Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

December 22, 2008 -

A coalition of German citizens has published an anti-game violence position paper that is being referred to as the Cologne Declaration.

The news comes by way of David Ziegler, a longtime GamePolitics reader from Germany. Ziegler writes that the declaration was issued in response to the German Culture Council's recent recognition of video games as cultural assets.

The Cologne Declaration argues that violent games are harmful to children as well as to the building of a peaceful society. Several prominent German social scientists have signed on to the edict, which specifically refers to Counter-strike, DOOM 3, Crysis, Call of Duty 4 and Grand Theft Auto IV as "killer games" and "landmines for the soul."

The document revives the notion that shooting games were developed by the U.S. military in order to condition recruits to kill and asserts that violent games further the aims of the "military-industrial-media complex." Researchers who have defended games are labeled as "collaborators and accomplices" of the video game industry by the declaration, which calls for the government to end state support for game development and ban violent games. The document concludes with:

We won't allow our children to be turned into killing machines on real and virtual battlefields.

GP: The "landmines for the soul" line has been used before by the German Society for Scientific Person-Centred Psychotherapy (GwG). The Cologne Declaration appears on the GwG website.

The claim that violent games are used by the U.S. military to desensitize recruits to killing was originally put forth by violent game critic Lt. Col. (ret.) David Grossman.  ABC newsman John Stossel disputed that notion in his 2006 book Myths, Lies and Downright Stupidity.

The GwG's assertion that violent games are designed to further the aims of the "military-industrial-media complex" sounds similar to the views of fringe political figure Lyndon LaRouche here in the United States.


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Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

when will their stupidity ever end!?

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

As for the comments about religion, I think of religion as more like a Videogame that gets blamed.

Kid shoots police officer and blames videogames for teaching him to shoot in the first place,

Person shoots their neighbour and blames religion for teaching him to hate his neighbour because the neighbour did not like him in the first place.

See the pattern here?

 

It is not religion or Videogames that are the problem, the REAL problem is in people blaming other things so they can attract attention onto something else and get away with murder.

 

And to think that I learned about that in my Psychology class when I looked at the behaviour of young children wanting to blame the dog or the cat for making a mess in the room.

And here we are with many child Psychologists blaming violent videogames for kids behaviour.

 

TBoneTony

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Double poster posted twice. BadLuck is right.

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Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

The edit button exists for a reason. Use it.

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

and like, wow, they attack the view of people who try to defend videogames as being like puppets of the industry.

The only thing I would ever ask these people is if they think that Violent videogames are so violent, why have they not played them yet?

 

Like seriously, my arguments against these people is that sometimes they don't have any real experience with videogames because of the way they describe some videogames as killing games.

 

You need to play the games yourself to understand them, and play them though so you could get a fair bit of the storyline and this is comming from my opinion that I have played videogames before and I have played them for years without even doing a major bad thing in society like killing someone. I have never done anything like that in real life even though I have killed many CPU characters in my videogames.

 

When you point out an opinion, at least do it in a way that does not lable the other side as any less than you are except in your words that you use.

Or at least that is how I put it.

 

But sadly stupid comments are what makes newsworthy these days, so any sence is going to be left unniticed.

That is how bad our society has become.

TBoneTony

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

Someone should ask.

"Did Hitler ever use Videogames to brainwash these people in the 1930's and early 1940's."

I know it is a sensitive thing to say, but someone from Germany who is also a Gamer should try to stand up to these people and ask them that verry question.

Also with other WW2 shooters out there, I won't not be surprized if German Gamers would learn allot about WW2 more than what they do learn about in their schools because of the sensitivity of their History.

 

 

TBoneTony

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

Also with other WW2 shooters out there, I won't not be surprized if German Gamers would learn allot about WW2 more than what they do learn about in their schools because of the sensitivity of their History.

I don't think, that would be possible. Sensitivity of our history doesn't result in the topic being ignored, it results in the topic being done to death.

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

Poor Germany :(

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

I feel sorry for the German gamers too who have to live with this stuff.

It is just as worse than what I get in Australia from a few certain politicians and family groups.

TBoneTony

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

As stupid as the contents seem, you've got to admit that The Cologne Declaration is a pretty awesome name. Sounds like a cold war spy movie.

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

This is one of the dumbest things I've heard in a long, long time.

I mean, seriously. They think shooting games are a tool for recruiting soldiers? Then why the hell are the kind of people who are really into shooting games usually nerds who, if not over weight, are at least not generally in shape.

The kind of people who join the military are usually the ones that have grown up shooting REAL guns, not virtual ones. Every single one of my buddies in high-school who joined the military had previous had extensive previous experience with real fire-arms.

Although I guess this sort of logic makes sense in a country where real firearms arn't frequently put into the hands of children (or anyone).

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Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

No, it doesn't make sense here either. I noticed some politically left to far-left groups among the signees, so at least I get, why that nonsense is even in there.

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

If it does not make sense, you must aquit....

Look a tht monkey, look at the cute little monkey.....

*head explodes*

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

Don't blame the left, don't blame the right, just blame stupidity, it's hardly exclusive.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

And what do you mean by that?

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

The irony being that these activists are some of the most violent people on the planet.

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

How are they violent? If you'd dislike them for being prejudiced wouldn't be particularly ironic either. It would just make you a hypocrite.

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

I guess I did word that badly.

 

Another bit of irony is that the serial killer these peopel are so convinced these games create would likely agree that the games are filth that need to be banned.

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

This declaration accuses scientists that oppose their viewpoint of ignoring evidence and scientific studies in order to push a political agenda. Why not go for the obvious?

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

Holy cow, jack's conspiracy theories have nothing over some of the Germans. It's a good thing though that is only a coalition of German citizens. Perhaps German gamers can get together and form a declaration of their own. I bet they can get more names than this one did.

"Researchers who have defended games are labeled as "collaborators and accomplices" of the video game industry by the declaration,"

Ah a classic tactic, dismiss ANYONE who disagrees with you as conspirators or evil, that way you have an excuse to not listen to anything they say and you can remain with your head in the sand in your own little world.

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Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

Do we really need that unprincipled hack John Stossel on our side of this argument?

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

Frist you start with fiction then you start with thought....then you try and take over the world......
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Oh, Jesus, not this bullshit again!

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Re: Oh, Jesus, not this bullshit again!

You know something can be overused to the point where it loses its point.  A facepalm should be used when its really needed.  Not in every thread.  There comes a point where its more like OCD and a nervous tick than actually having any meaning.

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Re: Oh, Jesus, not this bullshit again!

And it is really needed here, given how f***ed up this shit is.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I already have 2 people Trolling me about how I post. And that's two people too many. A third will only make the shit worse.

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Re: Oh, Jesus, not this bullshit again!

As long as the facepalm pic is different each time, I don't see anything wrong with it  ;)

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Oh, Jesus, not this bullshit again!

Oh, hell, Turnip, if shit like this keeps coming up, I may have to re-use pics.

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Re: Oh, Jesus, not this bullshit again!

I was talking to Turnip, not you two. *sigh* Might need to e-mail Dennis again. Shit's getting really old, really fast.

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Re: Oh, Jesus, not this bullshit again!

When a mix of oldfags and newfags tell you to cut it out, you probably should.

Re: Oh, Jesus, not this bullshit again!

"Dennis has final say."

I stand by what's quoted above.

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Re: Oh, Jesus, not this bullshit again!

And until Dennis tells us otherwise we are going to continue to ask you to actually put some small shred of content into your posts beyond insipid internet memes.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Oh, Jesus, not this bullshit again!

I was considering doing the same thing regarding you actually.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Oh, Jesus, not this bullshit again!

How's this? Dennis has final say.

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Re: Oh, Jesus, not this bullshit again!

Sounds good to me.  Really though I imagine that it wouldn't be good for you given the amount of people who have asked you to stop both politely and not as much politely.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Oh, Jesus, not this bullshit again!

The appropriate response to multiple people asking you to knock it off... is to knock it off. Take a hint.

Re: Oh, Jesus, not this bullshit again!

Re: Oh, Jesus, not this bullshit again!

"And it is really needed here, given how f***ed up this shit is."

And apparently in nearly every other story as well hm?  And this isn't trolling, but rather a response to trolling.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: Oh, Jesus, not this bullshit again!

Seriously, just knock it off. It's obnoxious.

Re: Oh, Jesus, not this bullshit again!

Well if you didn't do it every other thread and contributed a little more......

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

Anyone had a look at who signed this?
Besides the GwG people, all the usual suspects are there:
Christian Pfeiffer, whom you might know from other stories. Known for including the result of future studies in their announcement.
Christoph Hirte of rollenspielsucht.de, an activist against World of Warcraft addiction, because his son supposedly broke off all contact with him because of this addiction. If TV stations look for someone to rant on this subject, it's usually this guy. Moreover, his story is riddled with lies and misrepresentations. The true story emerged from within the WoW community a long time ago, and reading it just made me hate the guy more.

Then we have such illustrous signees as various people who work in child care, teachers, politicians, journalists, writers, the boss of some theater, a catholic theologist, a doctor of naturopathic medicine and a woman whose prime qualifications they chose to list are "mother and grandmother". There's even a fireman in there. They're probably all experts.

This is a joke. The usual fanatics drew up this ridiculous propaganda piece, and then had everyone they could get their hands on sign it.

If Dennis wants a translation, he can post here and I'll have one done by tomorrow evening, but to give you all a general idea of the quality of this thing - here's the second paragraph:
It's long been scientifically proven, that media violence and especially "killer games" have devastating effects especially on children and teenagers.

And it only gets worse from there.

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

I had an online translator (babblefish) do the ENTIRE document, with the exception of the second paragraph, where I grammified them (lol grammified). It only gets worse...

"5, 15 and 25-year olds sit long hours, days and nights before computers and game consoles."
"In computer games like "Counter Strike “, "Doom 3 “, "Call Of Duty “, "Halo 3 “, “Crysis”, and “Grand Theft Auto IV", the gamers practice themselves, among other things, in systematic and excessive killing with weapons such as machine guns up to chainsaws."
"They humiliate, torture, mutilate, carve up, shoot and saw humans at their screens."
"It's long been scientifically proven, that media violence and especially "killer games" have devastating effects especially on children and teenagers." (Danke to Herr Afirejar for this translation)
"Likewise it is in the everyday life of parents, teachers and guardians. It lengthens educators (lolwut) and shows that obviously that children and young people by computer games become more aggressive, more violent and more blunted."
"The more brutal they play, and the more time the children thereby waste, the more badly they perform at academics."
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Many parents and teachers are in despair, with rising brutality and the adults failing to fight." (this is a bit of a stretch, it was hard to translate it to proper English)

If anybody wants the full translation, just holler.

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Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

Didn't some OTHER notable German citizen write a propagandous peice of literature (from prison) in which he pretty much just ripped off all his ideas from notable Marxists? Maybe around the 1920's or so...

Oh history... how you do laugh at us so...

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Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

Yeah, I know what you mean.

 

the words Adolf and Hitler come to my mind all too easily when I read things like this.

 

Blaming Videogames for the violence in the world is like trying to blame Jewish people for all the wars in the world.

 

TBoneTony

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

The Colonge Declaration sounds like a combination of the ideals of Nazis, Jack Thompson, and Joe McCarthy all rolled up into one.

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

So, stupidity, hypocrisy, and hatred decide that, after forming Voltron, they want to fuse with the Ultimate Jew Persecutor and the Ultimate Commie Hunter?

ULTIMATE Fail.

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Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

Alright, I will admit that post was a bad idea.

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

Oh, no, I wasn't talking about you. Sorry, forgot to be specific.

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Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

okay to aviod Godwining the tread I will refer to a certain German dictator as That Guy and I will refer to his party as His Peeps, and there political ideology as badguyism and those who follow said ideology as badguys.

Banning games is just like what that guy and his peeps did, you don't what to be campared to that guy or his peeps do you?  banning books is badguyism, you aren't badguys are you?  I would think being German citizens that you would want to aviod doing anything that guy did, except loving dogs, you can love dogs; dogs are awesome.  I would hate to call you guys his peeps or badguys, or even mini-that guys.  So please stop this silliness before I hurt you feeling you badguys.

EDIT: sortableturnip, do you not understand the concept of subtlety?

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

subtlety....what's that?

Have you seen any of my previous postings before? 

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Report: Cologne Declaration Targets Violent Games in Germany

So i'll take that as a no, you don't.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008
 
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