The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

February 11, 2009 -

In what is likely the first of many mainstream media outlets to weigh in on the topic, a blogger for The Atlantic seems convinced that the upcoming Resident Evil 5 contains racist imagery.

Ta-Nehisi Coates writes:

Seriously, I have no idea what the frack Capcom was thinking, when they went ahead with Resident Evil 5...

 

the whole "it's only a game" defense--which people always raise--is so lame... if we're going to allow video games to enter into the world of adults, if we don't want to looked upon as boys in the bodies of men, then we have to be serious... You can't ask people to at once respect the creativity of gaming, and then tell them they can't critique it.


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Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

Oh, I thought you were going to link to the miscarriage strip.

Would've made sense, as I think RE5 would cause less controversy if you were killing zombie-babies (as long as they weren't black zombie-babies.)

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Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

For some reason the idea of zombie baby killing controversies reminded me of this;

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/08/16/

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

Just to remind everyone of the wonderful insightful person who wrote on their omg a game has black zombie blogs ... it is ok to kill white zombies because they are white but killing black zombies is wrong because they are black.  Granted I was baffled by her logic and to this day I still am but there you go.

Personally I say we make the entire world happy again and just go back to where it was all whites in games, shows, movies, books, etc etc etc ... I mean that makes sense right then you don't have to worry about the antagonist being a bad repersentation because well they are white and we all know white people are evil and you wouldn't have to worry about the protagonist having any faults that would discredit them from being the pillar of perfection because well once again they are white and we all know white people are imperfect and eventually will give into their faults becoming the evil monsters in a later situation.  I mean obiviously no faults lie within any other group of people and obviously if a virus that changed humans into mindless killing machines would have no affect on the people of Africa frankly why we all haven't moved back to Africa (a land with no starvation, wars, virial out breaks, etc) is beyond me.

Obviously these comments are made in a sarcastic manner and Ta-Nehisi Coates needs to look in the mirror if he wants to see "lame."  

On a different note: I'm sorry but if you are a grown wo/man and you think using the word frak is somehow ingenious way to get around being in trouble for saying fuck you are an idiot.  The word means the same thing yet for some reason people think its more acceptable to paraphrase Lewis Black I guess you have to use the word poopy because shit makes them cry.

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

 

I choose not to see this game as “racist” but more of an “eye-opener” maybe. The vast majority of Africa and it’s people may be wonderful, beautiful and great but there is still some serious shit happening there that us “westerners” don’t know about or choose to ignore. Look at the genocide happening in places like Sudan, Rwanda, and Somalia. Not to mention the blood diamond trade and slavery that is still rampant (yes, there’s still slavery).
 
I guess some people would rather ignore this and rather cry racism instead of using this medium to open peoples eyes. That’s too bad, really.
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

In my personal experience as a Westerner, I have found that a lot of the coverage on Africa tends to be bleak, and no one seems to talk about the good part of Africa except for the Africans I've met in person.

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Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

Depends on where you get your information.  The media obviously focuses on the bleaker aspects, but they do that here too -- the paper today in Vancouver is all about gang violence, when in reality, the vast majority of this city is very safe.

When I was a kid, I used to read a lot of National Geographic magazines.... admittedly the picture that they paint of Africa is generally quite idealized with beautiful landscapes and fascinating cultures, but you said you wanted to hear about the good parts, and National Geographic is good for that.

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

An eye opener? I haven't noted the story about opening the player's eyes to the situation(s) in Africa at all. From what I've seen nothing is shown about the real conflicts that take place there, but rather the outbreak of a strand of BOW since they aren't pure zombies but something plagas based it seems with adapation qualities. I don't see how you can conclude this from that...

Of course I'll agree with your last statement, that most will just cry racism than looking at the medium through another light in the terms of attempting to open eyes, but I don't see the eye opener myself... did we play different demos? 

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

I should have said using the images as an eye opener as opposed to the game.

"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

In the discussion in the previous article about this contoversy the "lol it's game" argument was mostly ignored. Granted, there was some you're-a-racist, no-you're-a-racist going around, but there was debate about substance. Doesn't that show that we as a gamer community are capable of debate (at least on this board), even though a lot of people think that the RE4 is racist argument doesn't have any merit?

The blogger is wrong, not everybody keeps raising the "it's only a game" argument. It's true some use it, but if this was about movies or books, people would to that to. The gamer community is adult and can have adult arguments, this blogger just sees the people who can't handle discussion as representative of the community.

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

 

So if the Resident Evil 5 is racist.  How come the other game hasn't faced with racism charges also.

Call of Duty: World at war and Medal of Honor: Rising Sun

I think I recalled these 2 games haven't been criticized by Japanese.  I never even heard the Japanese whine and moan about the game (if you say the Japanese are stupid, I'll go after you).  I recalled a Japanese AV Idol played a English version of COD: World at war. (kotaku.com/5131652/this-japanese-adult-video-game-actress-knows-her-western-games)

Also I think I recalled MOH: Rising Sun earn EA Best Hit in Japan, even the game had a lot of killing Japanese soldier.

(www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/image/589715.html)

Also, how come I never heard any Arabs or Persians complaining about Prince of Persia series.  I never even one complaints about that game.

What about Call of Duty 4, I didn't hear any Russian or Arabs whine and moan about it.

oh, what about Final Fantasy, I didn't any religion bitchin and moanin when Sqauresoft decided to take biblical character like Bahamut, Shiva, and other creature incorporated into the game.

 

What do these have in comment??  IT'S JUST A GAME, LIVE WITH IT, OK. HAVE YOU EVER THINK ABOUT ANY OTHER GAME WHICH WOULD BE CONSIDERED RACIST OR DEEMED OFFENSIVE TO CERTAIN RELIGIOUS PERSON? 

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

Puhleeez, we already discussed this in the other thread, I'm not about to start this all over again. Read my post, srsly, it's about something else. And just for laughs, read my posts in the other thread to, then you can see what my problem with RE5 is (hint: it's not the fact that black people are the antagonists).

Why would I say Japanese are stupid (wouldn't that invalidate my entire argument)?

Bahamut and Shiva aren't biblical. Bahamut is from arabic myth (not religious canon) and Shiva is a Hindu Godess. And showing them is something else than whatever was discussed in the other thread.

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

well,

On the other thread, you were attacking Resident 5 so badly, you didn't even think about the other game that would have been deem racist or offensive.  How come on the other thread, you attack Resident 5 badly, if you said RE5 was racist, then what about other game that portray other ethnics in a certain way. 

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

I did mention Far Cry 2 a couple of times. I brought it up as an example of a game with black antagonists which didn't offend anyone's sensibilities.

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

I think that was due to the fact that there was a buttload of mercenaries (non black) in the game. 

Foaming at the mouth

Foaming at the mouth

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

RE5 has non-black enemies too. Doesn't make it better.

Maybe you should have that foaming looked at.

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

1. It's a video game set in Africa

2. The vast majority of Africans are dark-skinned

3. Thus, the antagonists are black.

4. As for the "that's so lame" comment, would you please offer a valid reason and not infantile drivel?

5. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to seriously type "infantile drivel."

 

"That's not ironic. That's justice."

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Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

 LOL, Rock on opportunity to type infantile drivel.  You sir/ma'am get a cookie.

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

"Later on, there's a cut-scene of a white blonde woman being dragged off, screaming, by black men. When you attempt to rescue her, she's been turned and must be killed"

"the white female character is a retuning charter from a past game, and a close friend of the male protagonists. She also serves a larger purpose with the antagonists plan along side the virus in Africa."

There's your answer about the blonde female in the trailer...

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Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

Since when is Jill Valentine blonde?  Oh shiiiiiiiiit.... umm, spoiler alert?

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Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

Hair dye?

Remember, though, that blonde is not only a hair color but a mental condition...

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Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

Considering the top she wore in Nemesis, explains a lot....

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Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

Oh boy, here we go again....

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Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

The internet: where adult discussions crash and burn, despite all preventions.

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Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

I think you completely hit the nail on the head.  No matter how well they start off some chump will come in and shoot their mouth off.

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Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

"if we're going to allow video games to enter into the world of adults, if we don't want to looked upon as boys in the bodies of men, then we have to be serious... You can't ask people to at once respect the creativity of gaming, and then tell them they can't critique it."

This person needs to learn definition of the word 'critique,' because this controversy simply doesn't fall under that category. There's critique and then there's full-out attacks.

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

The lessons this controversy will teach us:

white antagonists = acceptable

black antagonists = wrong

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

ahhh, double standards when will you cease to supprise no great outcry of racism with re4 but re5 attracts the outcry

if i'm ever in a situation where theres a zombie outbreak and i must defend myself (and i didnt piss myself and run or injure myself doing something panic induced stupid) and i had a weapon (like a gun of some kind) i don't care what the nationality, gender, or age of the zombie coming for me i will gun it down to continue living as long as i can (but i'd probably miss or injure myself)

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

The best part is the game's biggest antagonist is a white guy ;P

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

Oh no, surely that's the worst part, not only is the game saying all blacks are evil, but also they've got to be controlled by their white master!

 man this trying to look for controversial stuff on the minimum of facts thing is easy

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

If I am going to be anyone's master, I will pick a group worth being the master of.  Have you seen those crazy Nigerians?  No respect at all...  That is like having the unabomber, Pentecostals, Scientologist, JT or terrorist as a slave.  No thanks... 

With their crazy internet scams, telling 40 year old losers that they are hot women that need money for their photo shoot, but they will pay them back double. Plus having the men be a middle man for sending and receiving packages...

I'll take the non-psychopaths that actually might have some chance of caring about the world more than their own interest. (Which is hard to find anywhere.)

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Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

I wonder if anyone sending those emails could even point to Nigeria on a map, let alone been there. I mean they arn't scams that are still actually operated out of Nigeria... are they? I know they were about a decade ago but it's all gone mainstream now. Somehow I find that thought odder than the emails themselves, i mean if your running an Internet scam, you'd at least pretend to be in another country right?

Unless of course.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Br6dK5yZQk

Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

I believe that the statistic is around 50% of all 419 scams are from Nigeria.  Aparently the culture values that sort of thing

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Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

I got one of those emails the other day. They do make me laugh, especially after finding this site: http://www.419eater.com/

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Re: The Atlantic Weighs in on RE5 Racism Controversy

They are coming from everywhere now really...  crazy SOBs with Chris Hansen on their tales, haha.

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