NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and Profanity in Games

January 13, 2009 -

A new legislative proposal to restrict the sale of video games portraying negative racial stereotypes and bad language has been proposed in the New York Assembly.

The measure, A01474, was submitted by Assemblyman Keith L.T. Wright, a Democrat from Manhattan. The bill, which has been referred to the Assembly's Consumer Protection and Affairs Committee:

Prohibits the sale to minors of certain rated video games containing a rating that reflects content of various degrees of profanity, racist stereotypes or derogatory language, and/or actions toward a specific group of persons.

A similar bill proposed by Wright in 2007 failed to pass.

GamePolitics readers will recall that New York passed a video game law in 2008 mandating - redundantly - that game packages display ratings and that consoles offer parental control features. The video game industry did not bring a legal challenge, however, since those remedies were already in place and the law did not threaten sales.


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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Well, it would have been bad if you look at it in the Resident Evil 5 perspective. having a White Man gunning down Black Man. but its a shame Politician is not looking at it seriously. so for short. if he is thrown into a real life situation involving a Virus outbreak. will he be going. "i am not going to shoot you because i believe in Racial Harmony!" and getting himself bitten to death? i don't think any sane person would think of that. Instead we can actually rely on Resident Evil 5 to teach us about what a Virus Outbreak would cause to Society.

P.S damn! i can't miss out the fun in here! i am new. nice to meet you all! and i am young enough to be concentrating on getting Laid instead of doing Politics! but this is TOO FUN TO MISS. lol

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

This goes back to the issue that parents don't pay enough attention to ratings...

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

I suppose this means that there can never be a Snoop Dog game rated E, even if Snoop Dog wants to lend his star-power to a math-education game.

This bill would be a lot less silly if there weren't so many famous people playing up their stereotypes to begin with. 

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Clear violation of the First Amendment. The nanny-state can't restrict what minors can or can't watch, play, read or listen to as minors have First Amendment rights. That is the sole responsibility of the individual parents to decide and enforce on their own.

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Save teh childern ban the world....dose not compute.....


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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

I have got to get to gamepolitics earlier, I miss all the good discussions.

How do they define derogatory? I mean their exact definition. I can't find the text of the bill.

Would the protagonist insulting the antagonist be considered derogatory?

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

So what about those 50 cent games? Aren't they portraying a racist stereotype as well?

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Do you think this guy was inspired by Joe Baca?

 

 

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Who defines a racist stereotype? I hear certain racist words out of the race they're degrading to more often than I do the race most often accused of being racist.

However, 'dumbass' doesn't seem to be racist yet. Nor does 'naive'.

ESRB ratings should NOT be legislated, because the ESRB has shown VERY obvious bias and VERY poor judgement in many of its M ratings.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

***many of its M ratings where AOs should have been given, or Ts.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Simple (but extremely stupid) solution really, put a label on EVERYTHING that could expose minors to racist stereotypes and profanity. That'll fix everything. It'll be like the prohibition movement, which did absolutely NOTHING. (Well, it did increase bootlegging, if that counts.)

Anyone find it strange they don't mention shielding minors from pornography? Or do they realize that there's literally no possible way in doing so? If it's the latter, why bother shielding them from the other two? It's a harsh world we live in, sugarcoating the truth might have detrimental effects.

But honestly, people seriously have to stop dragging race into everything, it's unfortunate, but racism is rather apparent. We just have to deal with it to the best of our ability, and not let it cloud our judgment of people.

It's not a problem that is just going to magically disappear overnight, you know? So this bill, if it passes (Heaven forbid) really won't make much of a difference in the long run. 

That's just my opinion. What does everyone else think?

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

How on Earth is this going to be enforced, who is going to define what is 'acceptable' and what is not?

What about a game that uses racial stereotyping to satirise or ridicule racists, much like GTA does freqiently?

 

So many questions, so much vagueness...

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Racism, although rare, is still breathing.  These kids are gonna encounter it at schools and such.  And hell, some kids are already exposed to racism and profanity.

 

Also, that man makes me feel ashame for being black.  Just another one of us using our race for an pointless issue.

 

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

The problem is what would you define as a racial stereotype?

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Ok..but whos going to ban the racsist kids from the games?

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Technically speaking, this bill won't shield minors from anything. It's merely delaying the inevitable. There's no way minors won't see racist stereotypes and hear profanity. They go to school and watch movies don't they? Seriously, don't politicians have bigger fish to fry? It's New York, there has to be more pressing issues to deal with...

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Exactly! These kids go to school. They'll pick up the profanity and racial stereotypes on the playground; they don't need to get them from video games or any other form of media.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

I think I'm starting to develop a sense for which bills are a farce and which bills are a threat.  I'm not the least bit worried about this one.

Although, if it were to pass, all future Tak games would be at risk.  They make a mockery of tribal people, after all.  Oh, and every fighting game, ever, because developers don't know how to not include stereotypes in those.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Finally! Legislation that declares it is illegal for anyone but white americans to commit crimes in games.

It would seem that Assemblyman Wright is a racist.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Will the government nanny please come and wipe my ass since not sure I can do it without some sort of psychological damage of having to do the dirty dead. 

 

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

I'm gonna bet this will not pass costitutional muster.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

So most M games will be banned then?

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

"...content of various degrees of profanity, racist stereotypes or derogatory language, and/or actions toward a specific group of persons."

You just WANT me to go there yet again, don't you?

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Yes we do!

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Let's see:

Familiar arguments about how segregating one media format from all others formats, genres, etc

Familiar arguments about various religions promoting bigotry and hate being "exempt" from such laws.

Familiar arguments calling "bullpucky" to the arguments that bigotry, such as racism, can ONLY be against one group but not another.  Bigotry, even racism, is bigotry, no matter who the victim is and no matter who the attacker is.

I've been on the rampage in the past about abuse and bigotry, but we have to remember that no one is FORCED to purchase ANY product containing such material.  This is closer to the willing participation of friends who pick at one another, even roughly.

Also, do you discern between who CREATED the material vs what the materil contains?  For example, many African-American rap singers have created music that many in society find objectionable to the African-American community.  If we translated this to the video game industry, do we consider said material "racist" if it came from someone of the same race?

There is plenty of bigotry and hate from even popular, accepted sources.  Will THEY be held to the same standards?  They haven't in other media formats.

The fact is, this bill is not merely unconstitutional, it is unethical and bigotted as well.

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

They do realize then that every Xbox Live enabled game, every single PS3 multiplayer game, and every Mutliplayer PC game would have to be recalled in the state of New York. Hell, let's recall Xbox 360's while we're at it. We all know what filthy and racist mouths that lot has. Just play Halo 3 for proof.

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

This law will finally do something about those savage racial stereotypes in videogames!! No more will our green Koopa Troopas grow up thinking that they have to walk off ledges!!!

In all seriousness, does this mean ALL racial stereotypes, or just the ones that happen to piss off the hippies? I mean, if we start trying to make every game completely PC then no one would be able to connect with any of them... thus negating their enjoyment.

How bout this: New York passes a law that states parental responsibility is mandatory. If parents don't want their kids to be exposed to negative stereotypes and bad words, then I suggest putting them in a plastic bubble and hiding them from the real world.

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

No doubt. WTF is the world coming to???

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

I guess Gears of War would fall under this bill?  What about Street Figher games that have characters like T.Hawk & Dee Jay?  Is Gordon Freeman a negative white stereotype?  (of course hating on white people is considered a good thing by most people)  What about Mario and the fat, blue-collar italian stereotype?

Who would decide which games are racist?

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

 'Is Gordon Freeman a negative white stereotype?'

 

No. Gordon Freeman is the physical embodiment of 'totally freakin' sweet'.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Actually, Gordon Freeman is the physical embodiment of what every geek wishes he could be; a smart, respected scientist who gets to work in a secret government facility who can also single-handly stop both an alien invasion and US Special Ops.

Alex Vance on the other hand is every geek's fantasy; a non-white female who can both shoot a gun and build giant awesome robots.  What geek wouldn't want that as a g/f?

What was the topic again?  Oh yeah, racist games.

Half-life is totally racist against inter-dimensonal beings.

 

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

All the security guards looked exactly the same, that's definately racist!

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

And why is it that the WHITE headcrab gets to control dead bodies, but the BLACK headcrab doesn't?  What, they saying only a white headcrab is intelligent enough to move around a corpse?  That's racist.

 

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

The black headcrabs got to control bodies, too. They just had to give six other black headcrabs a ride and serve as a launching platform. I'm sure someone can make a racist connection out of that.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Only 3/5 of the black headcrab population is counted?

OR

See what happens when you let one black headcrab move into the neighborhood?  You open the door for his entire family.

 

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Wait....there were black headcrabs in Half-Life??????

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

There were in Half-life 2.  They were faster than the white ones and if they hit you your health would drop to 1 for a few seconds, then slowly go back up to what it originally was before you got hit.

They couldn't kill you but they could keep your health at 1 so long as you kept getting bit. 

 

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Does the ESRB even have a rating remark for "racist stereotypes or derogatory language, and/or actions toward a specific group of persons"? This has no enforcibility at ALL.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

 ESRB is not the vanguard of enforcible content. They labelled an intimate moment between an asexual alien and a human as sexual content. The aliens fucking asexual, the completely opposite of sexual. Christ.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

You have an incredible skill for making remarks that have nothing to do with the comment to which you're responding.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

To be fair the "Sexual content" marker on Mass Effect could be construed as referring to the possible human-human sexual scenes or simply the fact that there is a single human engaged in sexual activity.

It doesn't take two people to make something sexual. A masturbation scene would be just as sexual (albeit in a different degree or way) than an intercourse scene.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

For conservative people, even a goddamn kiss is something sexual.

 

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

For <b>social</b> conservatives, yes.  That term, btw, is something of an oxymoron.  One of the founding ideals of conservatism is to not have the government interfere in your affairs or personal choice, though few remember that now.

Goes to show that a lot of the labels thrown around today like liberal, conservative, socialist, etc. all really mean the same thing: bullshit.

 

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

"Goes to show that a lot of the labels thrown around today like liberal, conservative, socialist, etc. all really mean the same thing: bullshit." IAWTC.

And its funny, since most of the time its the Democrats who are trying to pass laws that restrict video games.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Republicans want to force morality on you and Democrats think you're too stupid to run your own life. It's a lose-lose situation.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

 And you have a two party system: you are quite frankly, fucked.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

No, we have a multi-party system. It is just that two parties have the majority control over the populous.

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Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Damn straight! The sheep of our country don't realize that "Republican" and "Democrat" are not the only parties. They're both pretty new actually.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Unfortunately, the libertarian party doesn't do better in the country. Having a government that doesn't moralize or treat its citizens like morons would be great. I don't know what we'd do if everyone suddenly became responsible for his own actions and couldn't rely on some sort of government aid to help him out when he stubs his toe.

Re: NY Bill Would Shield Minors from Racist Stereotypes and

Im fine with this measure.

 

As long as they apply it equally to all mediums (books movies etc).

 

 

In terms of negative racial stereotypes:

I was watchin 40 year old virgin the other day. Hell.. there is LOTS of (very funny and harmless) racial stereotyping in that between an african american and middle eastern store clerk. Hilarious. Guess you'll have to ban sales of any movies featuring things like that.

Oh and books..  I think youll have to ban probably like 50% of books that we now call 'classics' since MANY of them feature negative stereotypes for foreigners, especially non whites. 

 

In terms of bad language...

Ok.. err.. youll probably have to ban every movie ever in existence with a 12 or greater rating. Hell even some PG movies feature bad language. Guess we should only allow U rated movies from now on. 

Again.. books.. bad language... err ok..  same story.. at least bookstores could have an easier time reccommending books as you'd have to reduce their stock by about 75%.

 
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