Resident Evil 5 Imagery May Generate Renewed Racism Controversy

The debate as to whether the upcoming Resident Evil 5 contains racist imagery has raged ever since Capcom released a controversial trailer for the game at E3 2007.

Eurogamer, which has a detailed hands-on preview of RE5, reports that there is additional room for concern over images in the retail version:

There’s also the spectre of the old racism debate, hovering the background. That debate is only going to get louder and more urgent once the game is released…

One of the first things you see… is a gang of African men brutally beating something in a sack. Animal or human, it’s never revealed, but these… are ordinary Africans… Since the Majini are not undead corpses… it makes the line between the infected monsters and African civilians uncomfortably vague. Where Africans are concerned, the game seems to be suggesting, bloodthirsty savagery just comes with the territory…

Later on, there’s a cut-scene of a white blonde woman being dragged off, screaming, by black men… If this has any relevance to the story it’s not apparent in the first three chapters, and it plays so blatantly into the old clichés of the dangerous "dark continent" and the primitive lust of its inhabitants that you’d swear the game was written in the 1920s…


All it will take is for one mainstream media outlet to show the heroic Chris Redfield stamping on the face of a black woman, splattering her skull, and the controversy over Manhunt 2 will seem quaint by comparison. If we’re going to accept this sort of imagery in games then questions are going be asked, these questions will have merit, and we’re going to need a more convincing answer than "lol it’s just a game."

Resident Evil 5 will be released on March 13th.

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  1. Vaemer-Riit Sneaky Cheetah says:

    Ok, let me see if Im reading this right?


    You acuse GP of "crafting" a sensationalist article to generate hits and revenu.


    Then when confronted by the fact that there is no revenu generated by this site you give some vage anser about how they still capitalize off of it without revenu.


    How might I ask would the be capitalizing off of it?


    You also ignore the fact that GP is reporting on someone elses article prciesly because there is controversy. This site is a place for people to read about and discuss controversy surounding games as well as political issues surounding games.

    I hardly think that GP was wrong to report on this controversy.

  2. TBoneTony says:

    That is horrible what those people are doing to you at. Not all African decent people are like that, but sadly that is what some people are.

    They hate not you as a person but they only hate the color of your skin because of what they were brought up believing that all white people are evil.

    It is that hate that stems from society from the parents down to the children where it all starts I think.

    And also the mainstreem media only focusing on blaming people of a certain color for crimes is not helping too, too many I have seen crimes committed on the news and the reporter says to be on a lookout for a "MAN" of "MIDDLE EASTERN APPEARANCE", there are so many other people from other countries who look like they are from the Middle East. But it does not really make them criminals.


  3. MrKlorox says:

    Exactly. The rape phenomenon is quite common. I think the lack of realizing this is the cause of many of the comments.

  4. Dark Sovereign says:

    Starting from the top, not all Americans care about the PC racism you like to put out. Some of us have gotten over the past and decided to move on with our lives. Next up is "ignorance of the history that this country has". In saying that, you completely ignore the fact that we had a Civil Rights movement, and have completely ignored some of the most famous words of one of its most famous leaders. As others on this site have shown, the only real way to dig racism out of the "imagery" is to come in viewing the scene through racial lens. Third, you show ignorance of the general state of Africa. True, not all African nations are violent and horrible places to live, but it’s pure stupidity to say that none of them are.

  5. Asahi says:

    It still generates publicity. By "reporting" on these issues, it’s getting traffic to the site.


    There are more ways to capitalise off something than just profit. 

  6. Sigma 7 says:

    White is the combination of Red, Green, and Blue (three "dark" colours).  Black is the combination of Cyan, Magenta, and Yellow (three "light" colours).  Any questions? 

  7. hellfire7885 says:

    There are no revenue generating ads whatsoever on the sit, meaning Dennis gets no money from ads, and those ads that are seen are for non profit organizations, not coporations, meaning no revenue is being generated.


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  8. Liz Surette says:

    So what the hell do you want? A game that takes place in Africa but portrays the inhabitants as white? I don’t recall allegations of racism when Ashley was dragged off in RE4 and there certainly is a related stereotype about Hispanics. But no, I guess one racial stereotype is worse than another. The stereotype of the white guy being an automatic oppressor of Africans? If I wanted to be a dick I could say that’s what this game looks like, but I like to think I’m better than that.

    And oh by the way, if a racist guy writes a song about friggin’ trees it’s not "inherently racist".

  9. CrimsonCrane says:

    " Just because there was no intent for Capcom to say anything specifically about Africans, doesn’t mean that their images don’t support the dated ideas that have been a part of many Western cultures for years, ideas that presently a number of people are trying to work against."

    So, by that logic, I can be a racist without even knowing it? Kind of like a "sleeper racist"?

  10. Cerabret100 says:

    There was? I (and this shows exactly why this isn’t a problem) wasn’t paying any attention to different colors…i was just kind of focused on the enemies…more specifically the sharp and hurtful things they carry.

  11. Alex says:

    "Until the day the sky rained fire, and a new enemy came among us…"

    Nice Warcraft 3 quote.

    I’m not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I’m not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don’t know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.

  12. d20sapphire says:

    I understand that Capcom doesn’t necessarily need to apologize for the images they put in the game, but I find it quite odd that a company that has a U.S. branch wouldn’t be sensitive to the cultural stigma that affects everyone in this country.  Capcom has Americans working for them, helping to market and produce this game.  Why did none of those people speak up and say "you may want to be careful of certain images if you do not wish to be perceived as racist."

    It shows an ignorance to the history that this country has, and how this country has reacted to it.  That’s horrible marketing, on top of being insensitive to a rich culture.  If the game was going to spark some intelligent debate within the game about race relations, than this wouldn’t be such a misstep.  But I don’t see any evidence of that, and there should be by now with the release almost a month away.

    It’s nice that you were able to grow up in a place where race wasn’t something that you had to think about, but a lot of people don’t have that luxury, in the U.S. and many other places.  Especially anyone who is a minority.

  13. mogbert says:

    Keep in mind, we don’t know what kind of stuff Umbrella is messing with this time.

    Let me put it in this light. What if the "white woman" was infected with something, or a carrier. The two men could just me dragging her off to do what needs to be done.

    We dont’ know. I think until the game comes out, we shouldn’t be jumping to any conclusion.

  14. Freyar says:

    Still, the fact remains that I vaguely remember shooting white zombies at least in the first Resident Evil. Don’t get me wrong, with the newer details coming out, it is interesting to see how the PC hounds appear to bitch at absolutely anyone with a difference (rational), opinion.
    I don’t care if the bastards are black, white, purple, yellow, green, red, or gray. In this game, they have hostile intent against me and (in the case of RE5)my partner and that’s enough to warrant defense with lethal force.

    Outside the game? I already have my own opinions about African-Americans. This just goes to show that a “Mature” rated title is intended for adults with mature attitudes towards racial stereotypes and preconceptions.

    There is a limit for both politicians against video games, and video games against politicians.

  15. Galthromir says:

    This whole thing reeks of an overly PC world. I mean, you can hardly say anything anymore without being labeled something-ist. No one ever talks about racial issues at all, since if you say anything other than glowing praise to someone not your ethnicity, you’re a racist.

    And not just race, but sexual orientation as well. One of my closest friends is gay, and I tease him about it (He WILL tell me if I say something too far), and generally joke around with him. But I get people calling me a homophobe, ignorant, and bigoted, among other things. Do these people care that I’m close friends with the guy, and could give a crap about his preferences? No, they see "non-PC" comments and leap on me. Whats next, rewritting language so that you can only say nice things to people, will the future be unable to express themselves because all they know is good, plusgood and doubleplusgood?

    In our effort to make the world a better, more accepting place, we have in fact turned it into prison. A place where opinions cannot be expressed for fear of ridicule, no matter how founded in fact they are. I think we all need to suck it up, get thicker skin, because if we continue down current PC trends free speech will be free in name only.

  16. mogbert says:

    It depends a lot where you are from and what you are used to. I grew up in an area almost exactly 50/50. I’m white and my godmother is black. I moved away from that area to a big city to go to college. I’ve had people who are fresh from Africa tell me that where they were from, people treated eachother like brothers, but here people who were the same color as him treated him worse then those who were other races. He said I was the closest thing he had seen because I treated everyone like a brother as well, regardless of race.

    I didn’t even notice it for years, but black ISN’T a minority here. It is a majority, white is second, hispanic, then asian. I came across the info in a census report. I work in a tech field. My manager is black, and out of my group of about 15, there is only one other white person. I don’t have a problem with it because I KNOW these people. Some of them are great, there are a few lazy ones, but that is a personal observation, not something judged by the color of their skin (and the other white guy is kind of a jerk :-P)

    Basically, a lot of time racism is what you bring to the table. A scene may be offensive to someone if they see it in that light, but not to someone who doesn’t make a distinction between people. Personally, I think I’ll wait for a Wii port (hey, they did it with RE4 and Dead Rising) and then make my OWN  descisions, based on the game, not someone elses interpretation of the game. And remember, the main character is white, but the programmers weren’t. The company isn’t. And we don’t know the situation or what is happening. People originally didn’t see what was up with the people in RE4, they were technically zombies, but they were infected. Until we see what is up, then I won’t make any statements about what this game is or isn’t.

    If someone is offended by this game, then it is their perogative not to support it. However, just because you are offended by the imagery, I don’t think the company holds any responsability to appoligize for it unless they did it specifically to offend. Just knowing that it would offend someone doesn’t mean they did it to offend. They made the choice to continue with it after they knew it was offensive to some, but I don’t count that the same. How you count it is up to you.

  17. Asahi says:

     "I actually meant your comment was kinda low"

    Explain to me how my comment is low when game "journalists" are looking to capitalise and profit from racial division?

  18. KayleL says:

    I would have to agree

    – America had the black slavery
    – Canada had the Chinese build the railroad (all way under paid, and many died)
    – Britain had taken power away from nations like India (I don’t know much about British history, so I don’t know the details, or accuracy)

    Africa is living through their dark times right now, and it’s even worse due to modern weapons.

    In Africa, it understandable why it looks as savaged as it does. The rich are hugely rich, and the poor are hugely poor. You have to be a savage to even live, even at thet, it’s hard. We contries invading others all the time, it’s understandable why poor people hate outsiders more then they hate Hell.

    As for RE5 make a game about it, it’s just hard to defend, or go against it. I don’t think the developers want to be the game racist, but it does invoke anger in the African American community.

    But one thing I disagree with is how black looks said that it’s going to train a new generation of black hating white kids.

  19. Meohfumado says:

    Seriously, what is the big deal?  That a white woman was dragged off by black men?  Foreign nationals are kidnapped in Africa all the time.  Women are targeted and gang raped in lawless areas of Africa, often by military or paramilitary forces.   It is an epidemic.  In fact, there are websites designed to track just kidnappings that occur in Africa.  Do a search for "Africa Kidnap" or "Africa Rape" on Google and see how many news stories you get from the last few months.  It is sickening.

    How is it racist just to portray this?  If they were capitalizing only on out-dated and stereotypical fears, then I’d say they have an argument.  But considering they are portraying something that is readily in the news every month, how is that racist? 

    "You know what I wish? I wish all the scum of the Earth had one throat and I had my hands about it."

  20. ZippyDSMlee says:

    Race card burning is card burning, and this is a freaking cross of them……

    Race card burning=taking things out of context to burn with reverse discrimination.



    Gore,Violence,Sexauilty,Fear,Emotion these are but modes of transportation of story and thought, to take them from society you create a society of children and nannys, since adults are not required.

  21. d20sapphire says:

    Racism can be born from ignorance, and many times it starts that way.  Just because there was no intent for Capcom to say anything specifically about Africans, doesn’t mean that their images don’t support the dated ideas that have been a part of many Western cultures for years, ideas that presently a number of people are trying to work against.  It is just making the long road towards progress harder.

  22. E. Zachary Knight says:

    Dennis has been following this controversy since the beginning. Never has he done anything to fan the flames. He simply reports on what others are saying and lets us discuss it.

    AS was already pointed out, Game Politics has no revenue generating ads. So the editorial content of this site is not influenced by the number of hits. Dennis Posts more stories that get less than 10 comments than he posts stories that get more than 100. 

    Game Politics owes no person or group of people an apology for reporting on this controversy.

    If any one owes an apology, it would be you owing one to GamePolitics for your false accusations.

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  23. Ghost Coins says:

         I am beginning to wonder if anyone else finds it tragic that video games, as an artform, are unable to approach mature topics without this sort of result.  There was a comment made awhile back, I apologize for not knowing who or when, regarding the need for video games to mature, and the only way to do such was to address mature topics.  Why must we gloss everything over?  Why must candor and frank reality be sidestepped for a ficticious reality even further removed because of fear of controversy?  Race is irrelavant, the virus does not care for skin color, religious preference, nor sex.  We, as a community, want to see our past-time, our beloved art, recognized as something more by the public at large, free from the scrutiny of blowhards and mindless legislation.  However, we are still wound up in debates over personally implied context associated with the color of a video game character’s skin rather than the content of his programming.

         To coin a painfully overused phrase, perception is nine-tenths reality.  What you see, and what you believe is what you will see and what you will get from the world around you.  Now, whether that interpretation is accurate by the standards of other, or even the creators of a piece of art, is the debatable point.  You may see racisim, others will see a piece vested in the environment in which it was designed for.  Is it a commentary on the views of all individuals of a race, no.  Is it a commentary on some particularly violent people in an African nation that is going through a state of unrest, potentially.  There is a tremendous amount of fodder for the latter, and the prior tends to look more as a knee-jerk interpretation made by individuals that care not so much to debate the matter, rather than slap labels on those who do not immediately agree with their ideology.  In effect, choking off any debate on the topic.

         For example, I would like to see a debate on the topic of the virus as it spreads across africa paralleled to the spread of HIV/AIDS.  Virus, incurable, killing and consuming the public at large.  I would like to point out now, as I am sure I will recieve a wash of fire very quickly, that I am not sayiing HIV/AIDS turns you into a slavering monster like the virus from Resident Evil does.  Not in the least.  The discussion on the spread of a virus through the rural and urban areas of Africa would be a practice in large scale analysis of trends in viral migration.

         In conclusion, I will close this wall of text with what I hope will be a reminder that we are all here for the purposes of understanding those socio-economic and political entities that are applying untold variants of pressure on an art form and hobby that we find dear.  When we bang a shoe on a podium and scream at the top of our lungs, "I’m not a racist, you are a racist" we no longer further the discussion, we simply immerse it in a quagmire of continued sterotypes and belligerent nonsense that tells the world far more about our insecurities than our intellectual capacity.  Earlier debates on this forum regarding the social critera laid forth by the Merchant of Venice and the works of H.P. Lovecraft illustrated the ability to bring other pieces of work to the forefront, for good or ill, to offer comparative analysis on a discussion of societal ethics and the perception of belief rather than on the pure meaning of individual words.  Simply because we do not agree with everything an individual has said or done does not mean that their life or their works as a whole are considered invalid.  Quite the contrary, those points of friction tend to lend to our societies the ability to take a hard look at themselves and see through the mirror darkly.

    To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; credible we must be truthful. Edward R. Murrow

  24. spastkid says:

    Oh won’t someone think of the poor printers?!


    Oooh! You mean there are people around with the mythical "Common Sense"?

  25. Asahi says:

     >ezbiker555 –  "Wow that’s kinda low."

    Yeah, this article is pretty debasing and insulting, I agree.


  26. d20sapphire says:

    I think the thing to remember here is that in America as a black person (or any minority really) you are constantly accosted (at least culturally) by the notion that white being normal and non-white being abnormal, for whatever reason.  For a lot of American history blacks have been labels idiotic and violent and unable to control their sexual urges.  Most blacks don’t want to be regarded in that way, and want to leave behind the bigotry that has affect them for so long.  To have this image brought up again and again is just throwing salt into the wound at this point.

    As an African American I am offended by these images, and I don’t want to support them in any way.  It’s hurtful to think what me and my family have had to go through still in today’s world just because of the ugly birthmark of slavery that I didn’t choose to have.  We keep on being reminded of how "inferior" many people think of us because we are black.  When I play a video game, I don’t want to think about that at all.  I want to escape what I have to deal with in the everyday world.  These racist images are not an escape, but a reminder of the history that follows me every second of every day.

    Censorship shouldn’t happen, but Capcom should man up and admitted that their game has images that many people consider offensive.  And Capcom needs to be aware that when releasing a game to an American audience, there are certain things that we are culturally sensitive about.

  27. ezbiker555 says:

    I can understand how one could see this as being racist. However, the game is not designed nor is it meant to be racists. Simply put, it another chapter in the resident evil series. When Resident Evil 4 came out, did people scream racist? No. Not to mention, this is set an Africa so of course there are going to be black people. Let’s not forget that capcom did diversefy the eneimes in the game. In demo, I cleary saw people of different races, non of which where a majority, rather an equal number of people. Also, let me point out Sheva is black. Personally I appluad capcom for fiannlly putting some diversity in the games and would be kinda annoyed if they didn’t.

    Case in point, what your saying is understandable but isn’t racism Aprinc. This is just a game, develpoed by people who aren’t white at all (diverse number of people actually).

  28. SounDemon says:

    Congrats. You have posted so many times as the devil’s advocate that I can’t even keep track of all your posts. Forgive me for missing one of your multitude of posts saying that RE5 is racist (which it isn’t; racism needs intent, and seeing racism where it is not is also a form of racism.)

  29. Asahi says:

    I said it on the Eurogamer site and I’ll say it here.

    Nothing like deliberately manufacturing controversy to get people to come to the site, eh boys and girls? 

    Another fine example of sleazy, tabloid style journalism in order to generate hits. 

    This is *not* news, it’s one idiot’s  very carefully crafted "opinion" to increase traffic to the site.

    Nothing like race-baiting to increase your revenue eh?

    You owe your readers a public apology for this garbage. This is the kind of crap that belongs On Fox news, not on a gaming website.


  30. mdo7 says:


    this game is not racist.  If this is, how come other Resident Evil didn’t have you killing black people.  How come Resident Evil 4 didn’t have any complaint from Spain or spanish-speaking country?  IT WAS DONE BY JAPAN, DUMBASS??? NOT THE KKK, OR NEO-NAZI???  If you say RE5 is racist, then I guess Grand Theft Auto series is racist also.  I guess also Mercenaries 2 was racist also (even Chavez of Venezuela complain about the game), so what about Postal, is that Racist?  oh, so I guess that every World War 2 game is racist, right?  I don’t hear Germany or Japan bitching about the game being too racist.  As a matter of fact Medal of Honor: Rising Sun got EA best hits in Japan.  Also a Japanese AV Idol bought a english version of Call of Duty: World at War for her 360 (link:  What about Call of Duty 4, is that racist? I don’t hear any Russian or Arabs bitchin about it?

    So quit saying that game is racist, all the people that say the game is racist is either a hypocrite, or paid by Jack Thompson just to fucking bash the game.  No game is racist, if I do ever see a game that show racism, then I will never play it (If I do hear a game saying a racial slur, that’s a turn off for me).   

  31. vellocet says:

    Racism is stupid… but also stupid is hyper-sensitivity to it.

    Everybody’s a little bit racist.  Everyone makes judgements (not big ones) based on the colour of someone’s skin.  Just like they make judgements based on someone’s height or weight.  It doesn’t mean we go around commiting hate crimes.  Seriously… relax… don’t be so uptight.

    I’m asian, if someone called me a "ch!nk" I wouldn’t be offended at all because it says more about them than me.  BUT I would become extremely offended if someone called me a racist.


    *edit: okay… not everyone’s a little bit racist… some are a LOT racist.

  32. Aprincen says:

    How do you find the Caps lock key when you can’t read? I said multiple times that zombies being black isn’t the problem.

  33. SounDemon says:

    Guess what, idiot? The game is not racist. The developers are Japanese and do not have our culturally ingrained protectionism of all things involving africans, and are thus not developing a racist game for the White man to kill africans.

  34. Austin_Lewis says:


  35. Arell says:

    I think the article has a point, in that many people aren’t going to care about the context of the violence.  They’re just going to see some images and automatically categorize them as racist.  It may be a knee-jerk reaction, it may be born out of hyper-sensitivity to potential racism.  But that won’t change the results.  People will see what they want to see.

    And we, as gamers that who wish to rationally discuss this issue with those people, need to come up with something better than, "Dude, it’s a zombie game, who cares about skin color?"  It’s actually ironic.  In an attempt to make race not matter, race still matters.

  36. Cheater87 says:

    People who don’t know the story line of the RE games will say its racist. People who know the story line and what happened will not.

  37. FreeRight says:

    "Where Africans are concerned, the game seems to be suggesting, bloodthirsty savagery just comes with the territory…"

    What an idiot.  I work at an intelligence agency with 5 native Africans (Kenya, South Africa, Ivory Coast, etc…) – and the absolute horror stories they tell about

    I find it funny that the people calling the game racist whip out the "if we ignore reality of our history, and ignore the past atrocities committed against Africans, we can not expect to move on as a people".  To them I say, "if we ignore the REALITY of what actually happens in Africa on a DAILY basis, we can’t have an intelligent and meaningful discussion about that part of the world, and help it move forward".

    Africa is a scary ass place to live – if you are white, black, Asian, Middle-eastern…etc… doesn’t matter – its a savage part of the world.

    If anything, this game was LIGHT on the violence from African civilians.  Or need I remind anyone of the hundreds of examples from every single country on that continent, just in the last year.

    But it doesn’t matter – the fact that this game accurately uses a brutal and backward village for part of its plot isn’t the problem.  The fact that this game is SET in Africa, and thus naturally all zombies in this game would of course be BLACK… no… the real fact here is that a rediculous group of black activists are desperate for attention, and desperate for the world to still hate them so they have their own defining purpose.

    The fact that colonialism is over, every western nation has apologized for it and taken steps to rectify their sins, and that most people in said nations harbor no overtly destructive racists opinions has invalidated them as a group of people.  When what you grew up doing (fighting against racism) has largely been dealt with, those people do not know how to move on and move forward in a positive dirction.

    Racism still exists, my friends, but with idiots like these looking to find it EVERYWHERE, they are in fact doing a dis-service toward fighting REAL racism, because they appear to be crying wolf over the most rediculously inaucuous thing, so nobody will care when they cry wolf over something legitimate.

    Basically, we are all sick of being labeled racists when it is the last thing that is on any of our minds.  Go fight the guys in hoods, not people fighting zombies.

  38. Praetorian says:

    You know, this game may or may not portray a rascist image or two.

    However, I have this thought in my mind…

    JFC, STFU! It’s a game, if you don’t like what it portrays, don’t play it, don’t buy, don’t support it if you think it’s rascist!

    As for me, I’m very color blind and don’t really see the race issue. It’s just a story to me.

    Also, what might be offensive to you, may not be to me.

    Personally, I lost intrest in Resident Evil after I forced myself to finish the very first one on my old Sega Saturn. The game was okay, learned how to kill a zombie with just a combat knife…stab, backstep, stab, backstep, stab….but the voice overs just killed me. 


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  39. Hungry_Zealot says:

     What would make this game *not* racist in your opinion? We change the setting to some field in the middle of nowhere? The antagonists are gray-colored and androgenous? They don’t drag a white woman away, they peacefully walk with her into an alley? Do they then stand around and hold hands while singing kum-bay-ah as the credits roll? 

    You seem to think it is only racist if it is blacks being violent towards whites? What about blacks vs blacks? What about asians vs blacks? Where does it cease to be racist? Either you must think these are all racist, or none of them are. The idea that only one of these scenarios is somehow protected is possibly more racist than what you are trying to protect in the first place. 

    If you keep reminding people that something is racist and they can’t do it, you just keep the racist meaning alive. If we don’t forget about the possible racist meaning in this imagery, it will never go away. You are part of the problem, not the solution. 


  40. Thomas says:

    I think people need to see the difference between a racist image, and a image that they personally find disturbing.

    To my mind, in order to call something racist.. there needs to be some intent. The developers would need to have intended the image to be seen in that light. I don’t think they did, they were telling their story, of a place gone crazy and violent and dangerous because of the Virus. And lets be honest, Africa can already be a pretty brutal place, I defy anyone to claim otherwise.

    But, to those of us in the western world who have grown up with these issues, some of the imagary is disturbing. Perhaps it will make people ask questions, and hopefully there will be answers. Perhaps it will make people think about Africa and the state it is in, and that would be good.

    People should not be afraid of challanging and sometimes disturbing imagary in games, any more than they should be in books or movies. There should be things in all media areas that make us ask questions, not only about other people, but about ourselves.

    And with Resident Evil 5, we should all be asking questions of our preconceptions and reactions.

    "We never paid any heed to the ancient prophecies… Like fools we clung to the old hatreds, and fought as we had for generations"

  41. Aprincen says:

    That’s a great argument for not banning Birth of a Nation and the anti-semitic stories from Lovecraft. It’s not a great argument for defending new racist games being made. That being said, banning is wrong. This game shouldn’t be banned, but it is a racist game.

    You can have racism in videogames. Portrayed by way of a racist character of organisation, you can show racism exists. However, this doesn’t portray racism, it IS racist.

  42. Seiena_Cyrus says:

    Or those feelings that seem inherent in most humans. Humans tend to be pack animals and favor ‘their own’, in today’s society it’s OMG Racist, but our society has also encouraged it. now there’s a couple guys in my classes of African Decent that I adore they really are as color blind as I myself was till recent issues, like the fact there are other guys/women at that college of African decent that practically spit on me when I walk by because I had the ‘misfortune’ of being born White -_-; It’s such a huge deal anymore that it’s fostering the hate the awareness wants to supposedly squash.

  43. TBoneTony says:

    You need to have done your African history to be able to support Resident Evil’s case.

    And from the looks of a few people on this site, I think we might stand up to those people trying to slander against us.

    Every culture has it’s history of brutal hostile moments, I know my own country is not really that good of cracking down on racism in it’s 200 year history.


    If we are to say that we should not have Racism in Videogames, then are we going to be a society that says that racism did not exist at all?


    Just like Movies, Books and TV shows before us, Videogames are a way of telling and sharing some of history’s darker moments in society.


  44. sec_1971 says:

    I think these whiny bloggers are ignoring the fact the other main character, Sheva, is also black. So is the other guy, Josh, who is a hero of the game and saves your ass on several occasions. On the flipside, the zombies in the game act exactly like the civilians did in Somalia when the US went over there to try to help them. Even the women and children assisted in dragging dead white soldiers through the streets. In my opinion, that’s racism, isn’t it? In fact, the most racist people I have ever met are black. Just bringing up race in everyday situations–seeing racism where there is none–is a form of racism itself. Just look at the way white people are portrayed in black sitcoms–very racist. They are always portrayed as stupid an uncool. Those sitcoms also bring up stereotypes such as "white people can’t run fast" or "white people suck at basketball". Both of these statements, which are the basic premises of all black sitcoms (because black people think they’re funny) are examples of racism. Is it OK for black people to be racist but no one else can? What a load of shit.

  45. KaneThePhoenix says:

    I have not seen anyone mention yet that several spanish inhabitants of some forgotten area of Spain tried REPEATEDLY to capture a young white girl who was the President’s own daughter yet no one mentioned that during or before/after the games release. Just because the skin tone is ASSOCIATED with prior events in history DOES NOT mean that it is mirroring those values/events or lack of said values NOW. It is merely a location setting, would you be happier if it was in South Africa where there is a larger ratio of whites to black? In creating the game the designers come up with possible scenarios on what to base the game on and a multinational company such as Umbrella was would more than likely use a continent such as Africa as a stage for their operations as doing it in America resulted in a small American city being NUKED by the US Government. It is not stating in the games creation by this or any other message that I am aware of that this game reflects the values of the designer but rather closely resembles REAL WORLD events, and whether we like it or not Africa is by far a lawless continent in SOME areas, by either lack of habitation, corrupt governments, the Blood Diamond mines of Angola/Congo/Liberia or Sudan as evidenced by Darfur. Does this say blacks are incapable of self governing? No ( And if I did not mention this someone would undoubtedly accuse me of being racist by explaining away a Publishers reasons for creating a game a specific way. ) It means that in a lawless land where evil would flourish and seeing the locals as dispensible assets Umbrella MIGHT very well set up a labratory in that country. Which is WHY the agents are sent in, because someone is taking an interest in local events, something sorely lacking in real life. Yes if they are a mix of infected and non-infected beating a women, it is not racist to simply show that particular event, it means that the dominant racial makeup of the local area are committing crimes based on some external pressure against a person with caucasian colored skin who for all we know may be jewish. Or spanish, or english, or australian, it does NOT mean racism just because you DO NOT think about it instead of reacting which seems to be the status quo with human beings in life. This is not opinion, just positing a theory as to why you should NOT get upset over a trivial issue as playing the game does NOT mean that you would endorse any racist action. People need to be less sensitive and think MORE.

  46. ramsde68 says:

       One thing I dont see said here, among many good thought provoking comments, (and alot of stupid ones), is that although yes this, here in America can easily be considered Racial imagery, but this is in fact a game that will be released in countries all over the globe.

    Yes, here in the good old US of A, this imagery will drag up some bad memories, but in Asia: they wont see anything from it. Australia: their probably just happy they finally will get a game close to the time that the rest of the world gets it. Europe: different places will have different reactions. People in France will not see it the same way that people in the United Kingdom will see it as. Africa: will probably just be reminded of the brutality that some of their countries have to see every day.

    Earlier in the comments Aprincen was made out to be a racist. This is not true, he is very right to say that here in America these images can be considered racist. They bring up painful memories that are less than a century old for a specific race of people. But Aprincen I am sorry that you are wrong when you call this a Racist game. I understand your argument but you do not understand the scope.

    You (and all those who are backing these ideas) are harboring idea about the images that this brings up to an American audience. However, this is a game made by Japanese to a Worldwide audience. WORLDWIDE. They may be ignorant to what these images may mean in America, but this game isnt for Americans, its for everyone. But just because they are ignorant of American customes does not make them responsible for making a racist game. Which is what you have called Resident Evil 5, point blank.

    Maybe the Japanese would have a better understanding of the thoughts this dregged up here if the game was about a Japanese guy going into a chinese or korean town and shooting them all up, bringing up all those painful memories of the horrible attrocities they committed before WW2 when Imperial Japan ruled Asia in a way that would make Stalin look like a teddy bear.

    But guess what, when that game would arrive in America, you know what most of Americans would see? Another Resident Evil game. Completely ignorant to their culture the way they are to ours.


    This comment by the way, was made by a staunch Republican white college kid.

  47. Arkiel says:

    You know, the game is coming from a geopolitical vector that is, literally AND metaphorically, on the other side of the world from the black slavery issue.

    This is all a bunch of stupid drivel. If the developers working on this game were all Japanese, conscious racism on their part would involve all the Africans singing Reggae songs, wearing expensive sunglasses, and performing in hi-definition gang-bang pornography. Because THAT is the black stereotype in Japan. In the absence of that, might I kindly ask all these morons crying “Racism!” to SHUT THE FUCK UP!?

    Yeah, yeah, we get it. You want to be paid consultant fees by FOXnews to go on and say that video games are evil and attempting to destroy equality between the races. Nice. Have fun with that.

  48. Rurik says:

    for crying out loud the only racism in this game is racism against zombies. why wont sombody think of the zombies!

  49. true_gamer2 says:

    ^ I’m sorry, but u are another racist trying to spill your drivel by despicting africans as worthless people. First off its a fucking game(fiction) you and people crying racism will need to put this in its proper context; its ordinary people who’ve been infected by a virus(all in a fictional setting). the setting is in africa, so its a no brainer there will be black people as well as arabs and a few other enthinicities including caucasians. u generalize africa as a shit hole and say its okay for people to be racist aganist africans cause of unfortunate conditions makes u look idiotic and uninformed. first off africa is plagued by war, famine, and poverty, but that’s hardly the case in all african states…not to mention the same happens in eastern europe, the middle-east and western asia should we also depict such things to show how worthless the people are ? or maybe its because they are not black? ccause that’s the vibe i’m getting from your post.

    secondly the fact that there’s a white protagonist makes others feel its a bit racist…i think it’s just a continuation of the storyline, to me the claims are unfounded. as for shiva, its squarely an african-american issue of ‘lighter’ skin blacks vs the others so i won’t get into it much suffice to say accents of africans differ from country to country and some actually speak with a-closer-to british accent especially in formely british colonies. having lived in south-africa for a while i can attest to that.

    ultimately i think this issue is blown out of proportion from both sides of the argument, some bringing bizzare ideas well beyond what game seeks to potray in its storyline; a storyline that’s hardly realistic or very convincing, so reality is the last thing it seeks to show: not to mention the developers have said they had no political or racial agendas they sought to potray. so people need to chillax.

    eurogamer has been garnering a notoriety for poor journalism, why should anybody listen granted though, its mostly among fanboys crying for that 0.1 point their game of choice deserved.



  50. Father Time says:

    Actually San Andreas was as well, many people thought it protrayed blacks as thugs or something like that.

    Although the game’s main antagonist is a crooked black cop with a (also crooked) white cop playing second fiddle to him and it seems those guys pulling the race card forgot that.


    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

  51. MasterAssassin says:

    I’m sorry but this is just another of black racists trying to have it both ways. First off the main villian who is responsible for turning these Africans into zombies so if anything it is sympathetic towards Africans since it shows a WHITE man victimizing them. Second of all enough with this bs about the negative portrayal of Africa. I hate to say it but Africa is probably one of the worst places to leave. There are wars, poverty, genocide, disease, famine, and I don’t see any reason why we shouldn’t portray it as the shithole that is. Sorry if that sounds a bit racist but if you look at the current state Africa is in, it’s not pretty but I will say that a lot of it has to do with European colonialism. Also Far Cry 2 had tons of black enemies and a white hero yet nobody complained.

  52. T5 says:

    I’m going to be "rofling" when it is revealed that the sack contains an infected and that the men are dragging the woman away for her own protection due to a zombie child. 

  53. NovaBlack says:

    ”One of the first things you see… is a gang of African men brutally beating something in a sack. Animal or human, it’s never revealed”


    soo… this isnt actually racist then is it.

    If somebody wants to look at this and ASSUME that its a racial attack, then who is the racist?

  54. DoggySpew says:

    It is only racism, if the motives are racist. A group of black Africans infected with some parasite that makes them go crazy, dragging off a white caucasian female that is not infected with said parasite, BECAUSE she is not infected, is not racist.

    A group of black Africans dragging off a white caucasian female because she is white, THAT’s racist.

    Context is everything.



  55. Father Time says:

    It wasn’t just gp it was the site of the people who claimed it was racist and at some other large gaming sites. It was massive.


    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

  56. ecco6t9 says:

    There is nothing racist here and honestly the people who call racism are often the racists themselves.


    Seriously work retail for about a year and see how many people pull out the race card when you are telling them "no".


    And why is Resident Evil 5 being labled as racist but Grand Theft Auto San Andreas wasn’t?

  57. Asahi says:

     Hurray for manipulating media to suit your purposes!

    Yay Eurogamer!

    Yay N’gai Croal!

    Yay Game Politics!

    Yay for manufacturing a fake "controversy" in order to drum up hits for your website!




  58. TBoneTony says:

    even though I have not played Resident Evil 4, I can deffinately say that I can trust your arguments since that you know allot more about Resident Evil than I do. Mainly because I can see from your comments that you have played allot more Resident Evil 4 than I have, I have only seen a few videos of the game and how some of the Villages Attack the main character, they were deffinately NOT zombies at all, and yes a virus that acts like that makes people violent before they get fully affected with red eyes and things like that.


    I think I can trust your words more because of the detail you go into without trying to attract attention.


    Plus you have read the article as far as I know too.

  59. TBoneTony says:

    Perhaps with all this arguing and fighting about if a game is racist or not, perhaps we should be better as people and "PLAY THE GAME" before we decide to judge agains the game and the people of CAPCOM.

    I don’t know, but it is talk like this that only feeds into the sensationalsim of FOX NEWS and other Mainstreem News Media that just love to slander Videogames like they usually do.


  60. Mad_Scientist says:

    Ok, I read the full article, and I noticed a couple of interesting things. The author makes some assumptions that seem a bit faulty.

    "One of the first things you see in the game, seconds after taking control of Chris Redfield, is a gang of African men brutally beating something in a sack. Animal or human, it’s never revealed, but these are not infected Majini. There are no red bloodshot eyes. These are ordinary Africans, who stop and stare at you menacingly as you approach."

    The Majini are apparently the result of the same parasytes that were in RE4. If anyone remembers that game, not all of the "ganado" had bloodshot eyes. Also, if anyone remembers the credits, it implied that as people in the village started getting infected, they gradually started acting more and more violent. This was also supported by the large amount of dead villagers you find in the game, many of them horribly killed, apparently by their former neighbors.

    So those guys are quite probably infected, just not yet at the "kill everything" stage.

    "Since the Majini are not undead corpses, and are capable of driving vehicles, handling weapons and even using guns, it makes the line between the infected monsters and African civilians uncomfortably vague. Where Africans are concerned, the game seems to be suggesting, bloodthirsty savagery just comes with the territory."

    Uh… once again, the guys in RE4 were also able to do more stuff than just zombies. Most of them didn’t use guns, but they were clearer smarter and more "human" than zombies. So, what’s the difference with RE5? I think it’s a pretty big jump to state that the game is suggesting "bloodthirsty savagery just comes with the territory" based on that.

    "Later on, there’s a cut-scene of a white blonde woman being dragged off, screaming, by black men. When you attempt to rescue her, she’s been turned and must be killed. If this has any relevance to the story it’s not apparent in the first three chapters"

    Ehh, one scene, removed from context, is hard to really comment on. I’m not sure how much I trust the guy’s second-hand account to give an accurate impression, though, considering his mistake regarding the Majini.

    "That Sheva neatly fits the approved Hollywood model of the light-skinned black heroine, and talks more like Lara Croft than her thickly-accented foes…"

    This seems like it may be nitpicking a bit. If you include a black main character, make sure she’s "black enough" or something? What’s funny, though, is that for a brief part of the game, a guy named Josh joins you and works with you. The article mentions this, but fails to mention that Josh is also black, and darker skinned than Sheva. (At least judging from the screenshot of him.)



    Without actually playing the game, I can’t comment on anything for sure, but I think the article writer is overstating things a bit.

  61. Father Time says:

    A long time ago when RE5 launched it’s first trailer a group of people thought the idea of a white guy mowing down black zombies in Africa was racist or conjured up racist images. There was a massive flame war and it looks like it’s coming back.


    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

  62. CrimsonCrane says:

    Honestly, people have said it before and I feel it bears repeating: The only racism you will find in this game is the perceived kind. There is no black, white, yellow, green or blue; it’s just people being violent towards other people. It makes no sense whatsoever to focus on color of someone’s skin in this situation. It’s a work of fiction, and while there have been works of fiction in the past that were perceived as racist, I really don’t think that Capcom would go out of their way to insult a specific racial demographic.

  63. Saratoga says:

    No, it would not be racist if it was violent white men.  The fact that you cannot read does not make the person you are responding to a racist.  The point that you miss is that it has LONG been a stereotype that black men are trying to rape white women.  Slavers and the KKK in the US have been using that propaganda for more than 150 years now.  So just saying, ‘hey so it’s the same thing if white people drag off a white woman’ is just stupid, as obviously white people in this country have not been enslaved, you did not have slavers or the KKK saying white people rape other white people and so when you try to say the stereotype is the same for white people it’s obviously ludicrous and makes no sense.

  64. Chuma says:

    Incorrect and false assumption.   Infact the speech from Shylock about "if you prick us, do we not bleed?" was Shakespeare making a point about attitudes towards Jews.  Ultimately he had to write the ending as he did because making a point and alienating your audience (predominantly Christian) are two different things.

    It was a different era then and attitudes were different from our own today and juding it in a modern context is foolish.  Need more proof?  Abraham Lincoln may have abolitished slavery, but he still balked at the idea of taking a black woman as a wife.

  65. Geary says:

    Censoring a game because it may or may not bee possibly seen as offensive even though it is a long running, well-established series and is simply playing off of a new environment to work with?

    *deep voice* *splash text* TERRORISM!

  66. Nocturne says:

    OK that one is definately racist, wasn’t aware of that to be honest, for "some reason" it’s ommited from his complete works.

    It’s unfortunately not that an uncommon thought of the time it was written though, Racial Segregation was still in affect in many areas, within a year of that poem (it’s dated 1912-1913) in 1913 President Woodrow Wilson passed an order that the Civil Service be segregated and many businesses still having seperate entrances for whites and ‘colored’, a practice which would continue right through the Civil Rights movement in the USA 40 years later.

    A few years before that "We believe as much in the purity of race as we think they do… We believe also that the white race in South Africa should be the predominating race" was written by Gandhi, a man practically synonomous now with Civil Rights.

    Yes it was racist, but remember the world he was living in.

  67. olstar18 says:

    Ok how does the american audience feel. Well considering I’m american (wish i weren’t but nothin i can do) and have been a fan of this series ever since i rented the original 6 years ago I would say I qualify. I am completely unoffended by the content of this game. I am however offended by the racist claims made towards it. I would be very surprised if these whiny brats were not against video game violence altoegether and not just this particular instance of video game violence and are merely using it to give their fascist ideals more legitimacy.

  68. olstar18 says:

    I’ll agree after you make one change. Put in something about going in and killing the hippies after that new quest line.

  69. Brokenscope says:

    Who gives a flying fuck about how an American audience will feel? None of them are being portrayed.

  70. Dark Sovereign says:

    Um… no. Racism was present, but that wasn’t why blacks specifically were targeted for slavery. Indeed, on occasion, whites were enslaved in reality, though not name, in America. The song "Sixteen Tons" gives the best example of how. Blacks were enslaved becuause it was easier to do so. African tribes would often enslave the members of rival tribes and sell them to European slavers. Slaves stopped being imported into the United States by 1805, officially.

  71. MrKlorox says:

    " It’s more important to acknowledge that Lovecraft may have been echoing the beliefs/sentiments of the New England "aristocracy" which he believed himself to be a part of. "


    Perhaps the Japanese developers of RE5 are doing something similar. Japan doesn’t really have a sensitive history with black people/Africans and therefore doesn’t seem to have a developed perception of what can be misconstrued from imagery.

  72. Hannah says:

    Sorry dude, I enjoy Lovecraft’s work as much as anyone — I have not one but two plush Cthulhus — but he was basically a white supremacist, even if he did go a bit easier on the Jews than some others in those days.

    Allow me to introduce you to a short Lovecraftian poem entitled On the Creation of Niggers

    When, long ago, the gods created Earth
    In Iove’s fair image Man was shaped at birth.
    The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
    Yet were they too remote from humankind.
    To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
    Th’Olympian host conceiv’d a clever plan.
    A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
    Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger.

    Yes, he actually wrote this.  I apologise to anyone who might be offended by the poem, but it is relevant to the discussion, especially since it was written by a very well-known (and still very popular) author who was a bit more than a product of his time and circumstances.

    I suppose it’s possible that he softened his views later in life, but… everything I’ve ever read by him at any age has been solidly pro-Anglo-Saxon and, if not antisemitic, then certainly racist in one way or another.

    Capcom, however, has not shown any sign of pushing any kind of racist agenda in this game or in any previous works.  I suspect that most of the people working on the game were non-white, so white supremacy seems like an unlikely motivation for creating the game, and as for any hatred of black people, well… as others have pointed out, blacks rarely show up as antagonists in any Capcom game.  If it’s not racist to portray a white person as a bestial, terrifying killer (something that Capcom has done repeatedly in previous games), why is it racist to portray a black person that way, especially when it’s clear from the context that the zombie outbreak has precipitated this behaviour and not any innate racial characteristics?

  73. Father Time says:

    No it’s ok because the other ones were zombies.

    Remember folks being intolerant to fictional beings that want to eat your flesh is ok.


    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

  74. SimonBob says:

    Not to mention sexist, since there were no violent women in the group either.  And presumably homophobic, since the men’s intentions are probably heterosexual gang-rape.

    The only way to make this situation completely inoffensive would be to feature a group of assorted-race gender-neutral aggressors saying spiteful things to another group of similarly varied victims, who would then proceed to explain how their feelings were hurt, and then the aggressors would realize they never thought about it that way and embark on a new quest to learn and peacefully coexist with their peers and the whole planet.  Are you listening, Capcom?  This is a game I want to play.

    The Mammon Industry

  75. JustChris says:

    Slavery has happened since the beginning of history, but we have to admit that slavery in the Americas was more selective because it was fueled by racism, more than any type of slavery in the past.


  76. Aprincen says:

    Of course slavery is wrong no matter who it happens to. I’m talk about racism because that what the freaking topic is about. I didn’t start accusing others of racism, I talked it felt like racist imagery. Whatever, read d20s posts, they say it better than me.

  77. Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    Yeah, let´s not compare suffering, because comparsions are not a good measure to make justice. So you are telling me that enslaving American people was fair than enslaving africans?

    Slavery is just wrong, not matter how many time or generations can take, or even races.

    And you don´t leave too much room for a "civiliced" discution, either, if you keep screaming "racism" in every step on the way.

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  78. Aprincen says:

    Aw well, civilised discussion was good while it lasted. Sooo, I’m a racist again. Let’s start at the beginning, we did not suffer the inquisition (I think) but whe did suffer under Roman, Spanish, French and German occupation. Let’s not compare suffering. History is the way it is. Saying one race should stop bitchin is way more racist than I can ever be (without bold lettering, see, it’s not the font but the message that matters). Even black people enslaved their own: yes, but the Arabs and the Europeans did most of the enslaving (Arabs were middlemen in those days). To deny the enslavement of Africans as a racist crime of epic proportions is to deny racism.

  79. d20sapphire says:

    I think the problem with that is the context is unclear, especially if you don’t follow Resident Evil religiously.  Whenever an issue of race can come up, you have to be extremely clear about what is going on.  I understand that the pandemonium of a zombie attack is part of the appeal, but that is no excuse to not think out how an American audience will view a bunch of black men beating something that is "alive" in a sack.  Or even worse the white woman being dragged off.  There should be a lot of moments when an American staffer should’ve perked up and said "Hmm, guys, this may be offensive and detract from what we want to show in the game."

  80. Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    You are even more racist than we can ever be

    I´m from Mexico, and my people were enslaved for 200 years, and we are not bitchin about it nowdays. We got the Holy Spanish Inquisition for Christ sake…

    Even black people in the past enslaved their own kind. I don´t know why people still push with the "that´s racist, lol" crap when nobody is kissing their butts. Injustice is injustice, not matter what color or culture you are.

    That´s what is Resident Evil about. About evil that man can do to others.

    And why is nobody talking about Shiva, the Chris partner in this game? Is she not etnic enough or what?


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  81. Nocturne says:

    And knowing is half the battle!

    Hitler was head of the Nazi Party and the start of the 1920’s and head of Germany at the start of the 30’s. There’s no evidence Lovecraft used the swastika because it was the symbol of the Nazi party, but it’s a more than fair assumption.

  82. Dragoon1376 says:

    No, not at all.  It’s more important to acknowledge that Lovecraft may have been echoing the beliefs/sentiments of the New England "aristocracy" which he believed himself to be a part of.  It’s a fallacy to assume that once Lincoln abolished slavery that all white racists were confined to the South.  You’re talking about the historical period that has "A Birth of a Nation" being released publicly a decade earlier and being praised by US Senators.  It’s hard to condemn the man or his beliefs after the fact since his moral/social/cultural outlook is foreign to us now.  You also have to acknowledge the popularity of his work and how they have had most of the racial connotations removed by modern fans.  You could even say they’ve been "whitewashed."  Okay, that was a bad pun.

  83. Nocturne says:

    That was one of the co-written ones (Shadow over innsmouth would have worked as well as that’s the one where the town is breeding with the sea dwelling frog like worshppers of Dagon).

    I think his stories are very much of his time (I think one of his stories had a dog called the N word, just about everyone who had a black dog in the 40’s and 50’s called it that), but I still consider it more ignorance (albeit more so than your average person of the time) than out and out racism.

  84. Brokenscope says:

    The sack probably contained a a humanoid creature similar to something else that appaeared in a bag during the last game, usually with all its limbs removed, including the head.

    Which would grow back if it got out of that bag.

    So I think kicking the living hell out that bag was probably just trying not to die.

  85. Dragoon1376 says:

    Oh, I agree that the swastika is probably one of the most controversial symbols because it has a loaded meaning for us now. 

    There are some letters that Lovecraft wrote that are worth investigating.  Some critics have asserted that he initially supported the Nazi stance since Lovecraft believed in the preservation of a pure white American culture.  But, if I recall correctly, he balked at the approaches Hitler took later on because it was far beyond the scope of what Lovecraft would have found acceptable as a option.  He was racist in so much as he didn’t want Jews, immigrants, blacks, etc to be in his view of American culture.  You could call it a xenophobic racism.  In regards to "Shadows over Innsmouth," I believe the date of its writing was in the late 1920s to early 1930s (I’ll have to check when I get home).  I’ll have to double check my historical facts but I don’t think Hitler started his climb to power until the early 1930s.  Someone out there probably has more historical facts than I do at the moment.

    One side note, if it wasn’t for Lovecraft we probably wouldn’t have a lot of the historical building preservation we currently do.  The more you know.

  86. Aprincen says:

    I doubt that charitative organisations whould just let that happen. Maybe with an escort? I don’t doubt it happened at times, but the image (here we go again) is just wrong to me, when used in fiction.

  87. Aprincen says:

    1936. Holocaust didn’t happen yet, but the nazi party and their virulent antisemitic propaganda where there.

  88. Austin_Lewis says:

    Considering that most of the ‘humanitarian’ aid that comes to Africa is from European and American nations, and that most of the people that bring it over are ‘white’ people?  It’s more common than you think.

  89. Aprincen says:

    True, but his racism is rather jarring isn’t it? Especially if you considered he was married to a jewish woman when he made a lot of his anti-semetic remarks.

  90. Nocturne says:

    The swastikas is one of those akward images that has been around for years though with many different meanings, it didn’t get it’s negative connotations until the National Socialist party in the 30’s and 40’s, I can’t recall when Shadow over Innsmouth was written but it would either have been before the Nazis when it was purely a religious symbol with good meanings (I seem to recall an episode of X-files about this), or before the full horror of what the Nazi party were doing came to light

  91. Dragoon1376 says:

    There are three ways to approach Lovecraft: he was anti-immigrant, racist, or both.  I’m leaning towards both.  Most of the alien evils in Lovecraft are exactly that, alien, e.g. foreign. 

    Lovecraft also has a built in paranoia about historical degeneration as seen in "Rats in the Wall."  If you’re going to start arguing about Lovecraft, you have to look at him within the historical/cultural contexts of his time.  Our moral/ethical beliefs are not necessarily shared by the turn of the century weird fiction writers.

  92. Aprincen says:

    The one where a sorcerer has two children. One who looks (barely) as a man and another who is a giant invisible monster.

    Edit: the shadow over innsmouth, I think.

    Second edit: No, the dunwich horror is the one with the monster. The racist one is Medusa’s coil. Quote:
    It would be too hideous if they knew that the one-time heiress of Riverside — the accursed gorgon or lamia whose hateful crinkly coil of serpent-hair must even now be brooding and twining vampirically around an artist’s skeleton in a lime-packed grave beneath a charred foundation — was faintly, subtly, yet to the eyes of genius unmistakably the scion of Zimbabwe’s most primal grovellers. No wonder she owned a link with that old witch-woman — for, though in deceitfully slight proportion, Marceline was a negress.

  93. Dragoon1376 says:

    Nocturne, I’m going to have to bring up something that puts your assertion about Lovecraft in doubt.  In "Shadows of Innsmouth" the symbol that is used to scare away the fish people away in the Pacific is a swatiska.  That being said, the earlier racism that can be found hidden in some of Lovecraft’s work is toned down or absent in later stories like "At the Mountains of Madness" though it is possible to project an anti-immigrant, pro-white American view on what occurs in that story.  I’ll have to go back to a paper I wrote on this very same subject but you also have to look at how his legacy has pretty much had the racist overtones/undertones removed from it by modern day readers.

    But you bring up a good point about Lovecraft because his life was pretty conflicted in terms of his beliefs on race.  I’m now curious if anyone has written a definitive biography on Lovecraft.

  94. Nocturne says:

    Interracial? The father was a demonic entity, I know it doesn’t get more interracial than that but it’s quite a leap to assume an albino being impregnated by some unspeakable entity known by name alone is passing comment on whites sleeping with black etc. No one’s pulled up Rosemary’s Baby as a hate film,

     I can’t remember the name of the story with the invisible monster, you mean the one initially sealed upstairs in a church and killed by a bolt lightening right?

  95. Aprincen says:

    My god man. He uses interracial procreatian as a kind of horror! He equates it with unnatural dark magic and unimaginable evil. Have you read The horror of Dunwich, or the story with the giant invisible monster?

  96. Nocturne says:

    I disagree that they were racist because that’s a term with a lot of strenght behind it, I think they were somewhat ignorant and of their time, but not racist, I’ve read all his works and it’s not something that smacks you in the face when you read them.

  97. Aprincen says:

    I think the wife is correct, but besides, those earlier beliefs and the earlier stories were racist.

  98. Aprincen says:

    Fine, I don’t know if it’s infected. The way Eurogamer described it sounds bad to me. I guess we’re going to have to wait till it comes out to see what is was.

  99. Nocturne says:

    Ex-wife speaks ill of former husband, hardly shocking news is it, if he was truly anti-semitic he would never have married her in the first place though, I’ve no doubt the man was a pompous ass but both his later personal life and works show that he was maturing away from his earlier beliefs.

  100. Aprincen says:

    That woman he married divorced him. Called him a huge bigot and a raving anti-semitic. Besides his general racism was pretty bad too. As for Germany, even giant bigots like the Roman Catholic Church at that time said the holocaust was horrible.

  101. Erik says:

    I’m going to assume that you have never seen Night of the Living Dead.  The 1989 remake in particular.  At the end white men have zombies hung from a tree which they procede to fill with bullets.  But I suppose its okay because they are white right?  That sounds pretty racist to me.

    -Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person’s fear of their own freedom-

  102. Nocturne says:


    Several of his stories contained narrators who showed traditionaly stereotypical views of Jewish people of the time which were certianly unfavourable views he himself held at the time, but to call him aniti-semitic is way off base, he married a woman of Ukranian-Jewish descent and during the 30’s wrote a lot about the despicable actions being perpetrated againt the Jews in Germany.

    To state he and/or his works are racist is to take a very narrow view of his early life, not how he developed in later years.

  103. Aprincen says:

    white women being attacked in African shanty-towns? doubt it.

    Edit: white women being in African shanty-towns of course. Doesn’t seem like a common occurence.

  104. Aprincen says:

    Play, idiot, it’s a play. I don’t jewish people are inherently evil. I do believe that the writer of the play believed that.

  105. Nocturne says:

    Merchant of Venice proves my point.

    Leaving aside that it was written over 400 years ago at a time when Jews were banned from England there has been a lot of discussion over that exact issue with the argument made that Shakespeare was intentionally passing comment on racism, the Jewish characters are purposefully portrayed as being evil because that was the audiences perception and Shakespeare reverses this with Shylocks "Hath not a Jew eyes?" speech at the end, making the point that you the audience are assuming that all Jewish characters are evil simply because they are Jewish, whereas the evil characters acted that way simply because they themselves are evil, not representative of their people.

  106. sortableturnip says:

    Do they ever reveal exactly why they were beating the sack?  Was there, in fact, a non-infected in there?  There are way too many scenarios involved that don’t point toward racism than ones that do.

  107. JC says:

    Yes, because if you’re that narrow minded to think that all Jewish people are inherently evil because of a movie, then you’re no better than the people who call all muslims terrorists currently after certain events.

  108. Austin_Lewis says:

    The image is fairly common in the shanty-towns of Africa.  As for Farcry2, that’s probably because there were a lot of missions about killing white people in it too, you know, like the unit you had to intercept in that shanty town?

    Or maybe its because farcry 2 wasn’t as big a release as Resident Evil 5?

  109. Aprincen says:

    So I should watch, let’s say The Merchant of Venice and not conclude it’s anti semitic just because all the jewish characters are evil (except the one who converts) just because it says something about those jewish characters, not all?

  110. Aprincen says:

    No, read my comment, I think the way they are portrayed in this game is wrong. Far Cry 2 had black antagonists without conjuring up racist imagery.

  111. Aprincen says:

    they’re not, they are hitting a person in a sack. And fending for yourself is something else than being randomly violent.

  112. Nocturne says:

    Ever considered that it’s making the point that this group of people are racists and they’re attacking her because she isn’t one of them, that race card swings both ways y’know.

  113. Erik says:

    "about the spanish in RE4: Eurogamer said it best: the spanish don’t have a history of being thought of as primitive subhuman creatures."

    So what you are saying is that we need to treat Africans differently than white Americans and the Spanish by prohibiting them as antagonists in Resident Evil based on thier race?  Now THAT is racist.

    -Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person’s fear of their own freedom-

  114. sortableturnip says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the non-infected violent towards the infected?  Also, when dealing with a catastrophe, don’t some have a tendency to become violent and "fend for themselves"?

  115. olstar18 says:

    Ok would you think it racist if it was violent white men. If you said no then guess what your racist.

  116. Nekowolf says:

    Exactly. People intentionally look for racism in cases like this. Purposeful or subconsciously. Then it starts a domino effect. More people take a second look after it being pointed out, and are more likely to say "Oh yeah, it IS racist!" much like pointing out an optical illusion. You may not see it at first, but once someone points it out, it becomes easier to see.

    But also, by falsifying it as racist, you are actually spreading racism through concept. Now that doesn’t mean it should be ignored; action should be taken when there is arguable certainty, such as actions from the KKK. But when it can go at lengths like this, over something that A. there is no certainty of racism, and B. the argument FOR it being racist continues to be frivolous, then that is spreading the concept of racism, which keeps it alive. It doesn’t matter if your for or against it, because in either case, it must be presented in the current situation, fictional or otherwise, for there the argument to be there in the first place.

  117. Baruch_S says:

    Good to see that someone else figured it out. If people would quit highlighting the fact that there are different skin colors by constantly crying "racism," people would be less inclined to notice and judge people based on skin color. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy, really.

  118. nighstalker160 says:

    First of all, this is the Demo. There is no way of knowing what the storyline elements of these scenes are. They may make perfect sense.

    Maybe the thing in the sack is an infected human or animal that the non-infected people are trying to kill? Maybe the blond woman is "patient zero" or thought to be and the people are in a panic. I would expect similar action in a game with white people.

    As for the black protagonist being "a shade lighter." Wow, yeah, that’s not a racist comment at all. She isn’t "black enough" only really dark people are "black enough" to count as black? I think it says something about the critics that they latch onto whether a particular character is "black enough."

    Look, I’m not denying that the game is somewhat insensitive. But ya know what…GOOD. The only way we’ll get past racism is if we STOP THINKING ABOUT IT every five minutes. At some point it becomes just a "Game set in Africa" (which not for nothing, is a pretty violent place). We need to stop seeing the "racism" boogey-man in every game involving a black person.

  119. TBoneTony says:

    Kind of like the woman from Indiana who said that the baby game had the words of "Islam is the Light".

    She heard what she wanted to hear out of a baby’s mumbling and she interpret it in her own way.

    Also even though we as gamers have known the mainstreem media to pick on us because we are so different, I feel that the people of the TV Generation like in their 40’s and 50’s won’t really understand our point because TV was a big thing for them, like the moon landing and the JFK being shot and his funeral.

    People of that generation hold TV and News Media much in the same way that we hold Videogames.


  120. Nekowolf says:

    To everyone who continues to make arguments it is racist: sorry but pull your head out of your ass.

    The argument is a fucking fallacy. Two blacks and a victim white women. It’s racist. Two white guys and a black women, racist. Two of any race + one of any race, it’s racist. Hence, under this logic, all argument is doomed to fail, UNLESS they are of the same race. Furthermore, you are assuming, that there is racism among an involved party, such as developers. Hence, the scenes are racist. No matter the cercumstance, the scene will always be racist so long as they are of different color.

    Without the meaning nor intent of such, it is NOT racist. There is no "unintentional" racism. It cannot exist. Because for there to be racism, there much be the perception of such. While someone can perceive the image as a racist image, that, nonetheless, does not make it racist without such meaning of those who made it. You are making an assumption, then arguing with that assumption.

    By saying it is racist, you are actually furthering racism. If nobody had said anything about RE5 being racist, it would have been like RE4; just a game where you killed zombies. But now someone may see the scene, and proclaim racism, which further spreads it, because that instills further perception to it being a racist scene.

    This is not unintentional racism. Nor was this the fault of the developers. This is the fault, of whoever decided to see this scene as racist. Essentially, they saw what they wanted, which was racism. That was what was in their minds. Not the developers’.

  121. BrandonL337 says:

    I think that the not-zombies in the game are alive, however they seem to be a different variation of the las plagas because in resi 4 they are controlled by that staff thing, they don’t act human they are under another’s control, while in this game they seem to be humans simple driven crazy because the first cut-scene is an execution and a rally they use megaphones and crossbows stuff that humans might do.  What i’m trying to say is that i don’t think husks controlled by an unthinking parasite would/could hold public executions, I believe that if they were parasite controlled dead husks then they would act like the old resi zombie and just attack you with no social structure or organisation.

    There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can’t do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

  122. MrKlorox says:

    RE5 has P.O.Ws turning people into monsters?! But we have come such a long way trying to set them free! P.O.Ws need a Jessie Jackson to combat this bigotry. John McCain to the rescue.

  123. ezbiker555 says:

    In the first chapters of Resident Evil during the 1990s, the Umbrella Corp had begun to get very dangerous with its use of viruses and B.O.W.s. Starting with the outbreaks in the Arkley Moutains, the virus eventually became unleased through a failed attempt to steal a varriant of the g-virus. Raccoon city was overrunned and nuked after the goverment could no longer contain the outbreak. After those events, more and more evidence was brought agsints umbrella and eventually crushed the company in court. However with Umbrella dead, there was still tons of virals and B.O.WS to be sold stolen from the  corpse of the company. Some time later, a new set of B.O.W had emerged and has begun apearing across the globe in small outbreaks. These are not zombies, these are a new form, it doesn’t have a general name only known as las plagus, and something eles (in resident evil 5). It is a parasite, that in my theroy kills the hosts and takes complete control of it, making seem real, continuing to function like a normal human but much more deadlier and dangerous. Since we don’t have specif name for the parassite itself, I’m going to call it P.O.W, parsetic organic weapon.

    Yes, I am a resident evil freak.

  124. Seiena_Cyrus says:

    The movie Degeneration insinuates that the problem now is that someone’s selling the Virus to people in countries to upset order and stuff.

  125. Aprincen says:

    No, not really. The virus is contained in a few places. Raccoon city was infected and destroyed. Another virus was brought to Spain, where a lot of people died but it didn’t spread. And now someone brought it to Africa.

  126. BrandonL337 says:

    Thing is though it isn’t an image of a white woman being dragged to be raped by black men all we see is the dragging, and since they are zomies we know that she was killed not raped.  therefor it is an image of a bunch of zombies dragging a woman away so that they can eat/kill her, that image is used in zombie movies all the freakin’ time the screaming victim being dragged away to be horrible killed and eaten, possible crying and begging for the hero(s) to save her.  the zombies skin color is a product of the setting not of racism by Capcom.

    There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can’t do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

  127. MrKlorox says:

    " She is a lighter shade of black than the enemies, don’t you wonder what message that sends? Also, she has an lara croft like English accent, while the enemies speak with another African accent. "

    …that she probably had mixed parents? The accent implies she is from a colonized country, which makes that implication even more realistic. Do you see something uncommon or unrealistic about that?

    If she was super a dark 100% African woman with a wonky, indecipherable accent (like most of the voice actors in Far Cry 2) you would hear complaints about that also. Possibly from black americans about the fact that she isn’t decended from an ex-slave or some other BS. Even Barack Obama got some of that early on in his campaign.

  128. Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    OK, the double posting was too much, I can accept that…

    But I still think you are lazy trying to blame a videogame for racism just because it is set on Africa, because it is. It´s just that. A piece of fiction, and fiction is not a political message, even if is about racism or black people turned on zombies creatures.

    When they make the game setted in any other country, I bet that country will be complaing, too. 

    And yes, many videogames are about fight evil. If you want to see a simple game as a political statement, you are wasting your time.



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  129. d20sapphire says:

    There are a lot of black people who are called "color-struck"–who focus on the lighter blacks being the most successful, the most beautiful, the smartest, the brightest… etc.  A lot of people in the black community try to fight against this idea, since it suggest the closer or are to looking European in descent, the more valuable you are as a person.  For the african antagonist to have a british accent and to be the lightest native african you’ve ever seen, this is just another way to say "You are only valuable if you are light-skinned."  

    Unfortunately, there are a lot of cultural gaps that no one in America likes to acknowledge, and then in a situation like this it’s hard to explain why it offends the way it does since no one has talked about it in the first place.

  130. d20sapphire says:

    The problem with this is the context of history.  In a country where drugs were outlawed partly on the fear of black men getting high and raping white women/committing violent crimes while on that high, this image is taking us years back, reverting a lot of progress we had.  The image of a white woman being gang raped by black men is something that people found okay to even joke about for a long time, and only recently are interracial unions not questioned in America.  It evokes an image that reminds us of a harsh, brutal past that many Americans are ashamed of, and many American minorities would not want to relive.

    The de-vilification of the black man in American culture is a slow progress, and images like the ones mentioned above do not help us get through it any faster.

  131. Aprincen says:

    I’m the troll? You copy paste your post calling me a racist. Now see my response to your previous post. And resident evil is about zombies, always has been

    Edit: I wasn’t calling you racist. I don’t know where you got that idea. And the plural we? I’m sure I didn’t insult them either.

    Second edit: See d20sapphire’s post. That’s what I mean.

  132. Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    You are a racist and a troll…

    You are even more racist than we can ever be

    I´m from Mexico, and my people were enslaved for 200 years, and we are not bitchin about it nowdays. We got the Holy Spanish Inquisition for Christ sake…

    Even black people in the past enslaved their own kind. I don´t know why people still push with the "that´s racist, lol" crap when nobody is kissing their butts. Injustice is injustice, not matter what color or culture you are.

    That´s what is Resident Evil about. About evil that man can do to others.

    And why is nobody talking about Shiva, the Chris partner in this game? Is she not etnic enough or what?

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  133. Aprincen says:

    Overgeneralisation. Maybe in Somalia, but Losetho or Ghana? not a chance. Not all African countries are THAT tribally divided.

  134. Austin_Lewis says:

    The first 2 operators dragged through the streets were killed a week before the Battle of Mogadishu.

    Wronging someone in Africa means that you’re on their land, in their area, all sorts of ridiculous things.  There are a thousand different tribal greetings, and if you don’t know which one to use you get a lovely 7.62 round to the face if you’re lucky. 

  135. Aprincen says:

    We tried that in my country. Now we have politically correct moral relativism and a countermovement that really is racist. I’m doubtfull this can end well.

  136. Aprincen says:

    This white woman has wronged black man? It’s not about the reasons. It’s about the image. As for the humanitarian aid thing, I apolagize, I was to hasty. I thought this was about the black hawk down battle.

  137. Aprincen says:

    Once again, I’m not calling for a ban of the game. Religion is not the same as ethnicity. And I thought you meant the black hawk down operation. I don’t know about other occurences with the delta force losing (except the Iraq embassy situation).

  138. Soga says:

    To be truly color-blind, one has to start by decontaminating the image. RE 5 is a pretty good place to start – it’s a way for our generation to abandon the stupidity that is politically correct reverse racism.

  139. Austin_Lewis says:

    They dragged them through the street after the soldiers had been guarding humanitarian aid.  I suggest you learn about African history before you talk anymore. 

    In Africa, it’s not uncommon to treat people like that for ‘wronging you’ in certain manners.  But because its done in fiction, it’s so much worse?  Your argument is idiotic.

  140. Soga says:

    Oh wow. Look at this, that’s just so sickening. You’re accusing RE5 of containing racist imageries by consisting of white people being dragged around by black people, and then you turn around and say, "Oh, these Delta Force guys? Nah, nothing to do with the skin color."

    That same logic could be applied to RE5. Maybe they’re just dragging the white woman away because she’s a foreign person, she might be a missionary (OH NO, BAN THE GAME, IT’S GOT ANTI-CHRISTIAN MESSAGES), etc.

    Indigneous people of less-developed countries have been known to treat missionaries badly.

  141. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    Very good, EZK! I got some laughs from that when I first read it.


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  142. Aprincen says:

    I wouldn’t have found fault with if it wasn’t used before. Example: Swastika. Religious symbol of a Hindu cult. However, In Europe, carrying a swastika is wrong. Reason: It’s contaminated.

  143. Aprincen says:

    Maybe they dragged the delta force through their street not because they were white, but because they were foreign soldiers of an unfriendly superpower? I said it’s just as bad when the woman is another color, however if it’s fiction, the image has connotations. And I’m not saying black people can’t be enemies, I’m saying this perticulair imagery makes no sense and is wrong.

  144. JC says:

    Yes, I read the example, but what I don’t understand is that is racism from your point of view, but that’s only because of the skin color and the images displayed, but for that to exist, it has to show for the viewer to find fault in the image because of what? Skin color, which you apparently see as a problem, and thus racism since that is the term of racism. To treat something/someone differently because of race.

    Defending this case against the MSM is a lost cause because of people that have the same mindset as you.

  145. Aprincen says:

    Above comment. Read. This image is wrong and used by racists throughout the centuries. Yes, in some parts of Africa you can be dragged away if you’re an outsider, but that happens everywhere. What’s wrong about this picture is that it’s plays to old sentiments. This goes way back.

    And don’t call me a racist. Calling people racists isn’t helping this discussion and certainly won’t help when the MSM tear this game apart. Of course who could let this devolve into an all out flame war but that isn’t what Gamepolitics is about.

  146. Aprincen says:

    No I’m not. Read the Far Cry example. And be civilised. Calling me a racist isn’t exactly helping your case and won’t help when you have to defend this game to the MSM.

  147. JC says:

    Indeed, I don’t like the prospect of "hate" crimes and all that crap and how we can’t suddenly do this and yet it is reverse racism in that manner.

  148. Austin_Lewis says:

    How about the imagery of Africans savagely dragging away an outsider regardless of their color?  OH, wait, I’m sorry, that’s something you can witness in real life if you go to the wrong parts of Africa.

    You, sir, are the only racist here.

  149. Austin_Lewis says:

    The only ‘notion’ that should’ve died out years ago is the notion of protected class.  Oh no, Africans treating people who are different badly?  There’s no history of that in Africa, hell no.  People in Africa didn’t drag naked Delta Force Operators through the street and parade them about before publicly skinning them.  Crazy, where would this idea come from?

    Its just as bad if the woman is black, white, yellow, green, or purple.  Grow the fuck up.

  150. JC says:

    Stealing her away? what about "We’re going to kill this outsider?"

    Apparently, you’re the type that only agrees with violence if it against the same skin color, which itself is racist.

  151. Aprincen says:

    It’s about the image. And the image of black women dragged away by black men has never been used in racist imagery. Or at least isn’t a wellknown racist sentiment, namely that of the black men stealing white women.

  152. JC says:

    Isn’t that itself racist? That it isn’t ok for a white woman to be dragged by a group of black men, but suddenly ok when it is a black woman? 

  153. Aprincen says:

    I don’t think so. In real life it’s all equally horrible, but in fiction it is used to portray black men negatively.(or more precisely, the thought that black men want to "steal" white women) It’s the same imagery as in The Birth of a Nation. Now before I get flamed more, I do believe Birth of a Nation is truly irredeemably racist and a Klan recruitment tool. RE5 is not, but it still perpetuates notions that should have died out years ago.

  154. sortableturnip says:

    About as wrong as the image of a white woman dragged into an alley by a bunch of white men…or chinese men…or eskimo men…or japanese men…etc, etc, etc.

  155. Aprincen says:

    When it’s a black woman, I guess. But srsly, you don’t see anything wrong with the image of a white woman dragged into an alley by a  bunch of black man?


  156. sortableturnip says:

    Question:  If the Africans were dragging a Chinese woman instead of a Caucasian woman, would it be any more/less racist??

  157. MrKlorox says:

    " That’s just the thing, they could have put this in without knowing the implications of it. "

    You’re saying they’re racist without knowing they’re racist. Oh delicious irony.

  158. Alex says:

    This is what I’m trying to say, more or less. "It’s not about the reasons, it’s about the image?" If the image is there in a proper context rather than just being stuck in there for the shock value, and that context isn’t racist in itself, why is the image racist?

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  159. Alex says:

    If they put it in without knowing the implications, how is that worse?

    I’m sorry, your logic is making no sense to me. If they used "traditional racist imagery" and did so unintentionally, isn’t that "traditional racist imagery" just a tad blanketed? How is it worse if they use what you view as racist imagery without knowing that it’s racist imagery? Are there not situations where certain "traditional racist imagery" would fit in context without being racist?

    I’m not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I’m not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don’t know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.

  160. Cerabret100 says:

    Well, as for the white women dragged away, we still don’t know the full context of it.  It could just be a careless mistake of capcom, or it could turn out that she is a major character.

    That doesn’t make it alright, but it would prove it wasn’t put there just for the shock value or something.

  161. Aprincen says:

    I’m not saying Capcom is using this as a Klan recruitment tool Burning crosses, that’s rich. The fact that they are Japanese might have something to do with this. Now before I get called a racist again, let me clarify. At Kotaku, Brian Ashcraft said something about this (from personal experience). A xenofobic tendency in Japanese culture, maybe because they haven’t had much contact with foreigners (besides the US soldiers stationed on the island). That’s just the thing, they could have put this in without knowing the implications of it. That’s actually scarier than a Japanese game developer burning a cross in his cubicle.

    And yes, the image is horrible regardless of color. Yet this particular image was used by the western world to justify segregation and other despicable acts. You can call me being unnerved by that PC, but I don’t frikkin’ care. I don’t like it and I told you why. You can disagree with me but I won’t shut up and I won’t apologize (And I don’t advocate censorship, you are the only one calling for dissent to go away).

  162. SounDemon says:

    Just shut up. I’m tired of this “black men dragging away a white woman is racist imagery!” crap. You read into it and try to insinuate that Capcom, who are JAPANESE AND DON’T DEAL WITH THIS PC CRAP, are all burning crosses during lunch breaks.
    Grow up; it’s fine for any combination but that? White dragging away black woman? Black on black? White on white?

  163. Aprincen says:

    It did show horrible things. Genocide in fact. Why is Far Cry 2 not racist? Because it doesn’t use traditional racist imagery like black men dragging away a white woman. Of course Africans can be shown doing horrible things without being racist. This however, is a racist image, and I think Capcom should’ve thought twice about putting it in.

  164. JC says:

    So, apparently FarCry 2 didn’t show horrible  beatings and that suddenly makes it "A-OK?"? You yourself, are the one seeking racism from that post. There are no "wrong" images, just the ones in your head that it isn’t suddenly ok for violence to be commited if the person’s skin color is a certain way.

  165. Aprincen says:

    Far Cry 2 also used imagery, but not one with racist undertones. They didn’t show black men hitting persons they’ve caught. It didn’t show white women being dragged off. It’s not about using images, it’s about not using the wrong images.

  166. JC says:

    So, what’s your point? That it only ok to display it being a ****ed up continent by words than showing imagery? 

  167. Father Time says:

    And the eternally pointless debate continues. The game will not be banned it probably won’t lead to more racists and in 2 months after the game’s released no one will care about that anymore.


    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

  168. hellfire7885 says:

    Now that I think about it, the only people who are truly not racist are those who never notice this stuff.

  169. Sai says:

    Ha oh man, it’s always uncomfortable when a foreign culture takes cues from American media to make their product eh?

  170. Father Time says:

    I’m offended that they would refer to flesh-eating-Africans as zombies.

    Now in all seriousness these scenes do sound a tad more racist then simply ‘lone white guy mows down black zombies in Africa’ but I don’t think we should pass judgement until the game comes out. Once it does come out we’ll have all the context of these events and a better understanding of how the game protrays the non-infected.


    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

  171. Doomsong says:

    You said it better than I could.

    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" – Benjamin Franklin

  172. Ayonvox says:

    Id like to throw my two cents in here, it may do no good but what the hell.

    I think the first thing is that we are reading a second hand account. We are being told that theres a group of black men beating a sack, and a white woman being drug off by a "gang" of black men. No description of what else is happening, what setting we are in or even what the situation is at that time. The writer states that he didnt see any connection or reason for it but that doesnt mean there is one. Even though thats a fairly weak arguement, its a point nonetheless.

    Secondly, in any culture, any race, any religion, if there is a crisis going on especially one you cannot stop or understand, a person loses rationality. They join a group of people, which then turns in to a mob. Mobs are often paniced, tunnel visioned, and have adrenaline pumping. This human nature. The fact that the people happen to be black is just because of their location, Africa. Which also is a logical next step in the story if you follow the RE storyline. This is not a slap to black people, this is something that any human being is capable of. Example (since we’re on game politics, sorry dont remember the exact names) Devin Moore, Virgina Tech, Columbine. These are three horrific crimes committed by three different races. Every Human (key word here) is capable of these things reguardless of any other factor.

    Next, the bottom line that people do not like to admit most of the time is that these things DO happen. In real life, and its not game. I have had very close friends ripped off the street, raped, and dumped somewhere. Its a sad fact of life that these things will happen. Instead of taking it as being racist, I took it as Capcom showing us the grim truth of what happens in the world ESPECIALLY when put under incredibly dangerous, life threatening situations. In fact the entire notion of racism and sexism is a fairly new concept as far as history goes. I HIGHLY doubt scenes like this are in the game to encourage this kind of activity, but more to break us out of our comfortable little shell and say "These things actually happen, whether you want to believe it or not".

    Lastly, racism is something we create. Either by the person being racist or the person being offended. People are so quick to play the racism card even though that was not the intent or the creator. It IS your right to be offended by something, that doesnt mean that EVERYONE must cator to your needs and make sure NOTHING offends you.  It cant happen, you cant possibly make everyone happy all at once. Does it mean that the game is racist? No, it just means that someone didnt like it and the beauty of this world is if you dont like it, dont play it. Simple as that. If you do not want your children playing it, wonderful, you obviously are a big enough part in your childs life to worry, something that isnt common nowadays.

    Just remember, dont take things at face value. Always look deeper before jumping on a bandwagon, you never know when that wagons destination is right off a cliff.

  173. Doomsong says:

    Wait… they made a Resident Evil 5?

    In all seriousness, get over it. I understand the fact that ignorant people are going to take any subject matter they can find and pick it apart to find something to be offended by. The fact is, with the game taking place in Africa… it would be just as racist to show no violence against the locals when defending oneself as the character of the game. I know, let’s replace all the Africans with Asians!! I mean, the game was developed in Japan so this would be completely ok right? Or would this, maybe, be found as slightly offensive to those people who are of the understanding that Africa is in fact populated by Africans?

    Hell, I say we start a tirade against the Halo series or maybe Resistance for it’s encouragement of intolerance against fictional alien species. You might not think that’s such a big deal, but isn’t intolerance wrong in all aspects? Any of you apologists can argue against this post and several others in this forum, but when it comes down to it you’re just looking for something to cry about.

    "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" – Benjamin Franklin

  174. CaptainZM says:

    If splattering the zombies brain with your boot is the only blain splattering method you have at that moment, you’d damn well use it. Once their zombies, their race is about as important as what style of clothes they’re wearing.


    It’s a zombie. Kill it. kill it with fire untill it doesnt move anymore.

  175. Kojiro says:

    Yes, you can say it is racist and not ban it.  At least in America, RE5 is protected by Freedom of Speech.  The only thing that can override that freedom of speech is if said speech proves to be a clear and present danger, such as shouting "fire" in a crowded room when there is no fire. 

    And I think people are confusing "racist" with "upsetting" imagery.  The former implies Capcom harbors hate towards a particular race and intended to express that hate.  The latter is a side effect of a viewer’s experiences and mindset.  Capcom is not inciting racial violence, so to imply it should be banned or censored is absurd. 

    Plenty of art and media contains upsetting imagery.  They are all protected.  If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.  Vote with your dollars.

  176. Aprincen says:

    Oh yay, we’ve got racism, global warming in the shoutbox and now religion. Now someone say something about Pluto and we can make this board explode.

  177. SciFi25 says:

    Why should I be worrying? Its not like I am going to be going ‘oh noes, the flying spaghetti monster is going to eat me, save me jeebus! Oh crap, jeebus doesn’t exist!!’

    lol at pluto!


    There’s probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.

  178. eston says:

    Honestly, the whole debate over this game just goes to show that if you go out looking for something to be offended by, then you will ultimately find it. People see racism in this game because they want to. I just see Resident Evil.

  179. ezbiker555 says:

    I only see a biohazard that has to be dealt with. I don’t see racism.

    I also see diversity and people of different races working together bad or good.

  180. Paulrus says:

    Hotel Rwanda was based off a true story though.  This still has the stigma of being a game. I appauld the efforts of all the debaters here and I too will recognize that if you make a game set in a forgein country, you’ll need forgien enemies.

    Here’s a better question. What does this make us look like? Africa is a pressure cooker of desease, warfare, and humanity. It does make for an intresting setting, but when you see playing a game like this, what does that say to the rest of the world. Sure there’s a lot of games where you kill people of african decsent and where you play in hotzones of the world, but I feel nothing good coming from this. Capcom, the industry, and even GamePolitics should go to the media and try to defend this game in their own way.

    But at the end of the game, it’s still tasteless, y’know. What is a ‘groundbreaking idea’ and where do we draw the line at a subject that should be treaded lightly, or even shouldn’t be used at all? A game is a game the same way the comic book is a comic book. Try as it might, but it will never reach the respect of movie. We want to throw a message into our games so we can say "hey look, we can be arsty and political too!" but people don’t see it that way. Those comic book wars from yesteryear, what does it matter now? Sure, we can now get away with more, but the comic book is still something associated with nerd culture. Pop culture only comes into play when it comes to Superman, Batman, or some other big superhero.

    In closing, until we can all play the game itself, this was a bad idea. Until the gameplay and story shows us how lightly Capcom has treaded, we can’t say much. If you’re just killing African peasants with mind controlling bugs, fine. If it shows the Africans beating white people, okay. But if there’s something that goes to far, like a image of Chris curb stomping an african child while eating a cheesburger and wearing blackface (or some of the sort), the gaming community would have to take action.

    In our world, tounge in cheek is commonplace. In the pop world, it’s something only Primetime can get away with.

    I’m an attention whore. So visit my DevaintArt and feed my ego. Feed the whore.

  181. King of Fiji says:

    Isn’t the whole point of Resident Evil that a virus is spreading throughout the whole world or something?  I’ve only played the fourth one so I’m sort of out of the loop of the whole serie’s story but isn’t that what is basically is?

    A virus turning everyone into a zombie regardless of race, ethnicity, or residency in the world?  

  182. Aprincen says:

    She is a lighter shade of black than the enemies, don’t you wonder what message that sends? Also, she has an lara croft like English accent, while the enemies speak with another African accent. In Hotel Rwanda, there are Africans saving other Africans. In Far cry 2 you also kill Africans, but you don’t find any mobs of Africans draggin white women into alleys. This game has imagery that is just wrong.

  183. Hershey says:

    Sigh…Let’s use our intelligence.

    Resident Evil is set in Africa.

    In Africa, there are AFRICANS.

    And people who come visit Africa USUALLY AREN’T AFRICANS.

    I know that "lol it’s just a game" isn’t a good answer, but just look at where the setting is. If RE5 was set in brazil, guess what, THERE ARE GOING TO BE BRAZILIANS THERE. If it was set in Alaska, guess what? THERE ARE GOING TO BE ALASKANS/ESKIMOS THERE.

    Let’s not forget that the partner of Chris is black, (she has a british accent as well) So would’nt that downplay the racist accusations?

    The movie "Hotel Rwanda" also had Africans killing everyone including visitors. Has anyone cried barbarianism then?

  184. JC says:

    Most survivors died, they usually made the game keep in a way to keep you isolated from receiving help. Of course, some games had help for a while then they either vanish for plot reasons or die.

  185. Cerabret100 says:

    except for the main characters (ie those you play as) and maybe one or two others…not really.

    If your not a kid, a rookie cop, some type of secret agent, a Redfield, or popular S.T.A.R.S member, your pretty much screwed.

  186. Hershey says:

    I pretty sure that the Africans in RE5 won’t be all be portrayed in a hostile way. Maybe there are survivors, I would’nt know. Were there any survivors in the RE series at all?

  187. Aprincen says:

    True, but Far Cry 2 managed to say Africa is a generally f*cked up continent without coming of as racist.

  188. Cerabret100 says:

    Well you know what? that stuff does happen in Africa (granted, it has the chance to happen in any place).

    Making the woman dragged off white may have been a bad move (but it’s significance may not be fully explained), but violence against women is very real.  My class of Africa’s professor is from Rwanda, and he stated clearly, women aren’t treated right.  Those who try to use family planning are often beaten or shunned afterwards.

    Africa is an  unstable place.  While the acts depicted in RE5 shouldn’t be taken as a blanket statement by anyone, the dictators and many factions have commited serious acts like genocide against other ethnics.

    As much as i hate to say it, and wish it weren’t true, sometimes africa lives up to these stereotypes, read "They rained fire on us from the sky", all the horrible acts, and the suffering the lost boys had to go through, were due to actions on other africans.

  189. Little_Rudo says:

    I don’t think anyone (reasonably) is going to call for the game to be censored. It doesn’t change the fact that it can be presenting racism images and messages, even unintentionally. I completely oppose censorship, but people and companies need to take responsibility for the thoughts and images they put out.

  190. sortableturnip says:

    If it’s on this side of the fence, it’s censorship….if it’s on that side of the fence, it’s racism.  You can’t win either way.

  191. Seiena_Cyrus says:

    Does the Demo say that the woman workin with Chris is -FROM- Africa? cuz guess what…your mannerisms and stuff change depending on a person’s upbringing…that’s the first issue, the second issue…I saw the game having an African Gorilla warfare group kinda feel to them…thus they’re gonna be angry they’re gonna be mean…and odds are they’re gonna attack anyone really, would it be less of an issue if they were dragging a black woman off? So they chose a white woman…those are there too ya know…African isn’t 100% Dark skinned…

    Why not instead of finding all the friggan faults that are imaginarily in the game or really there…we dunno what the -Japanese- Developers are thinking…and it’s their choice to do what they want with -their- story…anyways why not…just…enjoy the story.

  192. Aprincen says:

    Read the piece. The white woman dragged away by a gang of black men is racist. Non-infected also being violent is weird for a RE game. The black person who is supposed to make this better is way less black than the enemies (and doesn’t talk with a African but with an English accent). N’Gai Groal was right: nobody black worked on this game. There probably aren’t that many black people in Japan, maybe that’s the reason RE5 is so insensitive.

    Edit: about the spanish in RE4: Eurogamer said it best: the spanish don’t have a history of being thought of as primitive subhuman creatures.

  193. Nocturne says:

    Because if only violent white people appeared in games, that wouldn’t be racist!


    I mean everything they say about the games enemies applies to those in Resident Evil 4 and I don’t recall anyone claiming racism back then?

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