Man Charged With Molesting 14-year-old Girl He Met Playing WoW

A 23-year-old Ohio man has been arrested for allegedly having sex with a 14-year-old Pennsylvania girl he met while playing World of Warcraft.

According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Pennsylvania State Police offer this account:

Daniel Joseph Czelusniak, 23… and the girl made first contact about four years ago on the Internet while playing [WoW] At the time, the girl claimed to have been 14 already.

Last March, the suspect traveled to Bedford County to meet her. He learned she actually was 14, but the two proceeded two months later to have a physical relationship, police said…

The relationship ended last September after the girl’s mother found a cell phone the suspect bought for the girl. The mother questioned her daughter, confronted Mr. Czelusniak, and notified police.

GP: We’ve had a scary run of such cases of late…

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  1. 0
    Adrian Lopez says:

    No. Children being taken advantage of is something that should first be recognized and then taken to court. First you learn that a crime has been committed, and then you enforce the law. That’s how it works; That’s how it’s always worked. The only difference here is that the judge would be looking at actual evidence of abuse as opposed to the fact that a 15-year-old’s partner is 21 instead of 20.

    Your assertion that without AoC laws it would never go to court is blatantly false. You may recall from reading Levine’s book that Amsterdam has or had a law where sex with minors between the ages of 12 and 16 is not itself illegal unless the minor complains or else the parents have reasonable grounds for complaint. Age is not what triggers enforcement, but rather the nature of the relationship and the actual manifestation of power imbalances.

  2. 0
    Adrian Lopez says:

    "Beyond signing an online petition, they have no clue what it takes to fight the system.  But I’m sure griping on forums and comments is a great first step.  /sarcasm"

    You forget that you too are part of this discussion.

    Anyway, the point here is not to change the world,  but to discuss a policy. I doubt anybody here thinks posting to GamePolitics amounts to fighting the system, and you mischaracterize the arguments of those who argue against you by suggesting otherwise.

  3. 0
    Adrian Lopez says:

    "Without respect for the concept of society and justice (law), even if you change things to the way you think they should be, the foundations of society and justice corrode and become weak."

    There is a difference between respect and blind obedience. I think respect for society and justice requires men and women of good conscience to have a sense of ethics that goes beyond what the law says is right and wrong.

    Have you ever read that "ignorance of the law is no excuse"? Such a principle is a reflection of the fact that we are all supposed to keep a sense of ethical awareness, regardless of the letter of the law.

  4. 0
    Adrian Lopez says:

    "Arell’s not saying to always sit there and take it up the ass on the mere fact that it’s a law, he’s saying that you have to have a certain level of respect in following existing laws until they can be changed."

    Arell said nothing about a "certain level of respect". His or her exact words were that "until the law is changed, we have no right to pick and choose which to follow and which to disobey." That means you never get to break any law, no matter how unfair or unreasonable.

    "Not every law out there has its basis in morality.  Traffic laws, for example, are rooted in safety, not ethics."

    It is unethical to endanger another driver by running a red light. Of course, not all laws are there to enforce morality — some are simply a matter of policy — but the kinds of laws I’m thinking of are inextricably tied to our moral and ethical standards.

  5. 0
    Arell says:

    Unorganized, behind the scenes, civil disobedience is worthless.  It changes nothing, it just spits in the face of the Institution of Law.  If you’re going to participate in civil disobedience, then it has to be with the intent of improving things.  Not just trying to get away with whatever you can.  I’m not saying it’s wrong to disagree and rebel against particular unjust laws.  But the Rule of Law should be respected.  Without respect for the concept of society and justice (law), even if you change things to the way you think they should be, the foundations of society and justice corrode and become weak.  Then all you’re left with is "Might makes Right."

  6. 0
    Neo_DrKefka says:

    On which one? You mean lying to a guy for four years and then come to find out when he finally gets there after doing the right thing for four years? I mean put yourself in this guys shoes, all he knew was a lie and he put all his heart into it…what would you do?

    I mean if your heart wasn’t into it, you’d walk away. But truely, this is what women do. The younger ones who lie about their age, look what this caused….No one is blaming the woman, no one. It’s like she was the victium.

    Imagine dating a person for awhile and think about it what troll checks for an id lol yeah let’s say someone did and got a fake id and then come to find out three to six months later the person was not 19 but 15…imagine yourself in that person’s shoes….if you try to break it off she could possibly get vindictative and call the police on you or tell her parents and then call the police on you….this girl needs to take a trip to the middle east.

     

  7. 0
    Arell says:

    I admit you have a point.  "Punishment should fit the crime," and all that.  But empathy without action is worthless.  I find it unjust that Sex Offender labels are used on both young adults that have consentual sex, and deviants that rape their children.  But, I openly admit that I have done nothing to try and change this particular law.  My feelings, your feelings, are meaningless if you don’t take a stand and become proactive.

  8. 0
    Duffy says:

    Just to clarify since it sounds like a lot of people are using the term wrong, civil disobediance is purposefully ignoring a law without resorting to violence at any point or bringing about harm to another person. The phrase does not mean ignoring "civil" laws, it means disobeying in a civil and controlled manner. A riot for example is not an act of civil disobediance. A sit in is an act of civil disobediance.

    Revolts are usually what happens when civil disobediance fails.

  9. 0
    miracle2k says:

    As part of the social contract, I feel that laws should be followed.

    I think laws should be enforced. If someone decides not to follow a law they consider wrong, they should nevertheless be prosecuted when caught. I believe in process.

    But that doesn’t stop me from empathising with that person if I believe the punishment to be unjust. As a matter of fact, depending on the law in question, I may consider any punishment at all to be unjust, while still asking for process to be followed. Why do these things need to be black and white?

  10. 0
    Neo_DrKefka says:

    I feel bad for this guy, I bet this guy was only looking for love and was told something for years and years and then to find out he has been lied to most likely broke him. The guy waited four years, four long years.

    Problem is the girl isn’t getting in trouble. If she truely loves this guy she needs to wait four more years and keep faithful to this guy.

  11. 0
    Neo_DrKefka says:

    This is messed up seriously. This guy knew her for four years, met her after he was told she finally turned 18 and then he gets arrested and most likely will be charged with a federal crime for crossing state lines.

    This sounds like a good guy with a heart who did the right thing and waited, to be honest with you this is why women are stoned in third world countries

  12. 0
    Arell says:

    That’s the problem with people today.  Beyond signing an online petition, they have no clue what it takes to fight the system.  But I’m sure griping on forums and comments is a great first step.  /sarcasm  As much as I hate hippies, I regret missing out on the 60s and 70s.  At least people tried to change things for the better back then.

  13. 0
    Arell says:

    But they did something about it.  They didn’t just sneak around and hope to not get caught.

    I forget which one, but either Hobbes or Locke stated that it is the resposibility of the citizens to rise up against injustice.  Either by working through the system, or by revolt.  He was probably more hardline than necessary, as he seemed pretty keen on overthrowing governments if they got too uppity.  He doesn’t, however, suggest just ignoring the rules because you don’t like them.

  14. 0
    Arell says:

    And children being taken advantage of is something that should be ignored until it does end up in court?  Here’s a hint.  Nothing goes to court unless there’s a law against it.  If there was no AoC laws, then it would never go to court.

  15. 0
    Father Time says:

    Not only that but the U.S. was founded by people who were fed up with the current rule of law and staged a revolt, which is the ultimate form of civil disobediance (and against the law obviously).

    —————————————————-

    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

  16. 0
    ElfyEikal says:

    Cmon. the guy probably had a Genuine intent on having a relationship with the girl. and sides. if it was a Molesting case. the victim would be the 1st to let Authorities know (at age 14. a person would know what is right and what is wrong) and if the relationship is genuine. it could be that the parents are at a wrong. without even questioning their daughter. they called authorities. well. same thing happened to me. at least i am not molesting the person. genuinely wanted to be in a relationship.

    Vitality Before Violence

  17. 0
    hayabusa75 says:

    Civil disobedience is one way of working to change a bad law.  Arell’s not saying to always sit there and take it up the ass on the mere fact that it’s a law, he’s saying that you have to have a certain level of respect in following existing laws until they can be changed.

    "Breaking the law is wrong not because you’re breaking the law, but because the law prohibits behavior that is considered unethical. If it turns out that what you’re doing is not unethical, a law that criminalizes such behavior is hopelessly broken."

    Not every law out there has its basis in morality.  Traffic laws, for example, are rooted in safety, not ethics. 

    "There is no sin except stupidity." – Oscar Wilde

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    Afirejar says:

    Maybe a 19 year old sleeping with his 17 year old girlfriend doesn’t deserve to get labeled the same way as a child rapist.  Maybe there shouldn’t be any law against a 19 and 17 year old pair at all.  But they do, and there is.  Either fix it, or whine about it.

    How do you think things are going to chance? Fairies?

  19. 0
    Adrian Lopez says:

    "As part of the social contract, I feel that laws should be followed.  If a law is unjust, work to change it, don’t sit around and merely complain about it. But until the law is changed, we have no right to pick and choose which to follow and which to disobey.  This would lead to anarchy."

    With all due respect, that is just plain ridiculous.

    Where do you think the gay rights movement came from, if not from civil disobedience? What led to the repeal of phrohibition on alcohol, if not for civil disobedience? Given your words above, you seem like the kind of person who would tell a black man in the early 60’s that he shouldn’t be drinking from the "whites only" fountain, because it’s the law.

    Breaking the law is wrong not because you’re breaking the law, but because the law prohibits behavior that is considered unethical. If it turns out that what you’re doing is not unethical, a law that criminalizes such behavior is hopelessly broken.

  20. 0
    Adrian Lopez says:

    "It reads more that there are many dangers and that young teens just aren’t equipped (on average) to make proper judgements in a relationship with an adult."

    It didn’t read that way to me.

    "Simply put, there are a lot of potential negatives around a child-to-adult relationship, and not just physical.  Emotional manipulation, implied dominance, etc."

    Potential negatives… as in elements not necessarily present.

  21. 0
    Zero Beat says:

    Though she shouldn’t have lied about her age four years ago, when he found out that she was still underage, he should have turned around and drove away.  If you’re lied to from the start, there’s no chance of a relationship.

     

    "That’s not ironic. That’s justice."

  22. 0
    Adrian Lopez says:

    Who says we should "go around testing everyone’s maturity levels"? You don’t need to "test everyone" to determine in court whether a particular minor was taken advantage of.

  23. 0
    Neeneko says:

    On a short cycle yes, it does come and go, but over the longer cycle this is still a fairly modern ‘moral panic’.  It was originally associated with the various gay movements maybe about 20 years ago, but after the 80s and the public shift away from the gay==pedophile meme the media started shifting the focus to other groups (gamers, teachers, poly).

    There is a bit of a genie bottle effect going on.  30 years ago things like child molestation were swept under the rug.  The gay focus brought it to the front but with a catch, the vast majority of child molestation cases are hetrosexual and within the family.   Taking focus away has proven difficult so people have been lashing around trying to find another place to focus the moral outrage away from themselves.

  24. 0
    Arell says:

    Also, Harmful to Minors talks about sex between young teens and adults, but ultimately dodges around making any conclusions.  It reads more that there are many dangers and that young teens just aren’t equipped (on average) to make proper judgements in a relationship with an adult, but like I’ve already said, Judith Levine also hems and haws about the concept of "person-to-person" differences.  One 14 year old might be mature enough to be having sex with with a much older adult, while another isn’t.  Levine never says, "open season on young teens!"  Simply put, there are a lot of potential negatives around a child-to-adult relationship, and not just physical.  Emotional manipulation, implied dominance, etc.

    What she does talk about with more certainty, is sex between teens of relative age.  Like, a few years apart.  She comments that trying to keep teens away from sex entirely can possibly be detrimental to their sexual development.  She even suggests that "some" pedophiles are created due to a sexual immaturity that was never resolved during their pubecent years (something I’ve read in my own research).  On this subject, I fully agree.  I think that teens should be allowed to explore their sexuality with each other.  This, of course, would require more proactive sexual education, as well as parental involvement, to teach them the dangers.  Because most teens are idiots, and left to their own devices would lead to unprecidented teen pregnancy and std spreads like you’d see in a third-world country.

    So, teens having sex with teens?  I agree with Levine.  Teens having sex with adults?  Not so clear an answer.  And until there is, I agree with other psychologists that there should be an age barrier.  (While not trying to discredit her works, Levine is not a PhD or anything.  She’s just a very smart activist and feminist, that possibly picked and chose the research that backed up her own opinions.  Something we gamepolitics readers are familiar with, people with agendas choosing research that backs them up.  But I’m saying that I mostly agree with Levine’s agenda.)

  25. 0
    Arell says:

    No, I just firmly believe in the "social contract."  The philosophy of societies, the dichotomy of "rights" and "responsibilities."  Read up on Thomas Hobbes and John Locke, it’s very interesting.

    As part of the social contract, I feel that laws should be followed.  If a law is unjust, work to change it, don’t sit around and merely complain about it.  But until the law is changed, we have no right to pick and choose which to follow and which to disobey.  This would lead to anarchy.

    Maybe a 19 year old sleeping with his 17 year old girlfriend doesn’t deserve to get labeled the same way as a child rapist.  Maybe there shouldn’t be any law against a 19 and 17 year old pair at all.  But they do, and there is.  Either fix it, or whine about it.

  26. 0
    Arell says:

    Like I said, you cannot go around testing everyone’s maturity levels.  If you’re going to have a law, then you have to pick a number.  I picked 5, if only because that would put someone at age 20 in range.  I see 21 as an "average" milestone in human development.  And no, not based on drinking age.  But on mental levels.

  27. 0
    miracle2k says:

    Like, I don’t think smoking weed is all that bad, but since there’s a law against it, I have no sympathy if someone gets busted for using or dealing.  Level of punishment is irrelevant to me.  Don’t like the punishment? Lobby against it, and in the meantime, keep it in your pants.

    I don’t get that. Let’s see:

    1) You personally are convinced that X "is not all that bad".

    2) The rest of society believes that X is really, really bad and institutes legislation.

    3) Someone breaks that law and gets a draconian punishment.

    4) You don’t care.

    That sounds a lot like your placing the law above your personal believes, of your idea of right and wrong. Frankly, I think that’s a pretty terrible attitude.

  28. 0
    Adrian Lopez says:

    "I generally believe that that AoC should probably be 15, and only then when the partner is no more than than 5 years older."

    I love it when people attempt to reduce these kinds of problems to a matter of arithmetic. It makes no sense whatsoever, but people think that by assigning numbers to the problem they’re somehow making an objective determination. All else being the same, I fail to see what difference it makes whether the partner is 6 years older instead of 5.

    Seriously… read the book I linked to in my previous post, because I don’t think you really know what you’re talking about.

  29. 0
    Arell says:

    It’s not really a new fad.  It been a part of the news for many decades.  It comes in cycles, though, just as all crime reporting does.  As one case is reported, others invariably follow.  It seems like a wave of resurgance of a particular crime, but only if you haven’t paying attention.  They will get bored with it, though, and move on to something else.  Then in a year or so, they’ll bring it up again.  I don’t see that as sensationalist.

  30. 0
    Arell says:

    I don’t mind that he’ll be registered to be a sex offender, because he knew exactly what he was doing.  There’s no question that it’s illegal, not a single State has a Age of Consent lower than 16, and nobody who managed to get through high school wouldn’t know that (not that they teach it, it’s just something every hormonally charged teen knows).  But he went ahead with it anyway.  I have no sympathy for people that intentionally break the law.  Like, I don’t think smoking weed is all that bad, but since there’s a law against it, I have no sympathy if someone gets busted for using or dealing.  Level of punishment is irrelevant to me.  Don’t like the punishment?  Lobby against it, and in the meantime, keep it in your pants.

    From what I understand of the developing mind, and from my own experiences growing up a teen, I generally believe that that AoC should probably be 15, and only then when the partner is no more than than 5 years older (once you hit 18, go nuts with any other consenting adult you want).  I know a lot of people think that a couple years is abitrary, but it’s really not.  For adults, the difference between 23 and 25 is nothing.  Hell, 20 to 30 is hardly anything.  Our neurological development peaks at about 22-25.  But the difference in mental capabilities between a 13 year old and a 15 year old, for example, is considerable.  For a 14 year old, it’d probably be arguable on a person-to-person basis, whether or not they’re mature enough to start making decisions about sex wth others.  But you can’t go around testing everyone on a personal level.  That’s why they come up with an Age of Consent and apply it to everyone.  I would agree that an 18 AoC is a bit draconian.  But 14 is too young for someone to have an adult partner.  It might be different if the partner was of the same relative age, however, but again, it’s arguable on a person to person basis.

  31. 0
    Neeneko says:

    I disagree.

    I did not intend to say that they should not report on things, but that which things that get reported on is an explict decision and is usually driven by sensationalism.  Good or bad.

    In cases like this though, I do consider it unmitigated sensationalist garbage.  Two young people who have known eachother for years have sex.  It is something that happens in every grade, every high school, every college around the country all the time but it has become a bit of a fad to condem it lately.

  32. 0
    ZacharyMiner says:

    I’m with some others who have posted here – leetspeak and poor typing aside, how long can a 10 year-old (4th grader) pretend to be 14 without someone noticing? I’m calling shenanigans on that part of the story.

    But, here’s the kicker – they met in person … and then started having a physical relationship two months later? So, the dude had two months to think to himself, "I’m a 23 year-old and I’m thinking of having sex with someone who is 14." What kind of person looks at that situation and then says, "sure, why the hell not?" I can see a young person being confused by the situation, thinking they’re in love, thinking that they can handle it … but the older person has the context necessary to realize that this is a bad situation.

    In conclusion – when you’re in a relationship where you’ve realized that your partner has been lying to you for years about their age, and you have to hide your relationship from that person’s parents for that very reason, those are some pretty clear signs that you ought to take a closer look at what you’re doing, and maybe make some different decisions.

  33. 0
    Neeneko says:

    There are things that are illegal, there are things that are unethical. 

    Sensationalism is deciding which of the large number of technically (and often arbitrarily) illegal acts each day get reported and which have ethical wieght attached to them.

  34. 0
    Neeneko says:

    Kids have been maturing faster (result of high desnity poplations, anti-incest mechanisms shut off and minors reach sexualy maturity faster when there is a wide pool of potential mates around) for a while now, but as they do so american sociaty is trying to push the age of innocences further and further.

  35. 0
    GoodRobotUs says:

    People need to realise that WoW or any other MMO is still, at its heart, a very glorified interactive chat room, and apply exactly the same rules to their children as they would with things like Facebook, IRC etc, and to teach their children internet awareness as soon as they start letting their child use the Internet.

     

    That said, I ‘m glad the mother was on the ball enough to catch up to what was going on and deal with it.

     

  36. 0
    miracle2k says:

    What’s with all the "sensationalist" comments?  A report is a report.  A crime is a crime.  How is it sensationalist to report it?

    If nothing else, the article’s title refers to "molestation", which is at minimum grossly misleading, and arguable outright wrong. It’s called statutory rape. As a matter of fact, non of the formal charges include any kind of molestation.

    …so she knew it was wrong… But the guy’s guilt is undeniable.

    You mean to say, she knew it was illegal, and that#s it’s undeniable that he broke the law. Beyond that it is a matter of opinion.

    I don’t actually have a problem with what I did being illegal. A 9 year age difference to someone who may or may not have finished puberty doesn’t have to be sanctioned by law.

    I do have my doubts though that the US legal system will come up with an appropriate sentence (just look at the number of different changes they were apparently able so slap on him). The fact that you seem convinced that it’s fair that he likely has to register as a sex offender doesn’t reassure me.

  37. 0
    Adrian Lopez says:

    "What’s with all the ‘sensationalist’ comments?"

    In my case, at least, I am referring to the broader issue of the media’s love affair with the perceived and probably unfounded dangers of the Internet.

    "I don’t care if she was in love or whatever, 14 is too young for a sexual relationship, especially one where there are so many social obstacles.  She probably knew she had to hide it, so she knew it was wrong.  Then again, it’s hard to see the negative consequences of something that seems good, when you’re that young and naive.

    Also, with my background in developmental psychology, I can say that rarely is a child in control of the sexuality when their partner is much older than them.  It really is taking advantage of their raging hormones, "consent" is not enough to make it right."

    Too much "common wisdom" in the above statements. Perhaps you need to educate yourself a bit further? Read:

    Harmful to Minors.

  38. 0
    Wolvenmoon says:

    hey, here’s a good idea!

    Ban 14 year olds and under from playing online games. It’d do WONDERS for the noob/1337speak BS.

    (In case someone decides to take this post seriously, alt+F4 followed by peeing in your CD-rom drive will make your monitor into a portal into a magical land where unicorns fart butterflies.)

  39. 0
    Arell says:

    What’s with all the "sensationalist" comments?  A report is a report.  A crime is a crime.  How is it sensationalist to report it?  Even from our perspective, they didn’t play up the "anti-gaming" angle, they just explained how they met.

    The girl’s responsibility is… debatable… in this instance.  I personally don’t trust most 14 year olds to make good decisons.  I don’t care if she was in love or whatever, 14 is too young for a sexual relationship, especially one where there are so many social obstacles.  She probably knew she had to hide it, so she knew it was wrong.  Then again, it’s hard to see the negative consequences of something that seems good, when you’re that young and naive.  But the guy’s guilt is undeniable.  23 and still chose to have sex with a 14 year old?  Not in a single State in the US is that acceptable by law.  It was on him to say NO, so I hope he enjoys his status as a "Sex Offender" (which can really screw up your life depending on which State you’re in).  Also, with my background in developmental psychology, I can say that rarely is a child in control of the sexuality when their partner is much older than them.  It really is taking advantage of their raging hormones, "consent" is not enough to make it right.

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    miracle2k says:

    On a related note, while reading up on this I just discovered, that I’m not allowed to look at porn if the girl in it looks 16, but I’m free to have sex with a girl that actually is 16.

    You must be from Germany.

  41. 0
    JohnMidnight says:

    *shakes head* Both people should be strung up.

    Why? If hes going to get strung up for not waiting, she should to.
    Its called Equal Opportunity Stringing.

  42. 0
    questionmark1987 says:

    I had a 3 year relationship starting when I was 16 with someone who was older. It was a great relationship but ended because I made some bad decisions and hurt the other person.

    10 is a little young, 14 a little better, but if the guy was only a few years older and the girl was 14 when they actually met (or older) there’s a good chance it wasn’t some kind of sick pervert and a good chance she enjoyed the relationship and chose it of her own volition.

    Parents need to watch thier kids online more closely and pay attention, they also need to realize that little timmy and little susan are their own people and might actually be responsible for their own actions as well.

  43. 0
    Afirejar says:

    Kids grow up fast, so I’m not going to judge someone based on some sensationalist news report. In my country, this might even be legal. ("Might" not because I’m uncertain about the law, but because that depends on the details of the case, which we don’t have.)

    On a related note, while reading up on this I just discovered, that I’m not allowed to look at porn if the girl in it looks 16, but I’m free to have sex with a girl that actually is 16.

  44. 0
    hayabusa75 says:

    "So because other people do it, makes it fine?"

    Who said that?  I was trying to make the point that hardly anyone does that anymore.

    "That’s really poor logic right there, and there are plenty of reasons to wait for marriage. First, waiting for marriage decreases your chance of getting a STD."

    So do contraceptives, and I can give you plenty of reasons to NOT wait.  See below.

    "In such a relationship, both parties tend to be honest with one another. Second, there’s a moral reason for not doing so. It is also a good exercise in self-control and discipline, something people really could use more of, in my opinion."

    What moral reason?  Keeping oneself pure?  How about keeping oneself repressed, instead?  Or feeling inadequate and unconfident?  Sex is part of growing up and learning about yourself, and becoming comfortable with who you are.  Two people who wait for marraige run the risk of invariably wondering if they made the right choice since they have relatively little experiences to compare their current relationship to.  You know that whole "sowing your wild oats" thing?  There’s a lot of truth to that, and it doesn’t just apply to guys.  And you can practice self-control by being responsible and selective in who you pair up with, and always using protection.

    "Oh yeah, and if pregnacy DOES occur – guess what? A married couple is more prepared for going through the pregnacy than a couple involving 23 years-old man and a 14 years-old girl would ever be."

    Can’t argue with that.  But I thought we were debating the topic in general, not the situation featured in the article.  I will say though, that being married doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll be more prepared than a couple that isn’t.  There are many other factors that determine one’s readiness to be a parent.

    "There is no sin except stupidity." – Oscar Wilde

  45. 0
    Soga says:

    So because other people do it, makes it fine?

    That’s really poor logic right there, and there are plenty of reasons to wait for marriage. First, waiting for marriage decreases your chance of getting a STD. In such a relationship, both parties tend to be honest with one another. Second, there’s a moral reason for not doing so. It is also a good exercise in self-control and discipline, something people really could use more of, in my opinion.

    Oh yeah, and if pregnacy DOES occur – guess what? A married couple is more prepared for going through the pregnacy than a couple involving 23 years-old man and a 14 years-old girl would ever be.

  46. 0
    hayabusa75 says:

    Who the hell waits for marraige anymore?  Second, I think your radio host was just making the point that he digs Miley Cyrus.  Third, I knew plenty of girls in high school with big ol’ hooters.

    Just meet ’em at college like I did, and at the bars like I do now.  Risk factor of hooking up with a minor is near zero.

    "There is no sin except stupidity." – Oscar Wilde

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    DeepThorn says:

    Seconded…  If you want a no fail situation, wait for marriage, because by then you meet the parents who will let the cat out of the bag if nothing else…  This guy already knew though…  Still, he may have anti-social psychological issues where he doesn’t interact with people much, which in that case it is still wrong, but more so a psychological problem than a, you are straight up a dirty nasty dirt bag issue.

    Either way, it is gross as hell, though I have friends that say, if there is grass on the field play ball.  Not really a mantra I would even think anyone should live by.  What this guy did was illegal, he knew it was illegal, and should pay a price for breaking the law.  After psychological examination, the punishment should be adjusted in relation to the findings, but still punishment is required even with a psychological problem.  There just is no excuse to taking advantage of a child, even if they are asking for it, or are Miley Cyrus. (Which a local radio host has admitted he would go to jail for that…  sad…  I would think that would hurt some people’s careers…)

    Always card, and even at that, meet the parents if you have to if there is any question at all.  If you like girls with flat chest, definitely meet the parents first, at least girls with big chests are more likely to be older.

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    ZippyDSMlee says:

    Not the point, it can look liek a adult but is not an adult so card…always….

     


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    Michael Brooks says:

    This is kind of what I was going to say. The guy isn’t a pedophile. He thought the chick was 18 when he went to meet her. Not excusing the crime, but it isn’t as bad as the predators we’ve been hearing about lately on GP.

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    Bennett Beeny says:

    "Better question: what are the parents of ten-year-old WoW players doing that they don’t notice their children forming relationships with people online? "

    Yeah, that’s the REAL issue here.  But as usual the media and the powers-that-be will grab hold of the end of the stick that sells most newspapers or that gets the most votes – and usually that’s the wrong end of the stick, and we’ll hear about how we need crackdowns on gaming and more government intervention into teenagers’ lives.

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    Neeneko says:

    Considering such age gap relationship are common I would have to agree this is nothing but sensationalism.

    14 year old girl with 23 year old guy?  When I was in high school you couldn’t throw a brick without hitting at least one or two such relationships and when I was in college the same applied.

    This wasn’t ‘sick’ or ‘disgusting’ until very reciently.  Go back even 10 years and no one cared unless you were gay.

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    BrandonL337 says:

    What the fuck are you on?

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    Adrian Lopez says:

    If anything, this suggests the guy wasn’t out to molest a teenager, but was genuinely in love with her. Idiot or not, it’s easier for you to say he should reject her than it is for the guy who’s been carrying a torch for this girl for the past 4 years. The girl he set out to meet is still the same person; it’s just that she’s younger than he thought she was.

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    E. Zachary Knight says:

    So he met her when he was 19. He thought she was 14 then. 4 years later, he turns 23, he thinks she is 18 now. Says to himself, "She is old enough to have a relationship with now." Goes to meet her. Finds out she is just now 14 and says "Screw it. Let’s date anyway."

    Yeah, he is an idiot.

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    Valdearg says:

    You’d be surprised, depending on the general intellegence of the child in question. When I was 10, I could type faster and put together more coherent sentences than 50% of the current WoW Subscription Base.

    Those of us who play know damn well that a lot of people definitely didn’t pay attention during thier High School English/Grammar Courses. It could be that he just assumed that this girl was one of them. A 14 year old girl with the writing ability of a 10 year old, or vice versa, isn’t all that far fetched.

    I’m not defending the guy for making the decision to do what he did AFTER he learned for sure she was underage, but I can understand and relate to his actions up until that point.

     

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    mogbert says:

    I would like to point out that not all of these things end up bad. My best friend met his wife online gaming.

    However, you can’t believe everything someone states about themselves. Apparently, he did wait four years until she should have been 18.

    But he wins the stupid award for not being able to tell he is talking to a 10 year old and for not turning around when he found she was now only 14.

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    Baruch_S says:

    Better question: what are the parents of ten-year-old WoW players doing that they don’t notice their children forming relationships with people online? Seriously, if you’re going to let your kid play online games, at least make sure you keep an eye on who they play with. If they’re not even teenagers yet, maybe you should invest in a second copy of the game and play with your kid. Wow, responsible parenting is hard.

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    fyreblaize says:

     They met four years ago?  The game was released four years ago.  And if she’s 14 now, she was 10 at the time? What the hell are 10 year olds doing playing WoW at launch?

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