“Morally Responsible” Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in Games

The Timothy Plan, a Florida investment firm which bills itself as "conservative Christian," is warning holiday-shopping parents away from what it calls the 30 "most offensive" video games.

While the usual suspects (GTA IV, Saints Row 2, Blitz the League II) make the list, there are some surprises as well, including the T-rated Bully: Scholarship Edition and World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade.

In its game rankings, the organization displays an obvious anti-gay bias. While it evaluates titles for sex and nudity, a gay/lesbian rating is also included, meaning that a game with a gay sexual encounter might get a double whammy when compared to a game where the sex is of the straight variety. This effect, for instance, pushes Fable II onto the group’s most offensive list. Along that line a report prepared by the Timothy Plan contains this rather bizarre comment:

Army of Two: Homosexual Encounters: …Somewhat homo-erotic undertones between the two main characters are present.

WoW made it onto the dirty thirty, thanks to a high "addiction" rating as well as a high rating for alcohol use (curse you, Noggenfogger elixir!).

How the group determined the addiction rank is really quite unfathomable. WoW received a 3, for example, the worst possible rating, while Lord of the Rings Online got a 1 and Age of Conan a 2. In fact, all of the MMOs were tagged for addiction as well as some multiplayer games like Halo 3. A few games (The Darkness, Devil May Cry 4) were punished for "demonic" references.

Timothy Plan president Art Ally (left) comments:

Many, if not most, parents who buy their kids video games really don’t know the extent of sex and violence imbedded in them. From drug use, prostitution, murder and mayhem to vulgar profanity and blasphemy these games have become a powerfully negative influence on our kids…


I believe, if parents would take a moment to look at the report we’ve created, their game selections would be quite different.

The group maintains a corporate "hall of shame" which includes game publishers EA, Take-Two and Microsoft. The Timothy Plan also offers to screen your portfolio to see if any of your mutual funds have investments in shameful companies.

So helpful!

Document Dump: Get the Timothy Plan’s game score card here. The group’s press release with holiday shopping warnings is here.

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  1. Father Time says:

    I think they’re immoral scum bags but I’m not going to advocate them being treated as second class citizens.

    That’s where the big difference lies.


    "What for you bury me in the cold cold ground?" – Tasmanian devil

  2. JustChris says:

    I find that a lot of these critical reports by conservative groups tend to largely ignore European and Japanese-made games. Except for Final Fantasy games which are attacked by such groups for its use of…fantasy, and occult material.

  3. Bill says:

    What are you on about? Nobody rattled your cage, nobody pulled your chain.

    Believeing in a moral code and standing by it is consistant (agree with them or not).  Believeing an a moral code then breaking it  when it suits you (like the tolerance Nazis)is hypocritical.  There, is that better?  Do you need to have Tylenol and a lie down now?  OK gotcha.    Relax, I’m just fucking you.

  4. Father Time says:

    So believeing in a moral code is the same as trashing anyone who disagrees with your moral code and putting non believers on a wall of shame?

    Ok gotcha.


    "What for you bury me in the cold cold ground?" – Tasmanian devil

  5. Kincyr says:

    Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be those of his own household. He who loves his father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves his son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.

    Looks like the Timothy Plan overlooked the fact that Jesus is anti-family and forgot to put him on their hall of shame

    岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

  6. Austin_Lewis says:

    (Matthew 10:28-39)  "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. {29} "Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground apart from your Father’s will. {30} "But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. {31} "Do not fear therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows. {32} "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. {33} "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven. {34} "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. {35} "For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; {36} "and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ {37} "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. {38} "And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. {39} "He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.

    Also, there’s a passage where Jesus whipped the money changers and overturned their tables in righteous anger, but I’m too lazy to get my bible out and find that too.

  7. Bill says:

    I just might, but…  if I make a judgement like that I may be labled a self righteous moral motherfucker by SS, and I wouldn’t want that. 

  8. Bill says:

    Oh yeah, your right, I did mention the bible.. no wait… no I didn’t.  Thanks for the strawman, do you feel better having knocked him over?  Good.  Now you can go away.

  9. Bill says:

    Uh, no.

    Let me take the time to explain this for you.  He basically said he was pissed at them for making a moral judgement.  I pointed out that he, more than likely, does it himself.  And for not realizing it, or for simply thinking it’s ok for him to do it (but not them) because he’s right…. he’s a shithead.  Or another word would be "hypocrite".  Got it?

  10. Father Time says:

    No it should be Conservative Christians ‘let’s make the whole world God friendly at the cost of liberty’ types  vs. Peta vs. Feminists in a cage match to the death.

    I’d pay to see that.

    Although I’d hardly classify peta as game haters.


    "What for you bury me in the cold cold ground?" – Tasmanian devil

  11. Father Time says:

    You don’t believe making blanket statements and trying to degrade people into second class citizens is wrong?


    "What for you bury me in the cold cold ground?" – Tasmanian devil

  12. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    So would I. Five bucks on them making a three-way alliance with JT against games. Weapons out, people. It’s gonna get rough.


    "Game on, brothers and sisters." -Leet Gamer Jargon

  13. VideolandHero says:

    I like this part of the Bioshock review:

    LANGUAGE: Strong Language: Strong profanity including the “f-word”, as well as numerous others we prefer to not include in this report.

    — Official Protector of Videoland!

  14. Soldat_Louis says:

    What ? They don’t have The Witcher in this list ? What a shame !

    (I know, this game was released last year, but it’s been re-released with the Enhanced Edition right now)

  15. Bill says:

    Tell me is there any behavior you think is wrong?  Do you think gay-bashing is wrong?  Murder? Rape?  Then you are expressing a moral belief.  How self righteous of you.  Shithead.

  16. wintermute says:

    Ah, religious fanaticism, where would the braindead sheep of the world be without them?  Thinking for themselves, forming their own opinions, finding tolerance to truely be the best policy?  Nah, they’d be wandering aimlessly looking for someone to tell them what to do!  (And I’m a Christian)

    Enough of the bashing though.  This is only pandering to their own little crowd, an errant google search or two might turn this up, if somebody types in the right thing, but I don’t see this list going too far.

  17. mogbert says:

    How do they feel about Cooking Mama?

    Can we just have a cage match between PETA and Christian Fundamentalists?

  18. Demontestament says:

    I took a look at their hall of shame and my brain tried to kill itself. Look at some of the subjects they are rated on. Anti-Family? Lifestyles? I guess any company who follows the law and does not actively discriminate against gay people is instantly put here.

  19. Derovius says:

     ? I don’t remember there being any harsh language in Bioshock, unless it was coming out of my mouth that is.

     Besides the rampant heresy of DNA mutation is far more important to shield your children from. Take that natural-selection.

  20. Bill says:

    Wait a minute.  Is anyone here saying that extreme violence, sexual themes and Mature rated games are appropriate for children?  If not, then why are you bashing people for pointing out what elements are specifically in these Mature rated games?  So what if it’s on the lable?  What’s wrong with the redundancy?  If you agree that there is material in these games that some would find objectionable, why are you pissed that someone made a list of said objectionable material?  Fuck! 

  21. Michael Chandra says:

    They’re going gay-bashing, mark games as bad because of demonic references and try to help you not to accidentally invest in a company that happened to actually make games for MATURE people with a different taste than theirs. I can either find them disgustingly closed-minded or laugh my ass off at their limited worldview. I’ll just go for the non-intelligent choice. =)

  22. Derovius says:

     Children come head first out a distended vagina, how can anything out here in the cold, cold world be worse than that?

  23. sirdarkat says:

     And another thing Pokemon gets a 0 ??? Isnt the whole premise of the game to go out capture creatures keep them in little balls and then make them fight each other … how in hell does that not equal violence or the very least cartoon violence but Super Mario is bad?

  24. sirdarkat says:

     Oh thank god Wrath of the Lich King isnt on the list and since no one is playing the old content anymore we are all safe …


  25. Sporge says:

    I don’t think anyone here is saying they don’t have the right to publish this list, I think most people just think it is unneccessary.  I’d bet most people on here probably affiliate themselves as christian, so I don’t think they are saying all christians are dumb by any means, just the over the edge extremist ones.  Religious fanatics scare me.  They are the biggest threat to free speech because they are afraid that their religion could ever be wrong.

    I do agree a lot of the comments here are less inteligent though…

  26. Moriarty70 says:

    If they’re talking about homo-erotic undertones in games, how did Lego Batman not make the cut? I mean, we all know about Batman/Robin as the poster masks of NAMBLA right?

  27. jkdjr25 says:


    Most of the games on their list are rated M which means minors shouldn’t be playing them anyway. Honestly though how many corporations are totally clean of doing anything wrong? I find it hard to believe that in this day and age where there are dozens of layers between various companies and their investors and parent companies that any of them are in the right.

    But seriously these guys do have the right to publish their list. I think some of the games are on there erroneously, Super Paper Mario for example, but their right to produce and publish their opinion is imutable.

    I realize that most people here won’t agree with me on this but I still feel it needs to be said. It would be nice if, just once, when something like this story comes up we could have discourse that rose above "dur, Christians are dumb, dur". It doesn’t help you point and only makes you look like a jerk when you go that route. You have the right to do so, but other have the right to call you on it.

  28. Cheater87 says:

    I love buying games the religious right hate. I’m suprised that they did not have that Left Behind game on a list of "good wholesom Christian games." 😛

  29. Michael Chandra says:

    If you’d excuse me for a second.

    *Rolls over the floor laughing his ass off*

    Shameful companies!


    Snicker, sniff, huff, heheheh…

  30. Badluck1313 says:

    I’m pretty sure we have found Jack Thompson 2.0

    Now with 80% MORE homophobe!

    P.S. I think he may be a contender for the award for Douchiest Smile Ever.

  31. Father Time says:

    That reminds me of the old lewis black thing on the daily show suggesting they look for and complain about these things just so they have an excuse to watch them.


    I mean hell they reviewed all these games that all ready had an ESRB rating and even put the ESRB at the end of the report for more information.

    EDIT: Just realized I posted the wrong link, sorry about that. Fixed it though.


    "What for you bury me in the cold cold ground?" – Tasmanian devil

  32. BearDogg-X says:

    I’m surprised those kooks don’t complain about the shape of the state of Florida as it resembles a certain part of the male anatomy after taking Viagra.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

    Proud supporter of the New Orleans Saints, LSU, 1st Amendment; Real American; Hound of Justice; Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always

    Saints(3-4), LSU(7-0)

  33. Zerodash says:

    Conservative Christians cannot be any further from the messages they claim to convey.  I would rather my child see bare breasts than most Christian ideology. 

  34. BearDogg-X says:

    Yet another pathetic attempt by a bunch of "moral" morons to whine about games.

    Maybe they’d be better served chasing chupacabras instead of coming up with nonsense.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

    Proud supporter of the New Orleans Saints, LSU, 1st Amendment; Real American; Hound of Justice; Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always

    Saints(3-4), LSU(7-0)

  35. JDKJ says:

    I’m convinced that there’s a slope angling down the continental United States which explains why all the kooks end up in Florida.

  36. Father Time says:

    Yes the conservative Christian love gay bashing and their whole holier than though crap. Honestly didn’t Jesus preach peace, and only he without sin may cast the first stone etc. etc?

    Oh well, maybe as a counter attack someone can show just how much money they stand to lose by not investing in ‘sinful companies’.


    "What for you bury me in the cold cold ground?" – Tasmanian devil

  37. vellocet says:

    I think it’s hilarious that there’s no number 13 on the list… just two number 12’s.

    Oh wait… ALL the numbers are messed up.  Or maybe it’s my acrobat reader?

  38. axiomatic says:

    Got to say, the zealotous religious types are who I shield my children from.

    I’ll take "free thinkers" for $1000 Alex.

  39. Andrew Eisen says:

    I didn’t say don’t post, I just asked you not to take up so much space with your posts.


    Andrew Eisen

  40. HilaryDuffGta says:

    http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)


    how can  a man knock up another man in the game and even if its in the game who the hell cares…reading the site right now but am only at gta 4

      -empty space

      -empty space

      -empty space

    Edit: ok please at least tell me what i did wrong?? i asked a simple question? and as i said since it is a problem with me posting here since thats what it sounds like i will read stories and thats it…

    AE: Do me a favor and watch the carriage returns.  You’re taking up a bit more than your fair share of space.

  41. Kincyr says:

    the bible also has sexual content, alcohol, homosexuality, murder, demonic content, and these religious fundies are addicted to it. Their bias is showing.

    岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

  42. E. Zachary Knight says:

    When hitting enter between paragraphs only hit it once. You don’t need to hit it multipl times. There are a lot of people who have a tendancy to do that it it makes for long empty posts.

    You ca nstill post, just watch your line breaks.

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  43. Andrew Eisen says:

    Chill, I’m not asking you to not post, I’m merely asking you not to take up so much space with your posts.


    Andrew Eisen

  44. gamegod25 says:

    *wry smile* at least games have a rating on them. The bible has just as bad (if not worse) stuff in it and there isn’t a single warning label or content rating anywhere on it. And these people would let their children read it without a second thought.

  45. BrandonL337 says:

    WTF did you read his comment? he said homophobes are on the same level as rascists not Christians

    United we Stand, Divided we fall.

  46. BrandonL337 says:

    Dude, did you even read the post you responded to past "douche"

    I said that they are douches for treated gays like second class citizens how they treat me has nothing to do with it, they haven’t hurt my feelings, just my faith in humanity.  Homophobes like them took away homosexuals right to marry with proposition H8.  Gays need and deserve the finantial benefites that straites have for marrying espesially now in this finantial crisis.

    Please try to understand, it is our sense of justice that all or most people have that leads us to bitch about someone elses beliefs.  And while it is somewhat assholish of us to say that these people shouldn’t be allowed to have their opinions, keep in mind that it is the same opinion that lead to Poposition H8 being passed and the death of Mathew Shepard, and we tend to think of those events when we see or hear about homophobic practices or beliefs

    Just know this I and many if not all on this forum ranting about homophobia would never in a million years have the first amendment rights of these people taken away; I would die before allowing anyone to take away the first amendment rights of anyone else.  We only want them to stop oppessing others, that’s it, they can say whatever they want.  As a secular humanist I cannot stand people that would take away the rights of others but I would never take away their rights

    I disapprove of what they say, but I will defend to the death their right to say it.

     Repeal Proposition H8

  47. Lcpuche says:

    I wish people would stop putting bible quotes, most of them are either metaphors or really mistranslated. I really dont put my whole trust in the bible as its says very strange things.

  48. Kincyr says:

    they will not want their little boys kissing other little boys.

    Should Christian men kiss each other?
    Answer: Yes. "Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss." (I Thessalonians 5:26)
    Why do we not see men kissing in church, then? Because these fundies believe kissing is somehow always sexual.

    岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

  49. Sai says:

    That doesn’t mean the rest of the world has to conform to the moral code of a single religion. So no, Suggestive Themes and Sexual Content are enough to cover any romantic or sexual content parents may be uncomfortable with.

  50. Sai says:

    You’re right, sometimes it’s misleading. For instance I know of at least one game that got bumped up to a T rating cause one character farts. Crude Humor coupled with Cartoon Violence was enough to shove it from a E10+ to a T rating.

    And this was a game with Mario and other classic Nintendo characters in it. Which just goes to show how strict the ESRB ratings are.

  51. Sai says:

    It’s incredibly easy, parents just don’t make an effort. All the ratings and descriptors are on the box of every video game plain as day. If parents are still having trouble comprehending its not to hard to use the Google and find about a million websites for parents, by parents to help them be aware of game content. That people will just sit there shrugging their shoulders while letting their kids get into something they’re unsure of because they’d rather say "Well by golly I just don’t understand this stuff" than even attempt to do a little research is no one’s fault but their own.

    I mean if your kid wanted to get into, say, kick-boxing, would you not research the sport and safety equipment a little?

  52. Sai says:

    To say a game is bad because the group personally thinks two characters have "gay undertones" is… what? Paranoid that’s what. That would be like rating a Spongebob DVD "R" because of that group that claimed Spongebob is gay.

  53. Kincyr says:

    One M game is not equal to another.

    that’s why the back of the package has content descriptors explaining why the game is rated M. And while the ESRB isn’t 100% accurate, that’s because they err on the side of caution: some games get descriptors for content that isn’t in the game. e.g. there might be a descriptor for partial nudity in a game that has just as much nudity as a TV show rated TV-PG

    岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

  54. darkenchanter says:

    Clearly you haven’t seen the Danny/Leo subtext in the game (not to mention some of the comments made by the pervs). Homosexual undertones are rampant, trust me.

  55. HilaryDuffGta says:

    http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)


    actully that is homophobic..it is not a sin and there is nothing wrong with it..what people try to believe or enforce is that it shouoldnt be tolerated and that gay people have no rights…at least that is my view of things on this area..And as i said even if there is a descriptor for this no one will use it

  56. ThinkWithYourHeart says:

    No.  It is not homophobic.  People believe in different things based on their moral code.  To some, homosexuality is a sin.  That does not mean they hate homosexuals.  It is the lifestyle they are not comfortable being a part of.  If that is the case, they will not want their little boys kissing other little boys.  To me it is a reasonable request.

  57. HilaryDuffGta says:

    http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)


    actully i think it does make it homophobic..and even if that area gets put into the ratings area the parents still wont use it..that is the main problem here parents do not use the guidelines so no matter how many you put in its not gonna help none

  58. ThinkWithYourHeart says:

    I am not demonizing the ESRB.  They are good, as a basic guide.  Like I said, one M Rating is not the same as another.  Details are also important to make informed decisions.  In a perfect world, parents would sit and play the games with their children.  When issues arise, make it a learning cue.

    Having a column with themes containing Gay/Lesbian content does not make the list homophobic.  It is an issue that the ESRB does not put in their ratings and parents should have a right to decide if they want their child to participate.  Otherwise you are craming your views and values on them.

  59. Anthrax says:

    Gah, this message (the one you’re reading, not the one above) was a reply to someone else but other comments somehow got above it (must be a delay in there somewhere) and now it looks completely random. Ignore.

  60. Anthrax says:

    In response to thinkwithyourheart…

    I’m not forcing anyone to do anything, it’s only a comment on a blog, it’s not gonna get anything done. I’m not telling parents how to raise their kids, I’m telling them to start raising them in the first place and stop looking to other people for answers instead of using their own brains. Some people have problems with kids playing mature video games and that’s completely within their rights, it’s when they condemn the games as the spawn of satan and try to make laws so that nobody can play them that bugs me. I’m saying that not everybody has to like them but they’re not harmful as long as you’re kid has been raised in a way that he/she knows what’s right and wrong.

    The list doesn’t do anything but preach homophobia and general stupidity. You don’t need a biased and sometimes downright untruthful list to make decisions about what video games your child should play, the industry provides all the information they need and they’re just too stupid to take advantage of it. No amount of demonizing the ESRB will change that. We’re not trying to hide anything, most parents are just clueless on the subject because they think everything should be done for them and that if they have to do any real parenting then people are expecting too much of them.

  61. JustChris says:

    Hate to break it to this firm but….OLD. A lot of game journalists have had their share of making fun of the homo-overtones that supposedly cover Army of Two, back when it was not yet launched. You’re a little late to the party.

  62. Bill says:

      You see, I don’t care if you’re not tolerant of something or not.  

      I don’t care if you say "This is right" "That is wrong" until your blue in the face.  But the moment you do that then step up on the "tolerant" moral high ground, that’s when I have to call bullshit and rub your face in it.

      So saying someone is a douche, or they made you angry/hurt your feelings doesn’t mean that you are any less of a hypocrite if you start waving the tolerance banner while bitching about someone elses beliefs.  I have more respect for people who don’t hide behind that bullshit.  Now I haven’t really followed your posts so I don’t know if anything I’ve said applies to you.

  63. Good Lord says:

    And you have some reading comprehension problems. You are not being forced to do anything except read, and take an active role in the parenting of your children. If you can’t take responsibility for the media your children consume, perhaps you’re not ready to be a parent. Being a parent means making informed decisions that will keep your child safe, and sometimes that means doing a little extra research on your own.

    "Not everyone feels it is ok to play with drugs, drink alcohol, gamble, have sex with multiple persons."

    And that’s exactly why the ESRB puts ratings and content descriptors RIGHT ON THE BOX of the game you’re buying for your child. If you can’t take the two seconds necessary to check the age rating on the video game little Timmy’s begging you to buy for him, then your parenting skills are most definitely suspect.

  64. HilaryDuffGta says:

    http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)


    Its the red headed step child now in the video game area.politicians hate it cause they dont understand it,parents are against it cause of the cartoony violence…(yet i’m sure they would watch the coyote fall off a cliff a few hundred times during the old road runner cartoons) It gets blown up a lot more then it should and even gta 4 seemed a bit mild for me…

  65. HilaryDuffGta says:

    http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)


    execuse me but thats what i am doing..i am just stating my opinion on this..I’m sorry but i dont want to raise anyone’s child..i just believe that parents need to lay off this crap execuse they use…i look at it as a very simple way and thats either pay attention to what they want or dont buy it..if you think thats me telling you what to do then ur full of it…And who’s trying to hide or censor anything…I just dont like the fact that i cant play the games i want to play like a unrated version of manhunt 2 all in the name of "protecting the children"


    Honestly i respect your views and ask that you respect mine and if you cant do that then dont respond to my posts

  66. ThinkWithYourHeart says:

    You have some serious problems.  Let me explain:  First, you are judging parents and determining that they do not explain why there are rules.  Second, you are telling people how to raise their kids.  Third, only you can know you and you are not everyone.  Finally, the list explains to parents the game play aspect of games and you are trying to censor/hide that from them? 

    Not everyone feels it is ok to play with drugs, drink alcohol, gamble, have sex with multiple persons.  THEY ARE CHILDREN!!!!   If you love to drink – don’t make me.  If you love watching people having sex – don’t make me.  I am not you – only you are you.  Raise your kids the way you want and let others do the same.   This is America.

  67. HilaryDuffGta says:

    http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)


    of course their too lazy they dont want to bother with it because it would require to actully pay attention these days and *Gasp* we cant have that now..I read the site and all the games it reviewed a lot of them were pure bull..the fct that they tried to find a way to condemn crackdown and make it sound like it was like gta was just lies upon lies…

  68. ThinkWithYourHeart says:

    Because ESRB is not accurate.  They don’t completely play the games they review.  One M game is not equal to another.  Some T games should be M games.  Parents think M means blood and guts and not the other stuff that is in it.  Video games are not same as what they remember….  Mario Brothers, Frogger, Donkey Kong.  Not injecting drugs into their player’s arm!

  69. Anthrax says:

    The ESRB is completely accurate, there has yet to be a game I’ve played where the content description box has been wrong, and I play very mature games with a lot of adult themes in them. They’ve always been stated on the back of the box, where parents are too lazy to look. If you think they’re doing a bad job you should play a game or two and then tell me if the content description is wrong, because it wont be.

    The problem with these parents, and this isn’t just restricted to video game issues, is that they’re focusing so much on making rules and laws for their children to have to follow, and not even stopping for a second to tell them why the rules are there, or even to give them the sense to follow the rules. Rules, without a reason or will to follow them, are absolutely useless. If their kids are playing M games at their friend’s houses when they’re not supposed to be, then it’s time to cut the parental commandment crap and start actually talking to your kid about it. And even if there’s "bad" stuff in these games, what’s the big deal? There’s absolutely nothing wrong with doing drugs or killing people for fun in a video game as long as you know not to do it in real life. It’s all for FUN, hence the adding of the word GAME at the end of VIDEO GAMES. I brutally murdered a man in a video game with a baseball bat the other day (The overseer, in Fallout 3, hope you guys did the same), and it has never seriously crossed my mind in any point in my life that I should do anything even resembling that in real life.

    This list is a bad thing, because it’s complete bullshit and it’s exactly what parents look to when they’re lost and don’t know what to think about their kids’ video games. It’s misinforming parents who are too lazy to make their own decisions, which at this point and time in America is just about everyone.

  70. Hannah says:

    Yep, with no repercussions whatsoever.  In fact, it’s presented as a perfectly valid — and even lucrative — career choice!

  71. BrandonL337 says:

    So game X is Ninja Gaiden II, best game ever

    EDIT: but not for those reasons

    United we Stand, Divided we fall.

  72. Anthrax says:

    I still don’t understand how parents have trouble remembering the ratings, and frankly I think it’s because they’re not trying at all. They’re expecting the government to step in and do the parenting for them. Three fucking letters, that’s all it is (primarily). If they were really struggling with it they could just make a cheat sheet, copying down stuff from the ESRB website and keep it in their pocket every time they go to rent movies and games and stuff. They remember the movie rating system, why is the game rating system too hard for them to comprehend?

  73. BrandonL337 says:

    Typically we say stuff like this because the people we’re talking about are douches, doesn’t make it right but they drive us nuts because they advocate gays continuing to be second class citizens, they are also the type that cheered when Palin made that "real America" comment.  They hold us back as a nation and while we would never really have their free speech taken away, we want to keep them from oppressing people.

    Point is that even the best of us get angry and lose our heads; see my earlier post. 

    United we Stand, Divided we fall.

  74. Bill says:

      Yup, that is one option, but simply looking at a box and saying "There’s an M that means no!" is not involved parenting, it’s a fucking cop out.

      If you really want to be involved you should know your kid , what they can and cannot handle and be able to make judgement weather or not the kid (all the way up to age 18) is capable of handling the game.

      If a list says game "X" has titties, but game "Y" only shows some butt, that might be useful to somebody.  Game "X" has decapitation but game "Y" has mild violence, that could be useful.  It’s a way for an involved but non-game parent to make some choices.  Personally game "X" is looking pretty cool.

  75. BrandonL337 says:

    bashing Homosexuality in Videogames is Homophobia

    no shit, Sherlock.

    United we Stand, Divided we fall.

  76. HilaryDuffGta says:

    http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)


    No parents are stupid for actully falling for what the kids say about the games..I believe that no parents want to say no to their kids now because this is the new scapegoat and parents dont take the blame for buying their kids m rated games..If they are really against it then you  know waht dont buy the games dont buy the system and if it comes to it tell the kids "you want those games you wait til u are 18 and out of my house" i’m not buying any of this "parents dont have a way to get involved" either find a way or tell the kid "no i am not buying it"

  77. ThinkWithYourHeart says:

    This is a way for them to get involved and be a parent.  Not everyone is technical, and it is not easy to know all the ins and out of video games.  Kids are not stupid and seem to weave around the whole M Rating.

  78. ThinkWithYourHeart says:

    There is so much one-sided hatred on this page.  Thank you for your intelligence.  Refreshing.  🙂

    What I don’t understand is, if they disagree with the Guide because it is intolerant – why not use it for their personal tolerant shopping guide?  It can be used both ways.

  79. HilaryDuffGta says:

    http://www.myspace.com/hermoinefan_420 (and boom goes the dynamite)


    Parents do not know what their kids are experiencing??? THen Maybe they outta get involved and hey i dont know Dont buy the kids the damn M rated games in the first place..And what is all this about the child’s "Soul" and being "innocent" thats the problem with this issue is all of this crap about "protect the children" To hell with the children already..Its gone on long enough and not all children are innocent..I think the issue has been beaten to death enough and lets get over it already..Some parents should just grow a pair and stop buying the games for t heir kids or if they are going to buy games like Gears 2 and Gta 4 then shut your mouth afterwards cause i could care less about your complaining..


    It seems quite simple to me..Just be a damn parent

  80. ThinkWithYourHeart says:

    Obviously you cannot read and claim things that are not true.  Just as you have a right to believe what you want, others have rights too.  They are not trying to take away your right, so back off.  Parents do not know what their kids are experiencing, if there is a way for them to find out – kudos!  Children are innocent and impressionable.  Are you saying we shouldn’t care about kids?  Should trust them play safely with fire?  No.  Parents birthed their child, not you.  Let them raise their children they way they morally feel is right, not what "you" feel is right.  It is their soul they are worried about, not yours.

    The Timothy Plan is not trying to shut down the games, just informing parents.  There was nothing judgmental mentioned on their website or the guide.  The only judging is coming from you all.

  81. ezbiker555 says:

    Here’s what I see after reading this article, and checking the website.

    Stupidity, no actual facts, a scam for money (the donations), a religous nut, and someone who is probababbly a closed closet. Just like Jack Thompson. 

    I can understand that people are trying to make an effort to get parents to be more aware about video games kids play, but going this far and saying utter crap such as seen on the website, I draw the line.

     In short: a epic legendary fail.

  82. Bill says:

    Sorry shit stain, close but no cigar.  I never claimed to be tolerant.  I also never said being intolerant makes you a shithead, simply being a hypocrite does.  He was, and he is.  I am proud that you are trying to have a thought but you missed it by that much.

  83. Michael Chandra says:

    Yet you’re intolerant of our intolerance as well. Welcome to the Shithead club, your shirt is in the mail.

  84. Bill says:

    I don’t give a shit weather or not he ever lays a hand on anyone the rest of his life.  It’s just too perfect not to make an example.  He displays intolerance of the views of those he’s pissed at for being intolerant of the views of other people.  Fuck his threat, it’s his head that’s empty. 

  85. Father Time says:

    I think Mark’s supposed to be metaphorical, somehow. Don’t know about the others.


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  86. Father Time says:

    It’s an empty threat, come on man you should’ve realized that.


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  87. Bill says:

    Ah fuck.  All of you tolerance hypocrites irritate the shit out of me.

      The motto of a person who is true to the concept of tolerance should simply be "Believe what you will" and the last thing we should ever hear is a word of complaint from your mouths, but instead your motto could be described as "If you say someone is wrong then you are wrong". 

      You tolerance thumpers don’t really mean it, you just use it as a mask for your own intolerance.  I don’t care what you think about other people, but I love to point out when you do the same shit you accuse of others like hmmm I don’t know threaten to beat up people with whom you disagree, so very tolerant of you. 

  88. NeW SpEcTrUM says:

    This is about as much horseshit I can handle in one day…fucking conservatives and their intolerant views. Hope I never meet one of these people, because I will fuck them up BAD.

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  89. UhhKris says:

    Is there a die-hard Christian in the audience? I need an answer to a question that has been plaguing me for the longest time… If I sound offensive, I don’t mean to. This is a serious question.

    Why do Christians pick and choose what to take from the Bible? I don’t get it. There are some passages in the Bible that are so completely ludicrous, ignorant, and irrelevant of society today that it’s scary. Stuff like… 
    "Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says." (1 Corinthians 14:34)
    "But if … evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones…" (Deuteronomy 22:20,21)
    "If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched." (Mark 9:43)
    "And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat." (Leviticus 26:29)

    I mean, I don’t get why you guys pick and choose which Bible verses are relevant today and which aren’t. I mean, apparently because it’s in the Bible, homosexuality isn’t okay, but even though cannibalism is said to be just fine in the Bible, you don’t see any Christians eating eachother. It’s just all so contradictory and somewhat hypocritical.

    I don’t get religion.

    Also, it seems like we do have another JT on our hands. Men, to arms! I want full background checks on this guy.

  90. zel says:

    Before I get into details here is the short verion: Duh, M rated games aren’t for kids.

    now for the long version:

    As a Christian myself and a long time gamer, i agree, this list is just dumb.

    I, for one, am tired of every goup out there trying to come up with their own list of ‘most offensive game ever!!!’ and then they go on to cite how an M rated game is damaging to children and how nobody tells the parents how violent and gory the game is. The rating of M should clue you in on that fact.

    Pretty soon they’re going to have to include red warning lights and flashing strobe lights with sirens built into the box that way parents can’t miss these horrible games. With all these groups and individuals complaining about parents not doing their job the one thing that I have failed to see them bring forth is any kind of valid, factual statistic or study showing there is a mass problem of parents buying young children M rated games. everyone just ASSUMES this as a fact. You can’t count the young adults (15ish-17) as at that point you should start giving them some resposibility and kids tend to start acting mature at different ages. i’m talking about the real root of the controversy, that kids that are way too young to be playing these games actually ARE playing these games without the parents knowing how violent and gory they are. Some parents actually don’t care and you will never fix that because that is simply how they choose to live their life and raise their child. If the neglect is bad enough then child services may have to step in but you can’t blame that on the gaming industry.

    On a side note: When I was younger, at our youth Bible studies, after we were done we’d get some 4 player halo matches going. ahh, good times 🙂


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  91. Anomalous says:

    I’m surprised that Enemy Territory: Quake Wars wasn’t even present in the list. (I only played the demo)

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  92. sirdarkat says:

     But BUT you don’t understand we are selective see this chapter is about stuff I don’t like so I follow it but this next one you know the one were I can’t lay with anyone else well that is OT and frankly I’m a Christian and I follow the NT unless of course the OT has stuff in it I want to use to push my f’ed up beliefs.  See isnt the world grand.

  93. PHOENIXZERO says:

    How much you wanna bet that Art Ally (hey, that sounds like a videogame character or mascot name) has a lot of skeletons in his closet?

  94. nighstalker160 says:

    It does seem odd. But when you consider that these folks apparently consider homosexuality as the greatest threat then Manhunt doesn’t seem so bad by comparison to other games.

  95. darkenchanter says:

    I am the only one that’s amazed by Manhunt 2s low point on the list? I figured it would be way, way higher?

  96. mdo7 says:


    Calm down I know they are games that appeal to girls.  I was making sarcasm about the Army of Two: Homosexual edition.  I was making that association that they are not enough shooting game that appeals to girls, hence the play on Army of two thing.


    Yes, I did heard of Duel Love, went to youtube and found out it’s a bit too much for a guy like me.  I wish they could make a shooter game that appeals to girls. But the idea of Army of Two: Homosexual edition make me laugh and I decided to well, let associate that shooting game to girls.


  97. TBoneTony says:


    It is called the ESRB in America.

    And they did use the ESRB ratings in the games they mentioned,

    Kinda defeating the purpose there from that Christian Groups point of view.

    They designed a table to help parents when already all they needed to do was to inform about the ESRB that it is already in place and has always been there since the mid90s.


    It is almost as silly as the Australian Politicians who said that we need ratings on Videogames when there has already been one in the first place.


  98. Hannah says:

    But there’s a new one coming out soon, and a lot of people still play it, so it should be on their radar.

  99. gamadaya says:

    But what would the world be like without a little depravation?


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  100. mdo7 says:


    Oh, maybe it’s for female gamers.  Female gamers don’t get enough shooting game appeal to them so they decided to throw in some Yaoi and Shonen-Ai content.  We all know that girls love game that has 2 guys getting at it, maybe this Army of Two game will get the girls liking this game.

  101. Hannah says:

    Ok, why the hell is Sims 2 not on that list?  It has gay sex, adoption and marriage (they call it a union, I believe, but it’s functionally the same thing with the same animations and everything), necrophelia (you can have zombie or vampire sims and they can have sex with regular sims), incest (the game forgets about blood relations if a child is taken away by social services and adopted by another sim family), adultery (and you can even get points for it!), poorly disguised drug use… um.. what else?  Oh, and sims can fervently wish for each other’s deaths and are rewarded if you make it happen.  And university student sims can get better grades from sleeping with profs.  Really, as Christian morals go, it’s WAY worse than pretty much any game there.

  102. Paulrus says:

    Florida? Conservative Christian? White hair? Involved in a firm? Attacking video games?

    Holy shit, fellow gamers. Jack Thompson is making a clone army. Or reproducing asexually. Or using supernatural powers to control the bodies of America’s suits. Or flushed down the toilet.


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  103. Twin-Skies says:

    The funny thing is that a typical fundie’s gay hate stems mostly from Bible’s book of Leviticus Deoteronomy. I’m not even sure why they’re so focused on those books, given that they’re in the Old Testament and Christians are supposed to be following the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament. The OT is strictly Hebrew tradition – the only reason I had to take it up in theology class was as a form of socio/anthropological analysis of the society Chrisianity was coming from. My proffs had vocally stated it would be plain impractical and inhumane to even try to implement them (especially since a lot of the college proffs were gay as well).

    More importantly however, along that tract about gays being an "abomination," Leviticus also states that eating shellfish is sinful, and that adultery is punishable by stoning to death. Given how so many of these right-wing gay haters have divorced on more than on occasion (hear that, Newt Gingrich?), which is considered adultery according to, I see these people as nothing more than self-absorbed bigots attempting to candy-coat their hate with their pathetic understanding of a religion, always willing to twist the old teachings to push their own agenda.

    To have them call you a heathen who doesn’t believe in the same brand of religion as them is almost a mark of honor.

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  104. Doomsong says:

    Epic Fail

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  105. chipsugar says:

    "Army of Two: Homosexual Encounters: …Somewhat homo-erotic undertones between the two main characters are present."

    I’d never heard of the "Army of Two: Homosexual Encounters" edition. How does it vary from other versions?

  106. DexX says:

    If only there was some kind of…  I don’t know, body or agency that could look at all the games before they’re released, judged what kind of age groups they’re suitable for, and then put some kind of easy to understand label on all the games so people know what kind of content they contain.  That way America’s very responsible parents could see that label and know immediately whether a game is suitable for their kids.

    Jesus, why the hell doesn’t someone put a system like this in place?  If they don’t, ignorant fucktards might start thinking that a;ll games are made for children, even the ones full of violence, swearing, and adult situations, and that would SUCK!


  107. TBoneTony says:

    Also bashing Homosexuality in Videogames is Homophobia.

    Thankfully there are the younger generation of people who don’t mind homosexuals and I have got a cousin who is a Homosexual.

    At the youth events that my group hold every few months we have signs saying

    "This is a youth event where we won’t tollerate Sexism, Recism and Homophobia."

    So yeah, as it is basicly saying, if any Extreme Christian groups have anything wrong with Homosexuality, then you are not welcome at our events.

    Also Videogames have got a good reason to try and explore topics such as Sex, Race and Homosexuality as it is perfictly stated within the 1st Admendment of the US Constitution, Freedom of Speech and Expression.

    Unfortunately many minority extreme Christian groups will never understand that.

    Lets hope that in the next 50 years that attitudes change and the world is a more understandable place for Homosexuals.

  108. ChrowX says:

    Enopuraging parents to do their research by making up a bunch of bullshit and publishing it in a slick PDF. Yeah, that speaks of pure chritian Morality all the way. Who would’ve expected a religious organization to twist the truth and lie to people in order to get them to do something?

    Seriously, though, where did they get the info that you can smoke and get addicted to cigarettes in Fallout 3? Or that you can use drugs and alcohol in Bully? ..or that any game with Multiplayer is ‘HIGHLY ADDICITIVE’?

  109. TBoneTony says:

    Hey, if you don’t like the M rated or T rated videogames, then just buy the E rated games and the E10+ games that are suitable for everyone…

    I don’t think I need to say anything more than that.

  110. TBoneTony says:

    Wasen’t it also the Conservative Christians who were also offended by Pokemon and Spore because of Evolution themes?

    I kinda thought they could have also made the list.

    I remember almost 10 years ago there was a large scale moral panic because of Pokemon.

    Kinda makes you feel that these minority Christian groups who pass judgement over other people kinda don’t like it when people pass judgement over them.

  111. nightwng2000 says:

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  112. dantynan says:


    Me, I like to think about how the Timothy Plan went about rating 142 games in 13 categories. Imagine the countless hours spent in front of game consoles — maiming, murdering, cursing, smoking, stripping off their clothes, soliciting prostitutes, consuming vast quantities of drugs and alcohol, cross dressing, and matching voices to their transgender created players.


    What wicked fun they must have had.


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  113. ThinkWithYourHeart says:

    Ok, lets face it.  Homosexuality is still an "issue."  Americans are 50/50 when considering gay marriage.  Just because 50% are on your choosen side, doesn’t mean the other 50% need to conform.  Vise versa.  Seriously, if we were all alike on this planet, it would be one boring place.

    Bashing Christians and comparing them to racists is way out of line.  If you read the threads on this page it is filled with hate on "your" side, not theirs.  In actuality, Christians who are not allowed to be Christians in other countries die for their faith, can you say you would die for your beliefs?  Girls are getting raped and then sentenced to death for adultry because they read the Bible.  I hear both sides and both have every right to believe what they want.  Christians believe they will go to heaven when they die, if they are wrong, then they just die like the rest.  If you believe you just die and are wrong, well eternity is a very long time to burn.  Lets just hope you are not wrong.

    No one asked ESRB to publish that information, including me.  I am stating that it is not the end all – be all.  There is more to intelligence than bleeps of information.

    I looked up some of the details the list included (had to remove the word "Timothy Plan" to get past all the new stuff).  They are not in the business of reviewing video games; they are offering their findings to the public, that is all.  Free speech.  And… the information they posted is all over the web if you guys would just read.  Maybe you don’t notice some of the issues because you are immune – but some do notice.  And the list is not talking to you, it is talking to parents.  Are you worried your parents are going to find out what you have been playing?

  114. Lcpuche says:

    What, its a game not real life it should be put as the same on the label. but i disagree with the end of your text

  115. Anthrax says:

    Another response to thinkwithyourheart (I’ll get bored of this eventually)…

    That does make it homophobic. People who believe that homosexuals are sinners and are going to hell are homophobes, and to put a "homosexual romance" tag on the back of games would be giving in to their views and I personally don’t think they deserve to be taken seriously enough for that to happen. I think a "sexual content" tag works well enough, because after all, it doesn’t make a bit of difference what gender the lovers are, stating otherwise would be conforming to the religious group’s views, something the ESRB shouldn’t have to do to please a few insane people. Asking the ESRB to raise maturity ratings or tag certain games because of homosexual romance is like tagging a game because there’s mixed-race relationships in it, or for simply having black people in it. Homophobics are on the same level as racists, conforming to one is like conforming to the other. There’s no lesser of two evils, they’re both equally unfair and cruel. 

  116. NovaBlack says:

    from the lobbist article claiming GP is unfair:


    ”Anyone that wonders over to The Timothy Plan and spends 30 seconds looking at the site can obviously figure out that it adheres to a certain value set, and that last time I checked, in the United States people can think differently and have different value sets.


    so the main reason you think that its wrong for GP to hold the view that ‘gay bashing’ as wrong.. is that you beleive that people should be allowed to have their own views…


    can you spell IRONY.

  117. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    lobbyist, thank you for hosting a link to GP on your website.

    As per this particular article: kiss our collective asses.

    It’s not that we hate you: we don’t! You are entitled to your own views….as are we. You may not enjoy the so-called "Christian bashing", but that’s your view. Our view is that although some games on their list shouldn’t be given to kids (12 and under), the inclusion and classification of some games is absolutely absurd.

    When it comes right down to it, lobbyist, we like you but disagree with you….Sorry!

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  118. Zerodash says:

    I don’t see anything wrong with being critical of Christianity.  The USA in particular needs it.  The entire faith has become a backwards hate group trying to bring back the dark ages.  

    Its about time they get called out for it.  Perhaps it might mobilize/enable so-called (believe it when I see it) "moderate" Christians to bring their faith into the 20th century.  Maybe someday they can join the rest of us in the 21st even.

  119. insanejedi says:

    Mass Effect is there, and it mentions about the whole homosexual thing about female to female, when it is infact female to a monogender species. Get your facts right people!

  120. E. Zachary Knight says:

    Mass Effect is on the list.

    With the exception of WoW and Bully their top offender list consists of only M rated games. They might as well have just said, "if a game is rated M it is the bastion of evil."

    What surprised me most was that Harry Potter and any otehr mystical games were not on their top offender list for pagan and demonic themes.

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  121. GTCv Deimos says:

    File Damaged… can’t check out the score-card.

    What? No mention of Mass Effect? How could they bash Army of Two without making mention of the hawt, dripping wet, smouldering blue alien, lesbian love scene, that got all of us fanboy…. Okay, i think i just answered my own question. :p

  122. BrandonL337 says:

    Ahhh, now I get it

    although it’s really more fundementalists that don’t mix with America; the homophobes, the misogynists, the racists, the fascists, the theocrats, the anti-intellectuals, the creationists etc.

    United we Stand, Divided we fall.

  123. Kincyr says:

    I know, I’m just saying that Christianity and America doesn’t mix.

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  124. Father Time says:



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  125. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    First emotional response: LOL.

    Second emotional response: True, true…

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  126. Andrew Eisen says:

    "I’m sure we all agree that we ought to love one another, and I know there are people in the world who do not love their fellow human beings, and I hate people like that!" -Tom Lehrer

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  127. DraginHikari says:

    Maybe a majority in this case but there are those that aren’t religious that don’t approve of gay marriage.   My point is that hate is rarely spawned from one direction.

  128. DeepThorn says:

    Exactly, but logicially working out the whole idea of no same sex marriage only brings you back to religion.  I have never found anything that can rationalize it that isn’t based on religion, or that can not be countered with a positive.

  129. DraginHikari says:

    The problem is though you can physically say to seperate church and state simply puts forth that no religion can hold political power in the sense within the government itself.   It’s easy to say that the Christian Church nor any other religion has any direct control in teh development of laws itself.  It comes down to who is elected to uphold and create the law regardless of whether they are religious or not.

    However, you cannot erase what people believe quiet so easily.  People, including elected offoicals, have there own opinions and can stem from religion as well, however saying this is a violation of the seperate of church and state isn’t really the case. People can get married without requiring the instituation of a religion at all.

  130. DeepThorn says:

    Yet at the same time church and state are suppose to be seperate, yet the whole homosexuality and marriage thing are fully and absolutely religious, and the state should either define that legal marriage is not the same as religious, or fully allow homosexuals to marry, because either way, the current system is absolutely wrong.

  131. DraginHikari says:

    It’s mostly due to the freedom of Religion in the sense that the amendend rights say the government cannot restrict the organzation or belief in any regilion.

  132. Adamas Draconis says:

    Try SH:Covenant. The French one is even worse when he’s with his brother and wanting cards of nude sommeliers.

    (And before people have a heart attack, ther ARE covered, by winebottles,skillets and such.)

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  133. sqlrob says:

    You ever play Shadow Hearts: From the New World?

    The storekeepers in that are seriously over camp.


  134. gamegod25 says:

    yeah talk cringe inducing sterotypes. They couldn’t kill him soon enough for me (no offence to any gay ppl)

  135. ZippyDSMlee says:

    oy oy, I mean its just as fcktardered, they are complaining about homosexuals more because they can’t "take it" like the rest of us and are whiny lil oldmen, and because they are men they are more apt to ignore the lesbian stuff because they are hateful and foolish moralists.

     Ah clanisim  their outsiders we can pick on them because they are not us… I hate to go PC nazi because I loath PC nazis…even tho I don’t like self much…but really… this is defamation and discrimination of a normal segment of society…. if yuo want to pick on "the issue" take them to task with the lude parades and personal behavior something tangible not what gender they take to bad…anyone to not see the diffrace is working for Satan more than anything else…

    Oh and heres a thought if you do not like how I think,act or post be an adult and ignore me don’t be a child and whine and complain and tell me what to do, you are better than that.

    I is fuzzy brained mew =^^=
    (in need of a bad overhaul)

  136. Kincyr says:

    actually, nowhere in their bible does it say that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. In fact, it says the opposite: that all men are slaves, down to the very thought, to the obedience of Christ.

    The fact that the Timothy Plan is based in America is a great big example of irony.

    岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

  137. BrandonL337 says:

    Hey, Timothy Plan, Go Fuck Yourselfs; You self-rightous, homophopic, holier-than-thou pricks

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    that’s right, God, fucknuts; endowed BY THEIR CREATOR.

    you have no right to take away the rights of others, gay people are second class citizens thanks to you assholes.

    While I am not gay, I am an American and I understand these core beliefs more than you ever will; don’t like it?  well then move to Iran you fascist cockmongers.

    Repeal Proposition H8!

    AE: Let’s reign in the profane invectives a bit, shall we?

  138. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    Motion seconded.


    "Game on, brothers and sisters." -Leet Gamer Jargon

  139. DeepThorn says:

    I motion to a wording closer to:

    "Anybody who considers homosexuals as sub-humans doesn’t deserve to vote, have any other legal rights, or have a job that pays more than $30,000 a year."

    They already don’t have a brain to think with, it is too full of stupid.

  140. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    As a compromise, motion to change the text in question to "doesn’t deserve to have a brain to think with." All in favor?


    "Game on, brothers and sisters." -Leet Gamer Jargon

  141. BrandonL337 says:

    Thirded, we are all human and thus we should all be treated as such

    Do unto others as you’d have them do to you.

     @Leet Gamer Jargon

    works for me.

    Repeal Proposition H8!

  142. Father Time says:

    Uh I used to be in a relationship with a girl who was bi and even I think that statement’s taking it too far.

    Although they are dreadfully wrong and scum-like.


    "What for you bury me in the cold cold ground?" – Tasmanian devil

  143. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    Thirded, but motion to change "doesn’t deserve to live" to "doesn’t deserve to have vocal chords".

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  144. KayleL says:

    Christians shouldn’t take the english bible too literally. It’s actually poorly translated in some areas, and the choice of words are for art sake, which leads to many interpretations.

    I heard the the original Bible doesn’t say that being gay is a sin. It actually said something about prostitution. Even in the english version, if you look at the paragraphs before and after, it was all about having sex for greedy pleasure, and not for love, which homosexuality doesn’t fall under.

  145. Zerodash says:

    "From drug use, prostitution, murder and mayhem to vulgar profanity and blasphemy…" 

    Blasphemy.  Yet one more reason why I think "devout" Christians can go to hell.  Their unwarranted hatred of gays (seriously, who cares?) and fear of anything remotely sexual is completely out-of-place in a supposedly civilized culture. 

    At least they aren’t calling out Spore for promoting evolution.

  146. TheEggplant says:

    I have an overpowering urge to grab Cho Aniki on the Wii just to spite people like this.

    Does that make me a troll?

  147. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    Mass Effect is in there? Why the FUCK am I not surprised?



    "Game on, brothers and sisters." -Leet Gamer Jargon

  148. cpt crunchie says:

    Lol, if that guy thought army of two (hey, i liked it, shut up) was homo-erotic, he would be very shocked if he ever saw our military. those guys are very close, going through the fire together brings about bonds that only brothers in arms (lol video game reference) can understand. i suppose to a closet-case like him, any type of bond between men is gay.



    It is not murder; I am merely advancing the hands of the clock, just a bit.

  149. NovaBlack says:

    Along that line a report prepared by the Timothy Plan contains this rather bizarre comments:

    Army of Two: Homosexual Encounters: …Somewhat homo-erotic undertones between the two main characters are present.



    bizarre? I’ll say….

    Geez.. that game (sucked) was probably as anti gay as game characters could possibly be iirc. Totally OTT ‘super beefcake commando’ type characters with about as much emotional depth as a sausage.

  150. Bennett Beeny says:

    They were deeply in the closet – so they would pretend (even to themselves) that they were ‘real’ men.  It’s the same with GoW and GoW2 – all those characters are so deeply ensconced in that closet that they have to talk in really gruff voices, work out all the time and whack each other on the back really hard in order to get those touches that they need of another guy’s bod.

    As one reviewer put it: ""Power fantasy, with two men… in leather…. with bedazzled guns, who go shopping after every mission???

  151. Secre says:

    As a christian myself, I must say, these people give real christians a bad name.  I’m insulted that they’re using the title of "Christians" at all.  God never said to condemn homosexuality.  He’ll decide what happens to every soul, gay or straight, not these assholes.

    People like that piss me off.

  152. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    "Anybody who considers homosexuals as sub-humans doesn’t deserve to live."

    Fucking seconded, dude. There’s a girl I’m friends with who is a lesbian. She’s actually quite nice.


    "Game on, brothers and sisters." -Leet Gamer Jargon

  153. Anthrax says:

    Anybody who considers homosexuals as sub-humans doesn’t deserve to live. This organisation is full of shit and I pity anybody who listens to them.

  154. CyberSkull says:

    Wow, did they even play Silent Hill 5? They keep referring to the enemies as "zombies".

    Left 4 Dead wasn’t offensive enough to rate a description. My Mom certainly doesn’t like it.

  155. Nekowolf says:

    I haven’t played it, but from what I understand of it, it’s a bit of both.


  156. Derovius says:

     No, its pretty much creationism. Natural-selection may come into play if you really suck at the game and your little buddies get wiped out.

  157. gamegod25 says:

    Like they said in the commercial, it’s more like creatoultion-ism. Yeah you are designing them but as you get new and better parts they evolve sharper teeth, faster legs, etc.

  158. GTCv Deimos says:


    PS: not ragging on local homosexuals… I just think it’s funny when people say [WHAT WHAT?] "in my butt"

  159. ZippyDSMlee says:

    If they were between wemon would anyone care?

    This is almsot as bad as gay male group complaining about lesbeains…. heres a thought…let the parents guide the kids as they mature….they’ll find out sooner or later…about the brids and the bees and the thigns inbetween….

    I is fuzzy brained mew =^^=
    (in need of a bad overhaul)

  160. PoisonedV says:

    How the fuck is this related to gays complaimimh about lesbians?
    And yes, if it were about women, they would care just as much.

    FOX News and Mass effect?

    stop your stupid extending-(il)logic and bullshit claims, i’ve been seeing it all over the comments

  161. VideolandHero says:

    The Timothy Plan can take it’s "conservative Christian" bullshit and shove it.

    — Official Protector of Videoland!

  162. Flamespeak says:

    If they are giving out negative points for homosexuality in video games, Enchanted Arms better be on that list.

  163. koichan says:

    Argh! don’t remind me

    Most outrageously over-camp character in anything… *ever*

    Even Gay friends of mine were embarrassed by that game

  164. DeepThorn says:

    Hahaha, Final Fantasy characters too, haha….

    Lets see what this A-hole says in 50 years, wait, he will prolly be dead by then, nevermind.  The world is shifting to accept gays, even one of the most religious countries in the world, the US.  (How the heck is the US one of the most religious countries in the world anyways…)

  165. sortableturnip says:


    If I had been drinking anything, my work computer would have been rendered useless

  166. Mr. Peacock says:

    "Stuart, do you know what the queers are doing to our soil!"

    Ok now that I got that out of my system I have to wonder how exactly are they morally responsable.  I know that my morals appear to be vastly different from theirs.  Makes me think of the Princess Bride "You keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means."

  167. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    Hey, reading the site. I found this on the second page of their Hall of Shame. It looks like they tried to embed a link somehow. But I can’t seem to find what the hell they’re talking about. Anyone else having any luck with it?

    If you are offended by our conservative Christian views, please

    read why we are avoiding such pesky nuisances.



  168. Cecil475 says:

    http://www.timothyplan.com/ WEBSITE RATINGS

    Homophobic Fearmongering: Strong homophobic labling of situations between two or more people of the same gender. ‘Morally Responsible’ and ‘Morally Superior’ Individuals like the readers of this website, should keep their children from seeing any of the content in the games that are labled as ‘GAY & LESIBIAN’ or they might become gay or lesibians themselves, and in that case, disown and cut ALL ties with them. It is the ‘Morally Responsible’ thing to do.


     – Warren Lewis

    R.i.P GamePolitics 2005-2016

  169. State says:

    If the group want to talk about perceived homo-eroticism then perhaps they should read their own book, The Bible it’s full it.

    Male homosexuality is nothing to be worried about it games because it rarely exists, due to the fact that it is likely to upset all the teenage boys that play the games and could affect profits. Female homosexuality exists merely as titillation and is a big marketing tool likely to pull in quite a few adolescent males. Taking a sample of the reponses to the article prove these points.

    I would have to say that sexual content in games (such as GTA4) is fairly mild compared to what can be seen in similar rated films. The sexual content in GTA4 is nowhere near the strength seen in a film such as Basic Instinct for instance, and the fact that some porn films receive R ratings shows the amount of content that is allowed in films when compared to that in games.

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