Judge Comes Down Hard on Video Games in Halo 3 Murder Trial

January 13, 2009 -

As GamePolitics reported yesterday, a judge in Lorain County, Ohio ruled that 17-year-old Daniel Petric was guilty of shooting his parents in a dispute over whether or not the teen could play Halo 3. Petric's mother was killed in the 2007 incident.

A comment made by Judge James Burge during the delivery of his verdict in the case of gamer Petric is getting wide play in both the mainstream and gaming press:

I firmly believe that Daniel Petric had no idea at the time he hatched this plot that if he killed his parents, they would be dead forever.

Pretty negative toward games, right? But Burge's full remarks are much worse. GamePolitics created the transcript below from a video of the sentencingwhich is posted on the website of the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

By way of context, Judge Burge explains that expert testimony during Petric's trial failed to establish an insanity defense, forcing him to find Petric guilty as charged. But the judge apparently believes that the young man is deeply troubled and that video games are a primary factor:

The Court must enter a finding of guilty on the counts set forth in the indictment. That being said, it's my firm belief as a human being - and not as a jurist - that Daniel does suffer from a serious defect of the mind.

 

This Court's opinion is that we don't know enough about these video games. In this particular case, not so much the violence of the game because I believe in the Halo 3, what it amounts to is a contest to see who can shoot the most aliens who attack.

 

It's my firm belief that after a while the same physiological responses occur that occur in the ingestion of some drugs. And I believe that an addiction to these games can do the same thing. The dopamine surge, the stimulation  of the nucleus accumbens - the same as an addiction. Such that when you stop, your brain won't stand for it.

 

The other dangerous thing about these games, in my opinion, is that when these changes occur, they occur in an environment that is delusional. Because you can shoot these aliens, and they're there again the next day. You have to shoot them again. And I firmly believe that Daniel Petric had no idea, at the time he hatched this plot, that if he killed his parents, they would be dead forever.

Burge's parting shot seems to indicate a belief on the judge's part that we haven't heard the last of Daniel Petric and his supposed video game issues:

But I believe there is hope here. I believe that it will start here and, uh, at some point when all is known about Daniel and what occurred here we will be able to achieve a greater sense of justice.


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Crossposted from my blog:

While I'm thrilled that Judge Burge has learned something about video game addiction, I have difficulty believing Daniel didn't know his parents 'would be dead forever.' 

I understand that Daniel and his father were gun enthusiasts and regularly visited their local gun club for target practice. Assuming that the gun club and Rev. Petric instilled proper respect for deadly weapons, Daniel will have learned how to empty, clean, store, transport, load, and fire one or more handguns. He will also have been taught a thousand times the consequences of mishandling a gun.

The suggestion that any amount of video game play, even addictive or compulsive play, with whatever in-game BFG's he was using to cut down aliens in Halo 3 would undo that learning causes me to be very skeptical. I stand by my assertions around gaming addiction, but I firmly believe Daniel knew the consequences of his actions, planned a first degree homicide, and got caught.

It's time for him to be sentenced.

 

-Brad

www.exgamer.net

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I know it's kinda rude, but I'm surprised nobody's made some kind of pun about a "frame rate" yet.

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This article seems to fly in the face of what is being reported this side of the Atlantic on the case

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7826663.stm

The BEEB is reporting that the judge rejected such pleas of insanity by video game as he had been planning it for weeks.  How odd.

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Like I commented in the last one, this kid was brought up religiously. Going to heaven, yes, but respawning ain't in their dictionary people. No 17-year old would be THIS delusional just by gaming a bit.

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So by the judges rationale, if you can provide testimony that someone is addicted to heroin , or crack, or methamphetamine or any other pharmaceutical (or gambling for that matter), then they could legitimately get an insanity plea...

Because that's what it sounds like for games.  Present enough pseudo science that game addiction made him do it and bingo, insanity...

Surely you aren't saying that judge?

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What I hope the judge believes is that this video game addiction is a symptom, and not the infection.

GameSnooper

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REALITY: This man is a Judge.

FANTASY: This man is a Judge who apparently is an expert in psychology and neurology, and can make a sweeping diagnosis of the negative affects of gaming based on one boy's actions.

Hey judge, do the world a favor and stop givning an expert opinion on things you're not an expert on.

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OK, firstly I believe that the judge made the correct decision.  The boy shot and killed his mother because he was mad at the rules established in the house.  The same rules that were in place before his accident which put him on medication and restricted him to the home for long periods of time.

I understand this more than most as my son has thrown a fit for the same reasons, he didn't like the house rules.  The key in both instances, the medications.  My son is on medication for lack of impulse control.  He cannot rationalize why something cannot be done right now, as soon as it pops in his mind, whether its getting food, going outside without a coat, etc.  I do not know what his biological father did to him as a child.  I have heard stories, but in the end I will never know.

All that to say this: who truly knows what any medications given to anyone is going to do.  Listen to any drug commercial and 45 out of 60 seconds list possible side effects that will or will not effect any number of people taking that drug.

Was the Petric boy insane, no.  Did Halo make him act out in a fit of rage and anger towards his parents because he did not like their rules, no.  Did everything combined push him over the edge of sound reason, yes.  No different than anyone of us loosing our temper in a fit of road rage because the little blue haired lady that cannot see over her steering-wheel is swerving back and forth across the yellow divider line and we are late for work and cannot pass her.

The difference, most people yell, curse, rant, and rave, and beat their own steering-wheel, but we do not ram the woman off the road.  If we were medicated, what would we do?

But in the end, playing halo while medicated could truly warp Petrics sense of reality.  Does not make him insane, it makes him influencable.

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I only have a short time, so I can't read through the whole thread, but I wanted to make this statement.

The idea that the murderer didn't realize that his parents would be gone forever is ONLY supported if this teenager NEVER had any other exposure to death, nothing in TV, nothing in movies, never had a family member or schoolmate die. As I don't believe that is the case, I think the judge made an error in his reasoning.The only correct statement he made was that they don't know enough about the games.

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When it comes down to it, the judge succeeds at being a judge and his opinion fails...

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

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"It's my firm belief that after a while the same physiological responses occur that occur in the ingestion of some drugs. And I believe that an addiction to these games can do the same thing. The dopamine surge, the stimulation  of the nucleus accumbens - the same as an addiction. Such that when you stop, your brain won't stand for it."

Make your mind Mr.Judge, is it the video games the guy killed for, or his little rush? Either way, if it wasn't video games, it could've been extreme sports. Which is way more dangerous. In short, it's fun when old people try to understand younger behaviors, fails, and quickly press themselves to find a guilty.

"The other dangerous thing about these games, in my opinion, is that when these changes occur, they occur in an environment that is delusional. Because you can shoot these aliens, and they're there again the next day. You have to shoot them again. And I firmly believe that Daniel Petric had no idea, at the time he hatched this plot, that if he killed his parents, they would be dead forever."

With the american television, and it's afternoon shows, I'm pretty sure the average children understands the concept of death without too much problem ; death = gone, even if it's implemented in a humorsitic setting and hurts like hell to face in real life.. To say that a 17 year old troubled son did not realize what he was doing is plain wrong

"This Court's opinion is that we don't know enough about these video games. In this particular case, not so much the violence of the game because I believe in the Halo 3, what it amounts to is a contest to see who can shoot the most aliens who attack."

Then why are you even talking, Mr.Judge? Or even taking a life changing decision based on lack of information?

All in all, it's an ordinary angry teenager vs parents attempting some discipline in their households scene who turned out to be extraordinary, and sad... All is as it should be, for once again, a young man's death is another man's political fodder.

 

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...nevermind.

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4th post this time

"I believe in the Halo 3, what it amounts to is a contest to see who can shoot the most aliens who attack."

This statement alone, deems my opinon that the judge is getting the game mixed up with Space Invaders... like this is the reason why us gamers have to suffer at the stipidity of others, it is because we are the ones who have played the game, yet people who make judgements on us don't really have any idea what the game is about.

 

TBoneTony

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also, and I don't mind posting 3 times today...

"This Court's opinion is that we don't know enough about these video games."

Simple, if you don't understand enough about videogames, isn't it more logical to take a deep breath, admit that you don't know much about videogames, and try to PLAY videogames to understand them more instead of raving about how games and the resprawn aliens MIGHT have played a part in the teenager going ballistic on his parents?

Because all that the judge is doing is making people confused about what the court's opinion is and what his opinion is...

 

No...wait...these people who don't play games don't bother trying to understand because it takes too much...what is the word? Oh they don't have enough TIME to play Videogames...

 

So they just instead lable all us gamers as game addicted all because we take the time to play them.

 

I can see what the logic here...and it is sad that the world is this way.

 

TBoneTony

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What I am trying to say is, there are people who get angry when they don't get what they want, look at a certain disbarred laywer for example and many of the politicians in the white house....

 

and when someone is so angry, all their common sence is thrown out the window because it does not get what they want and they throw tantrums like a 3 year old....

 

 

TBoneTony

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"This Court's opinion is that we don't know enough about these video games."

That was the only line that made any sence...

It is the Court's opinion is that THEY don't know enoughg about THESE videogames...

But us gamers, who PLAY videogames, we KNOW allot more about videogames because we have PLAYED them...

 

All the rest of his opinions and how he says that because of the aliens that die are not enough to convince this person that if he shot his parents he did not realize that they would be dead forever...

 

I mean...What the Hell????

 

No matter who is crazy or not, I think that everyone in their right mind would tell that if you shoot someone in real life they would be dead....

 

and what about the toy guns???? Why arn't they targeted????

 

Don't they do the same thing as videogames????

 

Seriously.... the fact that the judge says that he and the people of the court don't know enough about videogames...and then to say what he said....I don't think that is fair to say that type of generalization....

 

Is the judge really saying that, or is the mainstreem press blowing this out of all proportion????

 

If you ask me, videogames are not to blame here, it is the HATE that is in SOCIETY that is to blame here... but no one is ever mentioning it because they can't do anything about the HATE in SOCIETY, so they target something innocent and defenceless instead...

 

now THAT...is the real sad thing in society....

 

But I guess we have gone on and on about this before but no one that ever matters has ever listened to us.

 

TBoneTony

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So by his logic if I suddenly stopped playing games then I would go out and kill someone. Yeah that makes perfect sense *roll*

And you know who can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy? Crazy people! Unless you have proof that videogames made him crazy then you're just talking out of your ass. And even if it did lead to his mental instability so what? There are literally millions (if not billions) of people who play videogames. You don't see people running around the streets gunning people down and then teabagging the bodies now do you? These people are a minority who were crazy to begin with and just happened to be connected to videogames to varying degrees.

I've been a gamer practically from the moment I could use a controller and I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs. And I've never killed anyone or even been arrested for anything. Heck I've only been in a couple fights at school and they were all started by someone else and never resulted in any injuries save for maybe a small bruise or scratch. You know why? Because I'm not crazy, heh heh, or at least not that crazy.

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Read the comments on the video, they think the Judge should be thrown off the bench

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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After the defendant played Clue over and over again, I firmly believe that he thought that, like Mr. Boddy, if his parents died they would just come back to life and someone else would get the opportunity to kill them.

It also made him believe that investigators would still be confused over which weapon killed his parents even after examining a corpse with a gunshot wound.

Damn you interactivity.

Now we have to explain to him that he can't just pay $50 to be released from prison.

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I say he should just take his chances and try to roll doubles.

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Hah. Screw that. I drew a 'get out of jail free' card back in 88'. Been holding on to it ever since...

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Does even Jack Thompson sincerely believe that games have the same physiological effects as games? lung cancer, death, all sorts of crap vs. a video game ...?

Games are the scapegoat of the day and a long time ago a judge thought mobster movies were responsible for a certain kid committing a crime as well.

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It doesn´t matter. He just hates videogames because he could never "put down the industry" or Take Two with his faux cultural war.

He feels alone.

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You kind of have to dig down into the Search pages of Google, down past this story and his fight against lethal injection as a form of Capital Punishment to find other articles regarding this judge.

Apparently, while Capital Punishment is "cruel and unusual" by lethal injection, beating a kid with a belt across the back is considered acceptable forms of "Corporal Punishment" to this judge.

http://pattiewald.blogspot.com/2007/08/judge-and-belt.html

There are a great deal of articles dealing with lethal injection and this murder case, but if anyone else can find some articles on this judge's other decisions, I'd like to see them.  Thanks.

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If I may take a moment away from the discussion, I'd just like to say:

Nightwng, it's comments like this that make me look forward to reading what you have to say.  I can't think of any particular time that I've been disappointed with one of your posts.  There's always been something good in them.

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"This Court's opinion is that we don't know enough about these video games."

And having said that, he then proceeds to speak at length about them in a critical manner, holding forth with his opinions, which while sensationalized, don't add up to a hill of beans. I don't know a lot about advanced particle physics, so if I were to try and tell people about it, you can guarantee what I tell them would be BS.

"The other dangerous thing about these games, in my opinion, is that when these changes occur, they occur in an environment that is delusional."

Yes. That environment is what we call "fiction", or "make-believe". Star Wars occurs in the same environment. So does Goldilocks and the 3 bears. Most people are taught at a young age and have the mental faculties to differentiate this "make-believe" from another environment which we refer to as "real life". If someone can't do that, it isn't the fault of the fiction, it's the result of that person's mental deficiency/disorder/damage.

 

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The judge came out looking like a hypocrite in this case. He chastitized the defense for using the "halo made me do it" defense and yet he bashed Halo claiming that the game made the kid ignorant about life and death. In fact I have a better question to ask all the adults on this website, why do these kids blame the video game they're playing when they are not supposed to be even near these games anyway? Games like Halo 3, Resistance 2, Call of Duty 4 and so on are full of 12 to 15 year olds with utterly retarded comments and curse like PO'ed sailors. Instead of complaining about the video games they should complain about parents and their serious lack of responsibility.

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"...why do these kids blame the video game they're playing when they are not supposed to be even near these games anyway?"

Based on what?  ESRB ratings are not laws.  They are guidelines to help parents.  Parents can follow them or ignore them based on how mature they think their kid is.  If a parent judges his kid to be mature enough, that kid is 'supposed' to be near the game.

We need to understand that an ESRB rating is not an ethical imperative.  In fact, such a rating may not even be useful, since there is no proven link between violent games and any negative behaviour on the part of children who play such games.

In short, your implication that violent games are harmful for kids is not based on any real world data.  It's based on baseless prejudice, pure and simple.

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"has found the 17-year-old guilty"

he was 17, whats Halo rated in the US?

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17+, but he was 16 when he purchased it, although he never got a chance to play it, as his parents took it from him as soon as he got home from buying it

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

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damn, they were probably going to let him play it when he turned 17. 

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Well, quite frankly I think that this huge resurgence in FPS games and the extreme gore and violence present in all genres in a growing percentage of them could cause problems.

Compare quake 3 to something like fallout 3 in level of detail on the gore. Quake 3 is an older first person shooter game that at the time has some pretty gruesome graphics to it. The series was known for this kind of stuff, and in the first person shooter genre the quake series is known to be pretty intense. The violence and gore isn't that out of place, and if I remember correctly, most of it could be turned off.

Now let's fast forward over a half decade down the road to fallout 3. Fallout 3 is an action RPG. It's also hugely bloody, hugely gory, you can literally blast someone's head into high detail giblets with a shotgun, and eat their butchered corpse. (The butchering is not shown, it's the same dialogue as opening a container of items, to my knowledge).

Why do I draw the comparison across generations? Well, action RPGs haven't been known for these kinds of images. Around quake 3, we had morrowind as our action RPG. Although morrowind did have some slightly disturbing images, they were nowhere near as nasty as fallout 3. Coincidentally, morrowind and fallout 3 are both made by the same company.

 

As a whole the gaming industry isn't going towards non-violent immersion. We have the physics processing power to...well, let me give you a scenario.

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The player character 'Hero' has a mission to assassinate a slave trader who is staying in a local inn built into the side of a city's wall. 'Hero' is given no other restrictions, other than this man must die. Today's computers-and consoles to a lesser extent, would allow 'Hero' the following options if a game was made:

Plant powder kegs at the base of hte wall outside the city and detonate them with a fireball, thus collapsing the city wall over the inn.

Smash through the city wall with a warhammer, into the back of the inn, and charge the bewildered slave trader.

Set fire to the inn and burn the entire thing down

Poison the slave trader

Sneak in while he's sleeping and put a dagger in him

Shoot him through his window

Shoot a fire arrow through his window

and many other options.

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Instead of those kinds of options available in our action RPGs, we can blow a mutant's head into chunks and eat its corpse. In the same game, the physics are so poor that a mop bucket easily stops the player from continuing, and requires him to go around.

If you'll notice, none of the options in my scenario involved extreme gore, however, we could spend an inordinate amount of time letting the player raise a skeleton out of the still living slave trader, brutally ripping him apart. The same amount of time doing this animation and blood could go into programming an entire branch of AI that let you hire someone to kill the slave trader, or to round up that AI's friends to group up on him.

No, instead of this kind of awesome immersion that would let you level a city (and watch the AI rebuild it piece by piece), we have fallout 3, left 4 dead, dead space, and other mind numbing garbage that's built on recycled engines with recycled graphics and recycled concepts.

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"left 4 dead... and other mind numbing garbage"

Your argument is officially null and void. Thanks for playing, though!

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I'm sorry, could you not understand that argument?

In left 4 dead, there is only one way to kill a zombie, and they have millions of scripted events meant to encourage adrenal gameplay, much like a game of laser tag. With laser tag there's an "Oh, awesome, this is fun!" when you see a really cool setting with nice fog effects and mirrors.

Now, if in left 4 dead you could topple a building and stop the zombie onslaught for a decent amount of time while you used the toppled building to get to a rooftop and flare for a helicoptor pickup?

How about if the zombies could come through drywall at you at random?

It IS mind numbing garbage when you think of it. You're rewarded for staying inside the very obvious lines they draw for you, even if the lines appear to give you a lot of room. I've always thought, in one particular zombie survival map I played on that was set on a farm

"What if I could line straw out, puncture that fuel tank, and make a wall of fire?"

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I love it when people trot out the old "You're clearly too stupid to understand what I'm saying!" card. You're essentially complaining that this cake you're eating is not a pie. L4D is not a sandbox game, and crying about the fact that it isn't is pretty silly. Hence my comment, which is still valid, given the fact that you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

"In left 4 dead, there is only one way to kill a zombie"

Alright, time to come clean... you've never played this game. Not once. There are lots of ways to kill zombies: You can shoot them, you can bludgeon them, you can burn them, you can explode them, you can knock them off high places... and if you get creative, you can use combinations pretty effectively.

"Now, if in left 4 dead you could topple a building"

Yeah! Who needs a realistic development budget, anyway? While we're at it, why can't you just flood the streets with gasoline and wipe out all the zombies with one match? Why can't you use jiu-jitsu on the zombies? Why can't you eat a steak dinner? Valve is clearly comprised of nothing but hacks.

"How about if the zombies could come through drywall at you at random?"

They do. If you'd actually played the game you're bitching about, you'd know there's a type of zombie that does this all the time called the Tank. Loves bursting through drywall.

"What if I could line straw out, puncture that fuel tank, and make a wall of fire?"

You can. You don't even need the straw. Looks pretty sweet, too. Seriously, try playing the game before you act like you're an expert on it.

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Left 4 Dead is not meant to be an open sandbox type game.  It's more like a linear shooter, but with a bit more freedom.  Your argument suggests that all linear shooters are by definition 'not fun', but that isn't the case.  Linear shooters are fun because where you go and how you get there aren't the point.  The point is found in the more cinematic experience they provide, in increasing your skill and (in terms of L4D) in the team-based tactics you use.

Yes, if L4D was more open - if you could choose where you go and how you get there - that might be more fun.  But developers in the real world have limited time and a limited budget.  Criticizing L4D because its developers did not make it an infinitely open-ended game suggests you live in a world of fantasy where game developers have unlimited time and resources.

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While you have a somewhat good point; you are ignoring hardware limitations with all your examples. What you suggest has been tried, and has for the most part failed during the implementation stages. The few cases that made it (Red Faction, Fracture, Bad Company) turned it into a gimmick. The development and implementation costs resulted in a lackluster overall product. I agree it would be cool, but aside from setting up a preset series of "Scripted" events to mimic what you ask for, there is just no way to achieve the desired effect with any decent sort of product length.

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Fallout 3 is gory because that was a staple of the first two Fallouts. The new developers (Bethsoft) wanted to keep various aspects of the original, and the Bloody Mess perk was one of the most memorable.

However Oblivion was pretty brutal for a T rated game. Seems like a mostly natural evolution to the new grounds of the M rating for Bethsoft.

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So, can the judge also explain this to me, if Petric thought they would respawn, why would he need to try and frame his father for it.....

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 maybe he was just passing the controller?

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"And I firmly believe that Daniel Petric had no idea, at the time he hatched this plot, that if he killed his parents, they would be dead forever."

I have a feeling that if this is true, the superstition of eternal life that his religious upbringing holds as truth probably had a bit more to do with it than videogames. The difference is that everybody knows videogames are fantasy.

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You're absolutely right.  Many religious people kill others under the guise of "oh well, they'll be resurrected by my Lord and Savior."

Oh wait!  That's foolish!

It's hardly reasonable to compare respawning in a video game to the concept of an eternal soul.  In the case of one, you jump back up the next day in the other you die and you're still physically dead forever.

But, then, I doubt your comment had anything to do with intending to be reasonable.

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Perhaps you should visit the Southern US some time. Examine the logic of a random samling of church goers. Most will tell you that this is not the "real" life. Oh well, "I will pray for you," good sir.

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 Ban religion, and all fiction related unto it.

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The First Ammendment foils your bigotry. In a quite spectacular fashion too.

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Please Ban Religion. Its the worse thing to happen to mankind. Or course humans made it up so i guess we are screwed.

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 Good thing that I'm not American. Its like throwing a crucifix at a werewolf son.

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What if it was a silver pointy crucifix?

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Judge Comes Down Hard on Video Games in Halo 3 Murder Trial

wouldn't that make it a graven image?

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Judge Comes Down Hard on Video Games in Halo 3 Murder Trial

IIRC, holy warriors have made weapons out of crosses or had crosses implemented in making weapons. I think the motive was to make them more holy.

Then again...

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james_fudgeshouldn't that be marked as an editorial? There's a lot of opinion in it.11/24/2014 - 12:49pm
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Wonderkarpnah. I was miffed, but I got my apology. Now I think its hilarious that htey put me in that. I told my friend and cohost of my lets plays once I move, and she said she's gonna try to make the list XD. I told her "Just follow these people"11/24/2014 - 12:24pm
Andrew EisenHeh, looks like we confirmed it at the same time!11/24/2014 - 12:15pm
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WonderkarpI wasnt 100% certain so I confirmed it.11/24/2014 - 12:13pm
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Wonderkarpno, Randi Harper designed the list that IGDA used.11/24/2014 - 11:53am
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