"Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in Games

December 2, 2008 -

The Timothy Plan, a Florida investment firm which bills itself as "conservative Christian," is warning holiday-shopping parents away from what it calls the 30 "most offensive" video games.

While the usual suspects (GTA IV, Saints Row 2, Blitz the League II) make the list, there are some surprises as well, including the T-rated Bully: Scholarship Edition and World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade.

In its game rankings, the organization displays an obvious anti-gay bias. While it evaluates titles for sex and nudity, a gay/lesbian rating is also included, meaning that a game with a gay sexual encounter might get a double whammy when compared to a game where the sex is of the straight variety. This effect, for instance, pushes Fable II onto the group's most offensive list. Along that line a report prepared by the Timothy Plan contains this rather bizarre comment:

Army of Two: Homosexual Encounters: ...Somewhat homo-erotic undertones between the two main characters are present.

WoW made it onto the dirty thirty, thanks to a high "addiction" rating as well as a high rating for alcohol use (curse you, Noggenfogger elixir!).

How the group determined the addiction rank is really quite unfathomable. WoW received a 3, for example, the worst possible rating, while Lord of the Rings Online got a 1 and Age of Conan a 2. In fact, all of the MMOs were tagged for addiction as well as some multiplayer games like Halo 3. A few games (The Darkness, Devil May Cry 4) were punished for "demonic" references.

Timothy Plan president Art Ally (left) comments:

Many, if not most, parents who buy their kids video games really don't know the extent of sex and violence imbedded in them. From drug use, prostitution, murder and mayhem to vulgar profanity and blasphemy these games have become a powerfully negative influence on our kids...

 

I believe, if parents would take a moment to look at the report we've created, their game selections would be quite different.

The group maintains a corporate "hall of shame" which includes game publishers EA, Take-Two and Microsoft. The Timothy Plan also offers to screen your portfolio to see if any of your mutual funds have investments in shameful companies.

So helpful!

Document Dump: Get the Timothy Plan's game score card here. The group's press release with holiday shopping warnings is here.

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

I don't give a shit weather or not he ever lays a hand on anyone the rest of his life.  It's just too perfect not to make an example.  He displays intolerance of the views of those he's pissed at for being intolerant of the views of other people.  Fuck his threat, it's his head that's empty. 

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

Yet you're intolerant of our intolerance as well. Welcome to the Shithead club, your shirt is in the mail.

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

Sorry shit stain, close but no cigar.  I never claimed to be tolerant.  I also never said being intolerant makes you a shithead, simply being a hypocrite does.  He was, and he is.  I am proud that you are trying to have a thought but you missed it by that much.

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There is so much one-sided hatred on this page.  Thank you for your intelligence.  Refreshing.  :)

What I don't understand is, if they disagree with the Guide because it is intolerant - why not use it for their personal tolerant shopping guide?  It can be used both ways.

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Is there a die-hard Christian in the audience? I need an answer to a question that has been plaguing me for the longest time... If I sound offensive, I don't mean to. This is a serious question.

Why do Christians pick and choose what to take from the Bible? I don't get it. There are some passages in the Bible that are so completely ludicrous, ignorant, and irrelevant of society today that it's scary. Stuff like... 
"Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says." (1 Corinthians 14:34)
"But if ... evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones..." (Deuteronomy 22:20,21)
"If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched." (Mark 9:43)
"And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat." (Leviticus 26:29)

I mean, I don't get why you guys pick and choose which Bible verses are relevant today and which aren't. I mean, apparently because it's in the Bible, homosexuality isn't okay, but even though cannibalism is said to be just fine in the Bible, you don't see any Christians eating eachother. It's just all so contradictory and somewhat hypocritical.

I don't get religion.

Also, it seems like we do have another JT on our hands. Men, to arms! I want full background checks on this guy.

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I think Mark's supposed to be metaphorical, somehow. Don't know about the others.

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Before I get into details here is the short verion: Duh, M rated games aren't for kids.

now for the long version:

As a Christian myself and a long time gamer, i agree, this list is just dumb.

I, for one, am tired of every goup out there trying to come up with their own list of 'most offensive game ever!!!' and then they go on to cite how an M rated game is damaging to children and how nobody tells the parents how violent and gory the game is. The rating of M should clue you in on that fact.

Pretty soon they're going to have to include red warning lights and flashing strobe lights with sirens built into the box that way parents can't miss these horrible games. With all these groups and individuals complaining about parents not doing their job the one thing that I have failed to see them bring forth is any kind of valid, factual statistic or study showing there is a mass problem of parents buying young children M rated games. everyone just ASSUMES this as a fact. You can't count the young adults (15ish-17) as at that point you should start giving them some resposibility and kids tend to start acting mature at different ages. i'm talking about the real root of the controversy, that kids that are way too young to be playing these games actually ARE playing these games without the parents knowing how violent and gory they are. Some parents actually don't care and you will never fix that because that is simply how they choose to live their life and raise their child. If the neglect is bad enough then child services may have to step in but you can't blame that on the gaming industry.

On a side note: When I was younger, at our youth Bible studies, after we were done we'd get some 4 player halo matches going. ahh, good times :)

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

I'm surprised that Enemy Territory: Quake Wars wasn't even present in the list. (I only played the demo)

Whenever I heard the medic healing speech, I felt like a muscular arm would touch me in a sensitive way any minute.

These guys are crazy!

How does any straight man dislike Yuri?

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

How much you wanna bet that Art Ally (hey, that sounds like a videogame character or mascot name) has a lot of skeletons in his closet?

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

I am the only one that's amazed by Manhunt 2s low point on the list? I figured it would be way, way higher?


Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

It does seem odd. But when you consider that these folks apparently consider homosexuality as the greatest threat then Manhunt doesn't seem so bad by comparison to other games.

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Clearly you haven't seen the Danny/Leo subtext in the game (not to mention some of the comments made by the pervs). Homosexual undertones are rampant, trust me.


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the world would be like care bears.

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

Ok, why the hell is Sims 2 not on that list?  It has gay sex, adoption and marriage (they call it a union, I believe, but it's functionally the same thing with the same animations and everything), necrophelia (you can have zombie or vampire sims and they can have sex with regular sims), incest (the game forgets about blood relations if a child is taken away by social services and adopted by another sim family), adultery (and you can even get points for it!), poorly disguised drug use... um.. what else?  Oh, and sims can fervently wish for each other's deaths and are rewarded if you make it happen.  And university student sims can get better grades from sleeping with profs.  Really, as Christian morals go, it's WAY worse than pretty much any game there.

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And you can become a criminal too!

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Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

Yep, with no repercussions whatsoever.  In fact, it's presented as a perfectly valid -- and even lucrative -- career choice!

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

Because the Sims 2 is old.

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

But there's a new one coming out soon, and a lot of people still play it, so it should be on their radar.

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Won't somebody PLEASE think of the CHILDREN?!

-Give me a break.

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Florida? Conservative Christian? White hair? Involved in a firm? Attacking video games?

Holy shit, fellow gamers. Jack Thompson is making a clone army. Or reproducing asexually. Or using supernatural powers to control the bodies of America's suits. Or flushed down the toilet.

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Very funny

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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The funny thing is that a typical fundie's gay hate stems mostly from Bible's book of Leviticus Deoteronomy. I'm not even sure why they're so focused on those books, given that they're in the Old Testament and Christians are supposed to be following the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament. The OT is strictly Hebrew tradition - the only reason I had to take it up in theology class was as a form of socio/anthropological analysis of the society Chrisianity was coming from. My proffs had vocally stated it would be plain impractical and inhumane to even try to implement them (especially since a lot of the college proffs were gay as well).

More importantly however, along that tract about gays being an "abomination," Leviticus also states that eating shellfish is sinful, and that adultery is punishable by stoning to death. Given how so many of these right-wing gay haters have divorced on more than on occasion (hear that, Newt Gingrich?), which is considered adultery according to, I see these people as nothing more than self-absorbed bigots attempting to candy-coat their hate with their pathetic understanding of a religion, always willing to twist the old teachings to push their own agenda.

To have them call you a heathen who doesn't believe in the same brand of religion as them is almost a mark of honor.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

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 But BUT you don't understand we are selective see this chapter is about stuff I don't like so I follow it but this next one you know the one were I can't lay with anyone else well that is OT and frankly I'm a Christian and I follow the NT unless of course the OT has stuff in it I want to use to push my f'ed up beliefs.  See isnt the world grand.

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I wonder if they have a list for books.

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

Probably but amidst the 'harmless' childrens books and all seven(? I lost count) Harry Potter books, The Bible is most likely absent from the list...

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Epic Fail

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin

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"Army of Two: Homosexual Encounters: ...Somewhat homo-erotic undertones between the two main characters are present."

I'd never heard of the "Army of Two: Homosexual Encounters" edition. How does it vary from other versions?

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Oh, maybe it's for female gamers.  Female gamers don't get enough shooting game appeal to them so they decided to throw in some Yaoi and Shonen-Ai content.  We all know that girls love game that has 2 guys getting at it, maybe this Army of Two game will get the girls liking this game.

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Ever hear of Duel Love?

Calm down it sarcasm, and yes I heard of Dual Love

 

Calm down I know they are games that appeal to girls.  I was making sarcasm about the Army of Two: Homosexual edition.  I was making that association that they are not enough shooting game that appeals to girls, hence the play on Army of two thing.

 

Yes, I did heard of Duel Love, went to youtube and found out it's a bit too much for a guy like me.  I wish they could make a shooter game that appeals to girls. But the idea of Army of Two: Homosexual edition make me laugh and I decided to well, let associate that shooting game to girls.

 

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In this version, the two men are Bert and Ernie.

:P

L)

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If only there was some kind of...  I don't know, body or agency that could look at all the games before they're released, judged what kind of age groups they're suitable for, and then put some kind of easy to understand label on all the games so people know what kind of content they contain.  That way America's very responsible parents could see that label and know immediately whether a game is suitable for their kids.

Jesus, why the hell doesn't someone put a system like this in place?  If they don't, ignorant fucktards might start thinking that a;ll games are made for children, even the ones full of violence, swearing, and adult situations, and that would SUCK!

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lol

It is called the ESRB in America.

And they did use the ESRB ratings in the games they mentioned,

Kinda defeating the purpose there from that Christian Groups point of view.

They designed a table to help parents when already all they needed to do was to inform about the ESRB that it is already in place and has always been there since the mid90s.

 

It is almost as silly as the Australian Politicians who said that we need ratings on Videogames when there has already been one in the first place.

 

TBoneTony

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You are completely alien to even the NOTION of sarcasm, aren't you?

Re: "Morally Responsible" Investment Firm Goes Gay Bashing in

Also bashing Homosexuality in Videogames is Homophobia.

Thankfully there are the younger generation of people who don't mind homosexuals and I have got a cousin who is a Homosexual.

At the youth events that my group hold every few months we have signs saying

"This is a youth event where we won't tollerate Sexism, Recism and Homophobia."

So yeah, as it is basicly saying, if any Extreme Christian groups have anything wrong with Homosexuality, then you are not welcome at our events.

Also Videogames have got a good reason to try and explore topics such as Sex, Race and Homosexuality as it is perfictly stated within the 1st Admendment of the US Constitution, Freedom of Speech and Expression.

Unfortunately many minority extreme Christian groups will never understand that.

Lets hope that in the next 50 years that attitudes change and the world is a more understandable place for Homosexuals.

TBoneTony

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bashing Homosexuality in Videogames is Homophobia

no shit, Sherlock.

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Enopuraging parents to do their research by making up a bunch of bullshit and publishing it in a slick PDF. Yeah, that speaks of pure chritian Morality all the way. Who would've expected a religious organization to twist the truth and lie to people in order to get them to do something?

Seriously, though, where did they get the info that you can smoke and get addicted to cigarettes in Fallout 3? Or that you can use drugs and alcohol in Bully? ..or that any game with Multiplayer is 'HIGHLY ADDICITIVE'?

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if they found out about the child killing mod for fallout3 then there heads would aspload.

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Hey, if you don't like the M rated or T rated videogames, then just buy the E rated games and the E10+ games that are suitable for everyone...

I don't think I need to say anything more than that.

TBoneTony

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Wasen't it also the Conservative Christians who were also offended by Pokemon and Spore because of Evolution themes?

I kinda thought they could have also made the list.

I remember almost 10 years ago there was a large scale moral panic because of Pokemon.

Kinda makes you feel that these minority Christian groups who pass judgement over other people kinda don't like it when people pass judgement over them.

TBoneTony

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:: Notices the parroted false claim of "gay sex" in Bully.  Shakes head in disgust at the immorality of such an organization's false claim.  Starts wandering away with part of a song on my lips.  ::

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As a christian myself, I must say, these people give real christians a bad name.  I'm insulted that they're using the title of "Christians" at all.  God never said to condemn homosexuality.  He'll decide what happens to every soul, gay or straight, not these assholes.

People like that piss me off.

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Wow, did they even play Silent Hill 5? They keep referring to the enemies as "zombies".

Left 4 Dead wasn't offensive enough to rate a description. My Mom certainly doesn't like it.

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Anybody who considers homosexuals as sub-humans doesn't deserve to live. This organisation is full of shit and I pity anybody who listens to them.

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Nothing spreads tolerance like wishing death on groups of people.

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Amen.

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"I'm sure we all agree that we ought to love one another, and I know there are people in the world who do not love their fellow human beings, and I hate people like that!" -Tom Lehrer

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Tom Lehrer is awesome.

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