Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

January 5, 2009 -

In the tight-lipped, image-massaged corporate world in which game company execs exist, it's refreshing to find someone who isn't afraid to speak his mind - even if he is calling out the gaming press in the process.

Thus, we thoroughly enjoyed EA Sports boss Peter Moore's rant at Eurogamer for leaving FIFA 09 out of its Top 50 games for 2008:

Tuesday morning, coffee in hand and clad in my Liverpool FC officially licensed pajamas (you think I'm kidding, don't you), I log in and scroll down the list from 10 to 1, getting more excited as I get closer to the top spot. World of Goo? I'm sure it's fun, and the reviewers certainly loved it, but surprised to see up so high...  I scrolled quickly all the way to the number one spot...Huh? WTF?? As in WHERE THE HELL IS FIFA 09???

...c'mon, one of the best sports games of recent times not even in the Top 50? This title will sell in excess of 10 million units when all is done and dusted, but doesn't even rank a mention?

Really? Seriously? Is it not cool to include a so-called mass market game? Bangai-O Spirits (no disrespect Treasure) makes it and FIFA 09 doesn't? Eurogamer - you are and always will be one of my favorite gaming web-sites, but you were waaaay offside on this one.

UPDATE: Eurogamer editor Tom Bramwell has responded to Moore's criticism.


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Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

Well, let me put it this way... I play Tetris on the Wii a lot. I love it. Nice interface, good design, fun game modes with multiplayer. Hey, it's tetris. It kicks ass.

Do I think it should get up on the top 50? Oh, hell no.

There's nothing new or compelling in it. Oh sure, it has a nice interface, but that's something that's possible for any program, provided that the time and effort is put into it. Good gameplay? Again, yup, it's tetris after all. But the gameplay modes are derivative. It's just the same as what you played back on your 286 or on your first gameboy.

Fifa 09? Same thing. Great graphics, good gameplay, but entirely derivative. Compared to things like World of Goo or Bioshock... well, it just dosen't compare for innovation.

 

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FIFA was a franchise entry, not a new game. Add a mode or 2, update the rosters and there you go.

Personally to hear him bashing World of Goo really made me cringe. Personally the only game on the Wii I enjoyed more than that was No More Heroes (yes above Smash and Kart... its that good). Peter needs to realise that World of Goo among others in the list has things that EA Sports titles haven't had for a long long time, it was ORIGIONAL, it was FRESH, it was FUN and it was INNOVATIVE.

I do give props to EA this year, Dead Space and Mirror's Edge were gambles that I enjoyed very well, yeah I know Mirror's Edge combat sucked but I liked everything else and shows the idea has lots of potential.

On the wanting Mass Effect to be higher... does a port really count? I personally would have dismissed Mass Effect  Bioshock out of the list for being 07 titles (despite being 2 of the best games of 07).

Then again I would proberbly dismiss FIFA for being a 1994 title

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

"FIFA was a franchise entry, not a new game."

Yeah, just like CoD4.

/sarcasm

Anyone who thinks FIFA's latest 'franchise entry' is not a new game either needs to play it, or needs to get his head examined.

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

Peter must be feeling a bit sheepish now. To be basically told "Sorry man, not my call, this is based on what the thousand plus contributors played and enjoyed this year and you're not on the list" is a bit of a slap in the face.

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

No "douchebags" or f-bombs thrown? I have to admit the guys at Infinity Ward know how to rant much better than Moore here.

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

Moore, every FIFA game is exactly the same, except with the current year slapped on it. Just like Madden.

 

When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

Only someone who had only played one FIFA title could say that with a straight face.

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

Yeah, some years they exclude the Welsh.

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Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

Moore gets a mad respect boost from me for being a fan of the Reds.  You'll never walk alone, Pete.  You'll never walk alone.

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Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

I find Moore's whining (yes, that is exactly what it is) to be extremely telling. It always helps to know when someone completely expects their latest game to rate higher than others, despite how undeserved such treatment may be.

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

Agreed. I can understand that after spending months (or even years) working on your game and releasing it like a dove into the world, only to have it mercilessly shot down is very depressing. But you won't get any sympathy from me if you complain that it got a 6 instead of a 10 or 5th instead of 1st. especially if your game still sold very well. You can keep that BS to yourself.

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

Unfortunately, people like Peter Moore get so used to having all the attention they pretty much expect to get, that when not everyone is granting it, they practically choke on their food with incomprehension.

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

I think this is another peice of proof that Dennis has some axe to grind against EA. I'm totally fine with that kind of view, but also just say upfront that Gamepolitics does not think EA is great so we are going to report all sorts of news on them or something along those lines. I can't word it properly but it's obvious you choose these kinds of EA stories even if they are not really based on politics, over other stories in a similar matter. Like I don't think GP reported on the THQ layoffs, but for some reason reported on the EA layoffs, You report on this beef with Eurogamer but I don't think you reported on the beef with Dennis Dyack and Neogaf, or Noah Heller saying Gearbox was making a "crappy war game". There's articles that have redudent related stories on EA that other publishers follow the same lead, and without reporting on those articles you lead your viewership into thinking that EA is doing poorly while the rest of the games industry is doing far better, or treating their consumers far better. Whether that is your intent or not is not my issue, but if your intent is to foward some anti-EA agenda, then I'd much prefer that you'd be upfront about it, which would better explain why you have these stories.

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

" it's refreshing to find someone who isn't afraid to speak his mind "

funny, the tone of the bit he wrote hardly sounds negative. If anything it sounded kinda positive, like a pat on the back for speaking candidly and without fear. The negativity is coming from the rest of us :P

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Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

Exactly. I found this story to be of the tone that it is refreshing to see a publisher talk trash about a gaming mag. If you spent a bunch of time and money of a game and it wasn't in everyone's top N story, wouldn't you be mad? It seems very few publishers and devs are not willing to say something though.

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Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

um... A lot of people have done this during my time looking at the industry. I remember dev's from Prey calling out reviewers for "not getting it" or "not understanding", and this always occurs in the back corners of the press, as you hear magazines and websites getting calls from publishers going like "I thought we were friends man! Why did you give my game a 4?" and some even giving the cold sholder to certain editors for that. More openly it's been happening reccently, and agian I have no idea why Dennis would not have reported this, but take this story is it happened with Infinity Ward where I can't remember who, but he called out Activision producer Noha Heller and actually personally attacked him and told him to shut up.

This is not uncommon.

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

If you spent a bunch of time and money of a game and it wasn't in everyone's top N story, wouldn't you be mad?

No. It should never be a concern.

It seems very few publishers and devs are not willing to say something though.

If they're going to behave like Petey here, I'd prefer they just keep their mouths shut.

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

I don't exactly know what Dennis's intent is, but never the less he is putting EA stories on priority over similar events with different publishers.

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

FIFA would never be in any top 50 list I ever made.. regardless of year. Though it would probably still top Madden.

NHL is the only sports series EA makes that's worth a damn. (Barely worth a damn at that)

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Does GP havbe a top ten games of '08?  Frankly sometimes this site can be too much about the politics and not the games, an informal list would be refreshing

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hmm actually yeah id enjoy that.

 

maybe GP could put a poll up.

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For people that think EA does really incrimental updates to sports games, that's kind of par for the course because you can't really change the rules of sports games that are ment more to be sims than anything else. But NHL 09 is a huge leap from the past few NHL games, so it's not like their doing nothing.

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

Nobody outside the North American continent really cares about the NHL though. So EUROgamer certainly wont care.

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Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

Your talking to a Canadian... So I feel insulted....

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

THat is why I said North American CONTINENT, and not United States of America. And my point still stands.

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Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

Whoops, I thought you said no one in North America cares about hockey. That's not ture though, the finnish, and sweeds sure like their Hockey and so does the Czech Republic.

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

Be that as it may, they sure ain't part of the NHL.

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Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

Well there isin't really an alternative is there? and the 2K game is vastly inferior.

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

Clearly you have yet to try "KHL Фантастический хоккей Опыт '09."  (I understand you can put in a code to make Ray Emery punch Jaromir Jagr.)

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Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

They should have the crowd randomly riot if the hometeam gets slaughtered, or have the away teams fans take over the stadium and such, that would add some interesting gameplay. Or have something like this happen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIKdK-T-jZM and a mini game comes up where you have to make all your guys dodge the boards or else they're out for the rest of the game. Ahh, that would make for some fun times.

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Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

That... mixed with a Locust or Flood attack and I'm playing sports!!

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Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

That would definitely be very awesome. In fact, such a feature might actually get me to buy a sports game (which I haven't done since Mutant Football). EA's too pussy to do it though.

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

 Other developers can make up stories to some base ground rules, why not sports? DHL 40k or something, play Hockey as Space Marine, Ork, Eldar, etc.

 Sure you have to bend over and await the buttsecks that accompanies doing business with Games Workshop, but thats how business is done.

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

Do I have to tell you the sad story of 2K All Pro Football?

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yes? I have that for 360 actually, my kid wanted it O.o *shrug*  sports games not really my thing :P

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Good to see them show some balls.

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HA, love the sarcastic way he gives Tiger Woods and FIFA postions 0 and -1 on the list to shut the uninformed whinging little corporate baby up!

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Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

Oh fuck off EA. The same game you released for the last 8 years has no right to be in this years top games. Corporate wanktards.

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Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

 What exactly do they update in these incremental sports games? They make new ones each year with updated names and stats, nothing ground breaking or genre altering. Compare that to games like Left 4 Dead, Fallout 3 and others.

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That's a bit dismissive, and it's probebly more from the hardcore side that goes like "WTF why is NHL 09 a GOTY nomminie???" and I can understand that, but have you actually played the new Tiger Woods game? Have you played NHL 09? Have you even played Madden and compared it to last years version? Just because the rules don't change doesn't mean the game itself doesn't change. Take NHL 09, it has online leauges, a carrer mode where you play as one player, and 6 on 6 multiplayer, NBA also tried stuff with the Dynamic DNA stuff. Contrirary to popular opinion about sports games, they do change....

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Yeah.  Actually sports games change a lot from year to year.  Apart from adding new functionality (which can either bring more to the experience or needlessly complicate it) and more online support, they're always coming up with new controls (because they haven't hit on that perfect 'Call of Duty' control system yet.  As a result, every year it's a toss-up whether we get a playable game or an un-intuitive mess, which is why I stopped buying sports games altogether.  But that's another story.

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In no way am I a fan of sports games but from what I recall Fifa 09 is the first to allow 10 on 10 multiplayer which is a pretty big addition to a sports title. I can't think of any other team based sports games that allows for all team members to be player controlled (well except for the goalie but that could be a really dull game). I'm not saying it should have been anywhere near the top of the list but considering some of the others on there, it did deserve a place near the bottom.

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"Yeah, We're EA for godsakes! I used to work for Microsoft. I'm the king of the #$%^&*ing world, remember? You owe us five stars for every game we make, especially [spit] sspports!"

World of goo didn't look that interesting to me, but if it pissed Moore off, it's got to be good. 

Re: Peter Moore Gets Feisty With Eurogamer

Yeah, I heard about that. I can understand him being a bit miffed, what with the 10 mil sales figure an all, but I can't really blame the Eurogamer staff for overlooking a sports game, even a footie one considering that sports games tend to be heavily incremental in development which means that its vastly less likely that a major new improvement to the formula will be recognised as such... Nevermind the fact that theres only so much you can do to improve a game based on a sport without completely abandoning the rules of the sport your basing the game on.

Its the over-valuation of Innovation curse at its worst, where a game isn't highly rated unless its doing something percieved as being really new or at least different.

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Yeah, I am happy they over looked it.  Moore needs to get his eggs in line and realize that when you do not publish innovative games, you do not get recognized.  The sports section at EA only does something great every now and then. 

Madden has been the same for years with only minor changes, even the same models and half of the same textures between 08 and 09, and I am sure many more. 

The NASCAR series has had the same game from 05 to 08 on the last gen, and this gen there are massive things missing that make them half the worth of 04 or players choice of 05-08.

And the stories just go on...

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