just pushes his parody of "Rap music causes the brain damage!!" Whoops, it’s now "GTA IV causes the brain damage!" 

    And thanks to GTA IV they’ll never know what the jazz music is all about either 🙁 Unless the game has a jazz radio station…I haven’t played this one.

  38. JDKJ says:

    I’ll tell what’s an undeserved stereotype of the Black community: A T.V. show depicting an intact Black family with both a patriarch (who’s an obsetrician) and a matriarch (who’s an attorney) (count them, folks; that’s not one but two professional degrees) who collectively make $1,000,000 a year. And some of those those Huxtable kids, given Cliff and Claire’s complexions, were disturbingly "high yalla."

    Bill’s generally alright, but he can be full of it, sometimes.

  39. Thomas McKenna says:

    Bill Cosby has been against any kind of violent media since…well…forever I guess.  Adding video games doesn’t surprise me too much.  He’s not like someone like JT that think video games are the herald of the apocolypse.  He treats all violent media in the same light. 

  40. Sai says:

    $250? For what? The game? A console? The game and a console? That’s a good indication you don’t actually know much about video games in the first place, guy.

  41. Pominator says:

    Wasnt there a mission in IV that had the mafia tasking you with"removing" someone who was arrested as a punishment for his foolishness?


    To me, seeing that is more of a deterrent because you get an idea that pretty much any criminal activity could be stepping on the toes of someone higher up, this sort of stuff sounds more like he has heard of a popular game that is controversial for its criminal activities so he has said this stuff so he could get a rise out of some people, I doubt there is much to worry about here, public displays of incompetence are very popular in this day and age, its one of the great things about that first amendment!

    (To all those possibly offended, I meant that in the best possible way, I am a firm advocate of acting like an absolute tit in the middle of the streets!)

    Your soul is a tasty refreshing treat to ones such as I

  42. BearDogg-X says:

    His degree is in physical education. As he put it in "Bill Cosby- Himself", he’d tell your child to take a lap.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

    Proud supporter of the New Orleans Saints, LSU, 1st Amendment; Real American; Hound of Justice; Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always

    Saints(3-4), LSU(7-0)

  43. SithLibrarian says:

    It’s Video Game Cosby!

    I’ve fixed his quote:

    "Ya’see, Rudy, you cost your mother $250 to buy that zip zop zoopity zop game for you, ya’see, so you can practice your entrance exam to prison, Theooooooo!"

  44. SounDemon says:

    Um, I believe the entrance exam to prison consists of murder, rape, and burglary, Mr. Cosby.

    Bill, you need to shut the hell up about things you have no idea about; have you ever been to Los Angeles? REAL people kill each other and innocent civilians over RIVALRIES; if GTA is the best example you can find of an "entrance exam", why don’t you look at the Crips and Bloods?

  45. garrett says:

    I appreciate Cosby’s take on parenting. He’s on the money most of the time, is a great comedian, and deserves every honorary award he’s received.

    But when it comes to shooting his mouth off about something he knows little about, mostly because I really don’t think he’s spent a few hours playing GTA, he’s wrong. However, I understand that no one is perfect, including him, who admitted to cheating on his wife back in the 90’s (only after the extortionist fake daughter Autumn Jackson came along). On the list of things that are pretty bad, like lying to your roomate about paying the rent on time, calling in sick to work because you bought a new game,… lying to your lifelong partner is somewhere above those. Really, Mr. Cosby? You spoke so well about Camille back in the 80’s. Rant, rant.. rant.

    He should continue to point issues at things he really knows about, such as parenting and race education (hell, he as a doctorate degree in education!), but don’t include those that you don’t know squat about, oh you know, like VIDEO GAMES.



  46. Vake Xeacons says:

    I definitely agree with that last part.
    “They don’t know their culture.” but that goes for a lot of rappers too. But attacking games? Please, Bill, don’t start. You’ve done so much good. Don’t throw it away now. “Cost your mother to buy that for you”? Please tell me that’s your latest stand-up routine…

  47. oto kirlama says:

    I’m all for freedom of ttnet vitamin speech and allowing rent a car game makers to put whatever they want in games, but there’s one thing about this app that has me scratching my head.  Correct me if I’m wrong, but from araç kiralama the previous article araba kiralama on this I gathered that players can use Google maps in-game to find the other (real-life?) dealers in their area.  If this is the case, has travesti anyone considered what’s stopping someone from using this app to actually move drugs between hands for reals?

    But majority araba kiralama of their outrage araç kiralama stems from what it could DO TO children, not the content itself.  Talk to one of these people and you’ll find they don’t think any books kiralık araba should be banned from children.  Mention American Psycho and they talk about kiralık araç the redeeming value of using imagination to construct a story.  Reading, no matter what the content, is largely viewed as a consequenceless activity for people of any age.  The reason why I mention American Psycho is because of the content itself.  Gaming never has and likely never will have any scenes where someone has sex with a severed head.  Not gonna happen.  Yet despite this, they’ll fight tooth and nail to protect their children from two boys kissing in Bully but whatever they read is harmless… yeah.

    The entire arguement is kiralık oto based upon a social normality inflicted by luddites who can’t figure out the controls for Halo so it’s frightening and terrifying and obviously the cause of youth violence on the rise even though, in reality, it’s in decline (which is actually a HUGE suprise given minibüs kiralama the economies status).  In  a perfect world, we would have parents that actually parent.  The idea of sales restrictions on media on oto kiralama any form to accomidate parental unwillingness to get involved with their child’s life is the real problem to me.  Here I am, 32 years old, and being held up at a self-scan rent a car needing to show ID before I can buy a $10 M rated game all because Soccer Momthra can’t be bothered to look at the crap Billy Genericallystupidson does in his free time.  It’s too hard for her, so I have to suffer?

  48. Kevlar says:

    Superficial analysis, inherent in Racial Pride, is superiority…guess what that means, others are INFERIOR. Did you go to public school?

  49. Adamas Draconis says:

    It was Richard Pryor. And Pryor told him to "Have a Coke and a smile and shut the *%#& up"

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  50. Flamespeak says:

    Cosby will be the first to admit that he doesn’t like anyone using minority status as a right to throw around racists stereotypes. He is very, very critical of people that use race related humor, as he feels it does nothing but divide races.  I wouldn’t doubt he would call the man or meet him personally and ask him to stop, because he did that to Eddie Murphy for cursing too much in the 80’s, but I doubt he would go through the means of trying to run him out of his business.

    Plus, Chappell’s reason for quitting the show was just amazingly stupid. He did a racists skit portaying black people negatively and he thought that a white member of his studio audience laughed too hard.

  51. ConnorM5 says:

    Cosby is getting up there and years (and a bit angry, which is a God-given right when you’ve survived for 55+ years). I applaud most of his messages – parents need to be parents, dress and act like a grown man, dont use your race as an excuse – and I can almost see what he means. He might not grasp the whole thing about games, as few people do if they havent been playing them, and I think he was just using GTA as an example. A very poor example, especially since it was used in context with leading a life filled with poor choices. I disagree with this statement, but he doesn’t lose any respect for it.

    And with that, I leave you with pokemaaaaaans:



    "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedom

  52. Derovius says:

     For the most part, to show pride for ones background without resorting to hating people who are not of said background is acceptable. Racist groups like the ones mentioned express this pride by showing how deficient non-group peoples are, instead of taking pride in their own qualities.

  53. Kevlar says:


    Bill Cosby: "if you teach black pride. They have no pride. They don’t know their culture."


    Just what exactly is "Black Pride", Mr. Cosby? If this is anything like "White Pride" , or "European Culture", then you sound EXACTLY  like David Duke, KKK White Supremacist, Sir.

    After Barack Obama renounced his 20 + close personal association with Black Supremacist Church of Referend Wright, I find this man’s open discourse in such a race superiority promoting subject as Racial Pride disturbing!!

    Certainly one can have more to be proud of than the Color of one’s skin!


    He should apologize, if there is any culture black americans belong to it is AMERICAN culture, not race-based culture.








  54. Derovius says:

     And talking the mumbly jumbly for all these years screams African pride. If anyone has maybe the African youth in America stupid Bill, its you.

  55. Austin_Lewis says:

    Personally, I knew our pop culture was garbage back when Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys started beating out better bands.  It’s all been downhill since that.  Thank GOD for Flogging Molly and the Dropkick Murphys.

  56. Firebird says:

    about michelleobamarama,

    Honestly, are people still listening to this troll?

    Yes, I’ve heard of people getting e-mails from the guy, but you’d be surprised (or not) at what people do to get attention. For every response this guy gets, my stupor exponantially increases along with this idiot’s ego.

    I dunno, to me all this JT talk is finally getting old, speaking of old…..

    For those who talk smack about Bill Cosby;

    Yes, he may a bit tad out of line, but he’s within reason.

    We live in a society that after all, glamorizes on what can be called scum (i.e.: Paris Hilton); so in speaking in neighborhoods that are prone to gang violence, it can be understandable. So yeah, GTA is NOT an entrance exam to prisons (leave that to the public schools and peer pressure). By like many of the abused that derive their ideas from the media, I can at least see where he is comming from.

  57. Grifter_tm says:

    People still listen to this guy? I’m guessing the folks who watched his old TV shows either are "empty-nesters", grew up with video games.

  58. JustChris says:

    The United States has a unique history with slavery that has placed black people squarely on the focus of bootstrapping themselves. Multi-generational black families have little to no roots with Africa. They have been erased with the slave trade breaking up families and passing on of traditions. They had made their own culture in the world that slavery created for them.

    The subculture that revolves around hip hop has an interesting history. For the most part, it was about fighting "the man", but it was not so glorified. The gangsta rap which became mainstream in the 90’s was more "real" on the issues than what rap has become today. The overall message was, we grew up in a messed-up world and we don’t like it but we need to take our lumps with our sugar. 

    Some lyrics give hints to the hope of making it out of the violence and crime.  Who wouldn’t want to get out of the gutter and have a nice car, right? Unfortunately these lyrics were turned into a parody of themselves with the way mainstream rap developed. People were tired of the dark content (and the coastal wars) from gangsta rap and they took a new direction.

    They now wanted to talk about how they present themselves to cover up underlying problems. So this turned the image of success as a parody of itself. You don’t care how you get that car, just get it. The idea with the ‘bling’ in hip hop culture is that, those are meant to be the end to the means. Rappers get jewelry and great shoes because they’re successful rappers. If you become a doctor or engineer, you too can afford all those toys and cars. But that’s not the way teens see it. They think the bling is the MEANS to the end, and you become cool and successful only after you get it. That is why they go for the NBA or the Grammies. And it’s why some kids get killed in inner city schools to get their shoes stolen from them.

    Finally, the "no more excuses" idea is golden. "It’s because I’m black- " "Obama" ….. shut them up.

  59. Austin_Lewis says:

    A lot of what I’ve heard Dr. Cosby say about the black community in America is spot-on. 

    In America, if you’re black and you succeed in life through means that aren’t illegal, athletic, or musical, the black community will disown you.  They begin to talk about those successes as though they ‘sold out to the white man’ and ‘forgot their roots’, meanwhile they elevate uneducated people to hero status.  God forbid you go to college as something other than a stop to the NBA, NFL, etc, and get a degree and start making money.  But if you’re a drug dealer, you’re sticking it to ‘the man’, which makes you a hero in the community.  If you make music about how ignorant you are, how poorly you treat women, or anything else to do with the ‘thug’ lifestyle, you’re a hero too, and most rap is barely music (if you disagree, look at ‘Soulja’ boy, whose music is mainly him making sounds like woooooooooooooooooah!).  However, the person who works hard, gets through high school, gets a college degree and ends up writing books for a living or doing pretty much anything else isn’t ‘black’ anymore.

    One of the things I think about every time ‘black history month’ rolls around or when Kwanzaa comes up in discussion is this; what would MLK say about the black community today?  I have a sneaking feeling that it would go much like what the Boondocks episode suggested; shame, disdain, and overall disappointment.  Look at Kwanzaa; a holiday made up in 80’s by a rich black man who saw the values that had held tribes together in Africa where gone in the community.  Less than 20 years after MLK was dead, and already the community had begun to slip.

    The real thing that amazes me is that the rest of the world’s black community isn’t like that.  When in England, I didn’t see ONE ‘urban youth/thug’ who was black. 

    One good thing that has come from Obama’s election already was a quote I heard.  I can’t recall who said it, but it goes something like this ‘There’s no more excuses now.’

  60. JustChris says:

    I still have respect for Bill Cosby because of what he said about the black community. If you’re white and say this, you are a racist. And if you are black and say this, you are an Uncle Tom. To these critics, if a group that was historically your enemy did something and they turned out better for it, it is still considered bad because you’re guilty by association (a bad fallacy). Why would anyone support a culture that calls upward mobility "selling out"? Those kinds of cultures are destined to raise inferior citizens forever.

  61. Flamespeak says:

    Just like this article, most of the stuff is taken out of context and the entire point of his message is missed because people are frankenstein-ing up a message they want to use to try and paint a negative view of someone given any chance they can.

  62. nightwng2000 says:

    Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of his negative comments regarding interracial relationships.  I’m finding references to his comments in his book "Come On, People!", but not actual quotes.  But I do recall there being an equally big stink over those comments.  There were also a number of opposing comments regarding other statements he made against African Americans in that book as well.


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  63. Flamespeak says:

    "The only time I have seen him be called a racist is when people say his ‘pound cake speech’ was racist. It was far from racist, but was spinned as being such to sensationalize headline in the news.

    Here is the whole speech, including crowd reactions while he was giving it:

    Edit: I just read the whole article and I can’t really see anything wrong with what he was saying. Most of what he was talking about was things affecting the black community. If you would read the article, it mentioned that he was being humorous when he made the comment. Don’t try and take it out of context like he was frothing at the mouth when he said his statement about GTA. Don’t forget he is still a comedian.

    Really, this is kind of blown out of proportion and GP is only touching on what was supposed to be a humourous side comment to part of a much larger speech. Read the article peeps.

  64. Father Time says:

    The money you pay when you get arrested is a bribe, man. Oh and why does GTA need all those things? It’s supposed to be fun not super realistic. Sure Bully made you complete a mini-game if you got Busted one too many times but it didn’t last all day and it wasn’t something that affected the outcome of the game. Oh and I all ready mentioned the fact that you lose all your weapons. Do you know how much of a pain it is to gather all those grenades, bullets, guns and whatnot? It costs a ton and sometimes you have to go to multiple locations (GTA IV is easier than the others but still).

    I can’t think of any game where your character becomes deformed or weakened every time they die. It’s always respawn the same, probably with only the default weapons. Really it doesn’t need to be realistic, the fact that you can warp time with save, load and retry should clue someone in as to the fact that it’s a game.

    This isn’t life lessons with grand theft auto, this is just grand theft auto.


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  65. nightwng2000 says:

    Make certain missions that you are in when you are arrested fail and be unplayable.

    Depending on the crime, have a house (safehouse) and/or cars in your special stash (depending on the GTA) confiscated.

    Set time constraints on certain missions to be done and have actual jail time, depending on the crime, affect how much time you actually have left to perform those missions, or miss them altogether.

    Offer bonds based on the crime for release or, if you can’t pay that varying amount, spend jail time, which affects the story somehow.

    Or, offer bribes to be released.

    The number of arrests and the types of crimes have serious effects on your capability to perform certain acts in the game or even affect your capability of making it through the story.

    Random (or programmed) Life in Prison, possibly ending the story.  Random opportunities for parole.

    Potential for execution.  Potential to have Governor have you released or even bribed or extored (somehow) to prevent execution or even pardoned.

    And dealing with the hospital, you’re always "Wasted".  What’s wrong with "Critically wounded", "Deformed" (which could affect gameplay and story, "Coma" (which can affect time as mentioned above), "Beat down" (which could, depending on the number of bystanders, could envoke pedestrian response again the police, which could potentially aid you in the story.

    There ARE ways to fit "consequences" into gameplay and have it affect story.  There’s too much sandbox and not enough story mode.  It doesn’t have to be a "Choose your path" book tightness, but there needs to be a bit more reigning in of the sandbox/free mode.  At least while playing the story.


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  66. SeanB says:

    Yes, but that’s the point most people miss. It is entertainment.

    This is what annoys me about the pundits who go after GTA. They talk about "beating up hookers" and other events as if the game is a menu driven "choose your own adventure", not the ALMOST real life simulator it actually is.

  67. Sai says:

    What should they do? Make you spend 5 in-game hours sitting in jail? Maybe a mini game where you have to avoid bubba? It still has to function as entertainment.

  68. Father Time says:

    You forgot losing your weapons, which is a very large pain. In Vice city stories you can pay to get your weapons back (at least in the hospital, not sure about the police station, haven’t played in a while), in san andreas you have to build up a relationship with a cop or a nurse to keep your weapons. In GTA IV you keep them when you die but if you get arrested you can’t get them back. That is why I always load when I get arrested, and I learned that it’s better to go down fighting or blow yourself up then let the police nab you (in the game).


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  69. VideolandHero says:

    I still think the parents should teach their children why you shouldn’t do these kinds of things in real life, so they don’t try it out after seeing it done in a game.

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  70. Kajex says:

    I think the real problem Mr. Cosby has is the propogation of negative black stereotypes, particularly in regards to San Andreas. It’s no secret that he LOATHS to "black culture" that some black people just seem to fan the fires of, particularly predisposition to rap music, gangs, violence and other such bits. He hates the fact that there are a ton of black celebrities and black "artists" who immerse themselves in  that "culture" so deeply as to propogate it.

    And since you can much of it in GTA:SA… well, there you go. And personally, I can’t say I disagree with him.

  71. krowa says:

    GTA is just a game, nothing else. Does chess teach you how to lead an army? Would you make a chessmaster the head of an army just because he can play chess? NO! To lead an army you need many other skills that you simply would not learn playing chess. GTA is the same. It does not teach you how to fight, to shoot, to drive a car or to be successful with woman. Just because you’re character in a GAME can do it, doesn’t mean you can in real life. Blaming video games is an easy out, when really people should be more conserned with their own parenting skills.

    Why doesn’t Mr. Cosby have a problem with America’s Army? It’s a game that the United States Government offers FREE to children. In said game children run around killing forigners, as it is impossible to play anything but American forces in this game (this is quite racist). If Mr. Cosby’s claims are indeed true that video games make killers and criminals out of our youth, shouldn’t he first targe games made by his own government that teach children to be killers?

  72. Doomsong says:

    I wouldn’t call it an entrance exam…. more like a PSAT, just sort of gives you an idea what the test includes.

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  73. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    "Phoenix Wright is practicing your entrace exam to become an attorney."

    We still need to get JT to play that.


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  74. MaJeStIc_12_x says:

    Cost your mother $250 to buy that for you so you can practice your entrance exam (to prison).

    Just like:

    Madden is practicing your entrance exam to the NFL

    Ace Combat is practicing your entrance exam to the Air Force

    Resident Evil is practicing your entrance exam to fighting biological weapons

    Metal Gear Solid is practicing your entrance exam to fighting walking nuclear tanks

    Phoenix Wright is practicing your entrace exam to become an attorney


    The people who make ridiculous statements like this have no idea what they are talking about. They just want to find a scapegoat and a catchy statement in order to gain some notoriety. Some have good intentions, but for most, it’s just about the "attention".

  75. SeanB says:

    While i know these points can be argued, you have (quite simplisticly) defined criminals. Just make sure you never turn the argument around, and use it for stereotyping 🙂

  76. Bennett Beeny says:

    Yeah, the real irony here is that people who play videogames like GTA IV are probably LESS likely to commit crimes than other people, mainly because GTA IV costs a lot (especially when you factor in the price of the console) and it tends to demand that players have a steady income and stay in the home during their free time.

    The defining characteristics of criminals are:

    1. they spend very little free time at home.

    2. they have little money because they have no steady job.

    The fact is, videogames tend to be played by the middle classes, not the poor.  If the poor had the money to invest in an Xbox and if they were willing to play GTA IV it might actually cut down on some crime.

  77. BearDogg-X says:

    Wasn’t there a website that claimed that Cosby, Sharpton, Jackson, Oprah Winfrey, and BET founder and Charlotte Bobcats owner Robert Johnson all conspired to drive Dave Chappelle to cancel his Comedy Central show because they didn’t like him joking about black topics?

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  78. nightwng2000 says:

    Cosby revealed himself as a rascist long ago.  And bigots tend to lack any intelligent arguments to begin with.

    Sadly, like the Racist Al Sharpton and the Racist Jesse Jackson, as with many popular racists over the entire spectrum of bigotry, they have many followers who blindly accept such nonsense.


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  79. nightwng2000 says:

    There are a lot of for and against arguments about his racist comments and attitudes.

    Google "Bill Cosby" with "racist", "racist comments" and other such words and you’ll find a large number of sites arguing for and against.  There’s no real one choice over the other.  I suspect Wikipedia also covers it somewhat, but there are a lot of views regarding his comments and actions over time.


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  80. Flamespeak says:

    I never rememeber Cosby revealing himself to be a racist. Could you provide some kind of link or something please?

    Anywho, working around inmates for over seven years, the topic of video games has come up on more than one occassion. Do you know what most of the inmates played (if they played them at all)?


  81. Icehawk says:

    Wondering how long it will be before Uncle Bill finally tosses in his hat and joins the world of politicians.  That way he can deny anything he said, speak through both sides of his mouth (and possibly his arse) and preach of things to which he lacks a clue. 

    Oh wait he already doing that isn’t he?

  82. nightwng2000 says:

    To a limited degree.  An arrest.  A failed mission.  Loss of a little dollars.  That’s it.

    You’re able to redo the mission.

    You can fairly easily regain your cash.

    And the arrest, while added up on the number of arrests tally, usually has no bearing on future activities in the game.

    It’s not a real RPG, after all. 


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  83. VideolandHero says:

    Doesn’t GTA show that you can get in big trouble for doing illegal stuff?

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  84. Cheater87 says:

    So Bill Cosby thinks GTA costs 250 dollars??? Or does he think that there is a GTA game out for the Wii??? 😛

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