PS3 Home Launches Tomorrow... Can it Compete with XBL?

December 10, 2008 -

Sony will launch the beta version of PlayStation Home, its long-awaited PS 3 online service, beginning tomorrow.

PS Home would appear to be Sony's long-overdue riposte to Microsoft's popular Xbox Live service, which has been building a strong user base since the days of the original Xbox. Home takes a decidely different approach to its user interface, however. The service will function as a virtual 3D world along the lines of Second Life. Users will have individual avatars as well as personal spaces called "apartments" which can be decorated.

A company press release describes Home as:

...a ground-breaking 3D social gaming community available on PS3 that allows users to interact, communicate and share gaming experiences... Within PlayStation Home, users can create and customize their own unique avatars and explore the virtual community in real time where they can communicate freely through text or voice chat.

 

PlayStation Home users will not only be able to enjoy variety of entertainment content such as mini-games, videos and special events along with their friends, but will also be able to create their own community by using the “Club2” feature to create clubs with other PlayStation Home users who share the same interests. PlayStation Home also allows groups of users to launch directly into their favourite online games together from PlayStation Home.

VentureBeat's Dean Takahashi, who participated in Home's closed beta, writes:

Home is different from Second Life and World of Warcraft. Unlike those fully-built worlds, Home isn’t really a world. It’s more like a series of virtual spaces. If you want to visit your own personal apartment, where no one can visit without your permission, then you teleport there. If you want to go to the central plaza, you teleport there. Same goes for the bowling alley or the bar from the game Uncharted. You’re free to decorate your home as you wish. If you want to listen to music, you can walk up to a jukebox...

In the movie theater, you can go into a room and see what’s playing. You can actually watch that movie with your avatar in a social setting, making comments about it that others in the theater can see. That turns movie-watching into an online social experience. There is a profanity filter, and Home will be compliant with the PS 3’s own parental controls.

GP: The Home launch is a critical step for Sony and the PS3. Let's hope that they get it right. However, as a PS3 owner who tries to stay optimistic (Sony doesn't make this easy), I am concerned about the PS Home press release (I'm looking at the SCEE version), which devotes several paragraphs to the marketing of virtual crap for avatars. For example:

Thanks to Diesel, avatars can look great from the start with Diesel offering the latest men’s and women’s designer avatar clothing, with items ranging from free of charge to €1.50...


PlayStation®Home gives everyone their own apartment to spend time in and entertain friends - who will now be able relax on exclusive Ligne Roset furniture. At the virtual store, people will be able to choose from a selection of the most popular Ligne Roset designs...

 

A selection of virtual Watchmen merchandise e.g. T-Shirts with the smiley face logo, Doomsday clocks and character statues, will also be available in the New Year...

Meh.

XBL got it right by making an easy-to-use, pleasant gaming environment. Sony really needs to focus on its core gamers with PS Home. Everything else is just a distraction.

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Re: PS3 Home Launches Tomorrow... Can it Compete with XBL?

I also noticed the lack of commenting on the game spaces.  Uncharted and Farcry are out with Warhawk and a couple others no doubt along the way.  It'll be interesting to see what developers come up with for game spaces.

Nevertheless, Home still has a LONG way to go... which is why it's still being labeled "beta."  More bowling lanes, pool tables, chess tables, etc. will definitely be needed as people wait in line for just a handful of spots.

The mini-games are pretty good... great way to get weird junk too... especially the Echochrome stuff.

I haven't been able to log into Home today... so we'll see what changes to the Central Plaza and other places they've made... I'll have to wait until after work.

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I have to say that this is the first time that I have had to wonder if GP was throwing out troll bait.  But that is because this article seems to be innaccurate.

Home does not compete with XBL.  PSN competes with XBL.  Not as well as I would like, but it does.  Nothing I have seen on the 360 would be considered a social networking application, which is what Home is.  Granted the 360 works a lot better at social interaction while gaming in general.  So, perhaps you could say it is another aspect of the PSN to help compete with XBL. 

And it seems that people keep forgetting that you do not have to use Home.  It is an option, not an involuntary change to your user interface.  If it doesn't even seem appealing to you it won't even take up space on your hard drive.  The way people make it sound you would think it was equivelant to Second Life replacing Windows or something. 

I am truly surprised to see GP complaining about voluntary microtransactions in such a harsh way.  They are voluntary vanity purchases, and nothing more.  None of these purchases will affect the actual gameplay (for lack of a better term) in Home.  You can never pay a dime and still use its basic functionality of meeting up with people, launching into games, and playing mini-games.  I mean, is it really that troubling that Sony recognizes some people will pay for worthless crap and set up a system to allow them to do that, while keeping all their base features free?  I mean, it isn't like they are making you pay just to use a required service.

Personally, unless some of the mini-games are fun or I am trying to meet up with people I already know I doubt I will use Home much.  I am not big on social networking, and have no clue why my wife loves Facebook.  It is pointless for my needs, but that doesn't mean I am going to hate on it before it even comes out fully.  I was in the closed beta and I am still reserving judgment until I see the full thing today.

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Thats what seperates itself from Home.  While Home can cater to just you, you'll feel obligated to show it off to friends and such...and start wanting to hang out with them virtually...and eventually start paying for clothing and junk that makes you feel like you.  this should just be like a seperate game.

It is a separate game, most people won't even realise that it exists as it is discreetly put in a menu (like the PSN shop etc), unlike the NXE which is mandatory. Sony aren't forcing people to have Home, rather it is an optional extra. After being on the closed beta I saw more use for it than the 360 avatar system. For MS to criticise Home as being outdated is rather hypocritical as their NXE doesn't add much to what existed before.

The PS3 experience doesn't change after Home whereas the 360 experience does after the NXE update.

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I am concerned about the PS Home press release (I'm looking at the SCEE version), which devotes several paragraphs to the marketing of virtual crap for avatars.

MS have been screwing us for gamerpics and themes for ages, guess Sony saw the pie and wanted a piece. At least anything you want will be charged in real money, not MS Monopoly notes.

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So its a virtual myspace...

And here I though Home was going to be something worthy.

 

I know the 360 avatar update was okay, and right now feels much better than Home.  It's only mandatory to make one but even then you can just pick a premade one.  The Avatars is just there for you.  You aren't catering to everyone or something like that...just you.  The only thing it lacked was custom colors... 

Thats what seperates itself from Home.  While Home can cater to just you, you'll feel obligated to show it off to friends and such...and start wanting to hang out with them virtually...and eventually start paying for clothing and junk that makes you feel like you.  this should just be like a seperate game.

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I tried the beta for it and it seemed pretty cool. But I doubt I will spend much time using the program.

It does remind me of a program I used many years ago when I was a Teenager. My mom was using it to meet people. It was similiar in the fact that you walked around in different 3d rooms and talked to people from around the world. I think she met my stepdad on it. Home seems like a updated version to that. So I would not say its so groundbreaking.

I have bets going with some friends that eventually it will be in the news that some kids are going to be caught playing the game but using it for purposes other then just chatting. Cybersex or people going after children. And the complaints will raise about the evils of video games.

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I'm already in the beta and ready for tomorrow's launch of the open beta

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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Time named home in the top ten gadgets of 2008 (at number 10).

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2008/top10/article/0,30583,1855948_186...

Anyway I really don't see the point of Sony charging us money for things, I mean it better be cheap, like a quarter for a pool table you put in your house cheap.

Here's hoping it's great and doesn't nickel and dime us too much.

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Hey if the pool table is actually a game you can play with friends, I see no problem charging $5 for it. IF it is only for show, then a quarter would be fine.

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That's what I meant a fully functioning pool table, although I'd only pay a quarter because I'm currently broke. I guess $5 would be ok if I had the money.

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It's big business, of course they're going to nickel and dime every cent they can get out of ya.

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This really doesn't matter to me since I don't own a PS3, the lack of any backwards compatablity was a huge turn off.

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It sounds a bit like Cybertown really.  I havn't read if they let you create your own 3-D objects or not(I doubt it) but if they do it might be nearly exactly like Cybertown.

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How is this political game news agian?

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And it's sure to be a popular hangout for terrorists or somehow be responsible for the downfall of society one of these days

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Dennis reports on a lot of social issues that aren't really political. Don't let the name of the site govern what you think should be posted. Dennis doesn't.

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A large free V world as an alertive to PSN, its news worthy for the huge revune potinal it can tap and as a frist for a console.
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Home and IMVU are pretty close.  Home is basically a 3D chat program as well.

It's got some interactivity, you can play pool or bowling in theory (but these are limited resources and there's no queueing system).  There's some virtual game consoles (same problem.. good luck getting on one). 

There's the cinema, which shows game trailers at low resolution, and won't go fullscreen.  Then the other area is the shop,  where you pay for decorating your virtual space (which was free during the beta.. TBH none of it is worth paying for).

The ability to start games from it isn't implemented yet (needs to be implemented by the game), and some of the more interesting stuff demonstrated at GDC about 18 months ago isn't there, like TVs and picture frames.. I think they cut a lot out to meet the deadlines.

There are also plans for game specific spaces - I believe the Japan one had something being tested.. the european had nothing and was bare.

 

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Sony is done for in the gaming market. They are just too far behind and keep pumping out ridiculous trash. Microsoft has already won the core gamer market by making Live easy and intuitive and pricing the Xbox reasonably. Nintendo dominates the casual market with the Wii and DS. Sony is left trying to pull in every direction at once - jack of all trades, master of none.

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I wouldn't call them dead per say.  I have all three of the new systems, and will admit that the PS3 is the least played except for music and movies, but it does still have some gems that make it worth buying (Uncharted, Little Big Planet, Wipeout HD, Metal Gear Solid 4, etc.)

I view the issues they are having is a direct result of their blatant superiourity complex that they had during the PS3 development and early life-cycle.  Directly telling people that they "will" happily work multiple jobs, and give up other things just to afford this insanly expensive piece of equipment with, at the time, questionable and untested Blu-Ray technology built in.  I admit to being VERY angry after spending the money for the system and then finding that it didn't even come with HD cables, and after that finding requiring HDMI for proper upscaling.  Little things like that drove me nuts.  Now that Blu-Ray has won the "HD DVD Format War" the system itself it looking better, but then they just up and removed all backwards compatibility for PS2 games when they already had it down to software instead of hardware anyways makes me question some of their decisions.  I've likened them more to Nintendo in it's treatment of people during the N64 days where they were so sure of their ability and market share, that they squandered it all off and lost so many of their key players like Square and many others.  Hopefully Sony will recognize this and get their crap together within the next generation or two.  I'll still play my PS3, but I find it hard to get others to join in as well. 

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The 360 for all intensive perpouses is todays PS2, while the PS3 is more like the Xbox limited due to devs and price, the WII is in its own world ruling over the other 2. The reason I call the 360 the PS2 of today it has the most "whole games" on it pushes alot of software...even if its not quite as much as the WII but the WII is a phenomenon thats become its own fad it really needs another year or 2 to grow its library to become more than the N64 was at least IMO its a great lil system but very quirky  the PS360 are more traditional systems but due to production focus have lost much ground.

I am not thrilled or fond of this 7th generation of gaming its like a rebeling shallow twenty something who lost 60 IQpoints from a smart and witty 16yr to a trned chasing mindless tween in thier 2x's..... I can only hope the 8th generation will be out of rehab and cleaned up...


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That is pretty much why I don't ever plan on purchasing a PS3. I was a huge PS1 and PS2 fan. But now, I plan on making a Wii my next console.

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I boughy mine because of MGS4 and Little Big Planet...both of which took forever and were delayed after I paid for the system.  I do like that I have backwards compatibility though since I just play my PS2 games on it most of the time. (I need to finish Final Fantasy XII lol).

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I am intrigued by LBP. But it is not enough to make me want to get one. There aren't really any other games I would seriously buy. I don't have an HDTV so Blu-ray isn't a selling point. So why pay $400-500 to play my PS2 games?

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In your case I would agree completely.  We play the Wii a bunch in the house since the Gamecube is in my office, I just need to pull the game and memory card and walk into the living room with the big screen HDTV and surround sound to enjoy it with the family.  I can do the same, to a point, with the PS3 adn Xbox360, but not without some hastle on both parts and extra equipment.  Playing thru Beyond Good & Evil for GCN at the moment.  But if you do get a Wii, for your own sake, buy Zak and Wiki.  Underappreciated and hillarious game.  Plus we can swap friend codes if you like. 

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That is actually one of the first games I will be getting. It looks like such a fun game. You got a deal with the Friend code.

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...PSN is jsut about as polished as live is Home is a optional extra thing, bascily a free MMO/V-world you can buy nit nacks for.....and in this disposable consuemr enviroment its prefect as a revunve soruce..


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I've been in the beta for it for a bit now and have had some issues with it.  I do like the "group" aspect of it a bit, but it hasn't really been working as a gaming social network as much as it tries to emulate real life in some ways.  You have to download a location when you first visit it instead of just downloading the whole thing and going from there.  I'm sure this helps with seperate updates, but also made it frustrating my first few times where I had to just get up and walk away from the PS3 each time I tried to go somewhere new. The 2 other main issues I had with it was the "distance based" speach and type (this caused me to turn the sound off and send my son out of the room because I was stuck in a pool game and couldn't find a way to both mute people that were saying some horrible things just a few feet from the table, as well as what they and the rest of their group were typing to eachother and everyone around them) and that if you try and play an arcade game, pool, or something of it's like you have to freaking WAIT IN A REAL LINE!  Why can't I just walk up to it, select it, and start playing.  It makes no sense in a server based environment to only allow a single instance of a given item when so many people are there. I think a few people realized this, took up the games, and then walked away so no one else could play for all I know.  I'm looking forward to see if they can move it forward at all, but with ads EVERYWHERE, peoples need to be grotesque to the point I have to have my kids leave the room in fear of what people will start spouting or typing out, and "real life" limitations being stuck to a server based environments...I'm not holding my breath to hard. 

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Do you have to put your dollar on the table to hold your place too? I can't wait to experience that.

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As far as I know tis free you get a basic aparment between achivements and other things you can get stuf for it but for the msot part you'll be spending money to get stuff if you want stuff.
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IT was a crack at the wait time to play pool not the over all Home experience.

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Wow how old are you? who plays pool anymore?  :P
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There are 2 pool halls down the road from me.  I've been to the one a couple times, though rarely.

...They've been there for a long time so I doubt business is slow with them...

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Walk into your average Sports bar in the UK and ask that question...

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We use to have a pool hall/arcade in town........ they closed it down due to acoupel pot smokers >>
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Home is going to be a relatively pristine environment, IE very limited user content, word filtering and voice chat only works between friends or can easily be turned off, it’s not going to be like 2nd life as there is really no user made stuff and if they do let it in it will all have to be authorized by a sony employee .

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Anyone who buys these online clothes and feeds the frenzy of microtransactions deserves to have their brains surgically removed.  When did it become okay to charge people for half a game at full price and ask them to pay for the rest of the content later?

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I really wish I knew where this "half a game" concept comes from.  When PC was the big market, NOBODY bitched about expansion packs.  Nobody.  They were just an understood aspect to the industry as a whole.  The initial product presented the idea and game.  The continued product refined the idea and focused the game while adding new experiences.  While some companies abuse this system (Namco, EA), there are other companies that as production winds down on the asset creation aspect, they put those workers onto additional content rather than all new game.  So while in 90% of the cases a final delivered product is in box, occassionally some companies hold stuff back.  Just because companies are developing content to add after ship date doesn't mean that content was removed.  It just means it was developed.  No studio has software that accepts an "add new shit" command to their game.  It costs money to make this additional content.

Also, I want to gripe at the people who are soooo offended by premium content like this or Little Big Planet.  It's like this, you're forced to pay what in regards to DLC?  That's right, nothing.  Meanwhile running the servers and maintenance on those servers and developing Home in general costs... GASP... money.  So this PREMIUM content is neither required nor hampering the experience.  Instead it's a way to throw money at a company or product you approve of.  In other words, it's like a voluntary Xbox Live.  If Amplitude features premium DLC, I'd have it all.  Instead Harmonix decided they didn't want to pay to run the servers anymore.

So cry, whine, complain... boohoo, poor you.  Or you could just shut the (expletive deleted) and not buy it.

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No need to recall gaming history to me; I was playing Hover Bover when Jeff Minter was still finding his feet.

Early PC gaming had modding communities and free downloads - there was none of this paying for extra content.  Map packs for Quake, Duke Nukem and others were free and often user generated with the backing of those that made the game.  So the reason noone bitched about them is often THEY WERE FREE!  Exceptions to this were official release add ons which were not required and usually single player.

The issue is that when you have an online community that is built up over time and then demand that someone pays for online content that you either buy or you are placed at a loss such as WoW, it is effectively blackmail.  Is it any wonder people are resentful?

The latest wave of these microtransactions are for almost useless content.  It is in my mind testing the water to see just what people will pay for.  Need for Speed Undercover is asking people to pay for content that is ALREADY in the game, not new content.  EA is basically asking people to pay for stuff you can unlock yourself.  This is really sickening to my mind.

Your argument about LittleBigPlanet is false for a start as it is user generated and free.  The content we are complaining about is the content you are asked or forced to pay for after having already purchased the game.   You bring up the notion that it is in someway expensive to host a server and running costs for things such as Home, well I should point out that the money from buying the console or game covers these costs.  In the case of WoW you pay for a subscription and they STILL ask you to buy extra content.  Is that fair too?

"So cry, whine, complain... boohoo, poor you.  Or you could just shut the (expletive deleted) and not buy it."

Any credibility your argument may have had went out the window with your last comment.

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"The latest wave of these microtransactions are for almost useless content.  It is in my mind testing the water to see just what people will pay for.  Need for Speed Undercover is asking people to pay for content that is ALREADY in the game, not new content.  EA is basically asking people to pay for stuff you can unlock yourself.  This is really sickening to my mind."

Actually this kind of stuff is the stuff that annoys me.  Which is why I don't support it.

Also, most of Little Big Planet is free, but you can buy premium sackboys.  People have complained about this.  I don't see why.  The game doesn't force you to log in with a premium sack boy before you can play online and likewise they give a large number of sackboys away for free.

And yes, it is expensive to run servers.  But I will ask this, your purchase of a game supports the servers holding nearly 200,000 custome levels for two years after the game was bought?  Mmmmm, no.  The premium content there is to help finance the long term community.  And you can opt out of it.

In the case of WoW I agree, actually.  Which is why I don't play subscription based MMOs.  Frankly I'm of the opinion that the subscription should cover the cost of the game.  You don't see Netflix asking you for $50 for a software package before you can start to pay them for the monthly fee.  As for me, I usually play the f2p mmos when I do them.  Community is less hardcore and if I like the game, I'll throw $10 here or there at the premium content.

And oh no, I lost credibilities on the internet.  However shall I recover?  No offense but that statement is as overused as lolcats.  I lost credibility for playing Gundam Musou, drinking sprite, drinking baileys irish creme, crossing the street inside a crosswalk, and mocking a persons death.  Somehow telling people to stfu over complaining about nothing concerns or easily avoidable concerns has me less concerned about credibility lost.

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My final comment on the subject of credibility was because it was unneeded and unwarrented.  This is a site where we share opinions, usually on politics.  For the most part, our opinions are shared with good grace and far more elequence than most of the internet.  If you really don't care about the argument, why comment in the first place?  This isn't 4Chan where trolling is nature, it is a well moderated and interesting site where discourse happens.  So yes, if you had to resort to just saying "shut the **** up" then you have lost credibility, regardless of whether or not you care.

 

Re: PS3 Home Launches Tomorrow... Can it Compete with XBL?

You just answered your own question, sport. Namco, EA and other companies that milk DLC content (which essentially unlocks things that are already on the disc) are where the "half-a-game" idea comes from. These aren't expansion packs, they're unlock keys to access the content you already own. Ever played Beautiful Katamari on the 360?

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You forget



1.       Games were developed and tested longer.



2.       Game were finished and polished on a average higher than today.



3.       A expansion did not finished unfinished design and balance issues of the game….



4.       Games are not patched now adays for balance, polish or missing sht they are patched to keep running so the DLC can mlk off the rep until consumers revolt and  no longer support the crap game.
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1.  Bzzzt, false.  On average game dev times have gotten longer, not shorter.  That's a big part of the problem with increased dev cost.

2.  Once again, another "retrotinted glasses" look.  The games were "finished and polished" to a higher degree because a game like Super Mario Brothers can be polished in a couple months.  Super Mario Galaxy could take over a year to tighten.  As games get more complex, what can go wrong in them increases tenfold.  After all, falling through portions of a stage was perfectly acceptable in Castlevania 2: Simon's Revenge and yet somehow something with much more ambition this becomes an unforgivable sin?

3.  You're right.  Patches did that.  I wonder what those things that download once every couple months on my console and PC games are called... oh yeah, patches.  Or title updates on 360... or updates on PS3.

4.  I remember my first patch vividly.  I was new to the whole 3D thing on PC and discovered my 4MB graphics card couldn't hold the textures for Tomb Raider despite claims to the contrary.  And then on a PC gaming mags CD I found an area named "patches" and found an entry there for Tomb Raider which "address incompatibility problems with early voodoo chipsets."  Suffice it to say, it fixed the issue.  I've also seen patches that have balance out damage ratios in SCIV and DOA.  So patches, when they were introduced, addressed both game glitches and balance issues.  Just as patches nowadays address both.

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yeah but as for point 3.. thats the issue..

 

consoles didnt used to have patches... so games WERE more polished and completed, because there was no chance to fix it. I personally feel that because patches are so accessible now, that the line of what is 'acceptable' for a release is being continually pushed the wrong way.

Re: PS3 Home Launches Tomorrow... Can it Compete with XBL?

Please reference Fable2. They do the same thing, provide half a game (the moral half, if you are evil, things don't get worse, they just stay the same), they deliver it broken, then hype the DLC it is getting, saying that it was always planned to have this DLC in the game. I understand that what they mean is they had planned to add onto the game, but it really feels like they left stuff out of the game and pushed it out the door broken so as to get to the DLC stuff quicker. Silly me, I just want it to work. How does it take so long to fix the game that they are having the first expansion done at the same time as the first patch to make the game playable?

Re: PS3 Home Launches Tomorrow... Can it Compete with XBL?

When the consoles created an online market place and went fuly casaul it rushed the mainstreamization of the indutry and ramped up development cycles to the point most devs make two games in a  3-5 year span instead of focusing on 1 polished product. The game market is based on a artfical profit bubble the way publishers push out under deved titles makes it clear it’s all about keeping up appearances  and not about the quality of the product and that’s the price of a casual market quality suffers so either more people can profit from it or a limited amount of mega publishers can monopolize it.


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Home is an interesting concept and frankly should do well in this mass disposable tween market…look at IMVU and Second life and any 2nd rate crappy MMO they have some form of backing because people are crazy and like plunking their time/money into silly things.



 



As for being in competition with LIVE…. I do not see it from my experience live is a GUI/interface for their marketplace and game community, home is a casual game extension of the interface hopefully optional because I don’t want it.



 



In the end it’s a added bonus for PSN and another revenue source for junk sales.
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Yeah... thank you. Second Life was the first thing I thought of too. lol

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IMVU is even more icky it’s a bad chat program with avatars focused on getting people to meet new people….I do not likez new people….



Anyway casual+dumb is always a winner in this market…
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MechaCrashHey Neo, that bit with "he instigated it"? That is called victim blaming. Stop it.10/25/2014 - 11:05pm
KronoAnd a rebuttal to that article: https://medium.com/@cainejw/an-actual-statistical-analysis-of-gamergate-dfd809858f6810/25/2014 - 9:42pm
Technogeekhttp://www.newsweek.com/gamergate-about-media-ethics-or-harassing-women-harassment-data-show-27973610/25/2014 - 8:54pm
TechnogeekAnd speaking of harassment and Gamergate, Newsweek had a social media analytics company analyze the hashtag in the interest of finding out what the movement was really about. The results should surprise absolutely nobody at this point.10/25/2014 - 8:54pm
Neo_DrKefkaI was called a traitor for speaking out on harassment and I was put on a list for people on twitter to mass report me. Only GamerGate site that has come out of this that has been reputable would be TechRaptor. 2/210/25/2014 - 7:09pm
Neo_DrKefka@Neeneko The reason why I ended my support of #GamerGate was the fact KingofPol (The guy who was sent the knife) ended up saying crap about those with autism. At this point I confronted the community and some big wig writers on the #GamerGate side. 1/210/25/2014 - 7:08pm
NeenekoIt would also mean they have to confront that the sites already mostly cater to them and wiping that small percentage of otherness just does not justify new sites.10/25/2014 - 6:55pm
Neeneko@ quiknkold - problem is it has never been about freedom, it is about dominance, ownership, and priviliage. women and minorities should be the ones leaving and creating their own spaces, not them!10/25/2014 - 6:54pm
Neo_DrKefka@Mecha I hear you about KingofPol this is a guy who is using GamerGate to boost his career. Most of his streams are crap about him talking about him being drunk. What happened to him was wrong but it doesn't change the fact he has instigated much of this10/25/2014 - 5:40pm
Craig R.And I'll be perfectly happy in never seeing the phrase 'false flag' ever again, as it is one of the worst notions to ever come out of the camp of the tinfoil brigade that is already completely overused.10/25/2014 - 3:50pm
Craig R.Gone for a week and come back to find GG didn't go away at all. Dammit.10/25/2014 - 3:48pm
Matthew Wilsonif they were serious, they would go to youtube. most youtube game reviewers tend to revew games as product, and tend leave social issues out of it.10/25/2014 - 1:42pm
quiknkoldif the gamergaters were serious, they'd realize that Kotaku and Polygon arent the only games in town, and that with the freedom of the internet, they could create their own websites and achieve the goals they are trying to achieve without arguement.10/25/2014 - 1:35pm
james_fudgehe should have called the police.10/25/2014 - 1:20pm
TechnogeekAt least my statement still holds if it does turn out to be a false flag.10/25/2014 - 1:03pm
NeenekoThough I admit, since doxxing and false flag where heavily used tactics of the GG supporters, while they are not historical tactics used by detractors, I am skeptical how much it is really 'both sides' doing it in any real volume.10/25/2014 - 1:01pm
NeenekoOne thing that makes all of this messy is 'false flag' is a serious concern here. It does not help that the original GG instigators were also known for doing elaborate false flags to discredit feminism themselves.10/25/2014 - 12:59pm
MechaCrashThe guy who got the knife is the one who advocated doxxing, by the way, and was getting court documents about Zoe Quinn so he could publicly post them. It doesn't make what happened to him right, but he deserves no sympathy.10/25/2014 - 12:42pm
TechnogeekNo, that's a pretty shitty thing to do and I fully support the responsible parties getting a visit from the relevant legal authorities.10/25/2014 - 12:17pm
Neo_DrKefkaSomeone anyone tell me how two wrongs somehow make a right? This is becoming exhausting and both sides are out of there minds!10/25/2014 - 11:40am
 

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