Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

January 11, 2009 -

As GamePolitics reported last week, Israel's invasion of Gaza has spawned protests in Second Life as well as a Flash game with a distinctly pro-Palestinian view.

The latest online game inspired by the conflict, however, is very much pro-Israeli.

Save Israel is a simplified, Missile Command-like game which seems very difficult to win - and that appears to be the designer's point. When it's "game over," a splash screen advises the player:

It's very hard to save Israeli citys from Hamas's rocket, so we must defend ourselfs

User comments to the game on its Kongregate page reflect the strong division of opinion generated by the conflict.

Via: Enduring America


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Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

Yeah, definitely infecting your brain.

Israel is certainly <i>overreacting</i> and has become ridiculously trigger happy, but that's what happens when you're surrounded by countries that hate your guts.

 But if Israel was trying to commit genocide, they wouldn't be launching bombs that accidetnally killed 40 civilians. They have the military technology to eradicate the palestinian poulation. There would be no need for all these intermitten cease-fire cycles.

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"they wouldn't be launching bombs that "accidetnally""

Well if it is state violence, it's okay. Wait, no it's not. If they do use the technology, the neighbouring nations would never standby. Aren't you aware of M.A.D (Mutually Assured Destruction)? Israel is doing something wrong, but they know damn well they won't risk the PR stunt of nuking an entire city. Plus, it is a slow genocide, the kind that is partially allowed by the UN (Not anymore). Look at the territory from 1948-2009, Palestine went from around 50% to having less than 2%. Guess who took the land? This is a suffocation, I just used genocide to get a response.

 

I'm biased, if you have a problem with that, take a long hard look at the world and yourself, and shut up.

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1948-1967 Israelis were called palestinians...

IF you look at that same map you will notice that the majority of the land area called palestine is currently called JORDAN the vast majority of who's population is Palestinian....

How about we look at a map of nations rather then geographical areas before you start talking about the 'nations' called Africa, Asia, north America, Sahara and pacific ocean... Oh wait there is no map with a nation bearing the name palestine appearing on it at any time during the last few hundred years...

but it certainly is fun to come up with percents... hey I have a fact that is about as factual as your, 23% of the population of Martians is green while 89% are grey... hmm that doesn't add up to a hundred exactly but it is as accurate as your info...

 

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

Really, your bias? We would have never fucking realized if you hadn't pointed it out. But by admitting your bias, you've just tainted all the 'facts' you were presenting, but to be honest that already sounded more like propganda than fact anyway.

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Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

 What a shock that you contain no civility or class.

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

I have plenty, I just don't waste it on the likes of you.

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Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

AE: Keep it civil, folks.

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

Should also bear in mind that Hamas' definition of a cease-fire is one where Israel stops firing, but Hamas don't.

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Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

Yes, it's SO clear cut opinion is divided more or less 50/50 on the subject. Too fucking right you're naive.

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Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

What you are seeing is the whole reason Hamas hide in the middle of civilian areas in the first place.

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Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

Yeah, but we can forgive them all that because they are blowing up arabs.

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Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

The reason this game is difficult is you have to click directly on the rocket, and it has very poor collision detection; I had trouble actually clicking the rocket when I was directly on it; the game is designed to be impossible to win.

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Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

 You know, by fighting over this game, we're pretty much dropping ourselves to their level. 

This a several thousand year old conflict. It was stupid to begin with, and that hasn't changed. They both need to quit fighting. So do we.

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

It's an infinite length game.  You can't win it, since the player needs to get as high of a score as possible with the difficulty ramping upwards as the game progresses. 

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

At least one of these silly political minigames gets something right.

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

Not really. Saying Israel is defending itself whilst it kills and injures hundreds of civilians is just wrong.

Neither side is in the right, so a game supporting either side cannot be in the right either.

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

Not really. Saying Israel is defending itself whilst it kills and injures hundreds of civilians is just wrong.

Neither side is in the right, so a game supporting either side cannot be in the right either.

I have to agree...  What exactly are these wars about?  Purely religion?

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Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

Religion's part of it, but it's also about territory, which both sides believe they have a right to, and about living conditions (the Gaza strip is a squalid and densely populated place, and both sides have some of the blame for that), and about the right of sovereignty, and about revenge, from both sides to both sides, for all the past violence.

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Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

A known tactic used by the militant groups in order to obtain sympathy is to use civilian buildings to launch rockets, and claim the retaliation was meant to target civilians.  This is known as blaming the victim, and you can confirm this because there are very few protests concerning the use of suicide bombers on civilian targets.

Also, the most recent cease fire wasn't broken by Isreal.

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

yes, but one of the problems is with Israeli methods of attack... such as the use of bombing targets instead of sending in soliders. Using infantry they could get inside the building and take out the enemy with minimal civilian casualties... by using bombing methods, the attacks become more indiscriminate and target not just the militants but anything near by them...

Furtharmore, the UN and the red cross have been making numerous reports about ways in which the israeli army has been harming methods to provide aid and relief to the citizens...

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

How are the Israeli bombings different from the Hamas rocket attacks?

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Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

Ah the old "they do it too" defence... the same argument used to support the actions such as the use of torture, or revenge killings that only help keep a cycle of violence going.

The better man does not stoop down to the level of their enemies... to do so makes you just as bad as they are...

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

One side is rich and the other isn't?

It's terrorism is you are poor and weak.

It's a military action of you are rich and powerful.

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

I think that's not even remotely the case here.  

You have to examine the stated goals of each side and the means by which they approach those goals.  Hamas has stated several times that they seek the destruction of Israel.  In order to carry this out they launch attacks not at the Israeli infrastructure like government or military but besiege their civilian population with rocket/mortar fire.  And I would say I'm not even sure that it is a matter of rich/poor armed forces.  There are particular armaments like mortars and rpgs that are better suited for the kind of urban warfare favored by Hamas that allows them to blend with civilian shields (which the Palestinian population is) while striking with nigh impunity in the realm of world opinion. 

 

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Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

Stated goals are not worth the leaflets they are printed on.

What a ruling class is doing and what they use to rally the people are realy in sync.  Take away the retoric that both sides use to fire up the population and the goals start being very similiar.  Both sides want land, power, and the other side being elsewhere.  This was the case long before even the disolvement of the ottoman empire.

(also keep in mind, both sides are making heavy use of human shields, both are putting civilians in the line of fire for their own political gains,.. hamas through fine-grained locations of fire and storage, israel by building towns in the middle of contested land in order to change 'the realities on the ground')

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

1)

hamas - 'Lets massacre all jews'

Israel - 'Let’s make sure we don't get killed'

Both sides use weapons to fight...

Oh yes take away why people are fighting and all that is left is 'both sides use weapons to fight'...

2)

If Israel wants land so much then why has it been offering all the land it took to all the nations it took it from after every war in return for peace treaties?!?!?!?

3)

Just what insane kind of power could Israel get by taking out hamas? oh yes the power to not get thousands of missiles launched at it while there is a cease fire and the world tells it to take like Jews in Auschwitz... yes those devious Israelis...

(the Auschwitz part is going to far but everyone basically says that while its horrible that Israel gets bombed, they shouldn’t do anything unless they are giving in to the terrorists… so its not really that far off..)

4)

So Hamas is using human shields by firing from inside civilians homes and Israel is using human shields by having people live within the borders of Israel... yes, perfect sense there... I am sure you graduated from hamas high with honors... (Israel withdrew all 'illegal' settlements within gaza years ago, the ones left are in west bank on the other side of the country and well outside the range of hamas fire... not to mention that they have no intention of shooting there...when they get the weapons, its tel aviv they will be targeting...)

 

 

While I do understand not seeing either side as the right one, the fact of the matter is, you are going to great lengths to make Israelis look as evil as you can... and no I am not saying that that I am being objective I have chosen the far lesser of two evils...

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 "oh yes the power to not get thousands of missiles launched at it while there is a cease fire"

from what i've read, the number of rockets during the ceasefire numbered more in the dozens... once the ceasefire was put into place, the number of rockets being fired was severely reduced to the point that it leads me to believe that Hamas may not have been behind the remaining rocket fire, but other smaller groups as Hamas isn't the only ones who want to lob rockets into israel... grant it, from what i can tell, Hamas is still guilty of inaction as it seems that they did not do as much as they could to stop the remaining rocket fire (the next ceasefire treaty is gonna need to include mandatory patrolling the border to make certain the smaller groups are caught and stopped)... however it should also be said that Israel was not fullfilling it's end of the ceasefire agreement either, as they were supposed to send in aid, but only sent in like 20% or 15% of what they promised; as a result life was hard for citizens living in the gaza strip... since i lack a timeline of events, it's possible the lacking aid was a reaction to the remaining rocket fire, but the point must stand that NEITHER side was actually upholding their end to the bargain fully

 

"but everyone basically says that while its horrible that Israel gets bombed, they shouldn’t do anything unless they are giving in to the terrorists"

No one is claiming israel should do NOTHING... but what Israel is doing right now is not right and they should be taking on different actions... one thing i've been going on about is that israel could be doing A LOT more to limit civilian casualties and a lot more to provide aid to the civilians... we should not be so quick to look into these matters as black and white, that one side is 100% right and the other is 100% wrong, , have that "if you are not with us, you are against us" mentality, and that to even dare question the actions of one side means to comdemn everything they do and give all your support to the otherside (like putting critics of israel down on a similar level as Hamas supporters)

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

This is why I said that I support the far lesser of two evils rather than the purely good one...

Israel isn't blameless but the main culprits are hamas...

 

OH and the only reason I said that he graduated from hamas high was because hamas is bombarding towns within pre-1967 borders... so when he said Israel is guilty of using human shields by building cities in contested territory he could only have meant all of Israel...(unless he is completely ignorant of what is going on that is...)

That is like saying Israel is committing war crimes by having people live anywhere inside of it... so yes he is a supporter of the stated goals of hamas to wipe out the entire nation of Israel...

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

True enough. But when a man chooses the lesser of two evils, he is still choosing evil.

Something I've been thinking about... If the US did for some reason speak up against Israel's actions, what kind of credibility do we have to tell them to stand down?

After all, using the Bush Doctrine we invaded a country bent on unseating the leader. It was supposed to be for our safety. We launched a preemptive strike to 'defend ourselves' from future attacks.

I'm no trying to push any political agenda here, my point was what ever we say as a nation, the rest of the world rolls its eyes and says "uh huh... yeah, right."

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

The US has no credibility to criticize Israel...

The US blew up two countries after 3 terrorist attacks...

There have been thousands upon thousands of terrorist attacks on Israel...

It would be like a terrorist making a beheading video also criticizing the bad treatment of his friends in Guantanamo bay…

Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

 Well, that is why Obama did make a speech pointing out that the US needs to set a better example... True, the US due to it's past actions like the war in iraq could not talk against Israel, however with the coming of the Obama administration, Obama could in theory, criticize Israel's actions due to the fact that he himself has long said that he never supported the iraq war in the first place... unlike Bush, Obama would not be a hypocrite

Ofcourse, whether or not Obama would do so is highly suspect... afterall, politically speaking, the move would be bad in that a good portion of the country already have misgivings about him, and much of the country expects him to stand by israel no matter what... to actually criticize the actions of an ally would be very bold, and i'm not sure Obama would do such a thing

Frankly, many people read criticism as being anti-israel and supportive of terrorism... but fact of the matter is, allies are not necessarily pure. We should not stand by and support everything they do... this is a lot like with russia and georgia; people were very quick to condemn russia and say that georgia was nothing but a victim, but at the same time they ignored what Georgia was doing within it's own country that lead to the conflict... just because we view them as an ally does not mean we should be blind to their actions... Hell the mentality of giving any ally a free pass is the kind of thinking that brought Sadam into power... When it comes down to it, Israels attacks have been going to far and a ceasefire is gonna be harder to obtain until israel starts pulling their forces back. 

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 Well said, poorly spelt. But that's okay.

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Hamas have it coming.

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Re: Web Game Takes Israeli Side in Gaza Conflict

Bit hard to use soldiers when any terrorist can leg it round a corner into an alley, chuck his gun over a wall and emerge the other side a 'blameless victim'

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A necessary risk... Yes a militant might run and manage to get away, but the alternative would be using bombings and killing about a dozen civilians just to get that militant.

And sure, maybe by using soldiers the israeli soldiers might take some  casualties, but that's what they signed up to do... they signed up to fight for their nation, to follow the orders of their leaders, and that they may very well die doing so... this is unlike the civilians who are often just bystanders, who may or may not even support their own government's actions; unlike the soliders, they are not prepared to die fighting for the cause of their government.

Use of bombing is effective, but so are nukes; you are much more certain to take out your target...but there is a damn good reason we don't just drop nukes on a nation we are fighting... In war, people die, but that doesn't mean we should not do everything within our power to limit those casualties, especially amognst those that do not fight

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Actually, in Israel, you don't sign up for the military. Every Jewish person is required to serve for a minimum of two years active duty and several years of reserves. So your comment about Israeli soldiers signing up is pretty much turned on its head there whereas it fits perfectly with militant group recruitment.

Also, Hamas have always used random fire rockets and mortars, as well as suicide bombings of public places to get their point across. They have no qualms with sending a suicide bomber into a crowded hotel lobby or marketplace, somewhere that isn't politically active, and killing civilians. Israel may bomb a few civilian structures and there may be some civilian casualties, but suicide bombers and random fire rockets are usually all civilian casualties. Where is the outcry at their tactics? They specifically choose a crowded civilian area for their suicide bombings. Why aren't you saying that they should limit their civilian casualties?

I agree that ground troops should be sent in, but only after the hot spots have been softened by bombings. Issue an ultimatum, then bombard, then send in ground forces. That method tends to work quite well for area seiges. Besides, if the non-militant civilians haven't left by now, or aren't attempting to leave, then its their choice to stay and they probably aren't going to change their mind.

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Now where the hell did you even remotely get the idea that i have no problem with the methods Hamas uses and that i do not have any outrage over what they do? Do go putting words in my mouth and jumping to such ridiculous conclusions... unlike some people i do not paint this situation as so cleanly black and white over who is right and who is wrong and take the more gray position that both sides have problems... But just because Hamas targets cilivians and does nothing to lower those casualties DOES NOT mean the israeli military should do the same. The israeli military should be trying to be the better man if they want to keep feeling justified in their attacks... by stooping to a lower level they show themselves to be no better than the enemies they fight against

As for the cilivians, based on comments from cilivians in Gaza, many feel as though they do not have any place to run too... The Militants are wide spread and all over Gaza, and if the only safe place is anywhere where those militants are not, then that leaves them no place in Gaza to run to... I imagine the only place where people could hope to run to and feel safe would be being able to cross over the border into egypt and seek refuge there... but we are talking about a population of a million people here... that is not gonna make for a quick evacuation; not to emntion that much of Gaza is without power much less other luxuries that would make moving easier... you can be sure a lot of cilivians are likely trying to run but they got little place to run to; Hell, there are even reports that say that shelters set aside for cilivians are being hit with bombs.

the method of bomb first and clean up with infantry works well... the same could say with just dropping a nuke on an entire city. Just because a methods "works well" does not make the method right. Especially not when you are delaing with guerillas that blend in well with the general population, in a densely populated urban environment and with no known bases... by using such bombardmnet methods in this kind situation you end up hitting a lot of cilivians; hell you might end up wiping out a whole building of cilivians beacuse a few militants ran inside making you think it was being used as an outpost... the method of bomb first then send in ground troops, is best to be used when you know for a fact that the enemy is the only ones you are targeting...

 
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