No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

December 13, 2008 -

The just-released PC version of Prince of Persia is free of DRM software, an increasingly rare circumstance in today's paranoid game publishing climate.

As Ben Kuchera of Ars Technica notes, PoP publisher Ubisoft has burned its customers badly in the past with flawed DRM implementations:

Assassin's Creed suffered from a shoddy PC port, and the game constantly tried to authenticate online, causing problems for players who bought the game. "The address is 216.98.48.53:3074 random local, 3 attempts every 75 seconds, registering to Ubisoft in Ontario. DRM messing with honest patrons again... as long as the game is running it will keep hammering away at that address," one forum member wrote. Gamers often had to shut off their Internet connection to play the game. 

So, what's up with the DRM-free PoP? Is it a holiday gift to consumers, or, as Kuchera suggests, a ready-made "we told you so" when the game is inevitably pirated:

Ubisoft has given itself an out whenever they're taken to task over DRM in the future. "We tried removing it, and we lost money!" will be an easy answer from now on. The remarks from the Community Manager already sound surly and antagonistic, as if the company is simply waiting to get ripped off to prove its own point

Ubisoft could let the pirates do their thing and remove the DRM without framing it as a challenge to the community—rarely is a pirated copy a lost sale—but that's asking a lot from an industry that continues to see its customers as guilty until proven innocent.

We note that Prince of Persia is getting good reviews. MetaCritic currently has the PC version of the game rated at 86/100.

GP: Noting that a game has no DRM and then getting suspicious of the publisher's motives is, admittedly, a bit like finding a $20 bill and worrying that it's counterfeit. Still, that's what the current DRM controversy has come to. I can't fault Ubi for releasing a DRM-free PoP and I can't fault Ben for his suspicions, either.


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Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

I need assistance in writing my academic papers on Computer games.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

For me, Piracy is a two fold issue.  DRM is one large component but the cost of games is the other.  People can argue all they want about the ethics of piracy, but the fact of the matter is that there are plenty of gamers out there who skimp and scrape to buy a $500 graphics card and have nothing left over to play the latest games.

Until they reign in the costs of the software, piracy will remain an issue.  I feel confident that if a big title like Prince of Persia was released DRM free and at $20 a copy for a new release (like most standard DVD's) that they could easily sell 3 for every 1 $60 copy of DRM infested crap they keep shoveling.

By the way, gogamer.com has an excellent deal on this new PoP release  $29.99

http://www.gogamer.com/Prince-of-Persia--I--for-PC-All-PC-Games_stcVVproductId58398049VVcatId444774VVviewprod.htm

I suggest supporting the Ubisofts experiment if you can.

 

My 2 cents.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

That's something else indeed, actually, that I forgot....it's a PC port of what is clearly designed as a console platformer. The sales figures are going to be crap anyhow.  Everyone who'd be interested in it almost certainly already has at least one of the consoles it's on.  I'm betting that a good fraction of the people who download the PC version are going to be people who can't get it any other way...for example, they're not in North America and have a months-long wait if their region is going to get it at all.

 

Then there's the fact, as the previous poster said, it's at the end of a major season for hot games...released at the very beginning of the end-of-the-year lull after everybody's spent their gaming budget.

 

Just for good measure, they might even drop in, not just the global downloads for PC Prince of Persia, the ones for the console versions as well.

 

For the record, Fallout 3's DRM is...a little bit annoying.  If you use a virtual CD program at all, it won't let you use the launcher, which is required to load extra data files, get into the more important video settings, and so forth. It doesn't care if the actual disc is in your actual DVD drive...if it detects any virtual drives, it'll spit an error message.

 

And no, piracy is NOT the only use for virtual drive software.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

that is an interesting question. I'd imagine if you contacted the publisher/dev, and had some irrifutable proof your legal copy of the game had perished due to old age, they'd sort you out. Or maybe i'm just niave (spell?)

 

I was only mildly interested in this New Prince Of Persia title (i enjoyed the last trilogy), but now thanks to this lack of DRM i'm relatively keen to support it (not that i've had noticeable trouble with drm in the past, still not stoked about it though).

 

Although, every review i've read basically states that the game is so dumbed-down that it practically plays itself, so on the other hand i'm not interested in playing a glorified casual game.

hmmm.... and i was originally gonna get it on the consoles....This is an odd situation. Now i know where Doopydoo22 is coming from. Heck, maybe i'll just get it coz i like the art direction.

 

I'm also worried that the fact that this game has been released at the very end of an INCREDIBLE season for gaming, people would have already spent their gaming budgets on earlier titles. i know i'm struggling to fit the last few titles in, i cant be the only one.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

Here's a hypothetical question:

Considering that CD's like all other things, age over time and can become unreadable, and considering that I have, according to the Software companies, purchased a license to play the game, not the CD's themselves, then doesn't that mean that, if I own a game and the CD's have degraded through use over the last decade to the point where they cannot be read properly any more, the right to download the game again? After all, I still own the license, even if the CD's themselves have degraded?

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I just moved to a new gaming rig.  I installed steam, waited a couple hours, and tada, all my games are on my new computer.  Didn't need to find the CD keys, didn't need to find discs; it was very convenient.

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Wow, that piracy article Jahkaivah linked to was INCREDIBLE! i implore all of you to read it, please.

 

Really nice find there, well done. Changed my view point of DRM completely....

 

here it is again if you are too lazy to look for his/her original post (which is only a few posts above mine anyway)

http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html

 

Makes me wish everyone in the industry and pirate bay would read it too.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

It does make interesting reading, I already knew that sites like Pirate Bay were far from non-profit organisations, and were probably lying about their income, but it's still a very good neutral view of the whole DRM fiasco.

As I said earlier, my biggest gripe is the 'remove/replace' disc routine that seems to need going through reguarly to get the system to accept that a game I paid for is actually legal, especially when I consider that Pirates don't have to put up with it.

DRM doesn't make life harder for the Pirates, only for the legitimate customers, pirates just strip it out or de-activate it and it's no longer a problem, yet I have to go through this routine whenever I want to play my game.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

im pretty sure that they will be suprised and find that the game was pirated no more than those games WITH DRM.

look at world of GOO .. 90% piracy rate..no DRM, BUT the developers themselves said even after analysing the figures, that DRM is pointless, as another game they released WITH DRM, (i think the game was 'ricochet'), had almost exactly the same % of pirated copies. In their opinion this shows how DRM has no effect. http://2dboy.com/2008/11/13/90/

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

Illicit copies are just a part of business, its almost a normal function of human society. IMO there is little you can do with no profit illicit copies and the programs that circumvent them because the mainstream will ignore them thus whatever harm is done is mitigated to the fringes of paying consumers.



Now in 20ish years or more when we have something akin to net police with the ability to properly track data and lean fines against internet consumers thats when things will change and the wild west of the net will become more tame.
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    I think publishers should reward legitimate buyers instead of punishing them to get at the pirates. Give legitimate buyers some free DLC, a nifty map, or a just downlaodable music or wallpapers from the game. All a legitimate user has to do is register with a code. Firts time buyer only. Buy used and you forego the little extra nick knacks. Simple right? I love dthe little paper hat that came with Order Up and the map that came with Oblivion.

   I hate to say this, bt SecuRom does nothing but piss pff legitimate buyer and put some off buying completely. I recently moves to consoles because of this. The pirates already know how to crack securom and any new system only has to be cracked once. After that any game that uses the new system will be cracked on day one.

   If SecuRom or Starforce lessened pirating then I would be all for it, but I doen't think it does. Pitares just laugh at the same old lock that they know how to break. Maybe what we need is an indeendent game authentication authority. One place that autenticates any and all PC games. They would keep track of your purchases and keep track of the number of times you install and uninstall each game.

No internet, then the friendly guy at the store will give a code that you will need to install the game. Maybe a phone call? All I am saying is find a better solution than this SecuRom crap. So far what I have seen has only made me spend my new gaming PC money on an HD TV, a Wii, and a 360.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

Partially off topic, Rock Paper Shotgun found out a very interesting article on the PC piracy debate:

http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html

Not saying its right nor am I saying its wrong. However I would be cautious if you are a Anti-DRM extremist as your views may be challenged.

More specifically take a look at its page on the specific types on DRM.

http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_9.html

If what it says about Starforce is true, I want it back.

 

Back on Topic: I personally find it odd that Ubisoft would compromise the sales of this game just to proove a point, though I would not be at all be surprised to learn that the game gets pirated less.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

Starforce was more problematic than any other DRM system, it really did lead to crashing and drive firmware eating, a game by itself being installed on a system by itself will not lead it to acting strangely.

 

Now I could agree that SF issues were exaggerated but frankly we need a better form of DRM that dose not involve online only and drivers.


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Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

Sad thing is, DRM has actually, on occasion, forced me to hunt down No-CD cracks, since my copy of Warhammer Battle March WILL NOT accept that the disc is an original, hasn't since the day I bought it. I never even knew where to find them before DRM existed, which is kind of ironic. Had the same problem with X3, but Egosoft were smart enough to remove the Securom after a while.

And it's that which really frustrates me about Securom, I don't believe that it is the Disk-Drive eating monster that people claim it is, but it is most certainly not 100% reliable when it comes to identifying legal discs. and that causes frustration purely for the legal purchasers of the game, I'm fed up with having to start the game, get a verification fail, remove the disc, re-insert the disc, start the game, get a verification error etc, and have to repeat the action about 5 times before the game actually accepts the legality of the disc.

 

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The only thing I do nto like about sicrom is the online only activation of it.
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Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

Man, it's obvious how this is all gonna play out... no matter what, ubisoft is gonna declare "victory" for their point of view that DRM is needed.

They will pull out bittorrent numbers and say "look, we took out DRM and the game got pirated thousands of times; obviously pirates don't care about DRM" and then they will go back to using DRM... however any INTELLIGENT person will take the time to COMPARE the torrent numbers with other hot games and such and find that Prince of persia was pirated only as much or less than other hot games; thus proving that DRM is worthless at halting piracy... and concsidering that the numbers will likely be much smaller than spore, it will also prove that draconian DRM only increases piracy rate... now that is a news story i will be waiting to hear

Really, they are idiots in their explainations. They say that they use DRM to make the game harder to pirate and thus save sales but fact of the matter is that piracy is a winner take all kind of game... it doesn't matter if one hacker breaks the drm or a thousand do, the piracy numbers will always be the same; if just one person breaks the code, the version of his game will be pirated out to every other pirate... in otherwords, the ONLY way to halt piracy is to make a game 100% hack proof, which all current DRM are a far cry from

 

All in all, they are either idiots for believing that DRM can combat piracy, or they are just being dishonest and hiding the REAL reason for DRM which is to do stuff like kill the games resale value and attack the used game market... you will never see them admit to that, but you know publishers do not like it when you resell a game you stop caring about

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

I encourage everyone to make posts about this unexpected event in as many communities as possible, especially in gamer based or oriented ones. I also suggest sending emails to mainstream media news venues informing them of this most consumer friendly gesture for the holiday season. It would be nice to see some serious positive news cycle coverage of this if only to embarrass EA and AB for the next week or so...  

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Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

When Spore came with DRM, EA made the mistake to basicly shout out "We have new security measures. They are harsh, tough, crappy and anti-consumers. We believe this will discourage pirates." And what happens?

Without official numbers, is it so far of a joke to say Spore was illegally downloaded more often than legally bought?

Ubisoft realizes that DRM-protected games are now invitations for pirates to pirate.

Yarrr hear me mateys, DRM be more of a harsh mistress than the internet-sea, yarrrrr!

 

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

It's a joke to say that, because loads of games are downloaded illegally more often than legally bought. It's a joke, because it's pointless.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

Sweet, Prince Of Perisa is full of win now.

Do you know how easy it is to get past the DRM?

Also even Spore is one of the most pirated games ever.

It's that easy.

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Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

Neat if my computer was better I would buy it. And I'm not a Prince of Persia fan, just a plug and play fan.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

My biggest gripe with DRM is the second hand programs it installs, and the install limits some have (ala SecuROM).

I remember having to deal with low space on my otherwise nice older PC. I had to pick and choose which games I put on it at a given time. I installed Rome: Total War on it 7 times, and Galactic Civ around 5. Good thing they didnt have SecuRom, or they would be usless by now. If I pay you $60 for a game, I am not paying you to rent it.

Also stop trying to smuggle in random crap that slows down my computer D= 

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

Having to make a short phonecall is hardly what I'd call "useless". Did it ever occur to you, that maybe, just maybe, criticism of this DRM gets ignored by the companies, because most people don't even bother to whine about the DRM that's actually in place but instead go on ranting about some insane hellish freak-DRM that only exists in their mind?

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

even if the phonecall lasts less than 5 minutes.. why should i have to pay a premium rate number (EAs is overa  dollar a minute) to prove to somebody i have bought the game legit?

and then wait up to TEN DAYS (yes 10 days with my mass effect experience) for it to be reactivated?

so.. which part of this is 'ranting' and 'only exists in my mind' because im pretty sure (unless i was on hallucinagenic medication.. which i was not) that this all happened.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

Or possibly they think if they ignore it for long enough, people will get fed up with complaining and just put up with it, it's worked before in several industries, people are adaptable.

And as for 'some insane hellish freak-DRM that only exists in their minds'.. At the moment, I agree with you, but like the slippery-slope argument in Video Games, it's slowly getting worse and more restrictive in the name of 'protecting the companies interest', and the movement against DRM is also growing slowly, so it's really a question of who blinks first.

At the moment, it looks like Ubisoft have blinked, it that's the case, then it is now the responsibility of anti-DRM acitivists to acknowledge that.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

DRM has been slowly gettign worse... i mean, in recent cases, spore was cosnidered one fo the worst as its DRM was more restictive than most other DRM's... question is where does it go from there; seeing as th DRM did nothing to stop it's priacy and the game even bacem more priated than other games, what's the next step in DRM... Normally publisher's don't see the DRM as a cause for spore's piracy and instead think they need a bigger and badder DRM to combat it...

However, there is some hope, now we see companies going through the trouble to say "our DRM is not THAT bad" as what seems to be a reaction to the spore flap. Hopefully, the companies get the idea that more restictive DRM's hurt sales tahnks to what happened to spore...

 

though still, DRM's are rather pointless... i mean, yes i know they want to protect their products and they have a right to, but the fact is that most DRM's do not do anything... it doesn't matter if you hinder pirates, as long as just ONE copy fo the game gets hacked, it will spread through the internet and get as pirated as any other game; only way to protect the game would be to make the game 100% hack rpoof, and that is something the DRM's have yet to do

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

I hope being DRM free gives the game an extra boost, but it probably won't. Most gamers have no idea about the DRM that comes with a game. The gamer who will buy or avoid a game bcause of DRM are at a miminum until ir bites them in the ass.

I suppose the game wil sell as usual, DRM or no DRM. Maybe a few extra sales from well informed PC gamers, but that's it. I haven't bothered to replace my four year old gaming PC because of Securom. I haven't had a console since the NES, but now I used my PC money to buy an HD TV and a console. Bye, Bye PC gaming.

I hope it's a great game that sells like hotcakes. The people who buy will not be put off by DRM, and pirates will pirate it anyway. DRM or no.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

DRM haven't still stopped me to buy a game and PoP saga is one of my favorite of all times since amiga500 so I'll buy it for sure - It is also true that DRM ain't stopped me to p2p pirated games if I don't trust the content - 60 dolla for an uncertain game are too much to get a risk on it. Take Bioshock for example: I got the 'p2p version', I liked it and I bought it with 110% of satisfaction. But I can't say that for Fallout 3 that have been erased after a couple of ours of try out. With PoP I just can go blind to buy it...

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

Officially Ubi expects to move over two million copies of it in the short term and about three million in the long tail for the title to be considered a very successful Given it is a major franchise for Ubi I can understand the number of units. If it moves less than two million units Ubi will consider it a failure. Personally I think that number is high but I don’t have access to the production costs across the board for it. Moreover it is at least to me a product which has a much smaller customer base then other game types.

 

To determine success I would average out the total sales of all previous editions then factor in half the growth variable from each version and use that as my target but maybe I'm naïve...  

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Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

Then consider this game (while a good port) is simplified to the point of boredom, and you'll know they set those numbers up to make the game fail.

 

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

"when the game is inevitably pirated"

When?? It was pirated before you made this post guys....

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

I wish I could buy it on PC, just to prove that guy wrong (not that I think he'd ever accept the result even if he could be proven wrong), but my PC is not working well with games right now, so I'm afraid it's the Xbox 360 for Prince of Persia.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

but what is DRM in front of valve's STEAM?

I'd a valve's steam Id for having buy the BOXED half life 2 long time ago and today happens the need to reinstall it again and I realized to have lost that ... Id - you know what? I'm PWNED!

 

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

What the fuck did you say?

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

He said he bought a boxed copy of Half Life 2 at a store, but still had to make a Steam account to play it.  Recently when he went back to play it, he forgot what his Steam account was so he can't play it anymore.

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Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

thankyou VideolandHero I couldn't say it better - I guessed IM'PWNED was just enough but please apologise my fucking english

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

So why can't you recover the account... on the steam website, if you lick "login" and then "forgot password" there's an FAQ on what to do if you don't remeber the name of your account

you should usually be able to recover it as long as you have somekind of information like your e-mail...

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

you should usually be able to recover it as long as you have somekind of information like your e-mail...

Email accounts can get lost as well you know. For example if it was a college email account, and he's no longer at that school, he'd be SOL.

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Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

True... i'm not sure if there are other bits of infromation you cna give steam instead of your e-mail; the faq does seem to imply that e-mail is the most preferable information but not neccessarily the only information... not sure, but it does have you set up a security question, which might be enough to get the account back...

though really, you should be weary in general about using your school e-mail since you should be aware the e-mail will only exist while you are in school...

 

though i would have to ask... if a login is required to play orange box and what not, can he not just create a new login and use that... i mean, ya he'll loose whatever he had saved on his old login, but he can still go back to playing the game...

in that sense, loosing your login information was like loosing a physical memory card

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

though really, you should be weary in general about using your school e-mail since you should be aware the e-mail will only exist while you are in school...

was not me who told it was a school e-mail - it was my ex-provider account but anyway this not change the point

The damn point is that I require a fucking activation - what the hell is good for? may I download my damn legitimate purchased game and play with it, maybe burn in a DVD and reinstall it without hassle the next time I buy a new PC or just format my hard drive??? is that so impossible?

do not get me wrong though, I love the idea to jump all the distribution step - is good for a dozen of reasons - but the Valve way to achieve this is a PITA for the consumer

though i would have to ask... if a login is required to play orange box and what not, can he not just create a new login and use that... i mean, ya he'll loose whatever he had saved on his old login, but he can still go back to playing the game...

but that was the first thing I did, if I get your question - steam replied me with a nice DUPLICATED SERIAL NUMBER welcome message.

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 I wish all games could be managed by steam. you can play a game on any computer so long as it has steam, you can host LAN parties with a single copy of a steam game, you can save settings for your games via steam, and it has community stuff to boot.

if you don't forget your username it's actually a good service.

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4 years has passed since then - I lost email, username and password and the credit card has switched to a new one so I ain't a chance to use the common soviet-burocracy procedures provided by Valve. Today I opened a ticket to steam support and sent a shot of my halflife2 box + serial but with very low expectations.

I don't miss much the hl2 game but I bought afterwards a couple of other games I can't play nomore and this piss me off a huge lot.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

I don't expect this to mean much. Sure, it'll be used to bolster the argument for DRM and SecuROM, but do the developers who use such things actually care if they can justify them? We all know they don't. Excercises like this are merely...insulting.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

Thanks Ubi, thanks for making me feel obligated to buy it on PC.  Now watch, I'll get it for my PS3 and then feel guilty when they inevitably chide PC gamers for not buying their game.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

 "Ubisoft has given itself an out whenever they're taken to task over DRM in the future. "We tried removing it, and we lost money!" will be an easy answer from now on. The remarks from the Community Manager already sound surly and antagonistic, as if the company is simply waiting to get ripped off to prove its own point."

And the problem with that is? People seem to ignore the brutally obvious....piracy is ILLEGAL. If people STILL pirate the game, Ubisoft will have proved that people don't pirate to simply avoid consumer-irritating DRM, they do it because they don't want to pay for the game. That CANNOT be justified people, under ANY circumstances! If you want to play a game, you have to pay for it! Why is that so hard for the internet community to digest??? There are SHEDLOADS of games I want to play this Xmas, but no way I could possibly afford them all. So guess what, I had to go without. I couldn't afford to pay for them, so I didn't get to play them.

Why does that seem to be such a shocking point of view?

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Not really sure where I'm seeing this point you're making. I believe that the internet community isn't saying that's the only way. And I'm sorry, paying money one time and 50 at that is fine, buuut I spent over 300 dollars to replace my computer after I installed Spore and it destroyed my computer before my college semester ended sending me into a panic because I couldn't get my computer working again (the company no longer had backup discs for my dinosaur and my computer couldn't make one).

I think the Internet community's bitch is actually in the feild of "I play a game I spent over 50 bucks on, and the company rips my computer apart, installs programs under the radar or generally makes my 50+ Investment worthless since the DRM -can- render the game 100% unplayable or unenjoyable with it's interfereing. Which isn't acceptable if you spent a -LOT- of money on something.

 

I mean how would you feel if you paid that ammount for say a movie and then every minute the movie is interupted by say 30 minutes of commercials that the company has blocked your ability to fastforward through, you'd get frustrated and annoyed really quick wouldn't you?

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And I'm sorry, paying money one time and 50 at that is fine, buuut I spent over 300 dollars to replace my computer after I installed Spore and it destroyed my computer

Yeah, right. And how exactly did this video game physically damage this 300 dollars worth of hardware? Because I don't see, how this is actually possible on a technical level.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

It is actually possible to physically damage a computer with software, it's just a question of sending the right (or wrong) commands to the Hardware itself. Protections are in place, but it's not impossible, don't know the details and wouldn't post them if I did, but I suspect it's a question of sending certain commands to the drive-head that can damage it, I seem to recall that continuously parking the drive head and then making it read the innermost track on the drive could have a similar effect over time, which is, iirc, more or less how Securom works, by using Data density at various points of the disk and a non-standard disc format.

 

Edit: Another possibility is, for example, the Bios on your Graphics Card was altered to say that the cut-off temperature was now 1 million degrees celsius. That could, effectively, damage the equipment, not directly through Software intervention, but via Software nonetheless.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

And some speculative damage over time of that guy's drive, which happens to be an expensive Bluray writer, can be linked to Spore. And yet if some politician were to blame video games you'd still cry about all the scapegoating going on.

Re: No DRM for Prince of Persia... What's Up With That?

Amen, brother.  You're not the only one that feels this way.

 
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