Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB Bandwagon

November 28, 2008 -

When gamers last heard from Bill McCollum, the Florida Attorney General was fretting that the motion-controlled Wii version of Manhunt 2 would have a generation of kids practicing to be killers. As GamePolitics reported in June of 2007, McCollum apparently got that idea from Jack Thompson.

These days, McCollum is, like many political colleagues in other states, urging parents to follow ESRB content ratings while shopping for holiday gifts. A press release on his official website quotes the Republican A.G.:

Though the holiday season is one of the busiest times of year, it is also perhaps the most important time of the year for consumers to make sure they know what they're buying for their loved ones. The ESRB rating system provides parents and others with age and content information which can be informative tools when purchasing games for family and friends.

McCollum's press release also quotes ESRB head Patricia Vance as well as ESA CEO Michael Gallagher.

But not Jack Thompson.


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Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

Jacko continues his campain of lies.  If Jacko is only concerned with people under the age of 18 playing mature-rated games why was he so adamant that the killer at Northern Illinois played Counter-Strike even though he was over 18 when the game first came out?  Either Jacko is liar or the killer at Northern Illinois had a time machine...

 

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Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

AE:  Interesting but off topic.  Deleted.

Oh, and Dennis, take this post down and I will own everything you have as well.  Thanks.

Update: I went ahead and put Thompson's post in his thread on the forums.  It doesn't belong here but it is interesting and worth discussing.

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"In this country, all you have to show is that games were one factor, not the only factor."

Wrong, Jack-O. All your FAILED cases tell us otherwise. If that were the case, you'd be saying that video games are practically a form of torture, worse than beating or molesting your child, worse than any other factor one could think of. You know what that would become? A scapegoat. Crime would INCREASE, sir. People could do whatever they wanted and just mention video games for a get out of jail free card to just repeat the cycle again.

Do you want that to happen? I don't think so.

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

Hey John boy.  How many times have you been banned from here this week for breaking the rules?  Furthermore just what makes you think that Dennis banning your insipid nonsense on HIS site is some how illegal?  Of course if you knew anything about law you might still be, you know, a lawyer.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

Thompson is apparently referring to this case from Denver...

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

police officer trying to get another officer's son off the hook
another case of corrupt cops.
It's the cops' Blue Wall of Silence, their 'Omerta' if you will…

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

Well, it's obvious to me that Thompson's lying again, since there's no mention of video games at all in that article.

Plus, the fact that the cops already have their confessions make any attempt at a "video game defense" null and void.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

You are not entitled to posting rights on this site. Piss off.

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

your hypocrisy is showing again Jack, "You cannot serve two masters" It is clear that you worship money

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

 Hmmm, come to think of it, wasn't this sort of harassment part of the reason you were disbarred in the first place?

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

Jack's throwing that "I'll own everything you have" promise around like beads off a Mardi Gras float (Bear Dogg-X knows what I'm talking about, if no one else does). That shit's too funny! LOL!! 

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

Anyone who's been to a Mardi Gras parade knows. Besides beads, they also throw stuffed animals, drinking cups, candy, moon pies, NERF footballs, and even panties.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

 Nice baseless legal threat.  GamePolitics doesn't exist to be your propoganda machine, Jack.  Grow up and get a life.

 

EDIT:  I decided to expand upon this, because you don't seem to have any grasp on the law, Jack.  Jee, I wonder if that's why you're not allowed to practice anymore?

 

Gamepolitics is a privately owned website - that is, it is not beholden to you, and has no legal obligation to post content that you submit.  Given that you've evaded the site's BANs multiple times, perhaps this is something you should take into account.  You sue the site, and GP's countersuit for cyberstalking and criminal harassment will only further bleed your family dry.  Given that you're no longer a bread-winner for your family, perhaps this is something you ought to take seriously.

 

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

You know, I think that the more books like Grand Theft Childhood get made, the more and more we will see many politicians either take note, or still be so stubburn to the fact that they themselves never have understood a single thing about Videogames.

They get their science mixed up with their ideology that is basicly their individual opinion but it does not always reflect what is really going on in real life.

TBoneTony

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@Jack "Inmate No. 10946253" Thompson, who wrote:

"I have been asked to submit a video game bill to a western state in a few weeks."

I missed that part on my first read, Jack-O. And, having now caught it, I recall watching Schoolhouse Rock the other day and this little singing bill (cutest thing you ever saw) was standing on the steps of Capitol Hill and explaining how a bill could, if passed, eventually become a law. Lemme spell that for you:            L . . . A . . . W. Law. Given that you're prohibited from practicing law, do you think it wise that you be seen anywhere near a potential law? If I were you, I wouldn't even go out to eat at a Lawry's Steakhouse for fear of being charged with the unauthorized practice of law. And I damn sure wouldn't be caught dead drafting a law. But fret not. You've provided me endless entertainment and do I feel some sense of obligation to you for that. You therefore have my solemn promise: I'll make sure your inmate account never runs out of money. 'Cause I know that sooner or later -- most likely sooner -- you are getting charged with and convicted of UPL.

   

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

I bet any amount of money it's Utah

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)

Ok i've read the entire story and all of the posts even those from Jacky Boy and i'll get to those in a few minutes here..This might turn out to become a duffy rant but i'm not even sure yet..I've already pwned thompson more then enough times on here...but i dont mind doing it again i always get enjoyment out of it...so why not another one...

 

So Jack i see we are back at the "lets make a few hundred screen names and keep doing that because its so fun"

 

and as for your new screen name i think its quite funny that a idiot like you spouts on about all this violence and things and how all of us gamer's are Hypocrites..yet your the one who despite pulling this whole "i only want to keep them out of the hands of 17 years old"....Your the one who tried numerious times before to always get games you "dissaprove of" taken away and made so now one can play it all...

 

and we'll i'd actully rant more but my friend needs the computer and peronally your not worthy of my time..

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

one small problem with your statement, Smacktard Jack... EVERYTHING YOU SAY AND TYPE IS NOTHING BUT A MORONIC, SICKENING, REPEATEDLY PROVEN LIE. EVERYTHING.

YOU are one one trying to destroy the 1st Amendment, not people who play games.

YOU are the one ***, not people who play games.

YOU are the one trying to get ***, not people who play games.

YOU are the one using *** on grieving families who just lost a loved one, not people who play games.

YOU are the one actively taking pride in ***, not people who play games.

YOU are the one ***, not people who play games.

but no, your crippling retardation you try and pass off as "faith" prevents you from seeing that your utter inability to function like a normal human being is what permanently (forever, for life) cost you your career as a (mal)practicer of law. i would say something about lifetime disbarment being far too merciful for an *** like yourself, but that would go pretty far against the comments policy that you violate every single time you spam this site with your badly written junk mail.

AE: Let's pull back on the insults a bit.  I deleted most of your accusations too as they're unsupported.  If you can support them with relevant examples I will probably leave them up next time.

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

I'd give GONK the second point(encouraging school shootings) since Thompson does promote that he "predicted" Columbine and tries to blame the industry for every school shooting since 1997, although some of that is the mainstream media's fault for their around-the-clock coverage.

I'd also give him the third point(trying to get mass murderers and child abusers out of trouble while framing innocents for the same crimes) also. Since it was announced that he was being disbarred permanently, Thompson has actively tried to get a convicted rapist's sentence overturned to tie into his disbarrment and tried to get convicted cop killer Devin Moore out of his deserved death sentence while falsely accusing Take-Two and Rockstar. Also, the Cody Posey case where he tried to downplay the horrific abuse that Posey suffered at the hands of his evil father, stepmother, and stepsister and tried to falsely blame Rockstar and Take-Two.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

the Cody Posey case where he tried to downplay the horrific abuse that Posey suffered at the hands of his evil father, stepmother, and stepsister and tried to falsely blame Rockstar and Take-Two.

IIRC, Posey suffered no abuse from his stepsister, she was the innocent victim

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

My understanding was that she received money from his dad for tattling on him.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

2nd point - I would agree that Thompson uses such tragedies to his advantage but I wouldn't go so far as to say he actively encourages them.

3rd point - Can't comment on the rapist because I know nothing about it, however, as I recall, Thompson was not trying to get Moore out of trouble but was instead suing Take-Two, Rockstar, Sony, GameStop and Wal-Mart for creating/selling a game which influenced him to kill 3 people.

As for Posey, Thompson named him (and Rockstar, Take-Two, and Sony) in a wrongful death suit.

I agree that Thompson tries to shift blame, or at least spread it around to places it doesn't belong, but I'm not sold on the "trying to get killers out of trouble" angle.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

Well we're talking about the guy who would blame ... well something he referenced elsewhere on the site, on GTA4, despite the obvious flaws in the logic that GTA1 didn't even exist yet.

But that's pretty much what it looks like he's doing, at least imho.

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Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

Other than the fact that in this thread that he has stated that he is trying to get a criminal out of trouble?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

All he said was he was working to get someone a new trial and a lawyer.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

@AE: Just so the record's clear, the "and a lawyer" bit came only after he was called out by more than a few posters, myself included, for the obvious unlicensed practice of law and, then, only as part of a clean-up attempt so feeble and transparent he might as well have been wearing a clown suit, carrying a shovel, and following a circus elephant aroung the Big Top. What he initially said was: 

"I am working with a young man in prison to get a new trial because he copycatted a violent game."

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

I understand that.  I just don't see anything saying he's trying to get this "young man" out of trouble.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

It's a quibbly point but I'll debate anything (it's in the blood):

Not expressly does he say he's getting the young man out of trouble but that implication is, I'd argue, clear to see. The "copycatted a violent game" statement (did you know that "copycat" was a verb, cause I didn't?) is, as you know, Jack's way of absolving the young man of all blame for being convicted of whatever criminal offense he was convicted of and thereby ended up incarcerated. That's the "trouble" facing the young man. It also, by logical extension, makes the young man not only a criminal, but a convicted one at that. Jack also states that he's working to secure the young man/convicted criminal a new trial with the obvious implication that the hoped-for result is an acquital at this new trial. I'd argue that the inescapable conclusion by implication is that Jack's trying to get this criminal out of trouble. Ain't no other reasonable read. 

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

Possibly but based on Thompson's past, I doubt it.

I find it more likely he wants a retrial, not so that whoever-this-person-is can get off scott free, but so that he can drag the game industry into it.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

Andrew, I don't think Jack wants to free convicted killers just for the sake of it, either.  And yes, I agree that Jack has always and will always be about Jack.  But explain this to me: when Jack's vendetta against games dovetails nicely with acquitting a killer or rapist, he has no problem helping them get off.  Just because he only does it when he can further his video game agenda, how does that make it any less reprehensible?

"There is no sin except stupidity." - Oscar Wilde

"De minimus non curat lex"

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

It doesn't.

In the incredibly unlikely event that Thompson worked towards acquitting a killer or rapist in order to further his agenda - yes, that would indeed be reprehensible.

But I've seen nothing to indicate that he is or will be doing such a thing.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

What do you call contacting Cody Posey's criminal lawyer about trying to get him to use the video game defense?

"There is no sin except stupidity." - Oscar Wilde

"De minimus non curat lex"

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

An absurd and unsuccessful attempt to drag the industry into a case it had nothing to do with.  But, I do see your point.  Despite horrific abuse, Posey was a killer and Thompson did allegedly solicit defense strategies numerous times.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

Or his argument that convicted rapist, Richard Gorman, Jr., needs his legal services and therefore he shoudn't be disbarred?

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

A desperate and failed attempt to hang on to his legal career but I see where you're coming from with this example.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Help, help, I'm being compressed!!!

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

Touche, Sir. Ya got me. I'd completely forgotten that Jack ain't never really tried to further the interests of anyone but Jack. I concede. But I will point out that your death-blow wasn't fault-free. It'd have been more prefect if you'd said "but so he can drag a huge spotlight onto Jack Thompson."

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

@AE: When the Jack Thompson posts pop up, you just immediately reach for you blue-ink pen, don't you?

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

I'd say Thompson's posts (and posts directed at him) receive the majority of my attention as a moderator.  I'd say it breaks down something like this:

80% Thompson stuff (and not just stuff posted by the man himself)

10% Zapping spambots.

10% Keeping flame wars and personal attacks under control.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

Hal and D-Mc really need to give you and EZK some kinda "How could I have possibly known that Jack Thompson could be such a raging annoyance and busy-work creator when I signed up for the job?" reward/award.  

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

Apparantly Jack's a bigger coward than I remember, else if he were so confident he would be accepting my $50 bet right now.

 

He's also a bigger moron than I remember since he can't even follow the posting rules here, either that or, as per usual, he thinks rules don't apply to him, only everyone else.

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

Jack I feel so sorry for you.. I really.. do..

You need to take a step back and look back at the last few years.. you have effectively nuked yourself.. and it seems you are suffering from an OCD-esque problem.. now before you jump up and down I personally suffer from it so no running around like a child..

You quite clearly are obsessed with this board, with the fact you are seemingly always right and everyone else is wrong, obsessed about games for some bizarre reason.. have you even played gta4 may I ask?

Your paranoia has made you self destruct and while i'll admit at the time it was funny in the fallout you running around still thinking your right, still a lawyer and that games will destroy the world is.. sad..

Please get some help before it gets worse and you end up hurting yourself, or worse a nerd..

(because then people wont love you and see you as a monster even though as we all know ''nerds'' arent real people.. right? </sarcasm>)

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

@Jack "Careful What You Ask For" Thompson:

Thanks, Jack, for not changing even one crazy hair on your crazy head. Ever consider the possibility that, as you've requested, the Bar and Court will indeed reconcile the discreperancy but that they'll arrive at a new cost amount greater than the larger of the two discreperant amounts? If there's a God in Heaven, that's exactly what'll happen to you.

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

Nope,not a chance.  but thanks for asking. Do you have a question about whether sailing west from LA might prove the world is flat?

November 28, 2008 Ken Marvin Director of Lawyer Regulation 651 East Jefferson Street The Florida Bar Tallahassee, FL 32399 Via Fax to 850-561-5827 Re: Payment of Costs Dear Mr. Marvin: I am in receipt today of a November 25 letter from

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

If you're planning to sail west from LA to prove the world is flat, I hope you get caught in the Doldrums.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

As I recall, when asked if you thought you were gonna be disbarred, your response was, "Nope, not a chance."

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

You actually don't know if the world is flat or not?

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

Jack thinks the world is flat because his bible tells him so

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

Hey, Dennis, you going to leave this up, which corrects your grossly erroneous and fraudulent early reporting, or do I just add another count in the lawsuit against you and Hal Halpin? 

AE:  Completely off topic letter deleted.  Post it in this thread's comments section where it belongs.

November 28, 2008 Ken Marvin Director of Lawyer Regulation 651 East Jefferson Street The Florida Bar Tallahassee, FL 32399 Via Fax to 850-561-5827 Re: Payment of Costs Dear Mr. Marvin: I am in receipt today of a November 25 letter from

Re: Florida A.G. Once Fretted About Wiimote, Now on ESRB

No, he's going to take it down because it's against the comments policy THAT YOU STILL REFUSE TO READ.

"Solicitations, advertisements or postings of a commercial nature also are not permitted."

Clear enough for you? Oh, and for good measure:

"Views posted are those of the individual user and do not necessarily reflect the views of the ECA."

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