BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

January 23, 2009 -

A study published today in the Journal of Youth and Adolescence maintains that video games - including the non-violent kind - are linked to a variety of negative findings among college students.

According to the Deseret News, the study, conducted by a team of faculty and students at Utah's Brigham Young University, concludes that:

  • the more the students play video games, the worse their relationships are with friends and parents (although this effect is modest)
  • those who play video games daily smoke pot twice as much as other players and three times more than those who never play
  • young women who play often have lower self-esteem

BYU prof Laura Walker, the lead author of the study, told the newspaper:

Everything we found associated with video games came out negative... [But] I don't want parents to go out and yank all video games. It's like TV. We have to choose what's good and bad and practice moderation.

Student Alex Jensen, who participated in the research project, added:

I assumed violent video games would be related to lower relationship quality with friends and family. I didn't expect regular video games — nonviolent video game use — would be correlated to lower relationship quality...

An abstract posted on the website of the Journal of Youth and Adolescence offers some information on the methodology of the BYU study:

Participants included 813 undergraduate students (500 young women, 313 young men, M age = 20...) who were mainly European American (79%), unmarried (100%) and living outside their parents’ home (90%).

GP: It is quite interesting that this study would appear in conservative Utah at a time when a renewed effort to legislate video games is underway there.


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I'm glad Thompson's involved, that means it will fail

Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

Yeah, in an epic way.

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This study is so scientifically unsound it makes me want to bang my head against my Chemistry Lab table.

Here is my evisceration:

1. There is a clear conflict of interest: I found this after 1 second of googling the name of the university:

"Brigham Young University (BYU), located in Provo, Utah, United States, is a private,coeducational research university owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints(LDS or Mormon Church)."

The religious in Utah are the ones pushing for Legislation, and the Mormon Church has been known to oppose anything that isn't directly related to their religion. Also, the newspaper reporting it, which portrays games in a highly negative light?

"The Deseret News is owned by Deseret News Publishing Company, a subsidiary of Deseret Management Corporation, which is a for-profit business holdings company owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (colloquially known as the Mormon or LDS Church)."

Notice also the high degree of pot-smoking in "Utah's largest Religious College", which brings me to my next point:

2. They do not check for variables: Have you noticed they don't make a connection between pot-smoking and worsening relationships? Cannabis is well-known as making people lethargic and apathetic. They also don't make a connection between the traditional Mormon view of Women as disposable baby-making factories and a "lower self-esteem".  You'd think they would have eliminated these blaring variables. That is, if they were COMPETENT SCIENTISTS. 

3. Atrocious sampling: Using 500 women and 313 men seems to be a clear-cut case of stacking samples to comply with observer bias. They most certainly used more women to accentuate the "self-esteem" thing. If they didn't use more women, the results wouldn't be very politically expedient.

 

4. NO CONTROL: THIS SHOULD HAVE NO EXPLANATION NECCESARY WHATSOEVER.

 

5. THE STUDY IS NOT PEER REVIEWED: Any COMPETENT AND HONEST scientist would have his work peer-reviewed. To do otherwise is a crime against academic honesty and science in general.

 

I hate bad science. I hate bad science with ulterior motives more. And I hate religiously influenced bad science masquerading as good science to support an ulterior motive more than anything except Sarah Palin.

 

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The religious in Utah are the ones pushing for Legislation, and the Mormon Church has been known to oppose anything that isn't directly related to their religion.

No they don't. They have no interest in game legislation. So this is not a push by the Moromon Church to outlaw violent games.

Notice also the high degree of pot-smoking in "Utah's largest Religious College", 

Um... The sample came from college age adults from around  the country. Not just BYU.

They also don't make a connection between the traditional Mormon view of Women as disposable baby-making factories and a "lower self-esteem".

I work Directly with Mormon Youth and that is far from how we treat women and teach them. It is far from how we teach men to treat women. To let you know, we encourage women to seek education and that they are equal partners in a marraige.

Using 500 women and 313 men seems to be a clear-cut case of stacking samples to comply with observer bias. They most certainly used more women to accentuate the "self-esteem" thing. If they didn't use more women, the results wouldn't be very politically expedient.

Do you think it could also be that men are less likely to participate in surveys and studies? Nah, it couldn't be that.

Any COMPETENT AND HONEST scientist would have his work peer-reviewed. To do otherwise is a crime against academic honesty and science in general.

Part of the peer review process is to publish your findings in a scientific journal so that it can be exposed to more people in similar fields for peer review.

I hate bad science. I hate bad science with ulterior motives more. And I hate religiously influenced bad science masquerading as good science to support an ulterior motive more than anything except Sarah Palin.

I hate people who can't read and who claim to know more about groups and people than they really do.

E. Zachary Knight
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Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

The study is flawed, there is no denial of this, EZK. There are no controls, the sample group is skewed, and they don't properly isolate variables. 

The mormon church may or may not be interested in game legislation, and may indeed be an innocent party, but pointing out the 'coincidence' that games are slandered in a unscientific study at a Mormon-owned school, then slandered in a newspaper article at a Mormon-owned newspaper is hardly unreasonable. 

I don't like religion; Religion tore my family apart and currently has an interest in oppressing homosexuals and melding church and state (and don't act like putting gay marriage up to a vote is not oppression). I see the good in having comfort, but your religion should not be a reason to defend an unscientific study.

 

"I hate people who can't read and who claim to know more about groups and people than they really do."

I hate when people will defend stuff just because it's related to their 'faith' and talking about it in anything other than a completely deferential manner makes them butthurt. There is no reasonable expectation that religion is a completely taboo topic and can never be criticized. 

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I never once defended the study. I merely pointed out the flaws in your own bashing of the study. I know the study is flawed. I do not deny that, but I also admit that your criticisms of the study are flawed.

AS for the religous aspects, I was defending my faith only because you tried to tie the Mormon church to the study directly.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

Personally, Zack, I never really understood why so many people have a problem with Mormonism.  Yes, I know about the whole polygamy thing, but as you and others have pointed out, that tends be regarded as more of a fringe sect thing and none of the Mormons I have ever met practiced it.  And I've yet to have any Mormons come to my door offering copies of the Bible or trying to sell me on their religion either.

In point of fact, many Mormons I've met, including you, have been pretty cool people.  Here's just a short list off the top of my head of quite a few famous Mormons whose name isn't Osmond and whom I hold in some high regard:

Glen Larson (Creator of shows like Knight Rider, Buck Rogers in the 25th Century and the original Battlestar Galactica)

American McGee (Developer of Doom, Quake and Alice)

Orson Scott Card (Award-winning Science Fiction writer)

Don Bluth (maker of The Secret of NIMH and Dragon's Lair)

Trey Parker (Co-creator of South Park)

Belladonna (porn star)

Hey, let me know if there are more!

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Most Mormons who have come to me to try and proselytize me are usually pretty cool once i tell them I'm not interested. They'll just say "oh that's cool man, have a nice day" and be on there way.

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Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

Saying I didn't read it was the only thing that I found unfair.

 

"AS for the religous aspects, I was defending my faith only because you tried to tie the Mormon church to the study directly."

I admit that was unfair, and for that I apologize.

 

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"Part of the peer review process is to publish your findings in a scientific journal so that it can be exposed to more people in similar fields for peer review."

1. This study is fairly useless if it's not peer reviewed.

2. Without a control group, the scientific soundness of this study is questionable, at best.

3. By reviewing only single-player gamers, this study is heavily biased.

That's 3 strikes when it only takes one my friend. This study is worthless.

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Okay... for the last time

The Jouirnal of Youth and Adolescence is a peer reviewed journal.

This article WAS peer reviewed

http://www.acquirecontent.com/titles/journal-of-youth-and-adolescence

Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

So it was peer reviewed. Would you look at that?

I just took a good long read over the study this time. The wording in it is quite bad, and biased towards the "gaming causes-" side of thought. THIS IS AN OBSERVATIONAL STUDY; YOU CANNOT ESTABLISH A CAUSE-EFFECT RELATIONSHIP WITH AN OBSERVATIONAL STUDY. (I know you understand that, I'm capping it for those who didn't take statistics or psychology)

I was quick to jump on that boat, glad you righted my wrong, but none-the-less, the study itself is quite flawed, and the interpretation it will get by the media and the anti-gaming boneheads will be awful. The only thing that pisses me off more than a poorly done study is the misinterpretation that ALWAYS gets done by the media.

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Eh, take it easy EZK.  Methinks too many people are equating the crazy-fringe sect of Mormonism, the FLDS specifically, with the mainstream religion.  Happens all the time.  Easier to demonize an entire group of people or their ideology if you assume they are all like the insane branch.

 

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Take it easy!?! That was Taking it easy. You don't want to see the hard way.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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I seriously find the idea of a correlation between gaming and pot-smoking far fetched. I'm a more avid gamer than my brother; he smokes pot, and I've never smoked anything.

I'd say the real correlation here is that people who have low self esteem and feel stress more intensely are more likely to:

-Play video games constantly to take their minds off their problems

-Experiment with drugs to relieve their stress

-Have problems with their family relationships

If you go crazy then I will still call you Superman.

Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

He doesn't argue that this is a causal relationship (yet), which is a good thing... not that it'll be treated like that in the end, of course.

I think another factor that needs to be considered is that this research came out of BYU... I wonder how much of his research is affected by the standards of a strict religious school.

At any rate, another piece of research to wish they'd give us more info on the methodology... funny how that never matters when the study comes out against games, but it's screamed about when they come out in favor of them....

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Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

another example of some idiots who think correlation = cause and effect


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Smoke Pot? yeah rite..Marijuana is Illegal here..that means these researchers must be REALLY stupid..smoking Marlboro..yes i do that..then again, my life's good! and i am still in college..never smoke POT at ALL!, never did any crimes, have lots of friends, good relationship with family..and goes out alot..seriously..

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Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

Utah is dead to me. Well...it was dead since the Proposal 8 thing, but now, it's dead, and I want it blown out of the entire world. Make it a massive lake or something.

Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

It's Proposition 8, and that was California, not Utah.


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Proposition, sorry, whatever. But yeah. The Mormon church generated massive amounts of money to pour into the proposition 8, who happen to be headquartered, where? In Utah.

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The church itself did not supply any finacial aid. The members of the church provided financial aid though.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

But I'm -sure- the Church gave a lot of praise for it, even if they didn't donate (actually, can a church donate money? I'm not sure how they operate). Either way, it really angers me, and that's the point I'm trying to make.

Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

Shouldn't you get mad at the people in California for actually voting yes on Prop 8 instead of the people that donated a ton of money to see it passed?  I mean, it's not like the no on Prop 8 people didn't get massive funding outside of California, either.

Not only that, but I think that only around 2% of the population in California is LDS and, even then, there were a lot of Later-Day Saints that voted no on Prop 8.

Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

Yes, but a large amount of money was given over to the "Yes" group by out-of-state groups, including the Mormon church. (Or, at least, by a lot of Mormons). 

 

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Why such a large percentage of females? I'm all for having women represented in gaming (being one myself) but when you pull 500 women and 313 men, that's not an accurate representation of the gaming demographic.

61.5% of college students who game are women? Nope.

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There are very simple reasons as to why there arem ore women than men. Go into ANY psychology classroom and do a headcount of women vs men. You'll be surprised (even though you probably shouldn't) that men are REALLY outnumbered when it comes to psychology. I can't tell you how many times i've been "the token male".

This is important because they gathered the participants of the study from psychology classrooms at their university. They offered extra credit for those that participated, which is a common practice among universities (mine requires it outright, but that's neither here nor there).  Furthermore women, for whatever reason, are usually more likely in psychology classrooms to sign up for said extra credit opportunities than men are, so that's a double whammy.

If you give more opportunity for women to participate in a study than men, AND women are more likely to participate, then you are going to get "skewed" population.

 

Finally, and i can not stress this enough, the results are NOT skewed by the numbers due to the statistical tool he used to calculate the differences. They take into consideration the intergroup variance and account for the discrepency in sample sizes to make an accurate representation of the facts. (small correction. The fact that there are unequal populations can be problematic if the analysis administered does not take in weighted means. It's pretty much taken for granted that you are never going to have a perfectly equal sample size unless you are extraordinarily anal about your research methods. However, there are statistical methods to compensate for that, which if i remember correctly the author of the article used)

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Yeah, I snickered at that part and thought "I wish it was like that."  Oh there were plenty of gaming girls in college, but us men outnumbered them at least 2 to 1 if not by a larger percentage.

Maybe they considered you a gamer if you played a few rounds of Wii bowling?

 

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Wow! This is a big load.

I've been gaming since the Atari! I've never smoked pot, commited any violent crimes, and have a great relationship with my folks, infact, a better relationship now that I'm older!

I am amazed that they used a college demographic considering they have NO control group so they wouldn't have an accurate cross section of how these people function normally...come to think of it, people don't function normally in college, do they? College level students are the most unpredictable group of people they could have picked as they are prone to long hours of various activities depending on their motivation level!

In school I was the person that was picked on, so, I suffered from self esteem and trust isses and did not develop friends quickly and chose to stay behind the PC and/or console to forget about the daily grind.

I haven't changed much, still haven't smoked pot, graduated college, still talk to my parents, hold down a job that requires a state/federal background check, have great relationships with people I trust and still don't get out much. So, I guess that makes my life terrible.

I know plenty of girl gamers that don't have self esteem issues, but are very willing to stand up for what they believe.

Come to think of it, I'm kind of like Vork from The Guild.

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EDIT: Alright, what the hell?  I made a post but for some reason the only text that showed up what my little tag line on the bottom.  Does GP's site not like Firefox?  Because I just had to switch from IE to Firefox here at work and have run into all sorts of quirkly problems since then.  Meh, for now I'm gonna blame Firefox, though I've always disliked the browser so I'm kind of biased.

Anyway I'll repost what I put before, though with less words and less snark.

-Of course people's relationships degrade the longer they spend playing video games, it's a simple issue of time.  If I spent the majority of my waking time on a particular task, like say lumberjacking, we'd get the same results!

-Video gamers don't become pot smokers, pot smokers just play video games like everyone else, it's a medium that's surpassing movies in terms of preferred entertainment.  And by the Gods consider the group you're studying.  College students have been notorious for smoking pot for decades, it's neither new nor surprising. 

-People with low self-esteem look for ways to escape or for some hobby to enjoy because, more often than not, their life sucks.  Hence the reason they have low self-esteem.  As this little nugget of "fact" singles-out women, I'm gonna up the ante and say maybe if society didn't give women such contradicting, confusin messages about how they "should be" we'd have a lot more females with a better outlook on life.  I'm a guy and thankful that I don't have to deal with the mounds of crap advertisement and social norms heaps on women. 

"You're not wearing the right clothes!" "Your boobies aren't big enough!" "You're too fat!" "You're too thin!" "If you give it up to easily, men will think you're a whore and not respect you." "If you don't give it up easily, men will think you're a prude and not want to date you." "Your clothes still suck." "Dress like a slut and men will think you are one." "Don't dress like a slut and men won't notice you." "Marry for money and you're a bitch." "Don't marry for money and you're an idiot." "Again, your clothing, they suck."

And so on and so on...no wonder so many women are insane.  I'd lose my mind too if I had to deal with that shit.  Sorry, got off topic there. :)

This will still be used as ammunition by anti-gaming fools.

 

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Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

It does bring two questions to my mind...

How large a percent of the people tested were regular game players, if there were 2-3 times as many regular gamers as non-regular gamers, then I wonder how they got the '2-3 times as likely to smoke pot' result?

Secondly, are they really surprised that gamers have trouble with self esteem with the kind of stereotypes and prejudice that people throw out about them, tell someone you are a gamer and people automatically get images of a fat kid in his parents basement, and that particular stereotype has been thrown around by Thompson and others for years, did this research consider that it's entirely possible that the low self esteem doesn't come from the games themselves, but by the vicious attacks and prejudices of those who would censor them that have wormed their way into public perception?

 

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Wow...that's impressive work. /sarcasm

They managed to create a bit of research on a sample demographic of one group of gamers - mainly European American, unmarried people who've moved out of their parents homes. Ever thought about people who are married? divorced? engaged? still living with parents? from other backgrounds? One of the first things I learnt in psychology class was to pick a sample that REPRESENTS THE ACTUAL POPULATION. Being professionals who are paid by large institutions, you'd think they'd know about this sort of thing. You just know the media are going to latch onto this and generalise it to the entire gamer population...

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That's an impact bias if I eve saw one. The issues I'm seeing with this study, at a glance, is that they didn't look at the big picture when it came to who they were testing. For instance, college kids around age 20 living away from their parents are a pretty small demographic. These are people who have been out on their own for a year or two at most and on top of that, they're college kids. So I can fully understand them playing videogames and doing drugs to relieve stress. The big thing that bothers me is that your average gamer is in their 30's and not in college. That changes just about everything for their poorly guided little experiment.

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 MUST READ...

I have discovered the end all of end all; the correlation of correlations.

www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/sharks/statistics/statsw.htm

Notice that the number of shark attacks across the world have increased over the last couple of years ... you know what else have increased GAME SALES ... thats right gaming has increased over the last couple of years too.

Therefore Sharks are behind Video Games, they lure us in with video games, making us weak and then BAM they attack us.  But heres the thing they didn't see coming due to video games their attacks are useless and more often then not we survive the attack (hence the number of fatal attacks are lower than the non fatal ones).

That's right with two seconds I found a correlation between Shark Attacks and Video Games, you know what it means it means either a) my correlation discovered a secret plot between Sharks and the Video Game Industry or b) I am a complete idiot and correlations are completly pointless because they don't show you a damn thing.

Im going with b because personally I know the guy who discovered this correlation and frankly he is an idiot.

 

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In fairness to the study, I doubt the timing had anything to do with any legistlation going on in Utah.  Academic journals don't typically try to time things like that.  That's probably a little too paranoid.

I would be curious if their correlations controlled for other "third" variables.  For instance, did their study control for gender (lets face it, males both play more video games and engage in more naughty behavior than females).  If they didn't control for gender, all this study could really be talking about is ways in which males and females differ. 

I'll have to get my hands on the study and see...

 

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"In fairness to the study, I doubt the timing had anything to do with any legistlation going on in Utah.  Academic journals don't typically try to time things like that."

Read up on the product defense "industry".

Harvard (yes, THAT Harvard) Center for Risk Analystis (HCRA) was basically employed by companies like big tobacco, chemical companies for years to create bogus studies to defend their toxic products against law suits and government regulation. They have since cleaned up their act, however.

The product defense companies regularly hire academics to do their dirty work, although most of their "scientists" are career frauds rather than academics.

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 I don't nor ever have touched pot.  My relationship is great and I play video games from the second I get home from work till about 11 everynight.  Good ole FFXI again after a 2 years away :).!!!   Lets do quick math.

 

Gameplayer(me) smokes 3x the non-gamer.  So 3 x 0 = 0.. Non-gamers don't smoke.

Gameplayer(me) smokes 2x the regular-gamer. so 2 x 0 = 0.. So regular gamers don't smoke.

Now I'm sure one of you math nuts will show where i'm wrong in my math but in my equation I prove that the world doesn't smoke pot using the PROVEN study of this great man (or group)..

Oh and I work 2 very good jobs. (Database admin, and for fun Gamestop Employee) so I can afford my very very addicting gaming nature.  

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'those who play video games daily smoke pot twice as much as other players and three times more than those who never play'

I'm certainly calling Bullshit on that one. I can almost understand concerns about relationships with family etc if the games are played obsessively, but then, that's a problem with an addictive personality, not the games themselves, but smoking pot is a problem across the board, and is more a symptom of peer-pressure/social environment than anything else.

That, to me, just sounds like Eagle-Forum pressured stereotyping.

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well now. I wonder how much they were paid.

 

Because there's no way that's accurate.

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"those who play video games daily smoke pot twice as much as other players and three times more than those who never play"

Is that so? Funny, I play games daily and I've never even considered smoking anything. Perhaps it's more along the lines of, those who smoke pot and play video games daily, have thier hands free to smoke more pot?

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I agree. I played video games almost every day throughout my college years and I never even had the urge to smoke anything. The timing of this study and where it came from also puts the credibility of it in question.

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The big question would be, how was the sample choosen?
It is quite possible that the method they used to collect people pulled in a cluster who skewed the results.  It is also possible that mindless games are one of the news to do when high thus if one does smoke one could gravitate twards games while doing so... but playing games has no connection to making one smoke.  One way connection.

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That's what I was thinking.  It's not that gamers become pot smokers, pot smokers just like to play video games like the majority of the generation.

I mean when you're stoned you want to be entertained (with the exception of the rare breed of stoners who actually become more active or creative high) and just hang out in your dorm room.  If it's not video games it's movies or TV or music.  Pot makes you lazy (for most, anyway) but enhances visual and audio stimuli.  That boss at the end of the game while not on drugs?  Freakin' cool.  The same boss while high on weed?  OMG THIS IS THE MOST AWESOME THING EVER!!! (sorry for the caps).  Pot just enhances the experience of the game.

Or, *ahem*, so I've heard.

That smell?  Oh, it's sage.

 

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Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

I was a gamer LONG before I became a cannabis enthusaist. One of the reasons I continue to enjoy games is because I play them while high. Otherwise I lose nearly all immersion and patience.

Also smoking, vaporizing, and eating cannabis all have different effects and side effects. Smoking (combustion) tends to release compounds that lead to longer high but with more lethargy. Vaporizing releases compounds that give more of a shorter heady euphoria that will allow one to continue being active. Eating lets the body use every compound and removes the "ceiling" that lung absorption has and tends to last longest and give the biggest body high, leading to more lethargy.

Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

Wow, My parents didnt give a shit if i played video games as long as i had the money to pay for them and a continuing education,and the education thing is what im doing.

Another bit of B.S reasearch from a state that legalized underage child marriage. 

Magic Taco

Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

I see nothing drastically different than most other states:

http://www.utcourts.gov/howto/marriage/

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

Yeah, But i found that stuff sick, Considering last's years raid against the FLDS ranch in texas that made people question some things about polygamy marriage and so on, And i really hate to get off topic of the discussion considering i really do love this site.

Magic Taco

Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

Yes, but the issue there is the fact that it's child molestation and endangerment, not the fact that it's polygamy.

Also the FLDS is a fringe group.  Trying to equate them with mainstream Mormonism is like trying to equate the KKK with mainstream Baptist or al-Queda with mainstream Islam.  Extreme, fringe groups are not accurate representatives of the religion as a whole.

 

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Re: BYU Study: Video Games Are Bad For You In So Many Ways

Unfortunatly a classic problem of groups that have been stereotyped (like here, gamers) tend to be even worse about stereotyping then the general population (rather then better about it like one would think they would be).

 

 
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