British MP Keith Vaz Criticizes Japanese Rape Game’s Availability on Amazon

Labour MP Keith Vaz has vowed to raise in Parliament the availability of Rapeplay, a Japanese PC game. The hentai title is available on from Hentaiguy, an Amazon re-seller apparently based in New York City.

The Belfast Telegraph reports that the game features graphic depictions of sexual assaults on women and girls.

Contacted by the newspaper, Vaz, a longtime critic of the video game industry, said:

It is intolerable that anyone would purchase a game that simulates the criminal offence of rape. To know that this widely available through a major online retailer is utterly shocking, I do not see how this can be allowed. I will be raising this matter in Parliament and hope that action is taken to prevent the game from being sold.

Vaz also expressed a measure of vindication after being widely criticized last year for saying in Parliament that rape was a feature of some games.

The unrated game, apparently intended for the Japanese market only, is listed by the Amazon re-seller as "used – like new" and retails for $19.99. Only two copies are listed as available.

GP: While we find this game appalling, it is not a product of the U.S. or British video game industry. It is an import which is apparently only available through a single re-seller who specializes in the hentai market. We expect that Amazon will take the appropriate steps to correct the situation. 

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    Joran says:

    Many times, I am extremely thankful we have the First Amendment here in the United States.  It does allow idiots and bigots to spew their hatred, but it also means that the speech that I value is also not banned.

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    JC says:

    The UK recently did something similar already with BDSM already. They’ll probably do something similar to rape among other forms of pornography as well. It is now illegal to watch, get aroused by or participate in BDSM.

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    Nekowolf says:

    You are right on your last statement, freedom of speech is, and should never be, considered as black and white. And, I do see a lot of what you say, and I hate it.

    Believe it or not, I am not a capitalist. I am an American socialist. A democratic socialist. But I hear people screaming, "IT’S COMMUNISM!!1!" in this irrational notion that apparently I want to strip away everyone’s freedoms, and all this other shit.

    Anyway…to me, take your example of the KKK. I often express that freedom of speech goes both ways. I think the KKK actually does have the right of expression, as long as, they do not do anything illegal such as property damage, or killings, or beatings, or killings. Or killings. But that means, we also have the same right, to walk up to the whole lot of them, and say, "Fuck y’all" and flip them off. Or anything else we want to say back at them. And actually, I’m going to say here, what I said at another place I go to, where there is a similar argument.

    I do not support censorship at all. And I believe you have the right, to say whatever you want. But, I also believe in taste. For me, to walk up into a KKK rally, and do that, would be within poor taste, and I think, reflect badly on me. With the power of free speech, you must also exercise two other things; the power of responsibility, and the power of intelligence.

    Basically, you can go around saying all you want, but it doesn’t make you any less of an asshole. And, while you may have the right to speak whatever you wish, that still doesn’t mean you can get way with anything you want. If you issue a bomb threat, yes, you should be prosecuted in court for it.

    And don’t get me wrong. I do not see America as superior to any other countries. In fact, I often criticize America. Not because I hate it, be because it could be better. To think we have some kind of moral superiority is just completely ridiculous. And I can definitely see why, in those two cases, those men were barred. Yes, I don’t necessarily agree to it, but honestly, I do not criticize them for it either. It’s their country, not mine. And while I may not agree to everything, nevertheless, I wouldn’t go around screaming how they hate freedom, either.

    I know it may sound black and white, but that is honestly not my intention. But perhaps I’m definining it differently.

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    TBoneTony says:

    I agree with you there,

    nothing is a simple black or white issue.

    Sorry if I should talk about rape here, but I have had a friend who was raped and it was hard being there though her ups and downs even though I was only an online friend.

    She had no one else to go to and I was only keeping her company on my email with her chatting and going though her emotions.

    Sometimes she would not even play her favorite games like Final Fantasy 7 or Legend of Zelda because the main character was blonde, the same color of hair that the person who raped her had.

    She would also not play Resident Evil because that was the same game she was playing on the day before she got raped.

    It took her something like 3 months before she was able to play her favorite games again,

    It was hard being her only friend at the time, but she imporoved to a point where even though she still has nighmares every now and then, she is still able to continue on with her life and back to playing her favorite games without being reminded of the incident.

    now THAT takes allot of courage.

    instead of saying that who ever made this game was a horribe person, perhaps we should think about how we would make a game using the theme of rape and how to develop it.

    If you look closely at the storyline, no matter what you do you have to get your own way or else be killed or something. Not a nice game to play, but maybe because the developers wanted for people to have a serious think about the topic of rape and think about the social implications of such an act.

    all I am saying is that we have to think in the minds of the developer and ask ourselves, are they really promoting violence against women? Or are they trying to convey a highly controversial message that is too hard to talk about in society?

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    TBoneTony says:

    Lets hope that a few of the people in parliament have done their homework.

    Because reading here on GP, most of us certainly have done our homework on AO games and how they are restricted except from being sold online for limited ammounts.

    But sadly we are not the ones in power (because some people think of us as nothing but dicks) who can completely 1-up Keith Vass who is just an asshole who just wants to shit on everyone who is a gamer.

    Sorry for my language, but I think you get what I am talking about here.

    You know, from Team America, the world is full of dicks, pussies and assholes.

    And Keith Vass is trying to scare the Pussies who can’t parent their own kids.

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    Nekowolf says:

    Well, in my opinion, I don’t think there should be a middle ground between the two. That, it should be all or nothing. Take things that are considered to be really extreme. It doesn’t matter what, whatever comes to your mind. See, while I may not enjoy it, even find it incredibly strange, even disgusting, I would still support it as long as no other laws are broken (obscenity aside, of course), such as nonconcentuality, actual rape, um, hold on, I just had it in mind and now I lost it…oh, or say something like, be it REALLY extreme, murder. I mean, even if it was something like necrophiliac porn, I’d support it as a right (my thinking her, is just take an actress and have her try to remain really still, or replace her with a dummy, or whatever, as long as it’s not an actual dead person).

    I mean, I can certainly understand where you are coming from. Yeah, I definitely don’t blame you for your opinion on it.

    I find it’s because, society tends to be too biased, too focused on a set morality of culture or society, where tolerance for anyone outside of that can be very difficult. Also, I’m REALLY liberal. My idea is, society, maybe not accept, but rather, tolerate, all deviances, unless it brings actual harm to others. That is when, the line should be drawn, is when there is actual harm on another person who did not agree to that harm in the first place.

    Even if society as a whole doesn’t think something is "okay," it shouldn’t matter. As long as, well, as I just said, it doesn’t bring nonconcentual harm to another, unintentional or otherwise.

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    Arell says:

    Yeah, it’s just that I am having two of my principles clash, and I cannot decide which should take priority.  My love of Free Speech, or my hatred of the glorification of sex crimes?  That is why I’m unable to take a side, but no matter which I chose, I’d be a hypocrite.

    On the issue of the "will of majority," I believe that sometimes it trumps other freedoms.  Sometimes it’s good, and sometimes it’s bad.  Sometimes the courts have to step in and go agianst the majority, and sometimes the courts can side with them.  For example, I would have bet a few months ago that the majority believed that the issue of gay marriage was also an issue of gay rights.  Especially in a liberal State like California.  Yet, they banned gay marriage when the people went to the polls.  Interestingly, many of those who voted against gay marriage claim they approve of gay rights.  But they take the stance that marriage is a religious institution, and the church has every right to say that it is between a man and a woman.  Now it will go to the courts.  Is the majority right to say no?  Is it a civil issue, or a religious one?

    (That was just an example, I’m not actually looking to start that debate, nor am I stating my own stance.)

    But that leads into the issue of Free Speech.  During the campaign, there were several ads that you could call sensationalist and fear-mongering, in order to drum up more support for the ban.  These ads caused a great deal of outrage and condemnation for being unfair or unjust.  Yet, those ads are protected free speech.  They couldn’t be stopped, and even as they lied, people would protect their right to lie and exagerate.

    Americans are… extremists, to the rest of the world.  We are "cultural idealogues" (as opposed to religious idealogues, though we have some of that, too), indoctrinated from birth with the sactity of the three pillars of absolution.  Democracy, Capitalism, and The Bill of Rights (where freedom of speech comes from).  These are unquestionable truths, truths that most of us never shake.  Even when we don’t study the alternatives, we have a collection of sound bites that perfectly rationalize our beliefs.  Most of us undeniably fear socialism without understanding it or recognizing that many socialist nations work just fine.  We don’t trust that there are many Monarchies and Theocracies around the world where the people are happy and treated fairly.  And we believe that if a KKK rally were to be blocked, we’d all be enslaved by a Police State in less than a year.

    The UK doesn’t have a Constitutional right to Free Speech, but it is mostly upheld.  They view it on a case by case basis.  In fact, there is an issue just this morning about freedom of expression in the Uk.  A filmmaker is being prevented from entering the country to speak on his views from his movie.  He believes that Islam is a facist and violent religion, and because of this there is some question as to whether he poses a threat to public security and safety.  They are currently debating whether or not to let him in, but most seem to be siding with allowing him enter.  However, just a few years ago, a liberal Islamist cleric was also blocked from entering the UK.  This was a man who advocated civl rights and equality for women.  But he also saw validity in suicide bombers being used by "freedom fighters" against superior forces.  Because of this, the majority felt he was a threat to public security.

    Most Americans here would say that both men should have the right to have their say.  But like I said, Americans are idealogues when it comes to free speech.  They adamantly believe in their moral superiority over other nations like the UK.

    I say all this to pose a critical thinking exercise.  Perhaps Free Speech is not an absolute.  That it is not a Black and White issue.

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    TBoneTony says:

    I think it was Keith Vass who was trying to prove anything that Videogames have got rape in them.

    To me, the Japanese Hentai market are completely in another castle when it comes to the marketing and selling videogames.

    The Japanese Hentai market is only sold commercially in Japan in the Otaku districts, and nothing to do with the mainstreem videogame industry.

    But what Mr Vass has no understanding of, is that can have products from various people who sell stuff they get from Japan to Otakus around the world so THEY can get a little taste of Japan from their online shopping market.

    This is perfectly ok, because while all the Hentai games are kept off the Mainstreem stores, the Hentai games only being sold online require a person to give them the number of their creddit card or debbit card, that would usually be the responsibility of the parent not allowing their kids to shop online until they are at least 18 when they are old enough to shop online for themselves.

    It all comes down to personal responsibility as a parent. But I don’t think there is much around from what I have seen from different parents who conplain about their kids and not able to keep up with them and want the government to control everything that they do.

    Also you have to give the right for an adult to chose what he or she does in their online life, virtual life, TV life and even in the real world.

    Crimes you get punished for, should be better off being for what someone does in the real world, like real rape and real murder.

    What we all do in a Videogame or watch on TV should not really apply because we are all living out our fantasies, or else it would be like being arrested because of a dirty dream an individual has, and I don’t think that we all are clean in our dirty dreams because these are personal. Same with the games we play.

    I think that Keith Vass might have had this on his plate for a while and finally started to say something about a game when he is desperate, but the only thing is that Hentai Games are NOT PART OF THE VIDEOGAME INDUSTRY and also Japanese Companies like Nintendo and SONY even SEGA back in their day would NEVER sell anything on their consoles with Hentai content.

    We all know this at GP, lits just hope that the UK Government has got better people to explain about this because I am sure that Keith Vass has no understanding and he will try to smear the Videogame Industry out of this.

    Let’s just hope this does not turn into a legal battle against Politicians and the Industry, this is NOT what they needed.

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    mogbert says:

    I was afraid of when this would start to happen. The thing is, this isn’t even remotely a smalll market or an unusual game over there. I’ve been studying Japanese and running around their web. There are whole sites like Amazon that sell these things via digital download. Most of the "studios" are one or two people that throw something together, and there are usually about five or six different webpages that they sell their stuff from in that form. There is no oversight, no procedure to go through. Rape isn’t as taboo a subject over there as it is in other parts of the world. That doesn’t make it right, and it is likely a lot bigger problem because of that, but that doesn’t change the fact. They have a whole genre of movies based around it. There really isn’t that big a step between live action movies staring dozens of people (their adult industry generally has larger budgets then ours) and two people, one who can draw and one who can program, putting out something.

    I do beleive that this is a larger production and not a two person project, though. However, you are talking about regulating something, in another country, that isn’t against their laws and isn’t taboo in their culture. You who complain about the like of JT pushing their morality on you are trying to push your morality on others. The difference? This time it’s something YOU find distasteful. This position is quite hypocritical.

    As far as it selling on Amazon, please keep in mind it isn’t being sold BY Amazon. Amazon has it’s own EBay like process. That is the button where it says "Buy Used and New" or something like that. It was someone (or two seperate people) imported it, or went over then and bought it, then came back over and put it up for sale. There is a good chance that that violates obscenity laws in our country, and therefore the people selling them (if they reside in our country) should be fined or whatever the law states. The same for the U.K. However, I don’t believe that we have the authority to tell the citizens of Japan that they aren’t allowed to either view or create this subject (or any of the countless worse things they have over there).

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    GoodRobotUs says:

    I am from the UK, but I’ll try address your concerns anyway.

    I’m not certain this would pass part 3 of the Miller Test to be honest, whilst yes, it contains elements that require artistic skill to create, the third article of the Miller Test specifically states the article ‘taken as a whole’, not the elements within it, and I personally wouldn’t want to debate that in court, it could go either way.

    Whilst I agree that not enough is being done to represent the rights of the gaming industry in either Government, I’m not sure I could defend this, it’d be like trying to defend snuff Videos in a way, even if the people are not ‘real’ as such.

    I do understand where people are coming from with regards to Freedom of Speech, but, at least to my way of thinking, defending the Industry means ensuring it has exactly the same rights as any other Media format. A Video game with a rape scene in it wouldn’t actually annoy me any more than a movie with a rape scene in it, as long as that scene was required to present the story involved, however, defending a game that was designed purely to depict rape would be the same, to me, as defending a video that contained nothing but rape scenes, from a personal level, I’d find that very hard to do.

    Now, don’t get me wrong, I like handcuffs and feathers as much as the next red-blooded guy, if it’s consentual, I’m willing to live and let live, and yes, it could be argued that things like the events in GTA are not consentual acts, but then, Indiana Jones shooting a sword-wielding assassin wasn’t consentual either, but I think theres a difference in societies reaction to violence, which has been with us in the form of the ‘Hero’ or even the ‘Anti-Hero’ and the act of Rape, which, whilst having been around for just as long, would be a lot harder to convince society in general as being ‘ok’ to depict in such an indelicate and gratuitous manner.

    It’s a question of finding the median between the two sides, Freedom of Speech and Acceptance by Society. It’s not perfect, and it probably never will be, but we are far more likely to be accepted if we admit that there are two sides to the argument, and show that we are not simply promoting Freedom of Speech because we want to get our own way and allow absolutely anything through, but because we actually believe that, whilst no games are harmful, there are some things that really should not be depicted as a game out of respect for societies feelings.

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    beemoh says:

    I notice Vaz still hasn’t had the balls to talk directly to the games media, somebody who might actually challenge what he has to say.

    I bet when he does bring this up in parliament, he plays the victim again like he did last time, claiming that the mean games websites are calling him names, as well.


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    beemoh says:

    The catch with the girl band thing was that everybody involved, bar the web host, was based in the UK. In this case everybody involved is in the US, and there’s not a lot the UK government can do.

    Other than that, it’s legal to buy foreign media in that hasn’t been through the UK ratings board, so long as you don’t re-sell it. Unless Vaz uses this as a springboard to push new laws, not a lot’s going to happen here.



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    nightwng2000 says:

    I see.  So a used copy of a game that is not commercially available in brick and mortar stores in the US or UK is bad.

    But this is ok?

    Or these?

    So murder in the name of a Christian "God" is ok to be taught to children, but a fictional game sold as "used" is not?  (Note, someone mentioned "role-play" previously as "consentual".  Since this is a fictional game, technically, one could argue it to be "role-play".


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    NovaBlack says:

    wait.. wait..


    so.. here in the UK, if i want to pay a random individual (not amazon itself) on the AMERICAN amazon site cash for this game, of which he ONLY has TWO COPIES… and THEN pay the vast import duties.. (recently got some stuff from the valve store, and the tax actually came to more than the stuff id ordered!) which is going to cost around £60 at least (around $100) then how on earth is this considered ‘widely available’?

    there are TWO copies on there. Sold by an individual (not restocked by And itd cost anyone in the UK an extortionate amount to import it. Plus youd need a credit card to pay on the US store since most standard uk payment methods (maestro/solo etc) arent accepted…

    Where would a kid get the £60 neeeded?

    where would a kid get the credit card to actually make the payment?

    If two kids DID buy these two copies.. how is that widely available? That isnt a large percentage of the overal UK population last time i did the math. In fact try adding up on youf fingers vaz. You will quickly see that trying to count even the people you can see looking out the window you will run out of fingers fast, yet you can count the purchasers of this game with two. Not exactly the majority is it.


    geez. This guy just loves the sensationalism. And hes is goddam slow, this was released in 2006.

    and after the three years since its release..

    do all the kids in britain now own a copy? … no..

    do even a significant number of kids in the UK own a copy?.. no..

    Has the youth been majoritively corrupted by its influences? no…


    oh looks like there was no need to raise it in parliament as an urgent waste of taxpayers money 3years ago then. And there certainly therfore isnt a need now.

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    Ambiguous says:

    They’re basically the same thing, just that hentai implies a specific cultural background to the piece.  If I had to point out any differences, it would be the same differences between typical western cartoons and anime: the japanese anime typically (read: almost always) possess greater elements of sequential storytelling.  Alot of porn are just one shot things, without any real story or motivation behind much besides sex.  Hentai is very similar, but at the very least most of them try to have some kind of motivation or story involved.  Some hentai series are in fact just that; series, with several episodes and an arcing storyline to its name.

    Alot of cartoons are episodic in nature, whereas anime has an arcing storyline from one episode to the enxt.  His makes anime significantly more enjoyable to watch, and also allows it to deal with more adult topics for the older audiences better than cartoons could.  It’s also why I tend to enjoy non-episode cartoons, like Teen titans. Yes they blatantly ripped off of the anime style, but it was still enjoyable for me to watch.  People should never call an anime a cartoon.  Technically thats correct, but it ticks us anime fans off .

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    Nekowolf says:

    The problem now is, the "will of the majority" could well be discriminatory. I mean, the "majority" probably wouldn’t understand this stuff. That’s partly why I’m so against the idea of "obscenity" because, it is so subjective, you cannot reasonably pass laws or anything against it, without essentially suppressing the rights of others.

    Don’t get me wrong, though; I certainly see where you are coming from.

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    Nekowolf says:

    I see them as different solely for the recognization of; one uses real people, and one is animated. That’s pretty much it. So I call them by different terms.

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    Nekowolf says:

    Sorry if it’s a stupid question, but GoodRobotUs, are you from the UK or America?

    Sorry if you’re from the UK (which, to be honest, I suspect, sorry if I’m wrong) but as I will drag out the Miller Test.

    Now, the Miller Test says:

     – Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
     – Whether the work depicts/describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions specifically defined by applicable state law,
     – Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.

    1. Definitely.
    2. Oh yeah.

    But then we get to 3. And according to the Miller Test, all three must apply in order to be obscene. But it is at 3 where things start to break down for obscenity, as even normal pornography has gotten by, and since it is a game, meaning it had to be planned, drawn, programmed, etc. it could be argued that it most certainly does have some form of artistic value in this way.

    Also, while yes, we give those….hmmmm…morallers? *trying to think of an easier name for them* more to use, I think instead, there’s not enough fight going against them in higher positions. Sure, we certainly do enough via internet, or in stuff like the debates with JT, or through organizations such as the ESA. But there needs to be more protest against them, publically. They’re not having enough challenge, and we should give them more. There simply isn’t enough collective publically/legistlative(ly?) recognized voices to suppress theirs.

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    Nekowolf says:

    Actually, I don’t really see it as objectifying anything per say. I mean, isn’t the idea of objectivity subjective?

    The way I see it, is it is not real. It is not promoting anything; it’s an erotic fantasy, an animated one, no less. If you see, and think of women as things, and property, then you already had the mental state of sexism, you already thought that, either aware of your position or not.

    I find it much like what I said about racism in RE5; it’s "present" because someone wants there to be racism. They want these problems to exist even if they do not.

    Or, take for example, Passion of the Christ. I’m not Christian, I will admit I haven’t seen it, and I have no interest in seeing it. However, I could argue, it is objectifying the religion for profit. And it is most certainly accepted, of course (well, among Christians and many other Americans).

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    TK n Happy Ness says:

    If this guy has an actual job, why the hell isn’t he doing it instead of searching on the internet for things to bitch about?

    When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?

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    Arell says:

    I… am torn by this issue.  I honestly don’t know how I feel, or how I would want this to proceed.  I’ve known that the Japanese hentai scene puts out a lot of disgusting things.  Rape, lolicon, guro, etc.  And I personally hate that anyone would profit off, or play through, a game that depicts sexual assault.  Rape is horrible, I of many crimes that are as tragic.  The victims remain and suffer for years, sometimes for the rest of their lives.  And then there’s material out there that glorifies the act that causes them such distress.  There are people that get their rocks off fanasizing about violence against women, which is disturbing and sad.

    On the other hand, it’s fictional.  And I’m a (usually) proud propontent of Free Speech.  It isn’t a real act of rape.  There are no real victims.  And you can’t really tell people what they should or shouldn’t be aroused by.  At most, I can only say with certainty that I’d hate for minors to get their hands on this sort of thing.  But for the adults, well, I have a hard time justifying blocking it from adult use.

    Although, you never know how the law is going to play out.  For example, lolicon is illegal in Canada, Australia, and a few European countries, on the basis that virtual child pornography is still child pornography.  And the US has the framework for a similar restriction in Federal law, they just haven’t had the opportunity to test it out in courts.  I must admit, despite my feelings towards Free Speech, I have no desire to speak out against such laws.  I’d be satisfied to see lolicon get outlawed, if it was the will of the majority.  Do I feel the same for rape porn?  Possibly.  This might be one of those issues that I’d have to sit it out on the sidelines and let whatever happens, happen.

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    Charax says:

    Hell, I’ve played it and it’s really not that bad. IIRC most of the endings involve you getting killed anyway, because RAEP IZ RONG!

    Vaz needs to get his panties un-knotted. It’s not like it’s generally available and it’s a product of an entirely different market. what’s next? is he going to ban anime because of all the huge breasts on underage girls?

    The poor guy would have a heart attack if he saw the Bible Black game or watched the last episode of Excel Saga.

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    Doomsong says:

    Rape in games isn’t even anything new on the Japanese front, did anyone play the imported version of D2 on the Dreamcast? Every boss monster you fight has some enormous phallus that can impregnate you (successfully in the case of one npc). Is this freak out caused by the fact that no one realized this stuff was in existence, or because the player is the one actually acting on the impulse?

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    Father Time says:

    As has been stated earlier we shouldn’t fall into a ‘at least we’re not that’ state of mind or argument when defending games.

    I remember debating someone over this issue and she put up a list of potentially horrible games (in a slippery slope argument). One involved raping children (of course) one involved spreading a disease throughout the planet and killing everyone, etc. etc. She asked me if I would try to stop those games from being made or try to get government involved or something. My answer was simply No.

    In fact I was tempted to one up her examples.

    Really though if we fall into ‘at least we’re not that’ we’re not really advocating ‘put your objections aside and let the game exist’ we’re advocating ‘lower your standards’. While I probably wouldn’t get the horrible games she suggested out of taste I’m not going to advocate they be censored if they were made.


    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

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    BrandonL337 says:

    shot in an alley is to good for them, they sould be castrated and have their eyeballs popped out.

    There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can’t do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

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    Father Time says:

    Since when was porn and hentai two different things?

    Oh and I’ve seen the play live (but not before seeing that song a bunch of times).

    I wonder if weren’t for that Utah bill, would jack qualify for the song ‘It Sucks to be Me’?


    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

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    Father Time says:

    Guys this issue brings up one very important question.

    How did Keith Vaz find out about this?

    Did an angry citizen (or one looking to piss off Keith) send him a link?

    Was he looking for games with rape to prove they exist? Note to Keith, you should have done this before saying there are games with rape out there. Second Note: when we say there are few games with rape we are excluding the Japanese.

    Or was he looking for … something else and got in over his head?

    Seriously I want to know how he found out about it.


    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

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    Father Time says:

    What proof do you have that they always twist facts to suit their agenda? Do you personally work for bullshit or what? You seem hellbent against Penn and Teller for whatever stupid reason (do tell me what personal belief you like that they bashed that made you so anti Penn and teller).

    Oh and to the op they showed a correlation and nothing more, then immediately admitted that it was a correlation and proved nothing.


    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

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    LujanD says:

    GoodRobotUs said, “If a movie were released with nothing but scene after scene of girls being raped, with no real storyline, no real motive, simply those scenes, do you think that kind of movie would be acceptable?”
    Yes, I do. I wouldn’t watch it (I doubt that many people would) but I wouldn’t say, “This is the exception to freedom of expression”. Either way, I expect that company wouldn’t last too long.
    And actually, I’ve cheated my way through many games. I’ve even switched on God-Mode and gone on a killing spree, for hours, on GTA. What sort of problems do you believe I have? I’m rather intrigued, I must admit.
    As for the rest, I see what you mean. You’re worried about it setting a bad precedent for games all around? I agree with you there but… well, unfortunately, that would be freedom of expression at work. Developers, directors and all the rest aren’t required to pander to the public’s view and that’s their right. It’d probably bite them in the end however, without the need for government intervention.

    Oh and I’m not going to get into a debate over obscenity laws. What this or that country may consider "obscene" varies and frankly as long as none of it is forced down our throats, I don’t see the problem with it. I write that with a tepid hand however as I’m not exactly sure of what some obscenity laws include and so am not clear as to what I might be condoning.

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    GoodRobotUs says:

    In those movies, rape is part of a Storyline, they are not the entire content of the movie, they are used to tell a story, that’s the reason they were allowed past the censors, also, none of those scenes broke obscenity laws.

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    Bennett Beeny says:

    "A Violent movie can depict someone being blown away, or ripped in half or any other number of gruesome deaths, but we all understand it for make believe, same with Video Games, but Movies or Games that depict rape or the objectification of women for the sake of gratification are somewhat different, and certainly not acceptable in modern society"

    Erm… movies have been depicting rape for years.  Have you never seen the movie ‘Boys Don’T Cry’?  Have you never seen ‘The Lover’? ‘Frenzy’? ‘Apocalypto’? ‘Blue Velvet’, ‘Straw Dogs’ ‘Deliverance’, ‘Scum’, ‘The Accused’, ‘Monster’, ‘Thelma & Louise’, ‘Rosemary’s Baby’, ‘The Joy Luck Club’, ‘Death Wish’, ‘A Clockwork Orange’, ‘Sudden Impact’ or ‘Something Wild’?  All of these movies have been accepted in modern society because the rapes aren’t real.

    It’s ALL make believe.  You can’t seriously believe that rape in a game is more ‘real’ than murder in a game.  They are both pretend.

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    GoodRobotUs says:

    The game depicts radicals that are trying to kill you, who happen to be Arabs because of the area it is set in, much as Resident Evil is set in Africa and therefore depicts dark-skinned Africans. I haven’t played CoD 4, but I doubt greatly that you can walk around killing people purely because they are Arabs, otherwise, I suspect, we’d have heard a lot more about the fact than we have.

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    Bennett Beeny says:

    "a game designed to objectify a Gender, a Race or even a Religion is not acceptable by society, and is likely to cause severe trouble for the gaming industry if such a thing became mainstream."

    Rubbish!  In CoD4 and any number of modern combat games the game objectifies arabs and the player goes around killing as many of them as possible.  How is that not the same thing?

    Look, if you see rape games as objectionable, you have to see murder or war games as similarly objectionable.  All of these games objectify race, religion, nationality and gender.  In what way is raping women in a game worse than killing arabs in a game?  In what way is rape in this game worse than torturing and murdering prisoners in CoD:WAW?  Even in the real world murder is considered worse than rape.

    In a game, morality is not an issue because no one is really getting raped, tortured, bullied or objectified.  Games are not real.

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    GoodRobotUs says:

    No, I don’t believe any such thing, but the fact is, a game without challenge or some kind of conequence for your actions is going to get very boring very quickly, regardless of the subject matter, anyone who enjoys playing a game like this for hours on end without any challenge to it probably has problems in the first place, as I stated in my reply earlier, I don’t think this would make someone go out and rape somebody, but, if I movie were released with nothing but scene after scene of girls being raped, with no real storyline, no real motive, simply those scenes, do you think that kind of movie would be acceptable?

    I never said the game should be banned because of that lack of consequences, I said that is part of what makes the game dangerous to the Gaming Industry, which is a wholly different matter, as I have said repeatedly, the real danger of this game is its impact on social opinion, which could lead to further reaching consequences than people seem to realise, these arguments that ‘If we allow Violence, we should allow rape’, work in two directions, the art of compromise is finding middle ground, if we refuse to do so, we place everything in danger, because we give moral crusaders ammunition.

    The main reason Games and Videos are not regulated is based on the fact that it is assumed they can regulate themselves to maintain what is socially acceptable. It’s not about our personal opinion, never has been, but if that balance tips in either direction, to the point where games get alienated as a medium, the consequences will be extremely far-reaching.


    It should also be noted that this kind of material is illegal under obscenity laws in the first place.

  35. 0
    GoodRobotUs says:

    He asked, I supplied what I knew, I’m not stating an opinion on whether I consider that evidence to be correct or not.

    Why has everyone got a pineapple up their arses today?

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    LujanD says:

    That’s "one" point you addressed. And the one I asked to avoid because, again, "we should ban this game because it has no consequences" is such a gyp…

    My reply?

    You really believe that one hundred percent of gamers all "love" the exact same thing?

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    Archgabe says:

    Does anyone else think that he is just complaining about this because he wants to hide his own guilty sexual fantasy?  I mean, is it not the people in government who go nuts over "morality" the ones who are caught in the back seat of their BMW with their gay lover/prostitute?  I mean, really.  Was it not the play Hamlet where the line "I think [he] protests to much." was uttered?

    I am calling it now.  Sex scandal involving rape play and…  what would be out there…  I got it, hampsters.  Something with hampsters.

    Really, it is just he has been showing up here a bit too much recently and there is just not enough to make fun of anymore.  All the good matireal on him is gone.  I mean, I kinda feel bad not having anything that good.  He is just too dry.  I just can’t land the shots anymore.  Really, all I had was the gay lover prostitute thing.  That is scraping the bottom of the barrel.  Sure rape is the most horrible thing someone can do to another person and yes, I dislike even hearing about rape (I am cool with rape play, so if that is what turns you on more power to ya, just not my thing) and I get really upset when I hear stories about it.  I cant even watch a movie with rape in it.  But I feel like I should at least be able to land a good zinger on Vaz no matter what the topic is.  Our opponents are just kinda lame nowadays.  It is like we lost the Joker (pick one, they were all cast the best no matter the series) and are now stuck with Mr. Freeze from "Batman & Robin".  I got nothing.

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    Bennett Beeny says:

    Penn and Teller could produce ‘evidence’ that the sky was puce green with pink polka dots if it suited their worldview.  Their show is a joke and anyone who thinks they use ‘evidence’ in their shows is gullible enough to believe almost anything.

    A truly scientific study on the issue could not possibly be done – there are just too many variables.  I’m more than willing to believe that porn reduces people’s willingness to commit sex-related offenses, but to say there is ‘evidence’ supporting that belief is nonsense.

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    TBoneTony says:

    When will people just wake up and understand that…

    "The internet is for Porn and Hentai.

    The internet is for porn and hentai,

    why’d you think the net was born?

    Porn and Hentai!"

    it’s in that song.

    Also does sell unrated stuff, it is because Amazon are from America and it is covered by the 1st Admendment of the US Constitution.


    Sadly Vaz will block his ears to reason and say "la la la, I can’t hear you."


    I also seem to recall that Vaz does not even play any Videogames, but he has kids who do play videogames, it always seems to be the politicians who have kids who are so afraid of the internet and things that they want to punish us adult’s freedoms of speech just so they don’t have to bother about parenting.


    You know what I am getting at?


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    GoodRobotUs says:

    Agreed, his jurisdiction is this country, and this country alone, he can complain to, who have, now removed the software, but other than that, it is the responsiblity of other countries to deal with this as they see fit.

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    LujanD says:

    I think I’m going to join Daria_C on this.

    Before I begin however, can I ask that we drop the whole “storyline” and “consequences” bit because let’s be honest now… that’s such a gyp. Many gamers hardly even care about the storyline while some developers even accommodate them… And as long as the game is entertaining, who really pauses to think about the consequences? Some games are going so far as to remove the “tedious” consequences these days.

    So let’s take it from the morally objectionable point of view.

    Rape, like killing, racism, sexism and what have you, is “bad” and it scares people. I totally understand. However, just like I feel the odd loony should be able to go on about religion, peace, love, etc, I also believe that the dregs of society should be allowed a voice. And if that voice so happens to include “morally objectionable” items… well, it shouldn’t matter. It’s our right to ignore what we find objectionable just as much as it’s another’s right to show it; so long as nobody is actually being physically hurt in the ordeal.

    At the very least, we’ll know who we shouldn’t be hanging with.

  42. 0
    Oz says:

    Now, I have no plans to buy nor endorse the game however there are a few points I want to raise

    * Does this Brittish MP think he has the jurisitciton to tell a New York based reseller what he can and cant sell?

    * Does this Brittish MP think he has the jurisitciton to tell a Japanese developer what they can and cant develop?

    * Does this Brittish MP think he knows what is normal in the Hentai/Anime world?

    He could do what he can to prevent it from being sold in the UK but his powers pretty much stop there. And this guy should just watch some anime porn, I mean you have women being raped by alien tenticals!!! Its not outside the norm over there (and yes real life rape is not condoned in anyway shape or form their neither).

    Bloody hell Vaz, just prevent its sale in the UK  and leave it like that, people will be downloading it illegally of torrent sites anyways so its a non-issue

  43. 0
    GoodRobotUs says:

    I’ll agree that my own personal feelings for the game are secondary, I’m merely exercising my right to take offence, however, my larger concern is the fact that Media should be treated equally, and that something like this will cause outrage in the general public. If we make excuses for this kind of game, then we are also making excuses for rape Videos etc.

    That said, I agree that paying it attention is more than it deserves, so I’ll agree that we have slightly different views on the matter and leave it at that :)

  44. 0
    Daria_C says:

    I didn’t say this wasn’t a horrible game (Go read the something awfull review, it will make your jaw drop) but, we can’t pick and choose where we draw the line. Besided the more we all hype the game, the better off it will be.

  45. 0
    GoodRobotUs says:

    And I’ll add to that:

    If two people want to do ‘role playing’ and it is consentual between the two, I don’t have the slightest problem with that, it is their lives, their choice and their freedom to do so, so before you start judging me by what you percieve me to be, try actually reading what I am saying.

  46. 0
    GoodRobotUs says:

    ‘And some of us like to put ourselfs in the submissive or recieving end not that that matters to you as you’ll probably come up with a response about how sick we are now.’

    As I said in my last post ‘CONSENTUAL’. Look it up.

    ‘Oh but hey thanks for setting the boundries for us. Fictional violence is ok, so long as it’s not sexual, targeted at any specific gender, and you don’t feel its discremenetory.’

    Nope. The boundaries are that make believe violence, and even rape are ok as Story-Telling tools, but a game designed to objectify a Gender, a Race or even a Religion is not acceptable by society, and is likely to cause severe trouble for the gaming industry if such a thing became mainstream.

    Now, stop being a rude, offensive little pillock and trying to slip insults into every other paragraph.

  47. 0
    GoodRobotUs says:

    Most of those games involve someone trying to kill you back, however. Even with a ‘moral’ at the end, this kind of sexual gratification is not acceptable in our society. If someone released a Video of a girl being raped, it would be stamped on, hard, and the same should be said for a Video Game.

    A Violent movie can depict someone being blown away, or ripped in half or any other number of gruesome deaths, but we all understand it for make believe, same with Video Games, but Movies or Games that depict rape or the objectification of women for the sake of gratification are somewhat different, and certainly not acceptable in modern society when the scene is used purely for gratification, rather than as a story-telling tool. There’s a slight difference with games like GTA, but the act of killing people does affect the plot, by making you have to deal with the Police.

    It’s not even a question of ‘it’ll encourage rapists’, I doubt that in the extreme, but I do not accept that Video Games should have special dispensation any more than I accept they should be restricted. They are media, and each country has it’s own tolerance for what that media should contain. There’s a difference between using a Rape as part of the storyline and making an entire piece of Media all about raping women in several different ways. One is accepted as a narrative neccessity, the other is simply pointless, offensive, and likely to cause far more trouble for gamers and the gaming industry in general.

  48. 0
    catboy_j says:

    There are video games where you rape men as well, or can choose. It’s not what culture finds morally objectionable. We’ve been saying "It’s fake, not real, there are no real victems." There are no real victems here. Sorry if it offends your sensibilities but what exactly is wrong here? That someone finds fictional rape arousing or amusing? And almost all porn is targetted towards men there are still women who enjoy this kind of thing.

    And some of us like to put ourselfs in the submissive or recieving end not that that matters to you as you’ll probably come up with a response about how sick we are now.

    Oh but hey thanks for setting the boundries for us. Fictional violence is ok, so long as it’s not sexual, targeted at any specific gender, and you don’t feel its discremenetory.

  49. 0
    Daria_C says:

    After we are all done posting most of us are most likely going to go play a videogame. In most of said games we are going to kill someone, whether its immolating someone with a fireball, or splattering little nazi bits all over Europe.

    Now, I don’t support rape, (I think real rapists should be brought into the alley and shot) and I’m not trying to antagonize anyone here, but doesnt anyone else find it ironic, and a little hypocritical that we are bashing a game that has rape, when many of us enjoy games that have killing?

    Also, from looking it up on wikipedia, it seems that the main character can actully die in it. Let this be a lesson to anyone who is thinking about rape. You might get away with it once, but there will be a time when the girl your trying to overpower slits your thoat.

  50. 0
    GoodRobotUs says:

    It’s not a question of personal feeling, it’s a question of what is acceptable by society in general, in Japan, they are fine with it, and that is up to them, but in the UK, there is a world of difference between depicting make believe violence and make-believe rape. Even in the movies there is a difference between the two, because of the attitude of society toward it.

    In games like GTA, the violence is totally untargetted, you can attack anyone of any race, gender or profession, and bear the consequences of it, however this game is specifically targetted to a certain gender, there is no risk, no challenge involved, it is nothing more than self-gratification and there is a definite objectification of women involved.

    Yes, in Mortal Kombat you can rip someone’s spine out, but then, if you don’t succeed, you may well suffer the same fate, in GTA IV you can run someone over, but if you do, you are pursued by the Police. There’s a wealth of difference between the ‘Risk Trade’ of violent games and this, and society in the West is most certainly not prepared to accept the kind of mentality behind a game like this.

    My own feelings are ‘Thank God for that!’, you may or may not agree, but our own personal feelings on the matter are secondary.

    So yes, I find it appalling and I hope it gets dealt with swiftly, Snuff Videos are illegal, Rape Videos are illegal, but Fantasy Violent Videos are not, nor are BDSM Videos, that’s because of a little thing called ‘consent’.

  51. 0
    catboy_j says:

    I’m sorry what’s the issue with this game? We fictionally kill people in video games all the time it doesn’t mean you support the real thing. Which is what all of us have been saying.

    So what THIS is wrong? It’s ok we can kill people in GTA, rip humans spines out in Mortal Kombat, We enjoy Pride Fighting, but this is wrong?

    This isn’t even a mainstream game we’re looking at. You being appaled is hardly even justifiable… It’s a little disgusting to see you say videogames are ok because they are fictional and don’t encourage real violence, but you wish for this to be swiftly dealt with… Great job jumping about the Thompson Hypocrocy boat.

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    kurbster says:

    Why don’t you place a trade embargo on Japan then?

    What’s considered "moral" differs from culture to culture.  We like our hardcore and BSDM sex….and they like their rape, futa, and scat.  Doesn’t make anyone "right", now does it?

  53. 0
    Sukasa says:

    I would wager the Japanese company is loving the free publicity that they are getting from the British MP and the likely increased sales as people are curious as to what games they produce.  Anyway, why is it ok to run around and kill people in a game but anything sex(much less rape) is bad (in the context that you can go to Best Buy and get a game that has mass killing but never see a game with a boob though down the aisle you can get a movie with some nudity)?  Not saying there should or should not be nudity in games, but double standards are not cool.  Anyway with the way the internet is, even if Amazon pulled the game off their website, it isn’t like someone who wants to buy this hentai game cant get one at one off the likely many japanese culture /gaming/etc stores online.

  54. 0
    GoodRobotUs says:

    There was a Penn & Teller episode where someone produced evidence that the existence of standard Pornographic material created a reduction in the number of sexual offences commited, but I don’t think it referred to the more ‘avant garde’ style of pornography.

  55. 0
    Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    To tell you the truth, I’d rather have a guy wank off to this instead of prowling the streets, looking for his next target.

    …Hey, wasn’t there a study done by the FBI, or somebody, showing the amount of sexual crimes committed in the past years? And wasn’t the graphed results placed along side another graph showing the amount of porn sites created or hentai games out on the market in the past few years? Does anyone know/remember what I’m talking about, or am I just talking out of my ass?

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  56. 0
    GoodRobotUs says:

    Not strictly illegal, true, but I suspect that’s more due to the fact that such a case has never been bought to court.

    That said, as I you say, Vaz is trying to take a one-off incident of something being sold that is a part of the culture in another country (whether I agree with it or not) in a country in which such things are not acceptable, and attempting to twist it to make it sound like such things are commonly availalable, with a complete misrepresentation of the truth.

    There was a kind of precedent set for this kind of thing when someone released a story containing violent sexual acts against a Girl-Band, and was arrested for it. Whilst part of that case centred around the fact that the girls in question were real people, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a case against this game hold up in court if it were bought there.

  57. 0
    Elestia says:

    It’s not an illegal good per se. It is just that the good came through a channel not appropriate for Amazon’s target audience, and that Vaz is seeing this as if it was a daily occurence for Amazon.

  58. 0
    GoodRobotUs says:

    Is this the same Japan that Thompson accused of performing a ‘second Pearl Harbor’ on the US with the stuff that is legally sold there?


    Anyway, that aside, illegal goods are illegal, and him claiming vindication for something being illegal is like trying to say that, because snuff Videos exist, that vindicates claiming that general release videos contain snuff scenes, i.e. Pushing the definition to beyond breaking point.


    That said, this kind of thing is pretty apalling, and I hope it gets dealt with swiftly.

  59. 0
    Crashus Maximus says:

    Huh. I wish I knew enough about Japanese Culture to speak eloquently about how acceptable Rape-Fantasy is to anyone of open sexual mind over there. Maybe its just a cultural thing that we are shocked that a game like this could exist. 

    Mind you, should we be? I mean, fuck sakes; before Rapeplay ever found its way into the US markets from japan, years ago going waaaaay back it was a US Publisher called Mystique that programmed and had a limited release for Custers Revenge. Its not like rape is that new in video games, even if it is still shocking. And not that it makes it acceptable either. Regretfully, it seems to be just another one of those things that came around once before and is bound to come around again.

    The only difference between the Sane and the Insane, is IN and yet within this world, the Sane have the power to have the Insane locked up. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson



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    Mattsworkname says:

    Not to get on Vaz’s case but, um, He kinda missed the boat on Rapelay. Any search of ANY bittorrent site has DOZENS and DOZENS of links to it and other hentai material, rape and non rape. Sorry, but vaz Going after this game is sorta like someone Going after playboy, in as much as in the Japanese market, games like this are fairly common. In fact, the game company in question, Illusion, Makes quite a few games, many of which feature some amount of non consenual sexual activity. Theres many more companies that make games similiar to this. They are only japan, and NOT made  avalible to a wider public sale by either the US or UK game industry. Vaz needs to be sued by the Industry for Smear if tries to pin this one them.


    Yukimura is still here "Honor, that is what matters, isn’t it? " Yukimura Sanada, from Samurai warriors 2

  61. 0
    Naota10 says:

    Rapelay is honestly not that extreme as far as this stuff goes, I’ve seen some clips from it and, while bizare I can’t really say that it looks like rape unless you can understand what the characters say.

  62. 0
    Andrew Eisen says:

    "It is intolerable that anyone would purchase a game that simulates the criminal offence of rape."

    Tough rocks pal.  If I want to play a Rapeplay, that’s my business, not yours.

    If I want to watch I Spit On Your Grave, that’s my business, not yours.

    If you don’t like it, save your dough and don’t play it.


    Andrew Eisen

  63. 0
    Andrew Eisen says:

    "Games that center around grotesque murders, such as thrillkill and manhunt have no justification and no storyline."

    Wrong on both counts.  Both games have a storyline (although Thrillkill’s is about two sentences) and both are justified by the fact that someone wants to play them.  The recent GTA games, just so you know, have incredibly involved story lines.

    "I don’t think I need to go too far into detail on the affects of masturbation on the brain."

    I wish you would.  I honestly don’t know what you’re getting at.

    I don’t agree with your "unattainable standard of beauty" argument.  Such standards are attainable by virtue of the fact that the actresses in live action porn films are real people.  Additionally, most porn actresses (from my understanding) are not beauty queens.  Plus, I think mainstream media (films, magazines, TV) does more to promote a difficult-to-obtain standard of good looks then porn does.

    Also, your Pavlovian example doesn’t work because there is no bell.  Rape isn’t the bell; it’s the food.  The dog was already salivating over the food.  He learned that a bell ring meant food was on the way.  At the end of the day, he still wasn’t drooling over the bell.

    If a gamer is playing Rapelay because he’s aroused by the concept of rape, then he already has the association between rape and arousal.  It had nothing to do with the game.

    Lastly, being aroused by a rape fantasy (and fantasy is all it is) doesn’t mean that one’s sense of right and wrong is overridden.


    Andrew Eisen

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    Wolvenmoon says:

    Pornography has been found to create an unrealistic standard of beauty at best. This game is not meant to be anything but smut. Games that center around grotesque murders, such as thrillkill and manhunt have no justification and no storyline. GTA I know next to nothing about any story in it, so I’ll pass commentary there.

    —Mature theme(Wish they let you do black on black text so people had to highlight)–

    The difference between thrillkill, manhunt, and this rape game is that this game is meant to be played with your pants down. It’s meant for masturbation. I don’t think I need to go too far into detail on the affects of masturbation on the brain. However, I will say this much.

    There is a type of conditioning that was discovered a long time ago. Every time food was placed in front of a dog, the dog drooled. They started ringing a bell every time they placed food in front of the dog, and it drooled when it saw the food. Eventually they rang the bell without putting food in front of the dog, and it drooled.

    Anyone get what I’m saying here? Originally ringing the bell (rape) would have no asociation with food (pleasure), but when brought together eventually the two were asociated and had the same effect.

    This kind of pornography is not only creating an unattainable standard of beauty (and thus damaging relationships), it’s also conditioning people into a positive reaction at such a horrifically negative thing. There is a HUGE difference between other types of adult products that amazon stocks (brought up by another poster, I have not verified this), and a game that really does teach people to rape.


    "How does that differ from violent video games!?"

    *Deletes long explanation.*

    If you’re too dense to see how a rape simulator differs from something present (violence) in the oldest fantasy books we have, then you’re hopeless.


  65. 0
    BrandonL337 says:

    I said considered I’m trying to explain why people might think that rape is worse, of course mass murder is worse, I’m just giving one example of why people might think that the opposite is true

    perhapes it would have been explained better if i had mentioned other reasons, like puritanism

    i apoligise for the misunderstanding

    There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can’t do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

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    Mad_Scientist says:

    You’re putting words in his mouth. He never even said Rapelay should be banned, all he said was that it was worse than a game like GTA, in his mind.

    And anyways, Manhunt, at least the first one, wasn’t even totally 100% focused on murder I believe.

  67. 0
    Father Time says:

    I was talking about nightwing not Keith Vaz.


    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

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    sirdarkat says:

     Are you daft?  Do you trully think that mass murder doesn’t have victims that have to deal with the tramatic experience for many years?  Let’s find you a child that has watched a warlords army come in and cut his father, mother, and siblings up like they love to do in the Congos and just see how victimless and less tramatic the experience was for him.  Im sure he got over it with in a couple of minutes I mean its not like he was murdered just his whole family.  Just because the direct victim of a violent crime isn’t around anymore doesn’t mean that the trauma of the occurrence suddenly goes away.

  69. 0
    beemoh says:

    >He said he was appalled not that the government or amazon should do anything about it.

    >I will be raising this matter in Parliament and hope that action is taken to prevent the game from being sold.


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    nighstalker160 says:

    IMO something like RapeLay which is totally, 100% completely focused around the commission of Rape is worse.

    Yes, in GTAIV you kill people. But the entire GOAL of the game is not to kill as many people as you can.

    A game like RapeLay and other similar Hentai games there is NO point to the game. They exist solely to appeal to a pruient interest in sex.

    GTAIV, COD, Mass Effect, BioShock, etc, they all have large, overarching storylines and the killing is incidental to that.

    There is no storyline (I presume) to RapeLay beyond "Rape these girls!" Or at least, that’s what I expect. If anyone has actually played game tell me if I’m wrong (I promise I won’t judge…too much ha!)

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    Father Time says:

    He said he was appalled not that the government or amazon should do anything about it.

    This game is hentai and unless you can honestly tell me that you will never be disgusted by anything shown in hentai (after all it’s only pretend) I don’t think you have much of a case.


    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

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    BrandonL337 says:

    It may be that mass murder is considered not as mass rape because the victims of rape are (usually) still around and have to deal with the trama and possibly baby and the people calling her a whore for getting an abortion.  Victims of rape live with the tramatic experience for many years

    There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can’t do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

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    Father Time says:

    I just thought of something.

    Interactice rape could be justified in a game without porn.

    What if you were the victim? What if you were a 3rd party and had a choice whether or not you were going to try to stop it?


    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

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    Daniel Jiménez says:

    I think that the question here must be: "should we allow interactive rape in porn games?" instead of "should we allow interactive rape in videogames?"

    The use of rape as a narrative tool (in Phantasmagoria, for example) is common to all media, there is no problem with that. On the other hand, interactive rape can only have one purpose, which is porn, as it is impossible to justify it’s existence in a mainstream game.

    I don’t think this is our fight. If anything, this is the porn industry fight.

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    Miang says:

    Something about the idea of this game turns my stomach. I think that’s why I have to defend the right of people to produce and sell it. It’s not real. I can’t pick and choose which kinds of games to defend. For the arguement that video games are fictional and deserving of the same kinds of protection as any other media I have to defend them all. Even..maybe especailly the ones I don’t like.


    After all, I don’t like this game. But I do like games like God of War. If I get to say that this game crosses a line and shouldn’t be sold, someone else can say the same thing about God of War and games like it. I will have invalidated my right to my own tastes by the single action of invalidating the tastes of others. No one is being hurt by the sale of this media because like all video games: it’s not real.

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    mdo7 says:


    Oh boy, this is a sign for me and anime fan.  Anime are going to be a new target for them.  JT didn’t know about this yet, but he will and link anime to video game.  This is what I’m afraid of, politics attacking anime/manga next.  I knew it, the anime/manga hating will extend to politics and haters everywhere.  It’s only a matter of time before JT are aware of anime haters on youtube.  I’m afraid he may try to convert anime haters to video game haters.  Many video gamers who are anime haters may forgive JT if he attack anime directly.  I know it for sure because I have met anime haters who are video game haters on Youtube.  This is not good, May all anime fan and video gamers (one that doesn’t hate anime) unite to protect anime and video game.



    somewhere in Youtube: all anime haters are praising Vaz and probably forgiving him for any video game he criticized.  Now if JT is watching this, he’ll reach out to anime haters why video game are evil ("it’s because video game and anime are in the same industry" if JT said that).      

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    ksefchik says:

    Wow, I didn’t think my comment would elicit that kind of a response. Sorry if I offended your sensibilities, but I’m a normal person: I only watch the anime or read the manga that happens to catch my eye. I’m a bit GitS fan and Love Hina is my favorite manga of all time. That should give you some idea of what you’re dealing with.

    Now, speaking from personal experience, I can safely tell everyone here that this kind of stuff is very common over here. "Over here" he says? I just so happened to be stationed in Japan right now (Okinawa, to be exact.) So, to reply in a nice way, you can take your e-peen and shove it. They sell this stuff in the computer store and it is NOT tame. Every fantasy you can imagine and some *I* couldn’t (until I saw it) is catered to. Rape, bondage, bondage/rape, tentacle/rape, etc. Nothing is off the table when it comes to the hentai over here. The so-called "normal" stuff is the minority. So, from what I can tell, you’re the one who’s living in a bubble, not me.

    Incidentally, I think it’s pretty funny when GP falls in line behind a game that allows you to live out the fantasy of having sex with a hooker in a stolen car then viciously beating her in an alley until she drops the money you just paid her. Then, in nearly the same breath, GP declares a game in which you can live out a fantasy rape (another vicious criminal act) abhorrent. 

    As they say…

    – Ain’t life in Rapture grand? – 

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    Pseudonymous says:

    Yet again, I have no problem with such things. And anime these days is hardly "watered down". There’s still plenty of fanservicey stuff in many of them, even if overt nudity is mostly only seen on the DVD/Blu-ray releases. More importantly, having a serious story without gratuitous nudity is hardly "watering down" either. As for "hard issues", animes including nudity or sexual content almost never do it for anything even vaguely approaching serious or artistic reasons.

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    Pseudonymous says:

    That’s hardly being a "complete jackass". The post is mostly polite, if somewhat irked in tone, except for the couple of gratutious insults. In response to someone who acted like an overconfident know-it-all whilst displaying an impressive ignorance of the subject matter, and all but shoved words in my mouth, acting like I was some sort of overly moralistic anti-rape crusader, I certainly could’ve done worse.

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    ZippyDSMlee says:

    A few of the harder anime have but tis mroe rare,like toplessness has gone away in most anime hard issues tend to be pushed away to random late night or OVAs.

    Now adays anime is more watered down to try and get more viewership.

    But it all coems down to fiction beign fiction, if you don’t like it don’t buy it.


    Gore,Violence,Sexauilty,Fear,Emotion these are but modes of transportation of story and thought, to take them from society you create a society of children and nannys, since adults are not required.

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    Pseudonymous says:

    First, I never said anyone was being harmed or that I had any sort of problem with the material; I rather enjoy rape porn myself. I was merely objecting to someone improperly representing how common such material is.

    On to the main point of my response: You beg to differ because you are an ignorant fucktard (that’s the proper, scientific term, by the way). Having seen hundreds of animes (sorry to bring out the e-penis), I think I can safely conclude that rape is a pretty fucking rare thing in non-pornographic anime. I can’t think of a single anime that’s aired in the last few seasons that’s had rape as a major or even minor plot point (though admittedly I didn’t watch some all the way through because they’re utter shit, but who cares about those?). And if you’ve just seen a dozen hentai anime, then you’ve seen a very, very tiny subset of what there is (and apparently a rather unrepresentative one), and aren’t exactly in a position to be making judgments about the medium as a whole. Moreover, animated material is hardly representative of the world of drawn pornography in Japan, as it is comparatively more expensive than other media, and hence less common. More common are games (which are mostly more like CYOA books with porn and voice acting than like this one), and even more so, comics.

    tl;dr ur a idort

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    ksefchik says:

    Ummm, I beg to differ. Heck, rape is common even in NON hentai animated films (Fist of the North Star, anyone? How about some Ninja Scroll?). Besides, as was mentioned, no one is being harmed in these films in any way. They’re freaking cartoons, people! Jeez…

    I’ve probably watched about a dozen or so hentai films and almost all of them have contained rape scenes. About half of those rape scenes involved tentacles, proving once and for all that rape can be funny.

  83. 0
    catboy_j says:

    On the note of "Other games are ok because they have story telling and you have an equal chance of getting the same" So let’s get this straight?

    Mortal Kombat 1 had in game story telling? *glances back a few times* or 2? Or 3? Or 4?! and Don’t most people who play those games rejoice in how awesome they are when they easily defeat an opponent human or AI?

    And the miller test is total BS.

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    ZippyDSMlee says:

    Heres a thought if you sloted media correctly you can make it a crime to sell to minors, but if you ban it you create loopholes that are easily bypassed.


    Gore,Violence,Sexauilty,Fear,Emotion these are but modes of transportation of story and thought, to take them from society you create a society of children and nannys, since adults are not required.

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    Father Time says:

    Oh ok I stumbled onto some of that myself (didn’t know what it was called) and it really truly disgusted me. It once again proved to me that you can take two good things and mix them together to create something incredibly awful (although peanut butter and tuna all ready did that a long time ago).


    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

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    Nekowolf says:

    Yeah, what *points up* he/she said. It’s mutilation hentai. Often times, it’s just shortened to "guro" instead. Things like, I dunno, just pulling some examples, severed limbs, exploding stomach, beheading, etc. mixed with eroticism

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    Joran says:

    I defend it.  Here’s the justification written by someone who can do it much better than me:

    The money quote is:  "The Law is a blunt instrument. It’s not a scalpel. It’s a club. If there is something you consider indefensible, and there is something you consider defensible, and the same laws can take them both out, you are going to find yourself defending the indefensible."

    In this case, "violence" is what we consider defensible and "sexual assault" is what we consider indefensible.

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    garrett says:

    There are other games like this, such as Biko, where you stalk your prey. Biko itself had 2 sequels.

    These rape games, judging from videos, Japanese reviews, and first hand experience, are very fake. They seem surreal. Aside from the graphics, they don’t seem to be cemented on anything based on reality. But from seeing what folks have to say, there is indeed a double standard going on. Rape is a cowardly, violent act. But just like other games where you mow down hundreds or thousands of imaginary people, it doesn’t make you an expert criminal.

    Touchy subject? Sure is. But if you are going to talk bad about a 3 year old game, all you are going to do is give it attention, make people order it or look for it online, giving it a boost in notoriety. It’s how Manhunter sold better then it should have.

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    SimonBob says:

    Wait, are you saying… the system works?  Inconceivable!  Quick, find something else to complain about!  Amazon can’t possibly have support staff who spend their whole day taking down items that have been marked as containing offensive or inappropriate content!

    The Mammon Industry

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    kurbster says:

    I should also note that with 99% of these hentai imports, you can’t just pop in the CD and playing w/o any setting changes to Windows….it doesn’t work that way.  First, you have to change the input language to Japanese (maybe even download a language pack if Windows doesn’t have it installed already).  Then you have to navigate through the japanese installer via trial-and-error.  God forbid you have a problem running the game, because the error messages will be in japanese….and ect.

    If kids can find their way around this, then kudos to them…..award their smartness and let them get a raging boner

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    TBoneTony says:

    To be honest, last time I checked rape was illegal in Japan, And it carries a heafty punishment,

    The people in the Adult Hentai industry in Japan are not all bad people, some people make Anime, Hentai games with the themes of rape to help people realize that it does happen in society and how the social implications happen because of it.

    How it affects the victim and their emotions they have to go though.

    Sometimes it is a fantasy that is pleasurable in fantasy but horrible in reality. But it does not make it right or wrong to try and develop rape as a theme about society in a game, but it is also completely wrong in reality.

    I know many people are offended by it, and I sure was offended by real rape when I was a teenager when I saw it on the news.

    But when I grew into an adult, and saw the Hentai, I was not really as offended because a few of my friends were raped by other people and I can see that in reality, Hentai games are more about trying to wake up society to tell them that this happens in reality yet we are too scared to even talk about it.

    This is just my opinions though, I love playing Hentai games as long as they are Tentacle monsters, I would not want to play a game with real rape as that is kinda where my taste goes, I perfer the fantasy violence and not real violence both sexual and physical. But I guess you can see what I am trying to say here. I should not be judged by what games I would love to play, I should only be judged by the things I DO in my real life.

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    Tammej says:

     Somehow I wonder if there would be such an outrage if the game was about girls raping guys, or men raping other men. Maybe it would be overlooked, I don’t know. But it’s always interesting to take any given situation and reverse or change the gender roles, then look at it again or see the reactions coming from outside.

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    BearDogg-X says:

    Vaz should grow up, get a life, and quit crying over every little thing.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

    Proud supporter of the New Orleans Saints, LSU, 1st Amendment; Real American; Hound of Justice; Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always

    Saints(0-3), LSU(3-0)

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    SimonBob says:

    "It’s available there" isn’t necessarily an excuse that holds water in all cases of import, tho.  I’ve seen lists on The Smoking Gun of barred materials that aren’t allowed to cross North American borders under any circumstances, for instance.  It’s a grey zone in terms of Asian PSPs or region-free copies of GBA games, but there’s definitely a point at which overly vulgar media (that is, "vulgar" through the lens of the local culture) is considered absolutely unacceptable by law.

    Besides which, it’s not a very good game. ;O

    The Mammon Industry

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    Wraith108 says:

    Since it’s Japanese and these types of games are obviously available there I dunno if the legality can be questioned unless you also deem certain movies and books like A Clockwork Orange to also be illegal. Also Murder is a far worse crime (in the legal sense in terms of the sentence handed down for a conviction) yet it’s a part of many games, and killing in self-defence/war in even more.

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    Neeneko says:

    I was actually thinking of things like bootlegs.  There is a significant amount of bootleg material available on amazon right out in the open, with sellers who have thousands of sales to thier name.

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    sirdarkat says:

     Pirate Bay any one??? Pirate Bay ??? hmm anyone? … just because your place says its wrong doesn’t mean my place does.  It is good to see though that the UK has the same problem as the US the whole "what do you mean our laws don’t apply to everyone in the world" concept.

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    Wraith108 says:

    But the Company is American and the servers are probably in the USA too so they are only bound by US laws. The location of the servers is the important bit as I use a forum run from the UK but we have to be mindful of US copyright laws in particular because the Server is in the US/

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    Nekowolf says:

    Yeah, no offense, you’re getting really close to hypocritism. I know a bunch of people, male and female, who sometimes like rape in hentai, or pretend rape during sex. There’s nothing wrong with them either. They’re just like everyone else.

    And the same thing is said about us, don’t forget. "How can anyone enjoy something with such excessive violence? They must be sick!"

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    Neeneko says:

    Please.. please don’t drop into the ‘at least we are not X’ morality.

    Yes, people play games with rape in them.  People integrate rape play into their sex lives.  People also play violent games where you can blow people’s heads off or rip out their spinal chords.  Please do not insult these people for what they like, otherwise we might as well throw out all games besides hello kitty on-line as deranged.

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    Hershey says:

    Uhh…Wow. You would really have to wonder who in their right minds would create a game like that, and the people who enjoy it. Whatever floats your boat DOES apply here, but there are limits.

    Even thought limited copies are available, something like that just can’t really be sold ANYWHERE without uproar. I just hope Amazon gets this corrected before more false things are said about video games…

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    KillerRamen says:

    He’s right, but this is Amazon…

    The sale of this product is protected by amendment one, so they will continue to sell it. They also sell dogfighting videos.

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    Father Time says:

    what exactly is ero-guro? This being the internet and all I’m not going to look it up.


    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

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    Pseudonymous says:

    Rape isn’t that common in hentai; it’s about as common as in Japanese porn in general. Guro is even less common, guro games in particular, and it’s pretty damn unlikely you’ll ever find any on Amazon.

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    Nekowolf says:

    Phffff. This is nothing. Wait till you get to stuff like ero-guro. Stuff like rape is rather common in hentai; it’s something you just got to get used to. Partly because it’s not real.

    Hell, there are plenty of female hentai fans who like stuff like this.

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    Bennett Beeny says:

    In what way is pixellated rape any more appalling than pixellated mass murder?  We happily play games like GTA IV or Assassin’s Creed where we brutally murder hundreds of people, and we defend our choice by saying it isn’t real.  So in what way is pretend rape appalling?  If pretend rape is appalling, isn’t pretend murder just as appalling?

    Sure, the concept of a game that makes a hero out of a rapist is disturbing, but so is the concept of a game that makes a hero out of a murderous petty criminal (GTA IV) or a soldier who tortures prisoners (CoD: WaW).  You can’t seriously decry one without decrying the other, and you can’t honestly defend one unless you defend the other.

    Games are not real.  If we kill, torture or rape in a game we are not committing murder, torture or rape.  No one is harmed, no laws are broken and the Geneva conventions remain intact.  You could make the argument that a rape game encourages real life rape, but that’s the same argument that Keith Vaz and others make with regard to videogame violence – are you sure you want to be taking their side on this?

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    nighstalker160 says:

    The game is most definitely appalling.

    Unfortunately you know that Vaz is going to use this every single time he brings this issue up. Nevermind that there is not one, single mainstream game which has rape as a central action in it.

    Saying RapeLay represents video games is like saying Pornography represents the film industry.

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    Lucien says:

    Yea, I’d have to agree with Neeneko here.

    It’s a rather common fantasy, actually. I looked it up:

    "In one study of college-age women, over half had engaged in such fantasies. Some claim that force fantasies in women are a way of handling sexual guilt — of expressing sexual desire without responsibility — but others claim that rape fantasies are simply a variation within a normal range of approaches to female sexuality." Source: Wiki (rape fantasy)

    It’s just another fetish, so, sorry if I say that this doesn’t really bother me. Whatever floats your boat, as they say. As long as it doesn’t hurt anyone (unless, you know… They’re into that too. :P).

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    Neeneko says:

    If GP had mod points, I would be spending some on your post ^_^

    One of the classic failing of fringish groups is they have real trouble ‘sticking together’.. it is one of the reasons that concervative groups (and thier unity) tend to do so well but liberal ones falter so often.

    I am a member of several such communities, and rather then supporting eachother I see a lot of ‘at least we are not them!’ going on.  And with each group throwing the others to the wolves, adult’s right to access media gets weaker.

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    Ghost Coins says:

    Oddly enough, I didn’t find much in’s terms of service that would give them clout to pull it down without getting a touch of flak from some folks.  First and foremost, the seller is independent of, and they claim that they are not responsible for anything those sellers post (in their condition of use there is a stark lack of guidelines as to what cannot be sold), but ask that those sellers follow their rather fluid guidelines.  Furthermore, I question the brilliance of posting a DIRECT LINK to the "offending" sales site in the Belfast Telegraph (the "it’s hideous, evil and wrong, so here, take a peek" logic fails).

      Lastly, A quick dig through the internet, to find out more about the ‘studio’ that created this piece of garbage reveals that the game was released in early/mid 2006.  To paint all of an industry with what appears to be all of two copies of a rather repugnant game created two years ago is neither timely nor relevant, and is painting with a broad brush.

    @ GP: I am curious as to what "appropriate steps" you believe should take in light of a third party creating a piece of media that is irrepresentative of a forum at large.  Should they begin to cut out those who sell merchandise that they disagree with on a moralistic level?

    While I do not agree with the contents of the hentai market, are they not allowed to peddle their wares to consenting individuals in the same manner that any other provider of a somewhat questionable media could do with an equal amount of protection under the law of the land?

    Individuals, who shall remain nameless, have cried about the corruption of our youth through video games by citing how the murder, gore, and physical violence depicted in video games (all acts of which are considered hideous crimes in the light of reality) and yet we championed the freedom of speech and recognition of art in this form as a method of protecting those expressions. There is an in game story, of sorts.  There is plot, of sorts.  There is character development, in the most twisted manner imaginable.  Etc.

    Should we now lay down our defenese of electronic media, and those who provide it to the masses, when we do find something reprehensible within our own collective, or do we stand by the medium and allow the courts and choices of informed consumers decide if it is indeed obscene?  Selective rhetoric from GP championing who can and cannot be protected, or at least put through the legal ringers like everyone else feels a touch hollow.  To be frank, I am a little disappointed.


    To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; credible we must be truthful.

    -Edward R. Murrow

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    Mad_Scientist says:

    I was wondering when some gaming critic was going to start paying some attention to some of the more obscure and nasty games you can find in Japan. Was kind of hoping it would never happen. Bah.

    Of course, I’m sure if you want to, you can look at the most obscure porn films out there, and find some pretty horrible things: but no one would try and use that to demonize Hollywood. Sadly, people will try to use games like this to demonize the game industry.

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    Neeneko says:

    This is Amazon.  They have all sorts of illegal stuff for sale through the marketplace.  Given the sheer volume I can’t imagine they have an easy time policing it.  Kinda like ebay.

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    Tony says:

    Although Vaz is generally a loony, he probably has a point here… Amazon isn’t ebay, they can’t disclaim responsibility for what they sell.  They should never have allowed the product to be sold in the first place.

    As a company that trades in the UK they are subject to UK laws, if they want to continue trading.


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