Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus Package

February 9, 2009 -

A $2 billion allocation intended to push universal broadband service into rural areas of the United States has been cut from President Obama's economic stimulus package, according to Gizmodo:

Those jokers down in Washington finally compromised on the economic stimulus bill, with the Republican minority succeeding in cutting out huge swathes of spending. Among the casualties is the $2 billion for universal broadband...

 

Sorry, "real America," you're gonna keep getting screwed.

GP: Support for the Obama stimulus package is largely split along party lines. However you feel about the stimulus bill, universal broadband would be a big win for gamers in areas with poor quality Internet access.


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Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

Or my town. The only cable you can get is Charter cable. The only satellite you can get is Dish Network. I'm not sure about phone. But I know some people simply can't get dish in my area, so for them, it's either Charter cable or nothing.

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

Just like my town. The phone company is the only offer for DSL. For the cost of my 1.5Mbs connection, people in a town 10 miles away are getting 6Mbs connection from At&t.

Yeah, I would certainly hate for someone to fund the laying down of a cable or fiber infrastructure in my neighborhood. /sarcasm

Or you could be like my Mom and Dad whose only options are wireless (256 Kbs for more than I am paying for my 1.5Mbs and far less reliable) or satelite (not sure, but  Ithink they will be able to get 512Kbs or 1.5Mbs for nearly double of what I am paying, but it is more reliable than wireless) Certainly would hate for someone to fund the laying down of a cable or fiber infrastructure in my parents' neighborhood. /sarcasm

Just an aside, if DSL runs through existing phone lines, why can my parents not get DSL? They have a landline telephone. Shouldn't getting DSL be a flip of a switch so to speak?

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

"Just an aside, if DSL runs through existing phone lines, why can my parents not get DSL? They have a landline telephone. Shouldn't getting DSL be a flip of a switch so to speak?"

It would be nice, but no. If you are too far away from one of the phone company's central offices, the signal attenuates too much for DSL to be of any use.

"Yeah, I would certainly hate for someone to fund the laying down of a cable or fiber infrastructure in my neighborhood. /sarcasm"

South Korea is working on getting their infrastructure upgraded so that Gigabit connections are a viable option for eveyone in the country. Obviously, they're serious about lag in StarCraft (just kidding!).

But that begs the quesiton, what's our problem? Why is America, a world leader in bussiness, industry, and science, content to allow it's communication infrastructure to wither on the vine?

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

South Korea is working on getting their infrastructure upgraded so that Gigabit connections are a viable option for eveyone in the country. Obviously, they're serious about lag in StarCraft (just kidding!).

But that begs the quesiton, what's our problem? Why is America, a world leader in bussiness, industry, and science, content to allow it's communication infrastructure to wither on the vine?

South Korea - 38,622 sq mi

United States - 3,794,066 sq mi

The reason being is because it's much, much easier to do it in S. Korea.

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

It would be nice, but no. If you are too far away from one of the phone company's central offices, the signal attenuates too much for DSL to be of any use.

Makes sense. They would have to install signal amplifiers at regular intervals in order to make it possible bringing about much the same arguments as other infrastructure building plans.

Thanks.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

But that begs the quesiton, what's our problem? Why is America, a world leader in bussiness, industry, and science, content to allow it's communication infrastructure to wither on the vine?

It's a function of the communications infrastructure being privately owned. Few of the companies that actually own the lines are willing to take the hit to profits that paying for comprehensive infrastructure upgrades would require. Particularly when it's often cheaper and easier to oversell their available bandwidth, then start throttling the service of anyone that makes full use of their bandwidth "For the good the the network".

-Gray17

-Gray17

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

The new debate, who are more stupid, politicians or creationists?  How do they waste so much time and money, then when a half good idea actually comes out they cut it.  Not saying this is an amazing idea, but it is better than the JT trying to get his ideas passed to he can try to blame developers/publishers instead of retailers/parents for kids getting adult games.

I found an article about converting a normal car to a fully electric car for $2,000-$4,000 with a range of 100 miles and charge time of 3 hours.  This is the type of stuff that needs to be encouraged.  One guy that tried it out ended up spending $7 more on his electric bill to do his monthly driving, though I cant remember how far he drove...  I believe it was over 300 miles though.  That would be $0.02 a mile, which is half of what my car gets at 35 miles per gallon.  If you add thin film solar sheets to the roof, hood, and trunk, you could get that down to even less.

All in all, focus needs to be put on the auto industry, because it is one of the major areas that needs to change in the US and world wide.  There is countless pointless spending, overpaid unions, and overpaid CEOs. (Which the later is not only an auto industry problem.) I can not rationalized anyone making more than $10 million a year, and even that is hard when most people can live off of the interest from $5 million a year, and do evidently with the average US income.

Obama is at least getting things slightly going in the right direction it seems.  I am still curious what future months will bring.  My next question is, what else was in this package that was actually of value, and what did the republicans get added to it.

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Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

Creationist politicians

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Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

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Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

Do I get a cookie?

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

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Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

 Oh dear...

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

Oh, so encouraging stupid "green" trends is a good idea now?  How is encouraging electric cars or hybrids a good thing, even if you only refit your current vehicle to be such?  First off, it's the initial payment.  That guy didn't spend an extra $7, he spent an extra $4007.  Seeing how gas is around $30-40 a tank about now, that's not necessarily a winning deal.

Looking at the environmentalist standpoint as well, increasing the production of a substance as horribly toxic as a battery is supposed to be benefitial?  Nickle mining?  Battery Acid?  The lack of an actual recycling program?  All those are proven (toxic) wastes that just take up space when they're done. 

So yeah, no...not a good idea.

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

 "That guy didn't spend an extra $7, he spent an extra $4007"

Now that's incredibly short sighted... yes the initial amount is $4007, but what you have to take into account is how much he saves from no longer needing gas... He's gonna make back the money he spent in how much he's saving and then he will start really saving; in the long run it pays off... that's what it means to make an investment; gonna spend money to make money and all that

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The thing is, if you have a $2,000 engine repair needed on a car, it is only $2,000 more for an engine design that is twice as reliable.  Also, instead of spending just $4,000 for the conversion, you can just get a car with a body, interior, wheels, and other basic parts (no engine), which wouldnt cost much.  Or take a real junker and fix it up.  This could be the next thing that parents do with their kids for the kid's first car.  It doesn't have the explosive hazard hydrogen does, and more reliable than any engine design out there right now. 

Though the top speed would be 55-70mph depending on the weight of the car.  Technology will be getting better and cheaper, making this a logical choice.  This has nothing to do with the psycho green movement, those A-holes are insane with the crap they support at times, like PeTA.  They have some good points at times though, and this is one of them.  You drop one of these conversions into a car, and it is easy as heck to maintain compared to a combustion engine.  Plus, it isn't hard to take a car battery and rejuvenate it, just most people never learn how to.  You wont get 100% life back out of it, but you can do it 4 or 5 times and get it up to 90% of it's life back.

The technology and ability is there, just people need to learn it and use it.  Combustion engines weren't a good idea from the start, and there were better earlier engine designs when cars first started, just combustion had the most money behind it, and took out their competitors, sometimes in dirty ways.  The technology has been there to do this for over a decade, but the oil companies keep putting barriers in the way.  Once they see a possible problem, they jack down gas prices and cut employees, even though they just got a just check from Bush and record profits.

If more money gets put into this technology it will not only get cheaper, but will get more money for research.  So it comes down to picking how you want things to go.  I support pure electric with solar mixed.  The battery technology could be better, especially if Texaco didn't own the patten to the best battery technology we have right now, but better battery technology will come when it is demanded by the people.  Even more "environmentally friendly" options will come, but that doesnt matter to me.  Actually being smart with the money overall does matter though.

$6,000 to get a car to mod like this, and plug into a normal house outlet.  If you want more range, you just get more batteries.  There are ways to decrease charge time as well...  Engine will last longer and be cheaper to repair over time than any other engine design out there other than rotary, but still you would have to know how to do it yourself.  Other than vehicle AI, this is the next logical step for the automotive industry.  It isn't hard to recreate the braking generators to put energy back into the batteries when braking as well, and another $500.  You get enough people doing it trying to make things work better and sharing that information, then technology will get better a lot faster than letting the automotive industry do their thing.  We have been with the same basic engine design and gas mileage for 30 years other than hybrids.

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Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

Though actually, electric cars and hybrids waste more energy at first, for a while. Because, they have to be produced, and few could afford them (hell, not many can afford new cards, now). So a lot of middle-class families, if they need a car, would be more likely to turn to used cars, which have already been produced, which saves energy in that production.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for more environmental vehicles, I was just pointing that out for the hell of it.

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

Yes but one of the points is that you could supposedly convert a car to eletric for only about $2-4000, which is generally within the range of a middleclass family; a worthy investement for how much money you'd save in the long run. Hell, if it's true, then it actually does make you question why eletric and hybrid cars are so expensive... i could put on a tin foil hat and start going on about auto industry conspracies to keep people buying gas guzzling cars, but i'll think i should keep it off... Quiet frankly, if a car could actually be converted for so little by some random mechanic, then god knows the auto industry could probably do A LOT better at creating such cars and making them affordable for consumers... and sure while people do often turn to used cars, we have to keep in mind that the new cars of today will be the used cars of tomarrow; drop gas cars and start making almost nothign but eletric and hybrids and in 10 years you'll see them start filling up the used car lots

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

How is spending 4000 dollars to shorten your car's range to 100 miles a good investment?  That's idiotic.  I can go 325 miles in my Mitsubushi, and 400 some in my Kia without hypermiling, on one tank of gas, which is 30 dollars maximum.  Why in hell would anyone spend 4000 dollars so that they can charge their car for 3 hours for every hundred miles they want to go?

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

I find myself agreeing with you for once.  However it is worth noting that if you reject electric cars and look at hydrogen as a fuel source, you can still get 250 miles out of the car and refuel at pumps in 3 minutes.  Sadly the technology isn't available to upgrade your car yet... only to buy an expensive one :/

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

 Its the amount of money you end up saving on fuel you realtively make back the amount of money then start really saving... furtharmore, aside from trips, unless you drive more than 100 miles on daily basis, that limit is enough to cover your needs; it ain't perfect for everyone but it would be good for a lot of people... and if things were set up to support that kind of driving such as giving you a place to recharge while at work, you double that to the point were you need to drive over 200 miles in a single day for it not to sufficant... with a little work i'm sure you could design a car to make the battery as easy to change as an common battery and thus you just need to stop for 5 minutes to change the battery for longer trips... Hell if you actually have two cars it might be very worth while to convert one; for family trips i'd imagine you'd only need one car.

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

I was think of a system similar to propane tanks at gas stations, when your car is low on charge you take it in pay some amount of money they give you a battery and keep your old one, which they then recharge and sell to someone else later, of course to do that you would need easily replacable batteries

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

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Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

Oh, so now we're buying car batteries every 100 miles?  That sounds expensive.

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

No all we are doing is trading in our used batteries for a charged one for a good price they recharge yours and "sell" it to someone else

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Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

Which then they would sell for the cost of energy to charge them, plus an additional fee for the service, like propane tanks.

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Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

Exactly, so what do you guys think of the idea?

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Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

Very true. I only drive about 60-80 miles a day. At the end of the day I could plug it up and be ready for a new day when  I wake up.

Longer trips would be a little less likely, but it could still be possible.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

Who only drives 300 miles a month?

Seriously, that would be great technology if you could make a 600 mile drive in less that the 10 hours it takes to actually DRIVE the 600 miles, plus the 15 it takes to charge your car.

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus Package

Oof. I've got a buddy just outside town here who would maim for available broadband of some stripe.  He's on satellite internet, and they throttle his connection randomly.

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus Package

I've been against universal broadband even though its allegedly good for gamers (It's actually terrible for gamers).  I'm glad it was removed from the stimulus package.  I only hope somehow the rest of the "stimulus" package dies.

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

Yeah, I fail to see how it is "bad" for gamers, as well. Do explain.

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

We already have 13 million wow addicts, do you really want more????

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

/joke

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus Package

May I ask why you are against it? And why it would be terrible for gamers?

 

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Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus Package

Despite the discussions that happened last time we had an article on universal broadband, I am still unsure why universal broadband is bad for gamers.

Net Neutrality, however, I can somewhat understand why that would be bad for gamers. When Thunderbird downloads 100 Kb of information every ten minutes, my gaming lags like none other. /sarcasm

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

I've been against universal broadband even though its allegedly good for gamers (It's actually terrible for gamers).
 

I think, those stuck on dial-up might disagree.

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

-Facepalm- Theres goes the neighborhood

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus Package

Aw, that sucks.  They won't bring broadband out to where my home is back in my hometown, so I have to go without high speed for the entire summer.  That means it gets very boring.

On a side note, how exactly is this stimulus supposed to help anything?  I mean, and sorry if this brings to light a clear misunderstanding of economics or anything along those lines, but from what a friend tells me they're basically making money up by borrowing it from the federal reserve.  Won't that just make the problem worse in the long run, what with the increased inflation and all?

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus Package

On a side note, how exactly is this stimulus supposed to help anything?

That's the trillion-dollar question right now. Pumping money into the economy is supposed to help companies stay in business, keeping people from losing their jobs and encouraging these people to spend the money they earn to further boost the economy.

In theory, if everyone keeps spending money, it could work. Unfortunately, reality doesn't work that nicely. The phrase "economic crisis" tends to make people thriftier and more likely to save money instead of spending it on non-essential stuff. We're also assuming that the money does go where it's supposed to go, but you know somebody is going to work out a way to line his pockets with the money instead of using it to enhance his business. And finally, all this money has to come from somewhere. We're digging our country into an even deeper debt that future generations will have to pay off and hurting the value of the dollar in the process. It could work out just fine despite all the potential problems, but I doubt fixing the economy is going to be as easy as passing out some free money.

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

Well, the idea is that the money spent on the stimulus package will end up in the pockets of those who work on the various projects, and those people will then spend that money on goods and services that they need - and the providers of those goods and services will in turn spend the money on stuff they, and so on. The end result is that the economy doesn't take a complete nosedive like it otherwise would have.

That's the theory as I understand it. I'm not an economist, so I couldn't tell you if it works or not.

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

That is exactly how the stimulis and our economy as a whole works. Keynesian or Demand-side economics. You create a need for a good or service and in a capitalist society SOMEONE will find a way to meet that need, and at a profit (well, that last part if they have half a brain).

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

Sorry, but FDR's New Deal showed that stimulus packages do nothing to help the economy, but rather to only improve the morale of some of the citizens.  If it wasn't for WWII, an even which required every man and woman of working age to work, we would have been stuck in the Great Depression for much, much longer.

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

Incorrect. The economy was already in full recovery when the US entered WWII (we hadn't reached full employment, but were well on the way). And for the record, Full Mobilization and things like the GI Bill and the like are stimulus packages.

 

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

Funny, and here I thought unemployment was a major factor in determining the financial state of the Contry.  And no, the economy wasn't recovered.  All in all, things remaind very unchanged throughout the FDR years economically speaking.  He just had this great way of making people feel optimistic when their lives were in the shitter. 

And no, Full Mobilization and the GI Bill aren't quite stimulus packages.  They're similar, but without much of the red tape, the wasted money, and on a much larger scale.  Plus, it was only something that could have been done through the undeniable will of the masses that was present after Pearl Harbour.  So, if you get rid of the red tape, the bureaucracy, get it to the point where the grand majority of America isn't just wishing you to do so, but pushing you to do so, then yes, it's exactly like a stimulus package on par with the New Deal, or what's currently being pushed through Congress right now.

Re: Universal Broadband Funding Axed from Obama Stimulus ...

Wrong again!

Unemployment went down every year BUT one that FDR was in office. That one year that unemployment went up is when FDR acquiesed to the GOP and cut spending and taxes.

Let me guess, you are using the thoroughly debunked numbers that exclude anyone working the the New Deal projects that built things as employed?

Pathetic.

 
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