Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

January 16, 2009 -

Glass ceiling? 

Not in the British game industry, apparently...

A survey conducted by MCV UK and Develop magazine reports that women employed by the video game sector in the UK earn an average salary of £33,260 ($US48,539). That's about £2,000 higher than the average wage of their male counterparts.

From MCV:

Women working in the games industry also seem to be more optimistic about their career and job prospects for 2009. 72 per cent of female respondents said that they were confident about the year ahead, versus 66 per cent of men who said the same.

Although just ten per cent of the industry’s workforce is female, prominent women in the sector think the news shows that the market should be attracting more female talent.


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Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

So instead of a glass ceiling, it's a glass floor? How voyeuristic.

Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

*Looks up at the gass ceiling*

 

There appears to be a woman spelling the word 'Sexist' with her own faeces.

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Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

I think the glass ceiling is based on the preconceived nation that females are not able to  handle the business environment (logic,wit,swagger,intelligence,ect) and those that complain the most have bought into such notions heavily.

IMO like anything else society has roles that people fall into as how they are raised by societies generalizations.

In things like this you have the usVthem factor and other silly devisions, my point everything tends to be truth to a existent.

 


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Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

Wow women get paid more then men...

SO FREAKING WHAT???

I have never understood why difference in pay was considered an issue of sexism...

If a company can get away with paying you less then they will. This has nothing to do with the execs disliking women or in this case men... its just business...

Yes everyone should get paid the same for the same work but every company needs to cut corners somewhere and since the they aren't gonna pay their execs less well someone has to get less...

That said, congratulations to men that have kept quite so much that the companies can now get away with paying them less...

Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

'Although just ten per cent of the industry’s workforce is female, prominent women in the sector think the news shows that the market should be attracting more female talent.'

As pleased as I am that the balance is being restored, had the results been the other way round, and a man had responded with this comment, there would have been an outcry.

Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

beemoh, that article is pretty cool. And it's totally right about the departmental distribution trend that they mention...well, in the majority anyway.

I don't know how many women are in the UK games industry, but I don't think that using 50 women would be a good representative sample size. Probably isn't as accurate as it could be...but hey, at least it's figures to let us know...

Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

*sigh* don't wanna be sexist or anything but, I just can't see this ending well...

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Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

And how right you were! And only three comments in, too. Good call.

Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

From experience, having too many women working together is normally a bad thing, unless some of them are manish. (Hillary Clinton...) Just have to scatter them throughout the companies, not only in certain jobs...  At a bank, if you have all female tellers, it causes drama.  In an office, if you have mostly female staff, there is drama.  The problem with drama is that is last a long time.  With men, they just say fuck you to each other.  A week later they will start being willing to play ball again, while females try to undermine each other.

If that was NOT true, then women would get paid more in the office place, and women who do not play those stupid games are normally pretty well paid.

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Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

Makes sense since female compete with other females differently than how men do its ingrained in most modern societies , their competition  tends to slow the momentum of the office. However this is equitable to men who use the office for romance and more general sexual harassment issues revolving around men targeting wemon.


Its not a question of sexism its a question of truth and logic, never be afraid to think and tear down any train of thought or ieda no matter how silly or crass, the truth is harsher than you can imagine.

 


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Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

Considering that at my company most men read news sites more than they work I would say that there is a loss of productivity no matter who you hire...

also thanks very much for adding actual sexism to the discussion...

Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

*shrug* I've found smiliar problems in all male groups.  

All male groups spend enormous amounts of time undermining eachother with everyone trying to become the alpha of the group.   Unless you have a female or two in the group to break the effect, pissing contests and dominance battles (unless someone 'wins' and is accepted as the winner) eat up a lot of productivity.

Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

In my experience adding a couple of women makes things worse, because then the men step things up trying to impress them, and it's a rare woman indeed that doesnt end up subtly encouraging this behaviour.

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Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

Which is why you include unattractive females, not attractive ones, again Hillary Clinton.  Then the guys wont care about impressing them as much, and still break it up.

Granted, if you do a good job picking the females working for you, then you can avoid a good amount of drama.  Back to the tellers...  You have 3 female tellers that have been there for 5-15 years, and all is fine.  You add 3 more female tellers without any form of testing for type of personality, drama tends to break out.  I definitely can't say all females are like that, just look at Hillary Clinton.  She really isn't that manish, but I enjoy saying that she is because well...  it is her.  There are tons of females that wont cause drama, but I can not say that is the majority.

My mom is a nurse, and her and her co-workers have drama going on all of the time at the 3 jobs she has had as a nurse over the past 20 years. (It is just how nurses are, and they are territorial on their parts of the hospital as well.) 

Guys definitely get into pissing contests, but that can be good in the right areas of work, while drama isn't as much.  Guys will get into contests of who will do a better job, and the loser has to shave their head bald and wear a moo moo to work.  It is all in good fun most of the time and can be pretty funny.  Sometimes you can get customers in on the action too, which they tend to enjoy.  If you work the tendencies of males the right way, you can take advantage of it, but there is no real advantage to drama.

If there is an attractive female, guys can definitely cause some issues though.  I have to admit...  It is less of a problem if all of the guys are married, but could still turn a pissing contest into something more.  Some guys are naturally violent can get physical fast.  All in all, females have one huge problem that can disrupt the entire work environment for weeks, while males have many problems that will pop up and disappear pretty fast that can disrupt things for a few days.

Granted, there are guys that cause drama just like the gals do, but they are less common.  If everyone has their own office, then things are typically better, cubical not always.

All in all, if I was hiring for a standard business position and had two equal people to hire between male and female in their mid 20s, I would take the male.  That isn't only because of drama though, it is also because of maternity leave.  Now if the female was slightly better, I would take her unless she was smoking hot.

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Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

Sadly your comments about drama match my experience as well.

-Gray17

Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

That much sexism hurts my eyes...

Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

Ahhhhhhhhhhh...just what I needed to make my morning complete, a big steaming mug of sweepingly generalized sexist horseshit. Thanks, dude!

Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

He's right. 3 years of bloody office politics, and it was always the women spreading the gossip and rumour and being nice to peoples faces whilst trying to lose them their job when theya aren't around..

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Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

In all fairness, he did say he was speaking from experience.  Also, I work with a ton of girls at the nightclub I bartend at, and I'd have to say I agree with a lot of what he said, much as I hate to say it.

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Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

I don't remember him saying men were perfect.

/b

Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

 Don't forget this follow-up article, which explains a lot more:

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/32973/MCV-Salary-Survey-How-we-worked-it-out

Turns out women are generally concentrated in the kind of jobs that pay higher anyway- a more equal workforce would probably throw up the same problems all the other industries have.

/b

Re: Report: Women Earn More Than Men in UK Game Biz

Isn't that part of what skews the payrole comparisons in the first place?

Depending on the survey, often include the top paying jobs wich are almost completely male dominated which skews the average even if a male and female in the same position are making the same amount.

 
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