NIMF Report Card Praises Game Biz, Gives Parents an Incomplete

Mom and Dad forgot to turn an assignment in, apparently.

While lavishly praising the video game industry in its 13th Annual Video Game Report Card, the National Institute on Media and the Family has tagged parents with an "incomplete."

Actually, the "I" grade is NIMF’s cutesy way of saying, well, not much, to be honest. Here are the grades along with NIMF’s commentary:

ESRB Ratings…. A The addition of ratings summaries is yet another step forward in the growing list of improvements that the ESRB has made in recent years.

ESRB Ratings Education…. We commend the ESRB for intensifying efforts to help parents understand the video game ratings. The ESRB has become the entertainment industry leader in educating retailers and parents about the rating system.

Retailer Ratings Enforcement…. B+  The 80 percent enforcement rate shows significant progress with still some room for improvement.

Gaming Console Manufacturers…. Parental controls, timing devices and parent education efforts are all major
improvements giving parents more tools to supervise game play.

Parental Involvement…. Incomplete  The focus of this year’s report card is providing parents with the information they need. All segments of the industry have made significant improvements in recent years. Parents now have more information and tools than ever before. However, the constant changes present new challenges. Parents need to pay more attention to the amount of time and the types of games their kids play. The parent guide section in this report card is intended to motivate and equip parents to do this.

GP: We can’t argue with the grades assigned to the game industry categories by NIMF, and the industry must certainly be pleased. There was a time, and not so long ago, that the ESA and ESRB dreaded this day as NIMF head David Walsh and Sen. Joe Lieberman would step to a Capitol Hill podium and deliver their annual video game beatdown, er, report card.

As to the incomplete for parents, it’s meaningless, since NIMF has no way to measure it.

We must also say that the process would be far more coherent if NIMF maintained the same grading categories from year to year. The 2007 version, for example (which was far less complementary to the industry), included grades for "Retailer Policies," (broken down by National, Specialty and Rental) and "The Gaming Industry."

The 2005 version absolutely savaged the industry and included grades for "Ratings Accuracy," "Arcade Survey," and "Industry’s 10-year cumulative grade." 

In addition to the grades, the report card contains about 30 pages of material regarding topics such as game addiction and a section on aggression research by Prof. Douglas Gentile of Iowa State University.

Finally, NIMF’s unfortunate decision to accept game industry funding clouds their grading effort. Inevitably, there are those who will say that the one-time watchdog has become a lapdog.

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  1. 0
    Arcanagos says:

    And by the way:

    John Bruce Thompson
    Disbarred Not Eligible to practice in Florida

     

    "Not eligible to practice in Florida"…

    as in ANY part… disbarred as in no longer allowed to practice law.

    Take it like a man, you’ve LOST, you’ve FAILED, you are DONE with your law career, move ON.

  2. 0
    Arcanagos says:

    So report it yourself… if it even exists… cmon give us a link… you’ve always been so eager to report your BS here, now’s your chance to prove us wrong for once in your life!

    …Hello? Anyone there?  …didn’t think so

  3. 0
    Arcanagos says:

    Keep THAT up, Jack, and you’ll be arrested… Impersonating a lawyer is illegal you know…  (a felony too I believe)

    On second thought… keep doing it 😉

  4. 0
    Adamas Draconis says:

    Thank you Jackie, for being the giant flying dick that we all know and hate, for proving that there are people that should never have been conceived, and most of all, Thank you for proving why people like you, who try to spread fear about a media or art form will NEVER be able to prevail against people willing and able to refute your bullshit, not back down from your empty threats,and get in your face and call you a liar.

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  5. 0
    Adamas Draconis says:

    "Jack Thompson, Attorney Still Admitted in the Southern District of Florida!"

    As what local pooper-scooper?

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  6. 0
    Erik says:

    Why is the first letter in nearly every word of your post capitalized?  You would think that a journalis [sic] such as yourself would hold themselves to a higher standard.  Though you sucked at your last jobt, [sic] and therefore we can’t expect you to show any skill in your new one now can we?

    -Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person’s fear of their own freedom-

  7. 0
    obamathesaviour says:

    The Bar doesn’t have the money.  You don’t know that because Dennis McCauley has been required by his nazi keeper, Hal Halpin, not to report the latest development.  That is what happens when nazis think they can censor the news.  Jack Thompson

  8. 0
    obamathesaviour says:

    I’m not the "competition."  I’m the industry chief critic and worst nightmare.  GP is an industry shill.  Go back to school and learn some vocabulary.  Jack Thompson, Attorney Still Admitted in the Southern District of Florida!

  9. 0
    obamathesaviour says:


    Hey Dennis,

    Thanks for Finally Fixing the Typo “Give” in The above Headline, Per my Recommendation

    You’re  Welcome!

     

    AE: Let’s keep the font size reasonable.  Thanks.

  10. 0
    nightwng2000 says:

    Peanut butter to steel girders.

    We saw this type of shell gamery from you and that sociopathic religious leader during the debate on homosexual marriage.

    Remeber John Bruce?  The one where he tried to compare a homosexual copule to an incestous couple?  The one where you tried to link a decrease in birth rates to legalized gay marriage? 

    UK results have NOTHING to do with US results, whether you want it to or not.  No more so than a specific Muslim terrorist attack based on bigotted beliefs can be linked to being equal to Christian acts of bigotry by members of the Key Biscayne Presbyterian Chruch and both are of equal levels of immorality because, hey, they’re both religious, right?  So they must be of equal threat to world, right?  I mean, if certain Muslim leaders teach their children to be terrorists because of their religious beliefs, it only follows that Christian leaders MUST do the same thing, right?

    That would be following YOUR logic, of course.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

  11. 0
    Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    Yeah, of course I was happy. I just kinda miss reading his numerous court filings: they made me feel better about myself. Like reading Chicken Soup for the Soul, but instead of numerous heart-felt stories, the book’s full of failed vitriol.

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  12. 0
    Shadow D. Darkman says:

    "Caps lock is cruise control for cool"

    And I hear cruise control is illegal in certain areas. Jack’s in so much trouble. 

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  13. 0
    squigs says:

    Failure rate in the UK was 75% last thing I read.

    http://www.harrowobserver.co.uk/west-london-news/local-harrow-news/2008/06/25/shops-break-graphic-games-age-laws-116451-21148692/

    The 80% figure for the US was based on an FTC report.

    But doesn’t this suggest that legal enforcement is ineffective?  Retailers can be fined substantially for selling games to underage children.  My figures and yours show that the voluntary system with better publicity is more effective than a mandatory system without much publicity. 

  14. 0
    Alteffor says:

    While I’m sure you’re telling the truth, your sample was from a gamer-oriented convention. The parents that go to that thing are a lot more savvy. While I do believe there are awesome parents who do this, I still think that there are more parents who don’t and they’re the ones who need to change and take a more active role.

  15. 0
    Adamas Draconis says:

    Leet, I worry about you sometimes. Here, have a cookie. It’ll calm your nerves. *sets the plate of cookies on the table*

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  16. 0
    BearDogg-X says:

    This is the same Parent Trash Cult that had to pay Vince McMahon and WWE $3.5 million and publicly apologize to them for lying about wrestling causing Lionel Tate to kill a 6-year-old girl half his size in cold blood, when he really watched The Flintstones and Cow and Chicken. Funny you don’t mention that, since it happened around your neck of the woods.

    Therefore, anything the PTC says is a lie, and as such, is unsubstantiated.

    And the FTC report is more accurate.

    Plus, any M-rated game sales to minors by themselves only represent less than 1% of all video game sales. Do the math, Metropolitian Moron of Miami.

    Practice what you preach, loser: Grow up and get a life.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


    Proud supporter of the New Orleans Saints, LSU, 1st Amendment; Real American; Hound of Justice; Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always

    Saints(3-4), LSU(7-0)

  17. 0
    Erik says:

    For fucks sake you stupid child.  Go look at the FTC then get back to us when you’ve learned something.

    -Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person’s fear of their own freedom-

  18. 0
    Erik says:

    Hey John you might want to have a read of this:

    http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2008/05/secretshop.shtm

    Now do you see the lowest bar for 2008?  That is M rated games.  The video game industry is doing an amazing job in comparison to movies and music.  But you might learn something if you got your information from credible sources like the FTC and not "watchdog" groups like the PTC.

    -Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person’s fear of their own freedom-

  19. 0
    Father Time says:

    Technically Jack Thompson destroyed himself.

    Wait a minute this give me an idea for a pokemon themed photoshop, Jack vs. the florida bar. Jack uses self-destruct. The bar wins. Bar gets $43,000

    Too bad I don’t know how to use photoshop.

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    "What for you bury me in the cold cold ground?" – Tasmanian devil

  20. 0
    HilaryDuffGta says:

    http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)

     

     

    Lmao Oh Yea i Remember that…GOd that was Freaking Hilarious when that happened…Oh well i’m in the safe at least..Jack wont respond to me or my posts because as he put it once "leave the site and go play with your barbies little girl"

     

    I laughed pretty hard when i read that….

     

    oh well back to more ashley tisdale and food

  21. 0
    Mnementh2230 says:

     Jack, you’ve been shot down again and again.  Your lies don’t stand up when we’ve got research to knock them down.

     

    Do yourself a favor – grow up and get a life.

    Mnementh2230, employed and YOU’RE NOT.

  22. 0
    HilaryDuffGta says:

    http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)

     

    True but he’s jack and therefor believes that anyone and everyone who posts on here are just 10 year old children who are "mad cause our toys will be taken away" as a exact quote…i believe for a while during the live journal days we actully ignored moron boy and well all it did was give him that whole "ha ha you wont respond so i’m right and you are all afraid of me..i’ll find out where you live and have you arrested,give me your names address’s and phone numbers when you post in my site"….

     

    The Fact is the guy is a braindead moron who is still mad cause he was never able to get past gta 3…

     

    oh well i gotta go check on hamburger helper and listen to some pop tunes

  23. 0
    Mr. Stodern says:

    I’d just like to point something out here: Jack Thompson has spent the past 3 fucking years here on GP, hurling insults and responding almost as often. Practically everything that goes on here, he knows about from visiting.

    If he’d put that time and effort into doing something, ANYTHING, he’d have been successful in being a hundred times the douchebag that he currently is.

    Digest that for a moment, and enjoy.

  24. 0
    Father Time says:

    Oh come on you were happy to see him disbarred just like the rest of us. Oh and I do remember him not being able to spam court filings without getting the approval of another lawyer so yeah.

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  25. 0
    Shadow D. Darkman says:

    You win the Internet. That was good and kept Jack in-character.

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    "Game on, brothers and sisters." -Leet Gamer Jargon

  26. 0
    Shadow D. Darkman says:

    I’ve been trying to display my sympathy for Patricia and John Daniel (That’s his name?), coupled with indirect advice in case they read these articles, but each time it gets snipped and replaced with a request to keep the family out of it.

    *facepalm* (Happy now SounDemon?)

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    "Game on, brothers and sisters." -Leet Gamer Jargon

  27. 0
    Austin_Lewis says:

    Jack, 2 stores is not a significant sample size.  If you have only have 2 samples of anything, your study is garbage.  This is the kind of thing that peer reviews would have absolutely sodomized were it to be a real study published in any bit of academic literature.

    Of course, you’d know that if your IQ wasn’t less than a third mine, you weren’t high, and/or your name wasn’t Jack Thompson.

  28. 0
    Paul T. Farinelli says:

    @Retrogamer:

    I can just imagine Jack as a Wal-Mart greeter. It’d be just like Family Guy’s skit with Dick Cheney as a greeter.

    As people walk by him, Jack replies: Go f*ck yourself. Go F*ck yourself. Go f*ck yourself. And so on

  29. 0
    RetroGamer says:

    Don’t mind Jack, he’s just bitter that he’s lost his career.

    Actually, I note he’s no longer responding.  I guess he had to go put his blue vest on for his new job as a Wal-Mart greeter.

  30. 0
    Father Time says:

    You know I’d normally point out that all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy shining style. But how much work does Jack get as a web pundit? I wouldn’t think that would be a very stressful job.

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    "What for you bury me in the cold cold ground?" – Tasmanian devil

  31. 0
    MaskedPixelante says:

    Am I reading it wrong, or does it sound like it’s saying that it’s the industry’s fault that parents can’t get informed?

    —You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

  32. 0
    Awol says:

    Odd parents get an Incomplete.

    I volunteered at the ECA booth this pass weekend at VGXPO and all the parents that I spoke too know the ERSB ratings and use them. One even flat out told me she looks over every game her son plays and if it doesn’t meet approval it doesn’t get in the house. I would say parents should be getting a B or higher, granted my sample size is small and bias.

  33. 0
    JDKJ says:

    Fun and jokes aside, though, if he’d done me like he did EZK, I’d would have snapped on him the likes of which ain’t never been seen around these parts. And gladly taken the ban, thereafter. 

  34. 0
    JDKJ says:

    @AE, EZK, and D-Mc:

    I know ya’ll don’t abide playing the dozens, but if Jack can bring EZK’s wife into the mix, can I take a few shots at Patricia and John Daniel? And his Mama? I’ve got some good ones.

  35. 0
    GONK. says:

    Will someone just do the humane thing and send Jack to Hell already? The inbred savage has made it perfectly clear that it will only be satisfied if everyone around it is either senselessly murdered or brainwashed into blindly accepting its pro-child abuse bullshit as the "one truth" or some retarded gibberish like that.

  36. 0
    Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    Phht! Filings! EZK, count how many he’s made since he was disbarred; I could probably do it on one hand….

    Although, knowing that, it kinda makes me pine for the good ol’ days….*long sigh*

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  37. 0
    Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    ….Wow. Looking back (even though it wasn’t too long ago), you were a damned troll then and an immature troll now. You’ve hardly changed a bit.

    Well, you know what they say: "The more things change, the more they stay the same."

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  38. 0
    Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    I wish I was on the receiving end of some of that bile….

    O.O I-I-I!! I mean! I mean, um……O-On second though, n-nevermind…Nevermind!…. <.< >.>

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  39. 0
    DavCube says:

    If you would stop putting all your two-sentence points in separate posts and take your time to put them in one sensible paragraph like you’re taught IN MIDDLE SCHOOL, that’d be really great.

  40. 0
    sortableturnip says:

    At least he’s not posting in leet speak:

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  41. 0
    DavCube says:

    First: No one here types in all caps. Says something about you growing up, eh?

    Second: The ESRB is an american company. Ergo, it doesn’t rate video games in the UK. The UK has its own rating system. So in your own words: Do your research, sweetie.

    David Gagnon, Literate, and You’re Not.

  42. 0
    Pierre-Olivier says:

    He’s been getting worse and worse ever since his Bar trial started. Read the articles AND his commentary and you’ll know what I mean.

    He just loves insulting and slander everyone who disagrees.

  43. 0
    Keddren says:

    Caps lock is cruise control for cool

    Oh, hey, also: I know this may come as a surprise to you, John, but the colonies secceeded from the British Empire recently.

  44. 0
    Monolith says:

    This can’t possibly be the real Jack. I find it hard to believe anyone near his age would stoop so low as to pick fights with people on the internet. His insults are the equivalent of a sixth grader’s.

  45. 0
    Paul T. Farinelli says:

    Jack, do you honestly think you’re witty? The fact that you can call people idiots and use puns puts you right on par with most 12 year olds I’ve encountered. Bravo for you.

    Oh, and I’ll freely admit that the sucess rate of keeping violent games out of the hands of kids in this country is not very good. However, from what I’ve gathered it’s a higher sucess rating than that for the movie industry.

  46. 0
    Andrew Eisen says:

    Or are reading the FTC’s report and holding it’s results higher than the PTC’s (who’s sample size is dramatically smaller).

    By the by, the sample size from the article linked by Thompson?  Nine.

     

    Andrew Eisen

  47. 0
    michelleobamarama says:

    http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/09/15/underage-buyers-score-gta-amp-knives-uk-retail-sting

     

    The above link is a gamepolitics article of two months ago that shows a 55% failure rate to enforce game ratings in the united kingdom.  Any of you people who think there is an 80% success rate in this country as to enforcing esrb ratings are high on drugs or stupid or your name is hal halpin.  Jack thompson
     
     
    AE: Just say "no" to all caps.
  48. 0
    Chuma says:

    PS:  The UK already has enforcable laws in place, so what does that tell you about regulations and why it is better to inform parents of the rating system?

    Nice own goal on the logic playing field, Jack.

  49. 0
    Shadow D. Darkman says:

    Jack. Shut up. Now.

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    "Game on, brothers and sisters." -Leet Gamer Jargon

  50. 0
    Zevorick says:

    Awwww *gives a big ole man hug* It’s okay… I’m here for you.

    Coincidentally… the study done by the FTC had a sample size 2.5 times that of the PTV sample, covered 8 retailers, and involved more media than just video games. In summation, their study has more statistical strength to back up their results, and should therefor, be seen as valid.

  51. 0
    Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    That study was made by the Parents Television Council, which I doubt holds more clout than the Federal Trade Commission.

    Plus, the article was posted back in July: things can change pretty quickly in four months. I know you went from disrespectful lawyer to Internet troll in 30 days.

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  52. 0
    E. Zachary Knight says:

    Glad to know you would rather trust a biased organisation with an agenda to grind over the Federal Government’s appointed organization that oversees trade standards.

    Just once again showing that you cherry pick the information that best suits your agenda.

    I also must say this. You bring your PTC study before Congress. I will bring the FTC study. Let’s see which one they back.

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  53. 0
    Conejo says:

    a pity you never practised what you preach, you fucking hack.  i’ve never seen so many grammatical and spelling errors in documents until you came along.

    Here are we — and yonder yawns the universe.

  54. 0
    Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    John Bruce Thompson: devolving as we speak.

    Coincidentally, did you remember anything in law school?….You did?…Then why were you disbarred? ZING!

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  55. 0
    Zevorick says:

    awwww. Did someone wake up on the cranky side of the bed this morning? Well don’t worry about that. I’ll make you a nice big bowl of oatmeal, warm you up a nice glass of milk, and give you a hug. That will chipper up your day :)

  56. 0
    michelleobamarama says:

    Dennis, try at least to be grammatical in your headlines, even if they are lies.  "Give" should be "Gives."  Didn’t you learn anything in journalism school?  Oh, I forgot.  You never went.  Jack Thompson

    AE: You’re no paragon of flawless grammar and spelling yourself.  Check out the very first paragraph of your recent Human Events article.

  57. 0
    Keddren says:

    So you claim the FTC did a study that finds that game retailers don’t have a 80% complaince rate.  Then, when that report (which DOES, in fact, state that retailers do have an 80% compliance rating) is pulled out and shown to you, you pull out the fucking PTC?

    Jesus, John, I always knew you were stupid, but that’s pretty amazing idiocy there.

  58. 0
    Paul T. Farinelli says:

    @Monolith:

    I take it you’ve never encountered Jack on the internet before? If not, here’s the skinny: He puts on what passes for a mediocre act as a half-decent guy when the camera’s on Fox News, CNN, etc are rolling, but when he thinks he can get away with it, he becomes the nastiest, most offensive internet troll you could ever encounter. And that’s saying something.

  59. 0
    JustChris says:

    I think it’s the act of unwanted infidelity and babies if we were to find a logical reason for discouraging sex to a family audience. It’s the "hits closer to home" factor. As real as violence is, it’s not a everyday or every-week occurrence. But sex- that happens at least once daily in your neighborhood (provided your neighbors are not all sexually inactive seniors). However, to figure out what made us prudes in the first place we have to dig into older cultures.

    Exploring the towns of Assassin’s Creed is indeed a nice experience. It’s refreshing to see a medieval setting in a game that does not look at all fantastical and is closer to true history.

  60. 0
    GTCv Deimos says:

    Well what you’re talking about isn’t so much ratings, but just the problem with american society… cuz dude… we be prude…

    How sex is worst than violence… I’ll just never understand. the UK must have a lot of fun at our expense.

  61. 0
    Bennett Beeny says:

    Exactly.  How do we know that parents are just being negligent?  Personally I think the ratings are garbage and they rate violence much lower than absolutely harmless nudity – THAT is why I disregard them, and I control what my daughter plays with BY PLAYING THE GAMES WITH HER – which is what I advise all parents who are truly concerned to do.

    Other parents may just not care – they may see game ratings as a needless piece of do-goodism about an issue that has never been shown to be a real problem.  I can understand that view too.  Some parents probably have more pressing concerns than whether their son is playing an M-rated game, and who can blame them?… well, who apart from JT and his ilk?

    Also, the ratings are nonsense because if parents use the same method as I use, even M rated games can be suitable for young kids.  For example, my 4 year old daughter played Assassin’s Creed.  Oh the horror!, I hear you thinking.  But all she did was peacefully walk the streets of Jerusalem – she got a lot of fun out of that.  Now if I mindlessly obeyed the ESRB’s advice, my daughter wouldn’t have been able to have that interactive 12th century experience.  In a world where kids games are very much less engaging than mature rated games, I think that denying her that would have been wrong.

  62. 0
    DeepThorn says:

    Exactly, ESRB is just a basic guide of rating for anyone to use to get a basic idea of game content, very basic.  Everyone is fine with parents that actually parent, it is just the ones that come on here and bitch about little billy getting addicting to his vidja games, and how it is all the vidja game’s fault.  Those are the people that need the finger wagged at them, not the parents that made logical judgments based off of good parenting techniques.

    The bad parents are making the game community look bad, just like they made the music community look bad before, then the movie community before that, and so on.  These damn lechers, where is my next scapegoatists, to look for excuses until the large mass of the population realize that the technology is not what is putting the kids at risk, it is all the same damn shit that has put them at risk for years, their psychological mind set.


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  63. 0
    nightwng2000 says:

    And it can’t possibly be insulting.

    SHE has a job!  Ahem.  You make the connection.

    Ding Dong.  Jack Thompson and Avon calling.

    Hmmm… that’s a little redundant, ain’t it?  Might as well have the door bell say "Jack Thompson".

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

  64. 0
    Ryno says:

    Seeing as how I’ve purchased several games on the Internet, and I’m 34, doesn’t that automatically mean you’re once again wrong.

    I mean this is pretty simple, and quite a major fail for you, Jack. I know you like to pull numbers out of your ass, but now you’re not even trying.

  65. 0
    Ambiguous says:

    That, and you must be 18 to own a credit card/debit card with which to make online purchases.  Not sure about this myself, but being a secondary card holder with a parent the minimum age is 16, so that might count.  Of course, that would mean sharing the same account so the parent would still know what the kid buys, and could attempt to get a refund on any unwanted products, then subsequently take the kids card away.  They could always just take their parents card too, but its still their fault for letting the kid know all the information necessary to make said purchases.  A lot of cards require passwords in addition to personal/card information to buy online anymore.

    Let’s assume they lie to get a credit card/debit card.  Not likely to happen, because you’re required to provide a SSN, as well as name, address, and phone number.  Which means they know who you are and how old you are.  But lets assume they fell through some crack.  Still not a problem with the industry, as they don’t issue the cards.  Plus its fraud, and hardly represents the whole of internet sales. 

    In other words, its not the industries fault, and it all comes back to the parents.  Parents were careless enough to leave a credit card/debit card lying around for someone to nab, they just didn’t care enough what their kids were buying, or were actually dumb enough to let your average immature teen use their credit card.

     

  66. 0
    Mnementh2230 says:

     Jack, you goddamn moron – use of a credit card implies parental consent, and the government BACKS THIS UP.  I can find the relevant passage on their website if you want.

     

    You FAIL.  Grow up and get a life.

     

  67. 0
    jkdjr25 says:

    See he can’t do that because Jack has what I like to call "Ryoga Logic Syndrome" (named for the Ranma 1/2 character0. Symtoms of this are taking a conclusion and believing the conclusion to be true no matter how many facts there are to the contrary.

  68. 0
    MaJeStIc_12_x says:

    Not this garbage again. It’s like an endless loop of garbage.

    Jack, just how you do suppose internet retailers prevent kids from "buying" games on the internet?

  69. 0
    Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    Ohhhhh…..Ahh, my headache’s dissipating, thanks to that good ole brand of Logic. Thanks, EZK!

    Logic: it does a mind good.

    On another note: Man! He’s tried to insult your religion (even though he insults his own everytime he says "God is on my side") and he’s trying to insult your wife and her occupation (even though her’s probably nets a nice fat wad o’ cash [don’t know how much the pay is] and he’s lost his own and has resorted to reporting at a conservative Internet rag).

    John, I know this may be tough for you, but…you’re in your late fifties: it’s time to grow up and act your age.

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

    P.S. EZK, I forgot the comment policy and am too lazy to look it up. :) Could you please remind us all what it takes to have your account deleted?

  70. 0
    E. Zachary Knight says:

    Yes he does. He thinks that all games sites should have to have drivers license numbers inputted and have those cross referenced with a nonexistant government database to prove legal age. The only problem is if a kid swipes Mom’s credit card to buy a game online, what would stop him from swiping her ID along with it?

    E. Zachary Knight
    Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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    E. Zachary Knight
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    Oklahoma Game Development
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    Random Tower
    My Patreon

  71. 0
    DeepThorn says:

    Jack, any child can steal their parent’s credit card and buy this stuff online.  How are we going to protect against kids doing that?  I can go to a site and act like I am 87 years old if I want to.  It is the internet, even your lies can be spread on here.

    We are talking actually physical retailers, not online electronic ones.  When everyone in the world gets a finger print ID at birth, then we can talk about providing those measures, but then thing about how the CIA and FBI will be tracking you for every single move you make.  Name any industry that has anything other than a 100% failure rate for online sales of this stuff.  I know a 12 year old boy who stole his dad’s credit card and signed up to a bunch of porn sites, and the porn industry is the most cutting edge on most technology.


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  72. 0
    E. Zachary Knight says:

    Well, John Bruce. When internet sales make up more than 5% of total game sales, then that 100% failure rate will make a significant impact on overall compliance. Until then, it will remain insignificant.

    E. Zachary Knight
    Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
    MySpace Page: http://www.myspace.com/okceca
    Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1325674091


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    Divine Knight Gaming
    Oklahoma Game Development
    Rusty Outlook
    Random Tower
    My Patreon

  73. 0
    Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    I know you can’t figure that out, Zach, because it is not found in a Mary Kay Cosmetics sales brochure.

    Whah-huh?! What the hell did you mean by that?! Did you mean to call him a cross-dresser or a transvestite?!

    God, that sucked! Why?! Why, I don’t….Ugh, headache… *rubs temples*

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  74. 0
    michelleobamarama says:

    It’s not 80%.  It does not include Internet sales.  There is a 100% failure rate on the Internet as to enforcing age limits.  I know you can’t figure that out, Zach, because it is not found in a Mary Kay Cosmetics sales brochure.  Jack Thompson

  75. 0
    DeepThorn says:

    The game retailers are only beating the movie theaters by 15%, that just isnt good enough.  Granted, it is our first year better than the movie theaters, but we beat the other catagories over the past 5 years, other than the tie with the PAL CDs in 2000.

    Jack, even you have to admit the hard facts that things have improved.


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  76. 0
    nekusagi says:

    "…even a gamer should understand it?"

    I won’t even start on how idiotic and condescending that is. Oh wait, that second adjective’s too big for a disbarred attorney to understand.

  77. 0
    CarsAreScary says:

    I’m 25 years old, 6’3, tend to have stubble and I still got carded when I bought my copy of Dead Rising a few months ago from Best Buy. Hell, my dad was even right next to me because he wanted to check out what "gadgets" (cell phones, ipods, etc) they had since his last visit. I even asked "Oh, is this because it’s rated M?" and she replied with a yes, stating they had to card everyone.
     

  78. 0
    Adamas Draconis says:

    Damn man. I’m surprised your manager didn’t have that lady arrested for assault for that. Or you didn’t sue her!

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  79. 0
    Erik says:

    No system is going to have 100% John.  Even alcohol is ocassionally sold to a minor.  But, as the FTC has proven again and again, the weak link is not the game industry, but rather the movie industry.  It is much easier for a child to obtain an R rated movie than an M rated game.  So would it not be prudent to go after the weakest link?  Oh thats right!  The movie industry would rape your asshole if you tried with them what you have done with the game industry.  I forgot about the you being a coward thing.

    -Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person’s fear of their own freedom-

  80. 0
    Father Time says:

    Even though I know this is anecdotal evidence and certainly doesn’t prove a trend, I’d like to hear more.

    *Inserts Coin*

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    "What for you bury me in the cold cold ground?" – Tasmanian devil

  81. 0
    Bennett Beeny says:

    Wrong Jack (as usual).  Retailers sell games.  It is not their business to police what my daughter buys, nor should it be.  That is my job.  Anyone who tries to take that job away from me is not helping me.  On the contrary – they are enabling me to be a lazy parent.

  82. 0
    Hevach says:

    If the parental controls are turned on, even if the kid does manage to buy an M rated game (I have to say, I get carded at the game store more than I do at the liquor store), he’ll get home only to be shit out of luck.

  83. 0
    DeepThorn says:

    Very nice piece.  I had a group of 14 year old girls try to rent a R rated movie where I worked at, not a major chain, and they tried to pull the, my parent is in the car trick.  I said, "Well, I need them to come in here because my boss is very strict about the parent telling me directly face to face that it is okay.  I can not even be told over the phone that it is okay, I literally need them to come in.  I am not 100% for the rule, but I can get fired over it.  That and we have parents with their kids rent a game or movie with them, then yell at me for allowing their kid to rent it when the adult was there with them."  Needless to say, they just left, and it looked like it was just a friend in the car, not an adult, but who knows, maybe the mom was a short milf. (I was 17, so it would not have been illegal at the time.)

    I only had one parent complain about letting me rent their child a M rated game.  I was like, "That was the last time I worked, and I even said you know this is rated M right?  Then you said that it was okay."  Then the lady continued telling my boss how I didn’t do my job.

    Other than that, just had one kid that was like 8 trying to rent a game rated T.  He rode his bike over, and I told him I would hold it for him if he got an adult to come in with him.

    That was in only 3 months of working there too.  I can’t imagine if I worked there a year or more.


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  84. 0
    gamegod25 says:

    Wrong again, dummy. Being able to purchase the game is irrelevant if parents actually take some responsibility and pay attention to what their kids are doing. That’s so simple even a nematode should understand it.

  85. 0
    nighstalker160 says:

    And what about the parent who doesn’t check what their kid brings home?

    Doesn’t check the kids collection?

    Even if the kid does get his/her hands on GTAIV…parents have the responsibility to find out about it and take it away.

    It’s called parenting Jack.

  86. 0
    sheppy says:

    Well I’ve worked retail for four years during the industries worst years.  Around the time of GTA:VC.  And from my experience, I have the following information.

    1.  Rarely does a parent give a shit about what rating the game has.  You can warn, plead, point to content descriptors, even use personal experience on a game as to why an eight year old shouldn’t play Manhunt (the original), but in the end you’re a register biscuit and how dare you try to teach them how to raise their child.  Of course three days later when they attempt to return said software, they won’t recall all the warnings you gave and as they run to the News-Gazette to blow the whole ordeal open, the story ALWAYS changes dramatically to the point where the child was unattended and encouraged to buy the game.  In other words, the tools have always been there for parents and a good salesperson has always been there to help parents in these decisions.  Bad salespersons, however….

    2.  In my four years selling games I never once say a child come in with the cash to buy a full priced game.  The parents are usually with them.  And on the three occassions where this was NOT the case, the childs parent came in from "waiting in the car" to lecture me about denying the sale of an M-Rated game to their kid like I was trying to be their parent or something.

    3.  9 times of 10, the most violent people are the ones who object to it.  Take, as an example, my left eye.  I have a scar below it, mostly visible in the cold Illinois nights.  This scar was the result of having a cartridge thrown at my face by a woman who objected to the violence found in Conkers Bad Fur Day on N64 and was furious we denied her return.

    4.  The parents who DO pay attention to what their children consumes are NOT the parents who are complaining that they are ill equipped to control their childrens media intake.  As an example, anytime I discussed content with parents, they were thankful of the descriptors and never once expressed a feeling of lacking control.  It’s only the parents quick to give in to "gimme" demands that you here comments like "well you just don’t know what’s in these games nowadays."

    Wall of Text Simulation- Insert coin to continue.

  87. 0
    Andrew Eisen says:

    Preventing the sales of M-rated games to minors is not the purpose of the ratings system so it can not be used to judge the system’s success or failure.

     

    Andrew Eisen

  88. 0
    Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    Then explain where a damn 8 years old kid can get 80 bucks from his parents so easily to buy a Call of Duty, you dumbass… if you are a parent, and don´t watch what is you damn kid buying in a WallMart, you really need a new brain if you are going to blame anybody but yourself.

    Keep living in your fantasy world and don´t come back.

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  89. 0
    hellfire7885 says:

    Thompson, I am 23 years old and I STILL get carded whenever I go to buy an M rated game.

    And attacking the game industry will not fix that problem, that is a problem at the retail level and is in no way whatsoever the fault of the industry.

    If a child buys GTA4 wiht no parent in sight, which in my experience almost never happens, it is NOT Take Two or Rockstar’s fault this happened, iti s the faulto f the retailer for not upholding store policy, and still the parent’s fault for giving the kid the moeny in the first place.

    Besides, how woudl the kid have gotten to the store in the first place?


  90. 0
    Father Time says:

    I thought you were reffering to a handgun. Jack would get excited because it would make him a martyr.

    —————————————————-

    "What for you bury me in the cold cold ground?" – Tasmanian devil

  91. 0
    Kincyr says:

    Because the frontal lobes are responsible for human behaviour and emotional development, trauma to the front of the cerebral cortex impairs, among others, rationality, social behaviour, attention span, sexual behaviour, and facial expression. Fits Jacky-boy to a ‘T’

    岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

  92. 0
    jkdjr25 says:

    You seem to have a rather disturbing fixation with lobes. Perhaps you should seek therapy for this obsession, it can’t be a healthy thing to be so fixated on.

  93. 0
    DeepThorn says:

    I am sure he is getting paid more, I am only working 2 days a week for my main job, but I am smart enough to know how to manage my finances to make it work out while I am starting up my business.  My freelancing pays a hell of a lot more though when I pick up work for when I decide I want to go on vacation and such.

    Life just isn’t about money, it is about enjoying life.  I enjoy working on my company stuff.  I have the concept stuff done for the PeTA games though.  I will be working on them tonight and tomorrow.


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  94. 0
    Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    …….So…in the beginning of your post…you said you thought that his gift were frontal lobes…that were in his pocket…and rock-hard……

    Niiiiiiice comeback……dumbass.

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  95. 0
    michelleobamarama says:

    I thought you were referring to your frontal lobes, but then I realized you’re a gamer and thus you have none.  Sorry.  My bad.  Jack Thompson

  96. 0
    NovaBlack says:

    you mean the last line where Dennis specifically points out that the credibility should be questioned due the acceptance of funding?

    The one that Jack says dennis is asleep for not talking about?

    The one that Jack cant read?

     

    Oh… THAT line.

  97. 0
    Attack_Gypsy says:

    Yeah, THAT line. The one Jack either ignored, didn’t see, or deliberately lied about.

     

    I think the lie is closer to what he did.

     

     

    The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. ~ Benjamin Franklin

  98. 0
    Attack_Gypsy says:

    Jack, you’re the one who’s asleep today. Read the last line of the article again.

     

    The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. ~ Benjamin Franklin

  99. 0
    Erik says:

    Walsh has multitudes more credibility than a disbarred lawyer who peddles gay porn and trolls a gaming blog.

    -Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person’s fear of their own freedom-

  100. 0
    NovaBlack says:

    interesting jack , because if i remember correctly you were at the front of rthe queue when they gave a BAD report card a few years back.

    Strange how you change opinions at the flip of a switch to whatever best suits you.

    Kinda like how a few weeks back your user name was backing MCain, and now it backs obama.

     

    So those observations, coupled with the fact that you are a disbarred attorney, proven in court to be a liar, means that YOU have no credibility.

  101. 0
    Andrew Eisen says:

    Walsh and the NIMF have already denied receiving funding from Best Buy and the only proof you’ve ever offered is your word which, needless to say, isn’t good enough.

     

    Andrew Eisen

  102. 0
    Adamas Draconis says:

    Hold it! You are comparing Halpin to a sadistic cult leader who had his followers butcher a pregnant woman? And YOU think WE are sick you ignorant muck sucking bastard?!

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  103. 0
    Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    Holy shit, doctors! Mr. Thompson’s devolution is progressing more rapidly than we anticipated! Something must be done!

    …..Wait..what?……Nothing can be done? That’s impo–….Yeah…yeah, I guess…….Damn. Oh, well!

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  104. 0
    E. Zachary Knight says:

    I am not sure just where NIMF gets their funding. I would have to look that up. I only know of the $50k given to them from the ESA. But I do believe most of their funding comes from private donations.

    E. Zachary Knight
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  105. 0
    michelleobamarama says:

    ECA has a reputation?  Yes, they do, right down there with Charles Manson.  In fact, Hal Halpin looks like he was separated at birth from Manson.  The only difference is that Manson did not lobby on behalf of the sale of porn to kids.  I apologize, then, to Mr. Manson for the comparison.  Jack Thompson

  106. 0
    Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    Really? So, how many facts have you fabricated? And don’t say "none", cuz we’d know you’d be lyin’.

    We followed the money: yours. As it flew out of your wallet and into the hands of the deserving. Sucks, doesn’t it?

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  107. 0
    hellfire7885 says:

    Aww, what’s wrong Thompson, still sore Walsh isn’t returnign your calls?

    Or can you just not bear the fact that the industry isn’t compltely at fault?


  108. 0
    Moriarty70 says:

    *old man voice* Back in my day, if you didn’t hand in an assignment it was a fail, not an incomplete. And parents gave a damn about what their kids were looking at. Where’s my pants?

  109. 0
    Father Time says:

    Hopefully the PTC reads that guide soon, and all those other censorship guys.

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  110. 0
    NovaBlack says:

    lol pff.. you mean JT was.. wrong… again?

    Im sorry but i cant buy it, a human being would implode the fabric of time and space if they were wrong that much. The universe wouldnt allow him to exist.  

  111. 0
    hellfire7885 says:

    See, this is why we can’t have a diologue with you despite trying.

    No matter how calm we are with you and no matter how many facts we present, despite us having documentation and citing our sources, which yo unever have no ever do, you ismply go "no, NO NO NO, I’m right, you’re wrong idiot" which is extremely childish.

    Anyone on a middle school debate team woudl know that’s an easy way to lose.


  112. 0
    michelleobamarama says:

    No, the Federal Trade Commission has done the research.  I’m not surprised you don’t know that, as you are an idiot gamer.  Sorry to be redundant.  Jack Thompson

  113. 0
    Zevorick says:

    Actually, the sample size would be every store his son went into, but that’s splitting hairs

    The effect size of any research involving one variable with under 100 subjects (at the bare minimum) would be so abysmal that it wouldnt even be worth doing in the first place, but he’s(was) a lawyer. Do you honestly expect him to know anything about psychological statistics?

    If you want to be mad at anything, be mad at the brazen and unethical way he used his son in the experiment. There is a reason why research must pass through internal review before being done. It’s to protect the participants. Using your own son in a study would NEVER pass internal review, or at the very least one with a lick of sense. It puts undue pressure on the child and makes the confederate (this case the child) have a personal interest in the results… which completely skews the experimental results.

  114. 0
    Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    Hypocrite? Really? How?

    And you two used to be such good friends….until he realized how awful of a person you are. Then he kicked your ass to the curb. Tsk, tsk, tough luck.

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  115. 0
    michelleobamarama says:

    Dave Walsh has NO credibility.  Thus, his report is a joke.  Dennis McCauley, if he were a REAL journalis, would call up Walsh and ask him about his organization’s Best Buy-related funding.  Dennis, you awake today?  Jack Thompson

  116. 0
    NovaBlack says:

    Finally, NIMF’s regrettable decision to accept game industry funding clouds their grading effort

     

    totally agree with you on this GP. Its a total shame.

    But at least the report echos what we have been saying for ages! Itd just be nice if it had more integrity behind it, and had come to that conclusion (which i firmly believe it still would have) without donations.

  117. 0
    michelleobamarama says:

    Wrong again, kiddie.  The retail rating system doesn’t work when retailers sell games to kids under 17 with no parents in sight.  This is so simple that even a gamer should understand it.  Jack Thompson

  118. 0
    hellfire7885 says:

    I believe people will agree when I say….

    No shit sherlock.

     

    The system only doesn’t work when parents don’t pay attention ot it.

    And that is NOT the industry’s fault.


  119. 0
    DeepThorn says:

    So who the hell has the fluff job to do this every year?  I am guessing it pays at least $50,000 a year for the people who work on this.  Damn…  how amazing it would be to be friends with a politician…  or to be the president and cut funding to this bullshit and many other things, and maybe actually start paying off our debts.  Tell everyone they will have to suck it hard with taxes for 4 years, but the 4 years after that they will see the glory of their last 4, with tax cuts, more advance space, medical, and other tech programs, and so on, and the debt paid off pretty good.

    I want to know if I pay my part of the national debt ($25,000 per American), if I can just not pay taxes for the rest of my life.  I say screw the illegal immigrant thing, just make sure they register as citizens so they have to deal with paying taxes every year like the majority of us.  That would prolly increase the official US population enough to take some of that money down per person even…

    I would really love to be the financial advisor of this government to watch where all the money goes…  Oh wait, something does show us what our government is doing with our money…  (http://www.wallstats.com/deathandtaxes/)

    Back to topic though. I love how the government puts things in place to correct a self correcting system.  The consumers were demanding everything they say before they say it, and the industry complies, then other government officials demand the same stuff after they comply, then say look what I did!  This group is needless, and the ECA could use that funding for more suitable purposes than what they do.

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  120. 0
    GTCv Deimos says:

     

    Well maybe… I’m thinking more along the line that the NIMF doesn’t have the right to judge parents, and how they handle parenting… granted, there will always be negligent parents. Then again, there will always be parents who pay attention to what their kids can handle, and realize that in the grand scheme of things, the ESRB system isn’t a set of concrete rules, but rather a basic guideline. Cuz… yes… some parents let their kids play M rated games… and it’s not the end of the world.
     
     I’m sick of everyone wagging their fingers at parents. Let the parents be the judge on how to do things, and not society.
  121. 0
    Arell says:

    It’s nice to get good grades.  It’s just sad they don’t really mean anything in the grand scheme of things.  At least it’s not more fodder for the anti-gaming-industry pundits like it used to be.

    It’s also nice to see it acknowledged that the parents are where the system breaks down.

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