"Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in Games

December 2, 2008 -

The Timothy Plan, a Florida investment firm which bills itself as "conservative Christian," is warning holiday-shopping parents away from what it calls the 30 "most offensive" video games.

While the usual suspects (GTA IV, Saints Row 2, Blitz the League II) make the list, there are some surprises as well, including the T-rated Bully: Scholarship Edition and World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade.

In its game rankings, the organization displays an obvious anti-gay bias. While it evaluates titles for sex and nudity, a gay/lesbian rating is also included, meaning that a game with a gay sexual encounter might get a double whammy when compared to a game where the sex is of the straight variety. This effect, for instance, pushes Fable II onto the group's most offensive list. Along that line a report prepared by the Timothy Plan contains this rather bizarre comment:

Army of Two: Homosexual Encounters: ...Somewhat homo-erotic undertones between the two main characters are present.

WoW made it onto the dirty thirty, thanks to a high "addiction" rating as well as a high rating for alcohol use (curse you, Noggenfogger elixir!).

How the group determined the addiction rank is really quite unfathomable. WoW received a 3, for example, the worst possible rating, while Lord of the Rings Online got a 1 and Age of Conan a 2. In fact, all of the MMOs were tagged for addiction as well as some multiplayer games like Halo 3. A few games (The Darkness, Devil May Cry 4) were punished for "demonic" references.

Timothy Plan president Art Ally (left) comments:

Many, if not most, parents who buy their kids video games really don't know the extent of sex and violence imbedded in them. From drug use, prostitution, murder and mayhem to vulgar profanity and blasphemy these games have become a powerfully negative influence on our kids...

 

I believe, if parents would take a moment to look at the report we've created, their game selections would be quite different.

The group maintains a corporate "hall of shame" which includes game publishers EA, Take-Two and Microsoft. The Timothy Plan also offers to screen your portfolio to see if any of your mutual funds have investments in shameful companies.

So helpful!

Document Dump: Get the Timothy Plan's game score card here. The group's press release with holiday shopping warnings is here.

Comments

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Me, I like to think about how the Timothy Plan went about rating 142 games in 13 categories. Imagine the countless hours spent in front of game consoles -- maiming, murdering, cursing, smoking, stripping off their clothes, soliciting prostitutes, consuming vast quantities of drugs and alcohol, cross dressing, and matching voices to their transgender created players.

 

What wicked fun they must have had.

 

For more on this, see "these video games have been brought to you by satan": http://blogs.computerworld.com/best_worst_video_games

 

cheers,

dt

 

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

I love how "morally responsible" groups are always anything but.

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Another response to thinkwithyourheart (I'll get bored of this eventually)...

That does make it homophobic. People who believe that homosexuals are sinners and are going to hell are homophobes, and to put a "homosexual romance" tag on the back of games would be giving in to their views and I personally don't think they deserve to be taken seriously enough for that to happen. I think a "sexual content" tag works well enough, because after all, it doesn't make a bit of difference what gender the lovers are, stating otherwise would be conforming to the religious group's views, something the ESRB shouldn't have to do to please a few insane people. Asking the ESRB to raise maturity ratings or tag certain games because of homosexual romance is like tagging a game because there's mixed-race relationships in it, or for simply having black people in it. Homophobics are on the same level as racists, conforming to one is like conforming to the other. There's no lesser of two evils, they're both equally unfair and cruel. 

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Ok, lets face it.  Homosexuality is still an "issue."  Americans are 50/50 when considering gay marriage.  Just because 50% are on your choosen side, doesn't mean the other 50% need to conform.  Vise versa.  Seriously, if we were all alike on this planet, it would be one boring place.

Bashing Christians and comparing them to racists is way out of line.  If you read the threads on this page it is filled with hate on "your" side, not theirs.  In actuality, Christians who are not allowed to be Christians in other countries die for their faith, can you say you would die for your beliefs?  Girls are getting raped and then sentenced to death for adultry because they read the Bible.  I hear both sides and both have every right to believe what they want.  Christians believe they will go to heaven when they die, if they are wrong, then they just die like the rest.  If you believe you just die and are wrong, well eternity is a very long time to burn.  Lets just hope you are not wrong.

No one asked ESRB to publish that information, including me.  I am stating that it is not the end all - be all.  There is more to intelligence than bleeps of information.

I looked up some of the details the list included (had to remove the word "Timothy Plan" to get past all the new stuff).  They are not in the business of reviewing video games; they are offering their findings to the public, that is all.  Free speech.  And... the information they posted is all over the web if you guys would just read.  Maybe you don't notice some of the issues because you are immune - but some do notice.  And the list is not talking to you, it is talking to parents.  Are you worried your parents are going to find out what you have been playing?

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WTF did you read his comment? he said homophobes are on the same level as rascists not Christians

United we Stand, Divided we fall.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

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What, its a game not real life it should be put as the same on the label. but i disagree with the end of your text

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Hate to break it to this firm but....OLD. A lot of game journalists have had their share of making fun of the homo-overtones that supposedly cover Army of Two, back when it was not yet launched. You're a little late to the party.

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What exactly where these accusations based on? I've never played the game.

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It's funny how GTA has now become something far worse than anything that's actually in it.

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Gah, this message (the one you're reading, not the one above) was a reply to someone else but other comments somehow got above it (must be a delay in there somewhere) and now it looks completely random. Ignore.

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http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)

 

Its the red headed step child now in the video game area.politicians hate it cause they dont understand it,parents are against it cause of the cartoony violence...(yet i'm sure they would watch the coyote fall off a cliff a few hundred times during the old road runner cartoons) It gets blown up a lot more then it should and even gta 4 seemed a bit mild for me...

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The ESRB is completely accurate, there has yet to be a game I've played where the content description box has been wrong, and I play very mature games with a lot of adult themes in them. They've always been stated on the back of the box, where parents are too lazy to look. If you think they're doing a bad job you should play a game or two and then tell me if the content description is wrong, because it wont be.

The problem with these parents, and this isn't just restricted to video game issues, is that they're focusing so much on making rules and laws for their children to have to follow, and not even stopping for a second to tell them why the rules are there, or even to give them the sense to follow the rules. Rules, without a reason or will to follow them, are absolutely useless. If their kids are playing M games at their friend's houses when they're not supposed to be, then it's time to cut the parental commandment crap and start actually talking to your kid about it. And even if there's "bad" stuff in these games, what's the big deal? There's absolutely nothing wrong with doing drugs or killing people for fun in a video game as long as you know not to do it in real life. It's all for FUN, hence the adding of the word GAME at the end of VIDEO GAMES. I brutally murdered a man in a video game with a baseball bat the other day (The overseer, in Fallout 3, hope you guys did the same), and it has never seriously crossed my mind in any point in my life that I should do anything even resembling that in real life.

This list is a bad thing, because it's complete bullshit and it's exactly what parents look to when they're lost and don't know what to think about their kids' video games. It's misinforming parents who are too lazy to make their own decisions, which at this point and time in America is just about everyone.

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You have some serious problems.  Let me explain:  First, you are judging parents and determining that they do not explain why there are rules.  Second, you are telling people how to raise their kids.  Third, only you can know you and you are not everyone.  Finally, the list explains to parents the game play aspect of games and you are trying to censor/hide that from them? 

Not everyone feels it is ok to play with drugs, drink alcohol, gamble, have sex with multiple persons.  THEY ARE CHILDREN!!!!   If you love to drink - don't make me.  If you love watching people having sex - don't make me.  I am not you - only you are you.  Raise your kids the way you want and let others do the same.   This is America.

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In response to thinkwithyourheart...

I'm not forcing anyone to do anything, it's only a comment on a blog, it's not gonna get anything done. I'm not telling parents how to raise their kids, I'm telling them to start raising them in the first place and stop looking to other people for answers instead of using their own brains. Some people have problems with kids playing mature video games and that's completely within their rights, it's when they condemn the games as the spawn of satan and try to make laws so that nobody can play them that bugs me. I'm saying that not everybody has to like them but they're not harmful as long as you're kid has been raised in a way that he/she knows what's right and wrong.

The list doesn't do anything but preach homophobia and general stupidity. You don't need a biased and sometimes downright untruthful list to make decisions about what video games your child should play, the industry provides all the information they need and they're just too stupid to take advantage of it. No amount of demonizing the ESRB will change that. We're not trying to hide anything, most parents are just clueless on the subject because they think everything should be done for them and that if they have to do any real parenting then people are expecting too much of them.

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I am not demonizing the ESRB.  They are good, as a basic guide.  Like I said, one M Rating is not the same as another.  Details are also important to make informed decisions.  In a perfect world, parents would sit and play the games with their children.  When issues arise, make it a learning cue.

Having a column with themes containing Gay/Lesbian content does not make the list homophobic.  It is an issue that the ESRB does not put in their ratings and parents should have a right to decide if they want their child to participate.  Otherwise you are craming your views and values on them.

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http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)

 

actully i think it does make it homophobic..and even if that area gets put into the ratings area the parents still wont use it..that is the main problem here parents do not use the guidelines so no matter how many you put in its not gonna help none

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No.  It is not homophobic.  People believe in different things based on their moral code.  To some, homosexuality is a sin.  That does not mean they hate homosexuals.  It is the lifestyle they are not comfortable being a part of.  If that is the case, they will not want their little boys kissing other little boys.  To me it is a reasonable request.

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they will not want their little boys kissing other little boys.

Should Christian men kiss each other?
Answer: Yes. "Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss." (I Thessalonians 5:26)
Why do we not see men kissing in church, then? Because these fundies believe kissing is somehow always sexual.

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

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I wish people would stop putting bible quotes, most of them are either metaphors or really mistranslated. I really dont put my whole trust in the bible as its says very strange things.

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That doesn't mean the rest of the world has to conform to the moral code of a single religion. So no, Suggestive Themes and Sexual Content are enough to cover any romantic or sexual content parents may be uncomfortable with.

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quoted for truth

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

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http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)

 

actully that is homophobic..it is not a sin and there is nothing wrong with it..what people try to believe or enforce is that it shouoldnt be tolerated and that gay people have no rights...at least that is my view of things on this area..And as i said even if there is a descriptor for this no one will use it

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http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)

 

Bravo dude Well said..I coudlnt have said it any better myself

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And you have some reading comprehension problems. You are not being forced to do anything except read, and take an active role in the parenting of your children. If you can't take responsibility for the media your children consume, perhaps you're not ready to be a parent. Being a parent means making informed decisions that will keep your child safe, and sometimes that means doing a little extra research on your own.

"Not everyone feels it is ok to play with drugs, drink alcohol, gamble, have sex with multiple persons."

And that's exactly why the ESRB puts ratings and content descriptors RIGHT ON THE BOX of the game you're buying for your child. If you can't take the two seconds necessary to check the age rating on the video game little Timmy's begging you to buy for him, then your parenting skills are most definitely suspect.

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http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)

 

execuse me but thats what i am doing..i am just stating my opinion on this..I'm sorry but i dont want to raise anyone's child..i just believe that parents need to lay off this crap execuse they use...i look at it as a very simple way and thats either pay attention to what they want or dont buy it..if you think thats me telling you what to do then ur full of it...And who's trying to hide or censor anything...I just dont like the fact that i cant play the games i want to play like a unrated version of manhunt 2 all in the name of "protecting the children"

 

Honestly i respect your views and ask that you respect mine and if you cant do that then dont respond to my posts

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:)

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

I was responding to Anthrax's message.

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)

 

My Mistake...Still wasnt that a little harsh though

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

Tough love.  :) 

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http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)

 

of course their too lazy they dont want to bother with it because it would require to actully pay attention these days and *Gasp* we cant have that now..I read the site and all the games it reviewed a lot of them were pure bull..the fct that they tried to find a way to condemn crackdown and make it sound like it was like gta was just lies upon lies...

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I still don't understand how parents have trouble remembering the ratings, and frankly I think it's because they're not trying at all. They're expecting the government to step in and do the parenting for them. Three fucking letters, that's all it is (primarily). If they were really struggling with it they could just make a cheat sheet, copying down stuff from the ESRB website and keep it in their pocket every time they go to rent movies and games and stuff. They remember the movie rating system, why is the game rating system too hard for them to comprehend?

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Because ESRB is not accurate.  They don't completely play the games they review.  One M game is not equal to another.  Some T games should be M games.  Parents think M means blood and guts and not the other stuff that is in it.  Video games are not same as what they remember....  Mario Brothers, Frogger, Donkey Kong.  Not injecting drugs into their player's arm!

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You're right, sometimes it's misleading. For instance I know of at least one game that got bumped up to a T rating cause one character farts. Crude Humor coupled with Cartoon Violence was enough to shove it from a E10+ to a T rating.

And this was a game with Mario and other classic Nintendo characters in it. Which just goes to show how strict the ESRB ratings are.

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One M game is not equal to another.

that's why the back of the package has content descriptors explaining why the game is rated M. And while the ESRB isn't 100% accurate, that's because they err on the side of caution: some games get descriptors for content that isn't in the game. e.g. there might be a descriptor for partial nudity in a game that has just as much nudity as a TV show rated TV-PG

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

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http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)

 

because that is too hard to remember Besides movies are ok those are only for adults but these video games are to hard to figure out what it means...Grand theft auto??? oh is that like a racing game?

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Obviously you cannot read and claim things that are not true.  Just as you have a right to believe what you want, others have rights too.  They are not trying to take away your right, so back off.  Parents do not know what their kids are experiencing, if there is a way for them to find out - kudos!  Children are innocent and impressionable.  Are you saying we shouldn't care about kids?  Should trust them play safely with fire?  No.  Parents birthed their child, not you.  Let them raise their children they way they morally feel is right, not what "you" feel is right.  It is their soul they are worried about, not yours.

The Timothy Plan is not trying to shut down the games, just informing parents.  There was nothing judgmental mentioned on their website or the guide.  The only judging is coming from you all.

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To say a game is bad because the group personally thinks two characters have "gay undertones" is... what? Paranoid that's what. That would be like rating a Spongebob DVD "R" because of that group that claimed Spongebob is gay.

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http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)

 

Parents do not know what their kids are experiencing??? THen Maybe they outta get involved and hey i dont know Dont buy the kids the damn M rated games in the first place..And what is all this about the child's "Soul" and being "innocent" thats the problem with this issue is all of this crap about "protect the children" To hell with the children already..Its gone on long enough and not all children are innocent..I think the issue has been beaten to death enough and lets get over it already..Some parents should just grow a pair and stop buying the games for t heir kids or if they are going to buy games like Gears 2 and Gta 4 then shut your mouth afterwards cause i could care less about your complaining..

 

It seems quite simple to me..Just be a damn parent

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This is a way for them to get involved and be a parent.  Not everyone is technical, and it is not easy to know all the ins and out of video games.  Kids are not stupid and seem to weave around the whole M Rating.

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It's incredibly easy, parents just don't make an effort. All the ratings and descriptors are on the box of every video game plain as day. If parents are still having trouble comprehending its not to hard to use the Google and find about a million websites for parents, by parents to help them be aware of game content. That people will just sit there shrugging their shoulders while letting their kids get into something they're unsure of because they'd rather say "Well by golly I just don't understand this stuff" than even attempt to do a little research is no one's fault but their own.

I mean if your kid wanted to get into, say, kick-boxing, would you not research the sport and safety equipment a little?

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http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)

 

No parents are stupid for actully falling for what the kids say about the games..I believe that no parents want to say no to their kids now because this is the new scapegoat and parents dont take the blame for buying their kids m rated games..If they are really against it then you  know waht dont buy the games dont buy the system and if it comes to it tell the kids "you want those games you wait til u are 18 and out of my house" i'm not buying any of this "parents dont have a way to get involved" either find a way or tell the kid "no i am not buying it"

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  Yup, that is one option, but simply looking at a box and saying "There's an M that means no!" is not involved parenting, it's a fucking cop out.

  If you really want to be involved you should know your kid , what they can and cannot handle and be able to make judgement weather or not the kid (all the way up to age 18) is capable of handling the game.

  If a list says game "X" has titties, but game "Y" only shows some butt, that might be useful to somebody.  Game "X" has decapitation but game "Y" has mild violence, that could be useful.  It's a way for an involved but non-game parent to make some choices.  Personally game "X" is looking pretty cool.

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So game X is Ninja Gaiden II, best game ever

EDIT: but not for those reasons

United we Stand, Divided we fall.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Epic legendary fail

Here's what I see after reading this article, and checking the website.

Stupidity, no actual facts, a scam for money (the donations), a religous nut, and someone who is probababbly a closed closet. Just like Jack Thompson. 

I can understand that people are trying to make an effort to get parents to be more aware about video games kids play, but going this far and saying utter crap such as seen on the website, I draw the line.

 In short: a epic legendary fail.

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This is about as much horseshit I can handle in one day...fucking conservatives and their intolerant views. Hope I never meet one of these people, because I will fuck them up BAD.

"If child molestation is actually your concern, how come we don't see Bradley tanks knocking down Catholic churches?" - Bill Hicks / "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - Denis Diderot

"If child molestation is actually your concern, how come we don't see Bradley tanks knocking down Catholic churches?" - Bill Hicks / "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - Denis Diderot

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Ah fuck.  All of you tolerance hypocrites irritate the shit out of me.

  The motto of a person who is true to the concept of tolerance should simply be "Believe what you will" and the last thing we should ever hear is a word of complaint from your mouths, but instead your motto could be described as "If you say someone is wrong then you are wrong". 

  You tolerance thumpers don't really mean it, you just use it as a mask for your own intolerance.  I don't care what you think about other people, but I love to point out when you do the same shit you accuse of others like hmmm I don't know threaten to beat up people with whom you disagree, so very tolerant of you. 

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Typically we say stuff like this because the people we're talking about are douches, doesn't make it right but they drive us nuts because they advocate gays continuing to be second class citizens, they are also the type that cheered when Palin made that "real America" comment.  They hold us back as a nation and while we would never really have their free speech taken away, we want to keep them from oppressing people.

Point is that even the best of us get angry and lose our heads; see my earlier post. 

United we Stand, Divided we fall.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

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  You see, I don't care if you're not tolerant of something or not.  

  I don't care if you say "This is right" "That is wrong" until your blue in the face.  But the moment you do that then step up on the "tolerant" moral high ground, that's when I have to call bullshit and rub your face in it.

  So saying someone is a douche, or they made you angry/hurt your feelings doesn't mean that you are any less of a hypocrite if you start waving the tolerance banner while bitching about someone elses beliefs.  I have more respect for people who don't hide behind that bullshit.  Now I haven't really followed your posts so I don't know if anything I've said applies to you.

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Dude, did you even read the post you responded to past "douche"

I said that they are douches for treated gays like second class citizens how they treat me has nothing to do with it, they haven't hurt my feelings, just my faith in humanity.  Homophobes like them took away homosexuals right to marry with proposition H8.  Gays need and deserve the finantial benefites that straites have for marrying espesially now in this finantial crisis.

Please try to understand, it is our sense of justice that all or most people have that leads us to bitch about someone elses beliefs.  And while it is somewhat assholish of us to say that these people shouldn't be allowed to have their opinions, keep in mind that it is the same opinion that lead to Poposition H8 being passed and the death of Mathew Shepard, and we tend to think of those events when we see or hear about homophobic practices or beliefs

Just know this I and many if not all on this forum ranting about homophobia would never in a million years have the first amendment rights of these people taken away; I would die before allowing anyone to take away the first amendment rights of anyone else.  We only want them to stop oppessing others, that's it, they can say whatever they want.  As a secular humanist I cannot stand people that would take away the rights of others but I would never take away their rights

I disapprove of what they say, but I will defend to the death their right to say it.

 Repeal Proposition H8

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

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It's an empty threat, come on man you should've realized that.

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prh99The unflattering characterization "They don’t know how to dress or behave." & "‘Games culture’ is a petri dish of people who know so little about how human social interaction..." probably didn't help.10/02/2014 - 1:52am
prh99Probably not many as it was purely a vindictive move. The headline alone was plenty of ammo, but for those that did read and complain..10/02/2014 - 1:42am
Andrew EisenI wonder how many of those who complain about that article actually read past the headline.10/02/2014 - 1:37am
prh99http://intel.ly/1tjh1AH http://bit.ly/1rGPHOY http://intel.ly/Zu6go9 it isn't surprising "Gamers are over" didn't go over very well.10/02/2014 - 1:34am
Papa MidnightCan you parlay that to #WriteAGawkerArticle? The cesspool of horrid crap over there extends far beyond Kotaku.10/02/2014 - 12:34am
Andrew EisenWow! Intel dropped Gamasutra due to GameJournoPros? Over Matt Matthews? The only Gamasutra guy in the group? Who hasn't written a single thing about #GamerGate at the site? Where did you read that?10/02/2014 - 12:32am
Neo_DrKefka#WriteAKotakuArticle "#GamerGate is responsible for breaking millions of Intel powered macbooks after angry SWJ hipsters slam them shut" or "How Toxic Processors from Intel causes sexism. "10/02/2014 - 12:15am
Neo_DrKefkaSo Intel has dropped Gamesutra due to there support of your Gaming News Cabal Fudge. Anti GamerGate article soon? Or like your e-mails are you hoping this narrative dies down soon?10/02/2014 - 12:14am
Andrew EisenWell, time to eat some dinner and work on the Hyrule Warriors guide until bedtime!10/02/2014 - 12:11am
Andrew EisenJust finished my stream. That... could have gone better. Technical issues prevented me from playing a console game so I instead played and bitched about The Walking Dead for two hours. Oh well, the folks watching still seemed to enjoy it.10/02/2014 - 12:09am
Matthew Wilsonwe all know valve can not cout to 3.10/02/2014 - 12:08am
MechaTama31Who cares? Gimme Portal 3!10/01/2014 - 9:38pm
quiknkoldAndrew : Mostly I decided there were better people who could explain what was going on, or fight any battles that may come up. so I decided not to talk about it anymore.10/01/2014 - 8:49pm
Andrew EisenI don't recall you promising that. GamerGate is not a taboo discussion here. Anyway, thanks for the link. Very interesting.10/01/2014 - 8:47pm
quiknkoldI know I promised to not talk about Gamergate again, but Intel just pulled sponsership from Gamasutra over it http://techraptor.net/2014/10/01/gamasutra-intel/10/01/2014 - 8:40pm
quiknkoldP.T. is a game I just cannot play alone. I puss out hard on it. need somebody with me when I play that. Kojima was right. it is Pants Shittingly Scary10/01/2014 - 6:17pm
 

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