Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game Displays

November 24, 2008 -

An anti-violence group in Winnipeg gave poor marks to Wal-Mart and Toys'R'Us after conducting "inspections" of local retailers yesterday. Violent video games are among the items that concern Project Peacemakers.

Spokesperson Wendy Kroeker told the Winnipeg Sun:

The kind of toy we're trying to encourage here are those that build a child's creativity, a sense of collaboration and skills of co-operation.

 

With [video games], you don't determine the level of violence of your interaction -- the game determines the violence for you... It's not only that they're engaged in violence, it's violence directed against specific ethnicities ... and violence against women.

By way of example, Kroeker mentioned the Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto game series. The group's website explains their retail inspection process:

Our goal... is to raise awareness about the levels of violence in children’s toys and games and to call on retailers, government and the wider community to take steps to limit this violence... These are the kinds of things we were looking for:

  • Whether in-store displays promoted violent toys

  • Whether they sold violent and militarized toys, and particularly if they were at eye-level for young children

  • Whether toy guns were sold and how realistic they were

  • Whether violent electronic games were sold, how they were displayed.


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Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

Seconded

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

Oh no, God forbid our kids play violent games!

When I grew up, we played cowboys and Indians, cops and robbers, etc, and we did so with cap guns and revolvers and rifles that functioned very similiar to the real thing.

I'm sick of seeing organizations that don't want to see violent this or competition or violent play in our schools.  Its a part of growing up, so shut the fuck up and go sit in the corner.  If you don't like it, don't let your child do it at home, but don't try and regulate the rest of us, we don't all follow your whackjob take on parenting.

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

banned in england

 

apparently they qualify as imitation firearms or some BS.

wierd how the older generation who dont understand games talk about FPS's 'training kids to become killers', yet fail to notice we actually have less overall access to 'gun training' than they did with their toy cap guns.

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

oh man...I had totally forgotten about cap guns.  Those things were awsome.  They probably don't make them anymore though.

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They still make them, but they're really hard to find (the good ones).  We got lucky and bought two of the shotguns and two of the revolvers, and my son and I would have fake firefights in the basement which scared the hell out of the dog.

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

I have a picture from about a month ago of a WalMart endcap entirely of cap guns.

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

Where was this? I wish my Wal-mart sold cap guns.

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

Maybe these anti-violence groups should deals with real problems like real life violence and trying to lower/stop it rather then fake violence within entertainment media. Seems like a waste of time and energy to me.

P.S - Is anyone else just sick and tired of the "please think of the children" child protectionist bullshit esspecially when their is no issue of actual harm to children to begin with. I know i am.

 

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

Anti-Violence Activist: Please! Think of the children!

Me: Uh, no.

*I file in with the rest of Anonymous as they raid all Anti-Violence websites*

Then again, I am kinda pissed at them for raiding Trisha Aurora. I got to know her personally, and everything E.D. said about her is absolute bullshit.

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Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

The who the what now?

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

Look up "Rememberance-the-fox" on Encyclopedia Dramatica. That shit came from bulls, if you know what I mean.

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Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

Okay, seriously, what the hell? Those guys seem crazy.

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

I take it you read it?

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Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' "Violent" Game

I am sick and tired as well.

All these "please think of the children" child protectionist groups are really no different than NAMBLA and other pedophiles.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' "Violent" Game

 Atleast with NAMBLA the Cops know where to start when a kid goes missing.

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

P.S - Plus is anyone else sick of the "please think of the children" child protectionist bullshit esspecially when their is no issue of actual harm to children being with. I know i am.

Seconded

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Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

Yes becase EVERYONE knows GTA is a child's toy. 

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

It's called a video GAME for a reason. GAME'S are for children!

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

Silly children playing cell phone Sudoku and Tetris on their way to their office jobs!

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

I think his post had massive sarcasm quotes on it.

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

I know it was sarcasm. Funny how it can be either "the reply was serious because the sarcasm wasn't picked up" or "the reply was sarcasm, noting the sarcasm in the original post" and they both look believable!

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 Get the hell away from my violence. Stop trying to make life boring for male children.

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

 I wonder what their feelings are in regards to female children and dress-up dolls. Idealized beauty is far more harmful than little Billy with his Kung-Fu Action Batman.

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

And here it goes again...

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

Sounds like it is more or less an anti-violence group rather than an anti-video game group. Though I become concerned when a group wants to "limit" the display of violence in a store. That I may agree upon, though I wonder what their interpretation on what is concerned "limited".

Funny that in the 1950's kids had realistic toys modelled after guns... and that generation is "fine" and they are the ones making the laws...

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Once the words Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto and levels of violence in children’s toys and games have been associated I can't help but feel this organisation doesn't really understand what it is complaining about

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

If I remember correctly, Toys-R-Us doesn't sell M-rated games.

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This is what they need to understand:

Children's Toys = Toys for Children

Mature Rated Game = Toys for Mature Adults

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Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

This sort of stuff just frustrates me, because it shows that while games are gradually getting to the stance where everybody plays them, they are still being regarded as "toys". And in my opinion, certainly not the wii is helping that prediciment if the people playing the leading console are just playing Wii sports, Wii Play, and Wii fit just renforces their minds that games=toys. I could go more into that, but thats a rant of mine for a different time and on some dumb system wars fourm, but the fact of the matter is, is that selling violent games like GTA4 is no worse than selling The Godfather, and selling Call of Duty: World at War is no worse than selling Enemy At The Gates (In fact, at Best Buy they are bundled together.)

Games are not simply toys for a sparse audiance of adults, and over 90% of the audience playing them are kids, thats why we have the M-rating for games like World at War, and the E-rating for something like Banjo Kazooie.

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I have to say video games are still toys, just like how 4-wheelers are toys.  They do not follow the traditional sense of a toy, since they are not for young children, but they are definitely things you have fun with any enjoy.  I would say something that is interactive where an individual can play with it for entertainment, then it is a toy. 

Though the actually toy is the console itself, the game is just the rules and world in which they are playing with that toy, but since you need the console to be able to play the game, I would still say it is a toy, that is just me.

That isn't what matters though, who cares if it is a toy.  The real fact of the matter is that it is NOT a child's toy.  That is what we are really fighting about here.  These games listed are not being made for children.  Toys R Us is not just for kids, and some of the toys there prove it, especially the really expensive remote control vehicles.  If Toys R Us only sold kid toys, then they shouldnt even have M rated games IMO, but that is just my personal standards.  I wouldnt be a prick picketing about it since I have sand in my furry vagina like those people.  It is their business to run how they wish.

Any other retailer has the right to sell too.  If they want to picket because they had some 4 year olds go in there and buy a M rated game and the store allowed the kid to buy it, then fine.  Picket and protest the hell out of them if they want, but just for having the game in the store?  Those people need to get the stick out of their asses people.

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Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

But my point is, is that it's okay for a retailer to have copies of Saving Private Ryan, Enemy at The Gates, Godfather, and Scarface but Call of Duty: World at War and GTA 4 is not okay because little Timmy see's it and goes "Mommy, mommy, I want dat!" right next to copies of Michael Mann's Heat. To me, there is a double standard whether accidently or intentionally that video games are being bunched up as products next to Go Diego Go, and Dora the Exploer, that these games are targeted to children and therefore are "toys".

You have to admit that "toys" refer most to a person 12 and under, more often than 21 year olds riding ATV's, so being refered as to "toys" gives me the impression and probebly everyone else that "these are ment for kids." It doesn't matter what the definition of a "toy" is, the important thing is what, and how people react to that word. These people think that Call of Duty is a game so=toy=for kids. Therefore, Call of Duty=for kids. Which is wrong. 

My point is that for them it's bad that a retailer is carrying GTA 4 and Call of Duty, but it's okay for them to be carrying multiple R-rated movies. 

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

All video games are for children, that's why they're called GAMES!

Idiot!

/sarcasm (i hate adding that tag, but far too many people take me seriously when i'm trying to be sarcastic)

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

This just in...

Apparently GI Joe and Nerf advocate violence.

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

Since when were GTA and Call of Duty "childrens toys" anyway?

They have both always been about their adult themes, whether it's war or street crime; even both in their first iterations were about these core aspects.

 

Fuck I hate everybody.

Re: Anti-Violence Group Checks up on Retailers' Violent Game

 It's not only that they're engaged in violence, it's violence directed against specific ethnicities ... and violence against women.

United we Stand, Divided we fall.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008
 
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