NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

January 28, 2009 -

The New York legislature has a fondness for video game legislation, it would seem.

Last year New York became the first state since 2006 to pass a video game bill and have it signed into law by its Governor. The New York video game statute lacks teeth, however, and the video game industry has not opposed it.

As GamePolitics reported earlier this month, Assemblyman Keith L.T. Wright (D) introduced a bill aimed at shielding minors from games containing profanity and racist stereotypes.

In addition, Assemblyman Brian Kolb (R) has submitted A2837, which seeks to block minors from any game that "glamorizes... the commission of a violent crime, suicide, sodomy, rape, incest, bestiality, or sado-masochism..."

Kolb's bill also requires warning labels on such games; violators would be subject to both civil and criminal penalties. Fines of $1,000 are spelled out in the bill.

But Kolb isn't finished - not by a long shot. Retailers would be required to keep such games either in an area "inaccessible by the general public"  or "in a sealed and locked container."

Retailers would also be mandated to make copies of the offending games available for examination by parents.

A similar measure proposed by Kolb in 2007 failed to move out of committee.

GP: While Assemblyman Kolb no doubt has good intentions, his legislation clearly has constitutional issues. For example, deciding whether a game "glamorizes" any of the activities enumerated by Kolb would seem to be a highly subjective endeavor.


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Feh. I was 15 once. If GTA is the worst a kid can get his hands on at 15, he must live on Pluto or something.

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I just realized that this game would probably affect such games as "Persona 3" (maybe "Persona 4"?). The Persona series is currently an award winning, and it met with critical acclaim. And yet, since the method of changing to your alter self is shooting yourself in the head, it could be considered "glorifying suicide". And while the conservitive ESRB has rated it M for mature, in other countries, it is only similar to a PG-13 (actually 12).

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I don't mean to give any spoilers away, but wouldn't Kingdom Hearts fall under glorifying suicide for that one scene? And that game co stars Donald Duck and Goofy.

This law is a bad law, poorly written, and poorly rationalized. Who are we? The United States of America? Or Australia?

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I believe it was Persona 4 but the Evoker (the gun thingy) doesn't shoot anything. Near as I can tell, only extreme stress can change them into the alter-self and what better way then by pointing what looks like a gun at their own head.

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"[...]glamorizes... the commission of a violent crime, suicide, sodomy, rape, incest, bestiality, or sado-masochism..."

Mr.Kolb, be specific. The fact is I have not, in 20 years of gaming, seen a single game containing "sodomy, rape, incest, bestiality, or sado-masochism...". Of the seven concepts you are blaming video-games for, only 2 would really apply ; violent crime and suicides (Postal!). The rest applies to porn.

This begs the question. Mr.Kolb, can you telll the difference betweem a videogame and pornographic material? What games have you played? What games do you know are violent, and which aren't? Which games contain the elements you complain about?

The day a critic will play a videogame from start to end, without stopping midway (or early) at the first sign of violence screaming "JESUS IS RAPED! VIDEOGAMES ARE THE DEVIL!" is the day the earth will spin the other way around... /sigh

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Ya gotta remember, to get your personal, religious, and/or political beliefs turned into legislation to dictate that others must follow your beliefs, one has to lie, deceive, misinform, and play the shell game to the hilt. 

Don't like a book's content?  Tell people it's porn and that if you read it or you let a kid read it, you're exposing kids to porn.

Don't like a type of music?  Tell people it's porn and that if you listen to it or let a kid listen to it, you're exposing kids to porn.

Don't like something on TV or in the movies?  ...  You get the point.

Then, when someone points out that you are just trying to force your beliefs on others, claim they are fascists who are violating YOUR Rights to Freedom of Speech and that your beliefs trump everyone else's 'cuz you is "morally superior" and "a warrior for God" and "fighting a culture war" and so on.

Be sure to use all the inflammatory terminology you can, that way, you can get all the ignorant boobish sheep and blind followers to support you, even if THEY may end up giving up their own Rights to you as some point.

C'mon, haven't you learned that about how things work in this world yet?  :/

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Hey sauly or should I say Jack Thompson, you wanna know games are rated? BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WOULD BITCH AND WHINE IF THEY WEREN'T!!!!! The ESRB was founded after there was a public outcry from people like yourself over the content of games like Mortal Kombat and Night Trap. The 17+ on the M-rating is nothing more but a recommendation and a warning to these game's content. Also since the age on an R-rated movie is 17, it basically says that the game contains content that would be found in an R-rated film. Second of all the statue you pulled up applies to SEXUAL CONTENT ONLY!!!!! That statue does nothing to stop a kid from buying a copy of Rambo or The Matrix. In fact it doesn't even stop a kid from buying a copy of American Pie which is a sexually explicit R-rated film. It only applies to pornography and violence cannot be considered pornographic

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Hang on...

"Retailers would also be mandated to make copies of the offending games available for examination by parents."

So let me get this straight... the retailer would be forced to keep free copies of mature-themed games that adults could play... for free?

How do we get this one signed into law and what can we do to get it enacted throughout the US?

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Heh. I noticed that too. "I need a copy of..." (points to every game on shelf) "I've got um... kids, see? Yeah, that's the ticket. And they might buy this game, so you gotta let me play it. IT'S THE LAW!"

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I don't think the supporters of the bill are necessarily unaware that the ESRB exists. I think that they simply don't care about the ESRB or the regulations that stores enforce themselves. They probably want to take out the middleman of private institutions and directly control this from their Capitol.

GameSnooper

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"Retailers would be required to keep such games either in an area "inaccessible by the general public"  or "in a sealed and locked container.""

You mean like they already do?  Retailers like gamestop keep the games behind the counter, places like Best Buy use those clear plastic cases with the magnetic locks (which are easy to break into once you know how). other places around here use the locked glass cases

This is all common sense, as they are all used as anti-theft methods

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''that "glamorizes... the commission of a violent crime, suicide, sodomy, rape, incest, bestiality, or sado-masochism..." ''

what? so.. by its own definition, this isnt needed then. I havent seen any recent commercial game (Custers revenge withstanding) that has glamorised suicide, or sodomy or incest, or bestiality, or sado-masochism

 

Hey why not waste tax dollars on banning cereal packets from doing the same, i mean, they dont do it currently, so itd be a waste of money, but dont let that stop you. Lets ban childrens tv fro mdoing the same. Nothing wrong with trying to fix a problem that doesnt exist.

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For Jack Thompson, also known as "saulytarsus"


I have found a flaw in your argument, so kindly shut the fuck up.

Actually, I found many flaws. Too many to either count or name, but the commandment to shut the fuck up still stands.

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Re: NY Bill Might Keep "Nasty" Games in a Locked Container

Forgot to mention this one, but it's relevant to the discussion: in another blow against censorship, on Friday night, David Letterman and CBS air the late Bill Hicks' final performance on Letterman's show in 1993 that got censored.

www.austin360.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/tvblog/entries/2009/01/28/the_late_bill_hicks_coming_to_fridays_late_show.html

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An ironic thing about that particular broadcast was that part of the reason it was banned was because he made a joke about the Pro-Life movement, and there was an advert during the break for Pro-Life...

 

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Re:Stupid NY Bill Might Keep "Nasty" Games in a Locked Container

Yet another unconstitutional piece of garbage for the pile, as it violates both the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of speech and the Fourteenth Amendment's guarantee of equal protection under the law, and is unconstitutionally broad.

Now then, on to the latest jabroni troll, saulytarsus, Metropolitian Moron of Miami, Painus in your Anus, it doesn't matter what his name is:

-Rating systems are merely suggestions, nothing more, nothing less. Although, you can now argue that the MPAA's system has turned into a joke now that the movie studios have been releasing unrated versions of the films on DVD with more and more frequency.

-On that note, it is much, much easier for a 12 year old with "no parent in sight" to buy unrated movies such as Superbad, Forgetting Sarah Marshall, Step Brothers, Pineapple Express, the American Pie movies, National Lampoon's Van Wilder, etc., than it is for that same 12 year old to buy GTA IV, Fallout 3, Call of Duty 4, Call of Duty: World at War, Saints Row 2, etc. And not just because most of the stores either have most of the more recently released games(most Greatest Hits games and other older games are put on shelves next to those cases) behind a glass case or behind the counter(all due to potential theft/shoplifting issues), unless it's the Guitar Hero and Rock Band packages. The Federal Trade Commission gave the video game industry its best grades ever in the last report.

-Funny, you neglect to mention that it's not just M-rated games are behind those glass cases or behind the counter, but also E and E-10 rated games like Madden NFL, NASCAR, Kingdom Hearts: Re: Chain of Memories, Chrono Trigger DS, Pokemon Diamond and Pearl, etc.

-Come to think of it, sales to "12-year-olds with no parents in sight"(if it actually happens) only accounts for less than 1% of all video game sales! Do the math.

Now, onto the Constitution:

If you’re going to infringe on a Constitutional right like freedom of speech based on the claim that the speech in question is “dangerous”, then you better damn well show absolute proof of that. It’s NEVER been done. There is no proof that any harm will come of anyone playing a “violent” video game.

If there is a danger so clear and so threatening to the American people that causes these self-righteous politicians to step on the First Amendment, wouldn’t any rational thinking person have to believe that the danger would have to be so obvious and clear that there would be no argument against it? Especially since you’re directly contradicting a Constitutional amendment.

We, the American people, have not been given any valid reason to believe that this abridging of our freedom of speech is necessary. There just simply isn’t any evidence at all of any danger from “violent” video games. This “protection” from “violent” video games isn’t needed or wanted for that matter, but please feel free to use everyone’s tax dollars for protection from things like a 10-foot storm surge from a Category 3 or greater hurricane or the fuselage of a 747 airplane entering the workplace or the home.
 

And two more things:

1) if Arizona wins the Super Bowl, it will be by a field goal at best(Pittsburgh's defense is the best in the league). I said on another forum Arizona 27-24.

2) American Idol Sucks. And that's the bottom line. 

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Now then, on to the latest jabroni troll, saulytarsus, Metropolitian Moron of Miami, Painus in your Anus, it doesn't matter what his name is:

 

Complete and Utter Epic Win for that comment

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

The ESRB does rate games aready. We don't need Big Brother telling us what is ok and not ok.

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So are they going to make you take M rated games out of the door in non-descript brown bags now too?

Can't you just see it, sleazy guys in sunglasses, hats, brown trench-coats going up to the counter "So, can I get a copy of GTAIV?"

Old lady: "YOU STAY AWAY FROM MY GRANDSON YOU PERVERT!"

Clerk: "Ma'am its just a video game. Not porn."

Old Lady: "Well that's worse!"

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Why is there a rating system?

Simple.

Because not every individual or Parent thinks alike.

We do not share the same beliefs, interests, or consider the same material appropriate for our child that someone else does.

As with the MPAA and the TV Rating system, the ESRB contains information that each individual and Parent requires to make at least a partially informed decision.

It contains an overall flashcard lettering system.  Each rating system does.  The rating systems have changed over time.  Look at the MPAA article in Wikipedia.  That rating system has gone through several changes over the decades.

We should also note that while there are age ratings, what constitutes an "age appropriate" value changes over time.  Society either grows more leinient or more strict.  Watch TV for the past 30 years.  Look at what has become of language censorship.  It varies.  Both based on WHO is doing the censoring as well as overall society.

The very fact that one person may see a game as rated T while another thinks it should be rated M is evidence of this.  Indeed, the previous article about the Nintendo game supposedly containing "Islam is the light" is another example.  Notice the implied complaint that because the game supposedly contained that one line, an E rating was not strict enough.

Imagine trying to set a rating system for written literature (books, magazines, newspapers, etc).

Why have ratings?

Because while one person may not think that GTA I is appropriate for their 10 year old, another may think, after knowing their child for the last 10 years and evaluating the content, design, context, and other factors, that the game may be sufficiently appropriate for their own child.  They may learn otherwise.  But in the end, they know better what is or is not appropriate for their own child.

It isn't about the material being "harmful".  It's about Parents being informed. 

"Hey, it's an M rated game!  Why?  Let's see..."  :: Looks at the various descriptors. ::

The flash card ratings are eye catchers that say "pay close attention, there is content in this game that you may not approve of."

I like the rating system.  What I don't like is some Tin-Pot-Dictator-Wannabe telling me what I SHOULD find appropriate or not appropriate for myself or my own child.  (Note I said "dictate" as opposed to offering a simple opinion that I can follow or dismiss at my leisure.)

 

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Good call Nightwng2000.  And everybody needs to remember that "Inappropriate" =/= "harmful"

Having an 8 year old see two people having sex is inappropriate.  Is it harmful?  Not entirely.  Depends upon the context.  In the context of an 8-year-old walking in on his parents, it is inappropriate, but not harmful.  Just means the parents are going to have to have an awkward conversation with their kid.  An 8-year-old watching BDSM pron online....now that could be both inappropriate and harmful (assuming no parental unit again is willing ot have that awkward conversation to set matters straight).

 

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Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Kolb's bill also requires warning labels on such games; violators would be subject to both civil and criminal penalties. Fines of $1,000 are spelled out in the bill. But Kolb isn't finished - not by a long shot. Retailers would be required to keep such games either in an area "inaccessible by the general public" or "in a sealed and locked container." Retailers would also be mandated to make copies of the offending games available for examination by parents.

Warning Labels about the (myth) of violent videogames causing violence in real life?

Keeping offencive games in a sealed and locked container?

Where are the adult gamers meant to know if the retailer has got a sealed and locked container?

Also do parents really want to examine copies of offencive games???

Sorry but this has way too many Fredom of Speech and Expression violations to it. Also the freedom of speech for parents not wanting to have violent content soved down their throats by this bill that reqires them to "unwiillingly" observe violent content in games.

sorry but this bill is going way too far.

TBoneTony

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Why argue the legality of it?  Why not just argue the common sense of it all?

Restricting sales to minors will not bring down violent crime.  It will not stop the next Columbine from happening, and it won't keep little Timmy from seeing or hearing things his mom and dad don't want him to see and hear.

You cannot sanitize the world for your children.  Better to prepare them to deal with the realities of life than blind them with the illusion of your delusion.

 

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Still waiting for an answer to this question?  If any game is okay for any kid of any age, then why does the industry age rate them?

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I have a board game that is aimed for ages 7 and up.  There are no small parts.  Do you think that this means it is harmful for a child of 5 to play it?  Or do you think that they are just informing people of the target market?  If you believe the former, then frankly you either have no idea what age descriptors are for or are just ignoring points that destroy your argument in order to delude yourself.

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That's a brilliant example, Chuma. Most of us have probably forgotten that board games have been doing that for decades. Aside from the "small parts, don't give to children 0-3" warnings, which are deliberately kept separate, the age suggestions have to do with the general nature of the content of the game, and whether or not younger children should be playing it.

This guy is nothing but a Troll of the highest order. I'm just amazed it took Jack so long to start up here again.

 

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You really are dumb aren't you?

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I answered this question in another post but I'll answer it again.

"The Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) ratings are designed to provide concise and impartial information about the content in computer and video games so consumers, especially parents, can make an informed purchase decision. ESRB ratings have two equal parts: rating symbols suggest age appropriateness for the game and content descriptors indicate elements in a game that may have triggered a particular rating and/or may be of interest or concern."

 

Andrew Eisen

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Its pre-emptive.  Use your own rating system instead of waiting for one to be legislated, and being forced to accept it.

Pretty simple actually.  You are a smart guy, I'm surprised you didn't pick up on that...

 

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Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

Okay, nobody has an answer to why the game industry age rates its games.  Here' s the answer:  Because it knows certain games are inappropriate (harmful) to minors. This is the corner it is has painted itself into.

Now, having won the argument, I am going to eat dinner, watch American Idol, stick pins in my Simon Cowell doll, and then have a glass of wine, and go to bed.  Cheers, mates, the Constitution lives, despite the entertainment industry.

Andrew, keep checking those laws.

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The only people who declare victory despite evidence to the contrary are blind. And, a saying you may want to become familiar with. "It is better to be though an idiot than to speak up and remove all doubt."

Do you know what that means? Obvious not, so here it is. It means that you should have walked away from the argument.

The enterainment industry is alive due to the constituion, not in spite of it.

Also , Iahve a challenge for you, can you find the MPAA rating on a DVD case? And I highly doubt you can. Just because the rating is obvious, clear and concise, it is not an admition that the product is harmful.

Using your logic, playing GTA will destroy ones mind, yet if they were to see, say, Deliverance, SAW, The Hills Have Eyes, or Wolf Creek, the kid would come out completely unscarred. And the line is only blurred with "choose your own adventure" DVDs and books.

 

And stop pretending that you aren't Thompson. The attack on MR Zelnick as your very first post gave you away.

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The quote is from Mark Twain, and you're close.  It's usually written, "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."  At least, that's the way I'd seen it in other literature.  Either way, it's an awesome quote and I commend you for bringing it up.  Dead writers ftw!

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I heard it as "better to be silent and thought a fool, then to speak and remove all doubt." Same thing differant wording.

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Here's to abmiguity.  cheers!

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So you think that inappropite and harmful are interchangable synonyms do you?  Bzzzz, wrong.  Some things can be inaproppite without being harmful.  The industry rates them because there are certain subjective beliefs within different cultures on what is and isn't approprite for a minor to view.  As this is based on a culture's moral structure and not "harm" the way things are rated from culture to culture varies.

Try again.

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Not quite..... it has levels much like films do and games are rated to those levels by a random test panel of ESRB members(the  USK is almost like it), thus why some games slip though a get hit with a harder or softer label.

Its not a question of "harm and/or effect" its a question of what adults think are ok for children, the MPAA has more of a set panel that dose tis best to to not rate some films right that is allow to hand out unrated stickers to things harder than NC17 and weaker than G alike.

I wonder if i the US you can create a law where you can restrict the buying rights of minors without restricting their viewing rights, porn aside mind you.
I do like the UKs way of handling Mature content even if the BBFC can be immature about slotting media properly since if its not labeled it makes it hard to sell....

 


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It´s simple: to stop having stupid an moronic people like you whinning and redacting useless laws like that.

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Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

"Now, having won the argument..."

You know, I honestly have no doubt that you're dense enough to believe that's true.

 

Andrew Eisen

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I'm with you there chief.  This guy's about as sharp as a basketball.

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Maybe he's trying for blunt force trauma . . .

 

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Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

How about you wait more than two minutes between posts to let someone actually type a response to them, jerk?

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Hey, looking at the timestamps, he waited 3 minutes. Of course, he also missed or purposely ignored posts that had already answered his question.

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I actually noticed a post at 8:21 before the 8:23 post before this one. I was basing it on that.

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Nobody's trying to sanitize the world.  If Mature games are appropriate and safe for ten-year-olds, then why does this industry age rate and restrict them?  Really need an answer to that.  I'm waiting for it. 

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Idiot. The industry doesn't restrict them at all. Stores are doing so optionally.

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It rates them as a voluntary concession, it's not saying 'only 17 years old and upwards can play this game', it is stating it's own opinion on who the game is suitable for, it is not an ultimatum, it is advice for the parents to inform them that the content of the game may be unsuitable for younger players.

If the parent is not monitoring the material being bought into their own home by their children, then, quite frankly, they need to be more careful, it is not, nor, I sincerely hope, will it ever be, the governments job to monitor what media goes into someone's house, after all, it's their house.

You seem to think that little Billy going into a store and buying an M rated game is the fault of the Store and the company that made the game, not the fault of little Billy, and if said little Billy goes home, installs the game, and manages to install it and play it without his parents even noticing, then what does that say about the parents? Why are they letting a 10 year old kid use a computer in such as way as he cannot be monitored?

Would you let your 10-year old child use a computer without monitoring him?

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No one's saying they're safe for ten-year-olds. It's just that the guidelines are already in place, and are already being used. The only ones at fault are individual negligent employees when they don't follow them. Not the creators of the consoles, the games, or the retailer itself. Just the individual person. In essence, a law for something that's already being done without it is a meaningless waste of time and money.

Not to mention that, by and large, games with the described content you posted pretty much don't exist. (Sorry, GTA isn't porn. The gamers have checked, and aside from Hot Coffee, it's equivalent to R-Rated movie material. Not actual porn.)

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Negligent employees my foot. It's the parents' fault that their kid got ahold of the game, movie, or what-have-you. Having employees check ages is a service that retailers provide in order to avoid getting a bad reputation; it's not the retailer's or employee's responsiblity to keep someone's kid from buying stuff. If you can't keep an eye on what your kid buys and plays, it's no one's fault but your own.

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

I agree with you Baruch.  I go to gamestop about 3 times a week, often on monday, thursday, and friday or sunday depending on various other things and the short sunday hours, and every time I go in (I normally get there at 1500 or later) I see kids who should be in school still, have no parents, or, and this is my favorite, parents buying GTA IV for their 10 year old (there's no way that kid was older than 10.  Personally, I think he might've been 8).  I even watched a clerk say 'ma'am, we really don't suggest this game for your child', just to hear the kid erupt into a tantrum. 

Are you telling me you can't keep an eye on your child at home, either?  I have an 8000 square foot house, and I still manage to find what my son's up to, what he's playing and watching, etc. 

Parents today are, for the most part, lazy as fuck.  Of course, laws giving parents on welfare extra money for each child they have don't help the situation, nor the fact that they've started teaching 'morality' in our schools, along with a heaping helping of bullshit (global warming, for example).

Re: NY Bill Might Keep Nasty Games in a Locked Container

BS...every nanny-state law in the land was made to try to sanitize the world for some stupid parent who couldn't do the job they signed up for when they had a kid.

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MaskedPixelanteNumber 3: Night Dive was brought to the attention of the public by a massive game recovery, and yet most of their released catalogue consists of games that other people did the hard work of getting re-released.04/17/2014 - 8:46pm
MaskedPixelanteNumber 2: If Humongous Entertainment wanted their stuff on Steam, why didn't they talk to their parent company, which does have a number of games published on Steam?04/17/2014 - 8:45pm
MaskedPixelanteNumber 1: When Night Dive spent the better part of a year teasing the return of true classics, having their big content dump be edutainment is kind of a kick in the stomach.04/17/2014 - 8:44pm
Matthew Wilsonhttp://www.giantbomb.com/articles/jeff-gerstmann-heads-to-new-york-takes-questions/1100-4900/ He talks about the future games press and the games industry. It is worth your time even though it is a bit long, and stay for the QA. There are some good QA04/17/2014 - 5:28pm
IanCErm so they shouldn't sell edutainment at all? Why?04/17/2014 - 4:42pm
MaskedPixelanteNot that linkable, go onto Steam and there's stuff like Pajama Sam on the front-page, courtesy of Night Dive.04/17/2014 - 4:13pm
Andrew EisenOkay, again, please, please, PLEASE get in a habit of linking to whatever you're talking about.04/17/2014 - 4:05pm
MaskedPixelanteAnother round of Night Dive teasing and promising turns out to be stupid edutainment games. Thanks for wasting all our time, guys. See you never.04/17/2014 - 3:44pm
Matthew WilsonAgain the consequences were not only foreseeable, but very likely. anyone who understood supply demand curvs knew that was going to happen. SF has been a econ/trade hub for the last hundred years.04/17/2014 - 2:45pm
Andrew EisenMixedPixelante - Would you like to expand on that?04/17/2014 - 2:43pm
MaskedPixelanteWell, I am officially done with Night Dive Studios. Unless they can bring something worthwhile back, I'm never buying another game from them.04/17/2014 - 2:29pm
PHX Corphttp://www.msnbc.com/ronan-farrow/watch/video-games-continue-to-break-the-mold-229561923638 Ronan Farrow Daily on Video games breaking the mold04/17/2014 - 2:13pm
NeenekoAh yes, because by building something nice they were just asking for people to come push them out. Consequences are protested all the time when other people are implementing them.04/17/2014 - 2:06pm
Matthew Wilsonok than they should not protest when the consequences of that choice occur.04/17/2014 - 1:06pm
NeenekoIf people want tall buildings, plenty of other cities with them. Part of freedom and markets is communities deciding what they do and do not want built in their collective space.04/17/2014 - 12:55pm
Sora-ChanI realize that they have ways getting around it, but one reason might be due to earthquakes.04/17/2014 - 4:42am
Matthew WilsonSF is a tech/ economic/ trade center it should be mostly tail building. this whole problem is because of the lack of tail buildings. How would having tail apartment buildings destroy SF? having tail buildings has not runed other cities around the US/world04/16/2014 - 10:51pm
Matthew WilsonAgain the issue is you can not build upwards anywhere in SF at the moment, and no you would not. You would bring prices to where they should have been before the market distortion. those prices are not economic or socially healthy.04/16/2014 - 10:46pm
ZippyDSMleeYou still wind up pushing people out of the non high rise aeras but tis least damage you can do all things considered.04/16/2014 - 10:26pm
ZippyDSMleeANd by mindlessly building upward you make it like every place else hurting property prices,ect,ect. You'll have to slowly segment the region into aeras where you will never build upward then alow some aeras to build upward.04/16/2014 - 10:25pm
 

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