Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game Bill

February 3, 2009 -

The Salt Lake Tribune has confirmed that a Republican state legislator will introduce a video game bill crafted by Jack Thompson.

Trib reporter Glen Warchol tracked the story down this afternoon at the State Capitol in Salt Lake City. As GamePolitics recently predicted, Gayle Ruzicka, a Thompson ally and head of the ultra-conservative Utah Eagle Forum, found a legislator to propose the disbarred attorney's bill.

Warchol writes:

Eagle Forum President Gayle Ruzicka is remote controlling Rep. Mike Morley [left] to introduce yet another bill to regulate those cop-killing video games...

Morley is picking up where other lawmakers have failed. (Yes, I checked and his pupils appear to be dilating properly...)  Florida-based wingnut crusader and disbarred lawyer Jack Thompson apparently has roughed out the bill for Gayle...

I talked to Attorney General Mark Shurtleff [who] says he has been told the bill will be completely different from earlier versions, but "They keep changing the language." He says the evidence that Thompson keeps quoting hasn't stood up in court. Looks like Thompson will have to call for Shurtleff's impeachment again.

GP: In 2007 Thompson demanded the impeachment of Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff after the A.G. suggested that a video game bill proposed by the anti-game activist was unconstitutional.


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Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

Wow another Bill that will get shot down within a minute..Poor Jack always thinks that any bill that goes thru is "Bulletproof" When will morons like him Learn?

I still fail to see what this bill will do..

I should sue Jack Thompson for confusing me. Hahah.

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game Bill

Yeah, But im thinking most of his hypocritical and stupid actions have been nothing more than simple and cheap "get rich quick" scheme.

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Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

My money says that this bill is, in Thompson's mind, just a vehicle to open up endless, devastating lawsuits against games publishers.  He has stated many times (when he was still a lawyer) that his plan was to sue M-rated game publishers until it became economically impractical for those games to even be made. 

Jack thinks that an M rating means an "admission of guilt" to the game being harmful.  Hence, this law is intended to use this as a means of suing the industry based on fraud. 

Fortunately, his track record is pathetic and, given how poorly written (spelling, structure, and grammer) his court filings are, this bill will be as impotent as he is...figuratively speaking.

 

Why can't the far-right Christian zealots just choose to avoid videogames (and encourage their "flocks" to do the same) instead of trying to take them away from everyone? 

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That's what he's been wanting for years, for the floodgates to just open and never shut.

If I remember right, he has tried, and obviously failed, so bring mass lawsuits against Take Two under soem technicality.

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A big issue I can see being raised with this - what exactly counts as a binding agreement between entertainment vendors and consumers.  It can at least be argued that a store stating that it won't sell M-rated games to minors is not a binding contract and failing to adhere to it is not actionable.

The situation reminds me of the Pearson case - the guy who sued his dry cleaners for $65 million because they lost his pants.  Most of that amount comes from what he called 'false advertising' which was a 'deceptive trade practice.'  The deceptive trade practice was that they had a 'Satisfaction Guaranteed' sign in their window but that he was unsatisfied with his service, and that the dry cleaners were therefor committing false advertising, punishable by fines of many thousands of dollars for every day of the three years in which the sign stood there.  Of course, the suit eventually got thrown out and Pearson became somewhat of a laughingstock.

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game Bill

I wonder who else is sponsoring this bill.  If Chris Buttars gets added on, this will cement this bill as one only crackpots support. 

Don't know who Buttars is?  Look him up, you will see your representatives in a different light.

 

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Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

No matter how much they change the language it won't change the fact that it will either be comepletly toothless or struck down as unconstitutional. It's sad that politicians haven't learned that these bills are just a waste of time and money. And that people are still listening to that walking punch line only lowers my faith in humanity another couple notches.

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They got the Cop Killing games part of it ABSOLUTELY WRONG!!!!

I now stand as my opinion saying that these nuts have never even bothered to play GTA or any other videogame. Perhaps they can't even turn on a PS2 or an XBox 360 to find out.

Oh and by changing the language, the legislation will never pass the court because it is made be right wing nuts who barely even understand the constitution.

More money wasted by stupid people who all of them should be thrown out of power.

TBoneTony

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

It's going to be hilarious when an anti-game law finally makes it to and is struck down by the Supreme Court. Assuming something gets cert before new Justices are nominated, my prediction is that the "right wing nuts" (plus Kennedy) will be the ones who kill it. Well, Scalia and/or Ginsburg might flip, but otherwise it will probably be the so-called liberals up there who "think of the children."

I don't know which would be funnier though. The collective head explosion from the "left" as they watch "their side" vote against the Constitution. Or the self-righteous rage from Thompson and the authoritarian "right" when they can't say it's a liberal conspiracy or whatever anymore.

Either way, perceptions of political reality would be shattered.

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

In all honesty it is really the idiot fringe of both sides that try to protect the children Supreme court justices both liberal and conservative know the constitution and what is legally allowable, hell they might be waiting for this bill to come to them so that they can strike it down.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

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"In all honesty it is really the idiot fringe of both sides that try to protect the children"

Never were truer words spoken.  They are both as bad as one another coming from opposite angles.

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game Bill

Like the left wing nuts do? Or anyone these days, for that matter...

My own teacher, teaching a class called "Practical Law," thought that the ESRB ratings on games were legally-binding...

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

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Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game Bill

Tenure makes people belive thier own smoke, as for left/right wing, I call them wiggers... migh as well all be part of the wig party.

 


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Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

I almost hope it passes.  Talk about giving one enough rope to hang yourself.  Could you imagine what one could do with such a broad anti-fraud bill?  No one would be safe.

Crow, JT himself could be vulnerable.

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game Bill

This wont wont you have to start a reasonable argument first and bump it up throughout government, but in the end the core question remains why do we have to nanny ourselves so much?

We are either capable of thought and action based on our individuality  or we are sheep who require no freedoms or rights..

 


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Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game Bill

So how 'bout them Cardinals, Jacko? ;D

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Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game Bill

That man's career is going to become a living hell when this fails to pass, as it will he his fault and he will be Thompson's new harassment target.

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

Jack says what now?

When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

Well, we now know the identify of at least one legislature in Utah who needs a room with rubber wallpaper.

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"It doesn't define what content is 'harmful to minors,' so we avoid the phony First Amendment arguments Hollywood loves to make. The bill simply states: If you promise the public you don't sell adult-rated entertainment to kids, then you had better be telling the truth, because if a parent catches you selling this stuff to his or her kids, then you're guilty of fraud under the Truth in Advertising Law."

I'm not sure why you'd need a new law if this truly constitutes fraud, but the biggest problem I see with the above is the question of what exactly constitutes a "promise" that you "don't sell adult-rated entertainment to kids". I imagine Jack Thompson thinks the mere act of selling video games with ratings on them constitutes such a promise, which is of course patently ridiculous. Likewise, a statement that "you must be at least X years of age to purchase this game" doesn't constitute a promise, as it refers to the purchaser's responsibilities rather than the retailer's.

The only way I could see this working is if the store explicitly states that it cards all those who purchase games with particular ratings and then consistently fails to do so as a matter of internal policy. After all, fraud implies intent to defraud, so an employee failing to follow company policy wouldn't be enough.

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Actually the first hurdle for Jacks bill is the "Adult rated Game" portion, because if you don't define what an adult rated game is, you can't enforce this law, if you define adult rated games based upon the third party rating systems you are giving power of law to the ratings boards and eliminating due process (this is why you can't legally enforce theatres to not sell R-rated tickets to 13 year olds)

If you define adult rated games as those classified as obscene, then the bill is completly unnecesary as it's already illegal to sell obscene material to a minor.

Essentualy the only peices of legislation that have even a chance of working are those that attempt to classify extreme violence as obscene, the problem they have is determining the language that carefully defines what is obscene and what isn't and the ability to make a clear distinction

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

Those don't have a chance of working, violence has already been explicitly excluded from obscenity.

 

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

Doesn't Thompson have trouble understanding the concept that the retailers aren't part of the games industry?  Ergo, his intention is probably to claim the industry as a whole (as he sees it) is committing fraud.

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

This.

Furthermore, all a retailer would have to do is stick a disclaimer by the register (or on their website) stating that the consumer is responsible for selecting age appropriate content and that the store isn't liable for offending anybody's precious snowflakes.

Or, they could just quit carding altogether to avoid any potential hassle. Someone should really remind Thompson about the Law of Unintended Consequences.

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game Bill

I wish I had the power to win over congesional flunkies to do my bidding....

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game Bill

The trick is to tell them what they want to hear, then propose something that looks legal if you spin it, while they're viewing it in bad light with beer goggles.  After all, you don't have to take the heat when the bill you're proposing goes down in flames as a giant taxpayer boondoggle.

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

Blackmail works too...  I wouldnt imagine it would be hard to catch one of these flunkies cheating on their wives or something. 

Of course you can say, "This will guarantee votes in the next election because people will feel like you are looking out for their best interests.  See look at these statistics I pulled out of my ass."

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Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game Bill

I am curious... um can even jackie think he has not made enemies in Utah?  Is he bravely walking into the lions den or just to stupid/arrogant to know better?   Tis almost amusing (irony) that he choses to waste his time in this manner as any bill with his name attached to it (and he cannot let go of his ego long enough not to have his name on it) is all but doomed to fail if only for that fact. 

Ah well.  I find I miss the simple pleasures like being called a "pixelante". 

 

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game Bill

Well, I'm pretty sure I already saw this movie, but it looks entertaining so I'll watch it once more.

*runs off to get some popcorn*

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

Another day, another failure for Jack.

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

So, he wasn't lying for once?  MY GOD, that's astounding!

Still, this'll be fun to watch.  Anyone want to roadtrip to the debate?  We can ride in my RV, it'll be tons of fun.

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I'd prefer a streamvid of the debate, since a roadtrip would be quite long.


Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

The way I drive?  A day tops.

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

Ugh, the terrain wouldn't allow for a day's drive to work, I'm roughly 1k miles away from the city.

Driving long distances for hours bores the hell out of me, and I don't drive like you :P

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

I enjoy living, no offense, so I may prefer taking a plane...  and plane tickets are cheap these days... kinda...

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I'm a pussy when it comes to long car trips. ADHD and car sickness don't go together.

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I can't wait to see the fit he throws when this bill dies...

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

I don't want it to die, I want it to pass.

Then I can't wait to see the fit he throws when it gets declared unconstitutional yet again.

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

This one probably won't be unconstitutional.

Just a massive redundant waste of taxpayer dollars. -_-


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Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

Didn't he say the one in Louisiana a few years back would be "constitutional" too?
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Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

Well, they would be constitutional if Jack could convince people that games are basically like porn...

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He's claimed every single one is consitutional. The LA one was "constitutionally bulletproof".

The judge slammed it short of laughing right in his face, and since I didn't watch the proceedings, he may have done that as well.

 

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

It is. I guarantee that anything Thompson had a hand in will be. He is constitutionally (pun intended) unable to see the problems with what he proposes. He's always right.

 

 

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

If it was in my state, I would be emailing the politicians talking about how unhappy I was about them wasting their time and therefore tax payer money on something a disbarred lawyer started up or helped start up.  Hell, it might prompt me to run in the next election even.

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How does Jack get these guys on his side after his disbarment? You'd think all the abuses he propogated when he was an Attorney would make any politician warry of allying himself with the nutter.


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Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

His dibarment plays well into the image of the poor persecuted Christian and thus he can invalidate any critism against him as 'crazy leftists' or such.

Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

It's not called the bible belt (or book of mormon belt) for nothing.

General Sherman should have done a better job burning them out.

(I don't dislike Christains, just the overzealous ones)

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Re: Utah Legislator Will Sponsor Jack Thompson Video Game ...

I thought the US was just one really big Bible belt....

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Lol, the ones that aren't are liberal retards that want to try and make everyone happy and provide for the people that try the least.

Then there are the very few actual Americans left...

 

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