New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

January 7, 2009 -

At the Georgia Tech News Games Project, Ian Bogost discusses Raid Gaza!, an editorial game dealing with Israel's offensive against Hamas in Palestine.

Raid Gaza! is hosted at Newgrounds and has an RTS-like interface in which the player, acting as the Israeli side, builds structures and uses them to create military units which are then launched against the Palestinians.

Of the game, Bogost writes:

The game argues against the justification of Israeli attacks on Gaza, representing them as unprovoked and characterizing Israel's response as overt aggression. The game's goal is to kill as many Palestinians as possible in a three minute session...

The game is headstrong, suffering somewhat from its one-sided treatment of the issue at hand. But as an editorial, it is a fairly effective one both as opinion text and as game... It's release on user-contributed animation and games portal Newgrounds came on 30 December 2008, only three days after the Israeli Defense Forces launched airstrikes...

Raid Gaza! was probably not created by a journalist nor a professional game developer (it was submitted to Newgrounds eponymously). Still, the piece was timely, coherent, and exerted commentary that is appreciable, even if it is not profound...


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Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

ok, before i start,  both sides are to blame for this.  Hamas for lobbing grenades into Israel, and Israel for the destruction it causes in Palestine. 

Now, I have to wonder why support for Israel is so high. 

I propose a challenge, if you are a staunch Israel supporter that believes Isreal has the right to do whatever it wants in Palestine(like the current invasion.)

So to show the palestinean side of things, here's the challenge.  Many of you believe that Israel has a right to the land in Palestine, because they inhabited the area many centuries ago.

By the same logic, Native Americans also deserve your land.

So the challenge is this.

You and your family must leave your house and possesions, so that a native family can bulldoze it and build their own house there.  Then one of your family members must be killed as "collateral damage".  

see where i'm going.  Just finish this challenge and you can love Israel as you want.  If not, then stfu and admit that Palestine is being unfairly subjected to a horrible fate.  

As for solutions, that can only happen once isreal owns up to what it has done, and losens it's choking grip on Palestine.  You can not expect peace to happen when palestine is cut off and in utter poverty due to the strict restrictions on it. (example roadblocks, which choke the palesetinean economy. 

You may argue with me once you complete the challenge.

Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

I'm half native american, well over the limit to reap the government benefits (if you're 1/16th, you can go to your tribe's reservation and register and you get all sorts of wonderful scholarships and other treats) from my ancestry.  Can I skip your challenge and just give my land to myself? 

I don't think they have the right to live there simply because they lived there long ago; I think they have the right to live there because the people who controlled the land when they moved in said they were alright with it.  It's like selling a house or donating it to some charity; you can't come back fifty years later and say 'fuck off, this is ours again'. 

Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

I am of Cherokee ancestry myself. Why do people get this notion that for some reason most native americans are sitting around pissed at the world for the way the land turned out?

Sure, some are, but the bulk I have been around don't really give too much of a damn. They just keep on keeping on.

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You can thank that one bit of video that has a crying First nations individual from the 70's.

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Every damn day it'sthe same opening on the news "Trouble in the Middle East..."

 

If it's nothing but trouble the time has come to just wipe them all off the face of the earth unless they learn to get along with eachother.

Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

How about we put all the radicals in a room together and let them sort it out, either they work out their differences and come to a mutual understanding or they all kill each other; either way problem solved.

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Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

Oh for shits sake.

Folks, It's entirely possible for BOTH israel and its various neibhors to be complete and utter butt nuggets.

Palestine and lebbanon both have shown themselves to be either unable or unwilling to bring the militant forces within there border to heel, and thus I find it hard to grasp how anyone could be at all surprised at israels desire to lash back at people firing rockets and engage in suicide bombings against civilian targets.

By the same coin though, Israels shown themselves to be utter doushe nuggets time and again. The invasion of lebannon wound up destroying a considerable ammount of the countries infrastructure for no reason other then spite; water treatment plants were obliterated for gods sake. Further, israeli reprisals frequently result in colaterol damage; this particular incursion is going to breed some very bitter hamas soldiers out to avenge the deaths of fallen friends and family.

So I support neither group.

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The only real way round it would be for the US,EU and other nations to have a joint army remove any government in the area that refuses to remove its terrorists and tell Israel to do nothing outside its own border.



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Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

Like everyone else has been saying, Israel has been bombed almost every day for 20 years. Its about time they got in there so that they could try stopping Hammas from blowing up their Country.

 

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Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

 Its not their country, they stole it from the real owners and slapped a near name on her. You'd be firing rockets at these people two, if placed in the same situation.

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Please learn some history before you say such things.

There has never been a true historical Palestine.  During the reign of the Roman Emperor Hadrian, he had the maps changed to erase Judea and replace it with Palestine, as a refrence to the old enemies of the Jewish people which were the Philistines. This was because Hadrian hated the Jews because they refused to acknowledge him as a living god and refused to add the Roman gods to their faith.

Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

 Aren't you the kid a few posts back saying Israel has the right to kill women and children because gods got their back? Get off my internet, you dirty it with your presence.

Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

I see what you did there.. it's awesome how frothing-at-the-mouth fanatics can just ignore valid historical points in order to make snyde (and untrue) remarks.

No one is taking you seriously here, because your "israel can only be evil and the poor palestinians can be forgiven for ANYTHING they do" mindset does nothing but prove you are a jew hater.

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Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

1. I'm hardly a kid anymore sport. Being 35 tends to put one outside the range of being a kid.

2. I don't recall ever saying that anyone had the right to kill women and children. Israel does have the right to defend itself and it is at war with Hamas. Hamas hides themselves amongst women and children. Thus, while it is unfortunate, there are casualties amongst them when Israleli forces tries to root them out.

3. What I said, in point of fact, was that Israel will endure. They will continue as a people and a nation.

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It was only ever the palestinians, because the ottoman empire was broken up by european forces at the end of world war one.

Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

When are the Palestinians going to figure out that Hamas' continued existence is detrimental to their own survival? Whether Israel's retalition is overdoing it or not is academic when the reason for said retaliation is most always Hamas or a like-minded militant group. The only way Israel is every going to stop is if Hamas stops lobbing rockets into their country.

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Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

 Or Israel as a nation is destroyed. They are surrounded on all sides by people who hate them, to think they would ever have a stable nation is laughable.

Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

Actually its not laughable at all. Israel is still there,after being attacked by three of those nations shortly after it's 20th century resotration.

Actually Israel, as a nation, and the Jewish people in general have been enslaved, and threatened with genocide since the days of Moses. I'd kind of expect them to get an attitude about people wanting to kill them by this point.

Despite all those enemies Israel endures because they have the will to do so and because God will not allow their destruction.

 

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"Despite all those enemies Israel endures because they have the will to do so and because God will not allow their destruction."

 Wait what?

Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

I can see both sides of the conflict and their rationale for fighting. However, I cannot see Israel having any other course of action except the present. There has been no negotiation between them since Hamas refuses to even communicate except through Egypt, and all the cease fires in the past have been broken by Hamas.

It is a shame that innocent civilians on both sides are dying, but in Hamas is responsible for all of them by choosing to hide and fight amongst civilians. It was mentioned before that the death tolls for Israel is in the teens, and the Palestinians have lost hundreds. Oh well, they brought a knife to a gun fight and are getting their asses handed to them. If they don't want their civilians to die, then don't try to use them as shields.

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The whole game should start out first with a cutscene of hamas bombing israeli civilians and shooting rockets at cities hitting things like SCHOOLS. Israel may have had a knee-jerk reaction and went off like a man who has reached his limit and gone berserk but it's not like hamas is the innocent fluffy white rabbit here.

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Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

I agree, fuck Hamas

and fuck Isreali overreaction

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Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

True, but the rockets Hamas fires rarely actually kill any civilians, while Israel's campaign has killed way more people.  Last time I saw an official death toll, Israel's was in the teens while those in Gaza were somewhere over 400.  If those are the "official" numbers, I'd bet anything that the real body count is much higher.

And most of those killed in Gaza have probably never done anything more than throw a rock.  Most of the rockets fired from Hamas are done so on the back of the truck or some similar set-up to allow mobility.  They go to, say, a UN school, fire off a few, then bounce before Israel retaliates.  And when that retaliation comes it's usually civilians that take the brunt of it.

Israel has a right to defend itself sure, but it's heavy-handed approach destroys any sympathy it might or should get.

 

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Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

I agree they went overboard however my point is that while everyone is trying to villianize israel they are forgetting what israel has endured and why they're pissed.

and are you trying to tell me just just cause the rockets rarely kill people that suddenly its no big deal? Keep in mind the rockets are not aimed at anything military (not that they're very accurate) and the mortars aren't aimed at anything military either (and they are quite accurate). Meanwhile israel is TRYING to target only hamas and catching civilians by accident but only because hamas hides amongst civilians on purpose.

Though I agree israel should back off a bit i don't see them as the villians, civilian deaths should be blamed on the combatants that purposefully hide their fighting positions in the middle of civilians. they FIRE from these positions. Remember at the start of this before israel attacked there were reports coming from gaza that one hamas team screwed up and blew themselves up injuring surrounding civilians but originally they though israel did it and the rockets and mortars were in retaliation.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365844,00.html

Hamas fired mortars and rockets cause they though israel bombed the house and now they are saying it may have been an accident and not israel.

I agree though that israel destroys sympathy but thats because people tend to ignore what israel went through and focus on the now.

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Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

And the Palestinans haven't endured just as much, if not more hardship? Seriously 700,000 or so refugees in 1950, and now more than four million living in horrible conditions isn't bad? Call it a simplistic conclusion for sure, but it seems Israel by and large has it easy. End of the day both sides need to learn how to comprimise, but I think calling Israel's 'response' heavy handed is an understatement.


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In comparison you might be able to draw the conclusion israel has had it easy but i doubt they would agree with you. I never said palestine had it easy but while you're talking about refugees we're talking about civilians being purposefully targeted and killed by attacks from the militant palestinians/hamas. Israel isn't trying to kill civilians outright (although they have killed some) and their blockade is meant to try and stop stop the attacks not to kill people.

Would you rather be a refugee or dead?

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Who said I cared about them agreeing with me? I'm not backing up Hamas here cause I think there would be better ways of aproaching it. But when you cause that many people to live in poverty, i don't really see how you can be upset when they retaliate. Especially when your responses to such retaliations end up destroying literally hundreds more families then their rockets ever did. Just sorta makes you wonder why Israel complains in the first place, them being largley responsible for the mess in the first place.

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Yes, how dare those dirty Jews try to live in peace in their ancestral home! How dare they get attacked by the racists and psychos around them! Are you seriously trying this bullshit? 

Hamas: Purposefully targeting civilians. Rarely cause death due to inaccuracy.

Israel: Attempting to root out terrorists hiding in a civilian population which actively assists the terrorists. Occassionally kills civilians.

If Israel is good at killing the terrorists; this will tear families apart. Pity.

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ya rly, israel should just sit back and take it, it's their own damn fault anyways right? I mean, whats a little rocket fire and mortars between neighbors so long as it doesn't kill too many israelis? not sure blue knows this but hamas doesn't even talk to israel, cease fires get brokered through egypt. so its kinda along the lines of a divorced husband and wife telling a thrid party what they want to tell the other one instead of just talking to each other and from what i've read its hamas that doesn't wanna talk directly but I could be wrong. You can't always trust media outlets of course.

ehh, i just don't think israel is really too wrong in their methods cause of who they're dealing with, not to say i think israel is a saint of a country either tho. Sometimes i get the feeling the only way things will cool off there is if one side nukes the whole of the other into sterility.

(edit) it's stuff like this that tells me hamas wants to cut off communications and just fight:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/07/news/ML-Israel-Venezuela.php

I mean you would think they would want to keep the envoys around to keep the communications open but like children, they would rather withdraw them as a form of retaliation instead of keeping them around and communicate. just doesn't sound like hamas actually wants this to end, they wanna escalate it and get other arab nations involved to try and attack israel O.o

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Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

No, I don't think they would want to keep the lines of communication open. Israel has shown to be completely uncompromising when it comes to their land claims. They could care less if their occupation displaces millions, the displaced are not Israeli. They have about as much right to Palestinian land as Aboriginal people have to US/Canadian land.

 You lost it, tough shit, live with it.

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You do realize that they do have a claim to the land since it was given to them right? People may try to argue the merit of giving the nation of Israel the land, but the fact is that the land is theirs now. The Palistinians had rights to the land prior to WWII, they lost it and as you said; "You lost it, tough shit, live with it." Just because they are sore for losing the land, does not give them the excuse to exclusively target Israeli civilians.

From the content of your posts not only under this story but others, I'm just going to guess you are just making absurd statements for the "Lulz" and attempting to start drama.

Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

 They were given land by the British and Americans, not the Palestinian people. Its equivalent to the US giving Iraq to Israel after the invasion. Can you imagine how chaotic the Middle East would be if they did that (again)? This is a disgrace.

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I'm sorry if I didn't spell out that every point, I thought it was considered common knowledge that the land was given by the United Nations. And it wasn't just America and Britain, it was a collection of 33 nations.

You also seem to be forgetting that treaties were signed by Egypt, Lebanon, Transjordan, and Syria whom were representing the Palestinians that extended the land 50% more than which was given to Israel by the UN.

So don't try to act as if the Palestinian people were victimized, as someone else already pointed out, they were hated beforehand by the vast majority of the Middle East. They are not in a desireable situation, but it is hardly the fault of Israel.

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Ya i was about to point out the same thing but you forgot to mention that UK actually abstained from the vote, in essence saying they didn't wanna damage their relationship with iraq, iran and so forth, so no britain did not give jews israel by any stretch of the imagination.

dero normally belts out half-truths as fact and later tries to justify himself in a half-assed "i'm so much smater than you" tone. I get the feeling he keeps thesaurus.com open in a seperate window to try and use the biggest words he can find. He's really just trolling for conflict and i normally ignore him but since you posted i figure i would add fuel to the fire :)

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Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

 As we all know from Rwanda, indifference is as vile as holding the machete yourself. To argue otherwise smecks of bias.

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"I'm sorry if I didn't spell out that every point, I thought it was considered common knowledge that the land was given by the United Nations. And it wasn't just America and Britain, it was a collection of 33 nations."

 Because the United Nations is not an oligarchy in its own right, right? Veto is a joke, and its use smecks of elitism. What makes the founding members any more prepared to make sound international decisions than the guys who joined a week later?

"You also seem to be forgetting that treaties were signed by Egypt, Lebanon, Transjordan, and Syria whom were representing the Palestinians that extended the land 50% more than which was given to Israel by the UN."

 So your demographic is everyone but the people getting displaced. Magnificant show of democracy, how ever could I have questioned this decision.

"So don't try to act as if the Palestinian people were victimized, as someone else already pointed out, they were hated beforehand by the vast majority of the Middle East. They are not in a desireable situation, but it is hardly the fault of Israel."

 Of course its Israel's fault, they destabilized the entire region with their formation, created throngs of refugees for their neighbours and militarized land that they don't own "for the security of Israel". Now they are bombing, shelling and mortaring women and children. Oh, but to save face they'll let aid workers in with food, fuel and medical supplies, only to continue killing when they leave. This is tantamount to genocide.

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There is no such thing as "Palestinian land", nor any map that shows "Palestine", and there NEVER has been. They've been shunned for centuries from every Arab nation they tried to squat in. The only reason Israel is seen as the bad guy is because of the big J-word.

Please don't try to paint the Palestinians as innocent refugees.. they've been shunned for a reason, the same (in general) reason why gypsies were shunned for so long - NO ONE LIKES THEM.

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Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

 Read up on the definition of Palestine before you comment. And if you're implying that I think Israel is in the wrong because they are of Jewish ancestry, you have nothing to back up such a foolish statement. I'm against Israel because they are killing innocent people. Are they killing not-so-innocent people? More than likely, but that does not justify the death of innocents.

 Its this same fucked up morality that the Americans used in Iraq.

"There is a bad, bad man in power, we're here to remove him."

"Oops, what do we do now that Saddam's gone..."

"Sorry for killing your women, children and forcing your society to live on the brink of anarchy."

Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

Pretty bad abalogy because the bulk of America didn't want to go to war with Iraq. We wanted to find and kill Osama Bin Laden and wipe out his terrorist cell. The government lead us to Iraq and the populace really didn't want to go there and have been quite vocal about disapproving of such tactics.

"I'm against Israel because they are killing innocent people."

As everyone should be. Unfortunately, despite people telling you otherwise, violence does solve some problems. It solves a lot of them actually. You may not agree with the use of it, but damned if it isn't true.  Let's take Saddam Hussein for example, while he was in power terrorist cells didn't stir any shit in Iraq. His philosophy was if a terrorist attacked a truck supply or something in a city, he would kill every man, woman, and child in said city. He performed this action a few times and the general populace got the message loud and clear. If anyone came into a town and showed signs of starting some kind of terrorist activities, the townpeople would kick the shit out of them and wipe them out on the spot.

This was a barbaric and violent tactic, but it worked. Same thing with Vlad the Impalers reign in Romanian. Same thing with killing a whole bunch of innocents with the nuclear bomb drops in Japan during WWII.

Am I pro-violence? Nope. I just acknowledge that the fucker can work as a solution to a problem, despite people saying otherwise.

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It's the intent.

 

Isreal wants to kill terroist, Hamas wants to destory Isreal entirely.

Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

 No Israel wants to control the entirity of what they claim is their homeland. Too bad they've been exiled for centuries because of similar medievil douchebaggery.

Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

Well, you could make the argument that everyone in the world in a refugee in some manner or another.

I know I am.


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Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

I guess you could. But then i'v never kicked out of my home and forced to live in extreme conditions. So no i wouldn't really consider myself a refugee.

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Then apparently you've never lived in Missouri or Wisconson during the winter.

 

 

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Touche.

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As I understand it, part of their goal is the destruction of those truck/missile launchers. They've devided the Gaza strip in half, North and South. The rearming and supply areas in the southern half, while the northern half is where they tend to bring the trucks to launch their rockets into Israel.

Of course I've also heard blurbs from some of the press that say part of their goal is the destruction of Hamas... that could take a whole lot more blood and guts. :/

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Body count is irrelevant. For starters, it doesn't tell us how many were civies and how many were terrorists. Teens to hundreds is actually what I would expect from a geurilla unit taking on trained soldiers. Secondly, firing rockets into civilian sectors is deserving of a heay handed response. The intent of Hamas is total extermination of Israel. They don't become a fluffy bunny just because they're bad at carrying it out.

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 Spoken by someone who knows nothing outside of what CNN tells them. Israel is the aggressor here, nothing more nothing less. Maybe they shouldn't have tried to take land that wasn't theres.

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If you honestly believe that Hamas is innocent in any of their attacks then you've shown yourself to be a kool-aid drinker of a different type.

Take a look at history. Time and again Israel has come to the table for peace talks and time and again the PLO or Hamas has been the first to either walk away from the table or violate the terms of the agreed upon accord. The destruction of Israel is a goal of Hamas, one they're open about.

Why is it that people like you don't want Israel to defend itself and it's people?

Re: New Game Is a Protest of Israeli Invasion of Gaza

 Why should Hamas be at peace with Israel? They are the invader, by signing a peace accord they tell the world that they are happy to be walked all over. No nation would agree to such a thing.

 
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MaskedPixelantehttp://www.joystiq.com/2014/07/22/wii-u-update-adds-system-to-system-transfers/ The latest Wii U update allows you to do the system transfer between two Wii Us. Still not true accounts, but getting there.07/22/2014 - 7:39am
Papa MidnightSpeculation from PC Gamer. Don't hold your breath. http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/07/21/microsoft-job-listing-says-nice-things-about-pc-gaming-isnt-clear-if-it-means-them/07/21/2014 - 5:58pm
MaskedPixelanteI dunno, it's probably Vevo powertripping.07/21/2014 - 5:52pm
Andrew EisenMP - Makes you wonder what the intention behind the removal was. Stop the RickRolls? Yeah, like removing that one video is going to make a difference.07/21/2014 - 3:27pm
MaskedPixelantehttp://www.billboard.com/articles/business/digital-and-mobile/6165313/youtube-blocks-original-rickroll-video Moment of silence, the original Rickroll video has been blocked in many regions.07/20/2014 - 3:53pm
 

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