U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

January 16, 2009 -

Yesterday GamePolitics broke the news that the British Board of Film Classification had issued an 18 rating to Madworld, Sega's upcoming Wii gore-fest.

In doing so, the BBFC ignored a demand from Mediawatch-UK that Madworld be banned in the British market.

Spong is now reporting that John Beyer, head of the media watchdog group, has expressed disappointment over the BBFC's decision to approve Madworld for sale:

I'm disappointed but not surprised. I think my view is pretty well known. It's what I expected.


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Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

If they were to ever go past what the rating boards deem acceptable the game wouldn't be on sale, so what would the point of that be?

MadWorld was never conceived to be this extreme game that you imagined, they've just spun the PR to make it sound so. I struggle to take your comments seriously when you believe that they've made the game sound like Sesame Street, when they've said "it's so extreme it's very likely to get cut by the ratings boards". In fact how do we know that they haven't actually made the game more extreme when they found out how far they could go with the game. They've made it sound extreme whilst also saying that they will do whatever it takes to get the game out to the consumers. Yet in fact they've generated a lot of spin to a game that otherwise would've failed to generate much publicity. They learned from their mistakes with Condemned 2.

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

"MadWorld was never conceived to be this extreme game that you imagined, they've just spun the PR to make it sound so."

Yet again: No they have not.  They have spun the exact opposite in fact.  Nothing that the censors in the ESRB or the BBFC would allow could possibly be "extreme" as you put it.  By announcing that they were going to shoot for the standards of these groups they gave up before they started.  There may not have been any actual "cuts".  But by pandering to the whims of these groups it is just as bad as a cut in the long run.

Oh, maybe next Sega's "genius" PR department will announce that the Amish might almost potentially find Madworld a little bit morally offensive.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

To be quite frank I wish the game would have been banned, in all markets.  I much prefer a straight out ban than to having a crippled "ESRB and BBFC approved!" censored version skulking about.  Its time to put down Old Yeller folks.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

The hasn't even been censored. Who said anything about cuts to the game? In fact you're just as bad as Mediawatch calling for something to be banned when having no knowledge of the product's content.


Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

Who cares if anything has been cut or not?  Sega seemed pretty ready to do so at the ESRB/BBFC's command.  And playing lapdog to the censors is something I cannot abide by, even if ultimately nothing is removed.

Let me guess, you are one of those people who are trying to get me to believe that Sega's PR department is trying to make people not want to play their game right?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

Sega's PR department has worked really well for this game. They act like a responsible company by going to the ERSB, whilst at the same time saying that their game is so extreme that it is likely that it will need cutting to get a rating.

Anyway you seem to be the only one bothered if it is cut or not (and there has been no talk of any cuts needing to be made), because you've said you wanted to play the "uncensored" version, yet this is what you have got and are now moaning about something else. At the end of the day don't play the game, you're the only one missing out (because you believe it to be something that it is not).

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

"Sega's PR department has worked really well for this game. They act like a responsible company by going to the ERSB, whilst at the same time saying that their game is so extreme that it is likely that it will need cutting to get a rating."

And in the process make people think they are cowards pandering to the censors and leading to people like myself boycotting their game.  Yet again, no wonder they no longer have their own system.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

Again how do you know that they cowered to the censors? Nothing has been cut, there has been no talk of changes to the content. First of all I don't know what this has to do with the Dreamcast, but how can anyone defend ideas that you've made up in your head about what has happened to this game?

You are moaning about events that have not happened.

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

Q:  "Again how do you know that they cowered to the censors?"

A: http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/08/25/report-sega-cooperating-bbfc-avoi...

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Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

But where does it say that content has been changed, altered or censored? Talking to a ratings board is hardly self-censorship.


Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

"but we’re working with them now to make sure that we don’t go over the top."

Sounds like Sega was open to be influnced to me now doesn't it?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

Hardly, they have never spoken about how the game would've been if it weren't for the rating boards, they haven't even led me to believe that the final game is something other than their original vision. Sega's PR has made it sound like the game is so extreme that it would have definitely got an AO or been rejected by the BBFC. I very much doubt that this will be one of the most extreme games on the market.

Sega were worried about Condemned 2 yet didn't consulate any ratings boards (they didn't make press releases about the content in the game). It was a sales flop. This time with MadWorld Sega have released many press statements about the content within the game (I wouldn't be surprised if they tipped Mediawatch off about the game themselves) and about how "extreme" it is. This is simply to generate sales. Whilst you have decided not to buy the game (because of presumed yet unevidenced cuts) you have fallen for the PR that makes this game appear to be incredibly extreme. I would say that the PR worked.

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

Sega's PR has made it sound like they are cowards that are afraid to go beyond what the ESRB or BBFC deem acceptable.  They have made it seem as "extreme" as Sesame Street through thier own admission of cowardice in the face of these boards.

Extreme?  Hardly.

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Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

Good.

Mr Beyer, I am a responsible adult with no criminal history, no violent tendencies and nobody under the age of 18 in the house. When I want to relax, sometimes I want to play a videogame. Sometimes, this will be of a violent nature. Madworld looks like a great game, a true piece of art, and I wish to play it. I should not be prevented from doing that just because your delicate puritanical tendencies are offended. Nobody under the age of 18 will ever play my copy, so my rights should not be infringed because you don't like it. Nobody is forcing you, any parent or any other adult who shares your views to ever see a copy of this game running, let alone play it. Practice self-censorship and parenting, don't try to stop me from following a harmless activity just because *you* don't like it.

Seriously, I can't wait for this guy and his organisation to go the way of his ex-crony Mary Whitehouse. I grew up as a horror fan under the regime they helped create with "video nasties" scares and the rest. I've seen all of those movies uncut now, and most of them are available on DVD. Banning them achieved nothing except direct media attention onto the wrong target. Society has a lot of problems, and this guy helps them grow by focussing attention on things that scare him in the media, rather than the real problems of poverty, abuse, eduction and employment. Take care of those issues, and the rest will sort itself out.

I've got my copy pre-ordered. It'll probably take pride of place next to my copies of Manhunt 2 and DVDs like Cannibal Holocaust, The Devils and I Spit On Your Grave, along with all the other media this idiot and his mentor have helped to (ineffectively) get outlawed over the years for no real reason.

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

I grew up as a horror fan under the regime they helped create with "video nasties" scares and the rest.

And remember that with video nasties then studios who made the films would send them to Mary Whitehouse to alert her to the violence contained and then she would go and make public announcements on why it should be banned. Great PR. I wouldn't be surprised if Sega told Mediawatch about their game so that they would Mediawatch to campaign against. Remember controversy sells and is great publicity. Quite frankly many people would miss organisations like Mediawatch because they make these games all the more appealing because you feel good for playing something someone doesn't want you to play, it's like the apple in the Garden of Eden.

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

Guess what?

Australia is getting Madworld too.

Even for the Censorship that is just one person in the South Australian Government could not stop the OFLC for allowing the MA15+ rating for Madworld.

 

Hurry for us Aussie Adult Nintendo Gamers.

 

TBoneTony

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

and I wanted a monkey to escape from a zoo and throw its feces on you...

we can't all get what we want mr John Beyer...

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

I am very happy to see that you are dissapointed Mr. Censorship! Shielding people from the real world only makes them useless when they have to fight to survive.

I hardly think that you could call MadWorld a true reflection of the real world.

Anyway this is a group seeking publicity from calling for a ban on a random game that has come to their attention. I don't recall similar calls from them regarding Manhunt 2, they were oblivisously alerted to this game from someone (perhaps Sega themselves in hoping to generate publicity) as they clearly have no knowledge of the computer game industry as they've had ample opportunity to complain about other games but haven't.

Love some of the comments here about how people want to censor the group because it calls for censorship!

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

>Love some of the comments here about how people want to censor the group because it calls for censorship!

 Nobody's asking for the government to intervene and ban Mediawatch-UK. We are only suggesting that Mediawatch-UK think before they speak- we are all willing to accept their disapproval of Madworld, just not their way of dealing with it. Therefore: nobody is trying to censor them.

Mediawatch-UK are asking the government to intervene (albeit through a third party of the govrnment's choosing) and ban Madworld. Big difference.

/b

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

I'm disappointed that they couldn't squash freedom and impose their own morals and judgement upon other people. What the hell is the world coming to when you can't make people see things your way? I suggest a recount, the votes for the rating were rigged i tell you, rigged!

/sarcasm

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Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

Awww your dissappointed Mr. Beyer? So sad for you. Like I really care about what any of that type of group thinks besides their idiocy factor.

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Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

I am very happy to see that you are dissapointed Mr. Censorship! Shielding people from the real world only makes them useless when they have to fight to survive.

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Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

I'm dissapointed, I wanted watchdog groups banned.

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

For a group that have been irrelevant since the 70's he should just be thankful anyone even bothered to listen to what they thought in the first place. It surprises be that the group has even survived without Mary Whitehouse.

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

Well its banned from people under 18. So he should be happy kids can't buy it.

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

Just continues to prove the trope that there's no such thing as bad publicity.

Will Sega send these moral morons a fruitbasket as thanks?

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Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

They should seriously do that. I'd love to see the expression on their face when they got the "Thanks for the publicity" card.

 

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

This always amused me in this region.  If they succeed in getting a game refused classification, they just officially drummed up HUGE hype for a game that may have otherwise passed under the radar.  Meanwhile, while this game is fighting for it's rights for release, gamers wanting it take a short boat ride and return home with an illicit and taboo title.  It's a huge drain of everyone's time and money and doesn't really DO anything.  Like banning violent games in Germany.

Meanwhile, while these companies are defendng themselves from idiots pretending to protect everyone, I get to develop my senior citizen rap simulator is relative quiet.  One things for certain though, if I don't get a dev kit from Sony soon, I'm locking myself in a 7-11 for 100 days.

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Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

I see what you did there... at the end.

And I lol'd.

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

these people relaly need to grow up....

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

I'm dissapointed that in this day and age there are still groups that try to impose their own morals, opinions and values onto everyone else.

Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

I'm dissapointed that you're dissapointed that in this day and age there are still groups that try to impose their own morals, opinions and values onto everyone else.

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Re: U.K. Watchdog Disappointed, Wanted Madworld Banned

I'll bet you anything that Sega thanked their gods, and their ancestors for MediaWatch UK's coverage on the title. FREE MARKETING!!! W00T!

 
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