British MP Keith Vaz Criticizes Japanese Rape Game's Availability on Amazon

February 11, 2009 -

Labour MP Keith Vaz has vowed to raise in Parliament the availability of Rapeplay, a Japanese PC game. The hentai title is available on Amazon.com from Hentaiguy, an Amazon re-seller apparently based in New York City.

The Belfast Telegraph reports that the game features graphic depictions of sexual assaults on women and girls.

Contacted by the newspaper, Vaz, a longtime critic of the video game industry, said:

It is intolerable that anyone would purchase a game that simulates the criminal offence of rape. To know that this widely available through a major online retailer is utterly shocking, I do not see how this can be allowed. I will be raising this matter in Parliament and hope that action is taken to prevent the game from being sold.

Vaz also expressed a measure of vindication after being widely criticized last year for saying in Parliament that rape was a feature of some games.

The unrated game, apparently intended for the Japanese market only, is listed by the Amazon re-seller as "used - like new" and retails for $19.99. Only two copies are listed as available.

GP: While we find this game appalling, it is not a product of the U.S. or British video game industry. It is an import which is apparently only available through a single re-seller who specializes in the hentai market. We expect that Amazon will take the appropriate steps to correct the situation. 


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No, I don't believe any such thing, but the fact is, a game without challenge or some kind of conequence for your actions is going to get very boring very quickly, regardless of the subject matter, anyone who enjoys playing a game like this for hours on end without any challenge to it probably has problems in the first place, as I stated in my reply earlier, I don't think this would make someone go out and rape somebody, but, if I movie were released with nothing but scene after scene of girls being raped, with no real storyline, no real motive, simply those scenes, do you think that kind of movie would be acceptable?

I never said the game should be banned because of that lack of consequences, I said that is part of what makes the game dangerous to the Gaming Industry, which is a wholly different matter, as I have said repeatedly, the real danger of this game is its impact on social opinion, which could lead to further reaching consequences than people seem to realise, these arguments that 'If we allow Violence, we should allow rape', work in two directions, the art of compromise is finding middle ground, if we refuse to do so, we place everything in danger, because we give moral crusaders ammunition.

The main reason Games and Videos are not regulated is based on the fact that it is assumed they can regulate themselves to maintain what is socially acceptable. It's not about our personal opinion, never has been, but if that balance tips in either direction, to the point where games get alienated as a medium, the consequences will be extremely far-reaching.

 

It should also be noted that this kind of material is illegal under obscenity laws in the first place.

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Sorry if it's a stupid question, but GoodRobotUs, are you from the UK or America?

Sorry if you're from the UK (which, to be honest, I suspect, sorry if I'm wrong) but as I will drag out the Miller Test.

Now, the Miller Test says:

 - Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
 - Whether the work depicts/describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions specifically defined by applicable state law,
 - Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.

1. Definitely.
2. Oh yeah.

But then we get to 3. And according to the Miller Test, all three must apply in order to be obscene. But it is at 3 where things start to break down for obscenity, as even normal pornography has gotten by, and since it is a game, meaning it had to be planned, drawn, programmed, etc. it could be argued that it most certainly does have some form of artistic value in this way.

Also, while yes, we give those....hmmmm...morallers? *trying to think of an easier name for them* more to use, I think instead, there's not enough fight going against them in higher positions. Sure, we certainly do enough via internet, or in stuff like the debates with JT, or through organizations such as the ESA. But there needs to be more protest against them, publically. They're not having enough challenge, and we should give them more. There simply isn't enough collective publically/legistlative(ly?) recognized voices to suppress theirs.

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I am from the UK, but I'll try address your concerns anyway.

I'm not certain this would pass part 3 of the Miller Test to be honest, whilst yes, it contains elements that require artistic skill to create, the third article of the Miller Test specifically states the article 'taken as a whole', not the elements within it, and I personally wouldn't want to debate that in court, it could go either way.

Whilst I agree that not enough is being done to represent the rights of the gaming industry in either Government, I'm not sure I could defend this, it'd be like trying to defend snuff Videos in a way, even if the people are not 'real' as such.

I do understand where people are coming from with regards to Freedom of Speech, but, at least to my way of thinking, defending the Industry means ensuring it has exactly the same rights as any other Media format. A Video game with a rape scene in it wouldn't actually annoy me any more than a movie with a rape scene in it, as long as that scene was required to present the story involved, however, defending a game that was designed purely to depict rape would be the same, to me, as defending a video that contained nothing but rape scenes, from a personal level, I'd find that very hard to do.

Now, don't get me wrong, I like handcuffs and feathers as much as the next red-blooded guy, if it's consentual, I'm willing to live and let live, and yes, it could be argued that things like the events in GTA are not consentual acts, but then, Indiana Jones shooting a sword-wielding assassin wasn't consentual either, but I think theres a difference in societies reaction to violence, which has been with us in the form of the 'Hero' or even the 'Anti-Hero' and the act of Rape, which, whilst having been around for just as long, would be a lot harder to convince society in general as being 'ok' to depict in such an indelicate and gratuitous manner.

It's a question of finding the median between the two sides, Freedom of Speech and Acceptance by Society. It's not perfect, and it probably never will be, but we are far more likely to be accepted if we admit that there are two sides to the argument, and show that we are not simply promoting Freedom of Speech because we want to get our own way and allow absolutely anything through, but because we actually believe that, whilst no games are harmful, there are some things that really should not be depicted as a game out of respect for societies feelings.

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Well, in my opinion, I don't think there should be a middle ground between the two. That, it should be all or nothing. Take things that are considered to be really extreme. It doesn't matter what, whatever comes to your mind. See, while I may not enjoy it, even find it incredibly strange, even disgusting, I would still support it as long as no other laws are broken (obscenity aside, of course), such as nonconcentuality, actual rape, um, hold on, I just had it in mind and now I lost it...oh, or say something like, be it REALLY extreme, murder. I mean, even if it was something like necrophiliac porn, I'd support it as a right (my thinking her, is just take an actress and have her try to remain really still, or replace her with a dummy, or whatever, as long as it's not an actual dead person).

I mean, I can certainly understand where you are coming from. Yeah, I definitely don't blame you for your opinion on it.

I find it's because, society tends to be too biased, too focused on a set morality of culture or society, where tolerance for anyone outside of that can be very difficult. Also, I'm REALLY liberal. My idea is, society, maybe not accept, but rather, tolerate, all deviances, unless it brings actual harm to others. That is when, the line should be drawn, is when there is actual harm on another person who did not agree to that harm in the first place.

Even if society as a whole doesn't think something is "okay," it shouldn't matter. As long as, well, as I just said, it doesn't bring nonconcentual harm to another, unintentional or otherwise.

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GoodRobotUs said, “If a movie were released with nothing but scene after scene of girls being raped, with no real storyline, no real motive, simply those scenes, do you think that kind of movie would be acceptable?”
 
Yes, I do. I wouldn’t watch it (I doubt that many people would) but I wouldn’t say, “This is the exception to freedom of expression”. Either way, I expect that company wouldn’t last too long.
 
And actually, I’ve cheated my way through many games. I’ve even switched on God-Mode and gone on a killing spree, for hours, on GTA. What sort of problems do you believe I have? I’m rather intrigued, I must admit.
 
As for the rest, I see what you mean. You’re worried about it setting a bad precedent for games all around? I agree with you there but… well, unfortunately, that would be freedom of expression at work. Developers, directors and all the rest aren’t required to pander to the public’s view and that's their right. It'd probably bite them in the end however, without the need for government intervention.

Oh and I'm not going to get into a debate over obscenity laws. What this or that country may consider "obscene" varies and frankly as long as none of it is forced down our throats, I don't see the problem with it. I write that with a tepid hand however as I’m not exactly sure of what some obscenity laws include and so am not clear as to what I might be condoning.

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I didn't say this wasn't a horrible game (Go read the something awfull review, it will make your jaw drop) but, we can't pick and choose where we draw the line. Besided the more we all hype the game, the better off it will be.

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I'll agree that my own personal feelings for the game are secondary, I'm merely exercising my right to take offence, however, my larger concern is the fact that Media should be treated equally, and that something like this will cause outrage in the general public. If we make excuses for this kind of game, then we are also making excuses for rape Videos etc.

That said, I agree that paying it attention is more than it deserves, so I'll agree that we have slightly different views on the matter and leave it at that :)

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I'm sorry what's the issue with this game? We fictionally kill people in video games all the time it doesn't mean you support the real thing. Which is what all of us have been saying.

So what THIS is wrong? It's ok we can kill people in GTA, rip humans spines out in Mortal Kombat, We enjoy Pride Fighting, but this is wrong?

This isn't even a mainstream game we're looking at. You being appaled is hardly even justifiable... It's a little disgusting to see you say videogames are ok because they are fictional and don't encourage real violence, but you wish for this to be swiftly dealt with... Great job jumping about the Thompson Hypocrocy boat.

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It's not a question of personal feeling, it's a question of what is acceptable by society in general, in Japan, they are fine with it, and that is up to them, but in the UK, there is a world of difference between depicting make believe violence and make-believe rape. Even in the movies there is a difference between the two, because of the attitude of society toward it.

In games like GTA, the violence is totally untargetted, you can attack anyone of any race, gender or profession, and bear the consequences of it, however this game is specifically targetted to a certain gender, there is no risk, no challenge involved, it is nothing more than self-gratification and there is a definite objectification of women involved.

Yes, in Mortal Kombat you can rip someone's spine out, but then, if you don't succeed, you may well suffer the same fate, in GTA IV you can run someone over, but if you do, you are pursued by the Police. There's a wealth of difference between the 'Risk Trade' of violent games and this, and society in the West is most certainly not prepared to accept the kind of mentality behind a game like this.

My own feelings are 'Thank God for that!', you may or may not agree, but our own personal feelings on the matter are secondary.

So yes, I find it appalling and I hope it gets dealt with swiftly, Snuff Videos are illegal, Rape Videos are illegal, but Fantasy Violent Videos are not, nor are BDSM Videos, that's because of a little thing called 'consent'.

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There are video games where you rape men as well, or can choose. It's not what culture finds morally objectionable. We've been saying "It's fake, not real, there are no real victems." There are no real victems here. Sorry if it offends your sensibilities but what exactly is wrong here? That someone finds fictional rape arousing or amusing? And almost all porn is targetted towards men there are still women who enjoy this kind of thing.

And some of us like to put ourselfs in the submissive or recieving end not that that matters to you as you'll probably come up with a response about how sick we are now.

Oh but hey thanks for setting the boundries for us. Fictional violence is ok, so long as it's not sexual, targeted at any specific gender, and you don't feel its discremenetory.

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'And some of us like to put ourselfs in the submissive or recieving end not that that matters to you as you'll probably come up with a response about how sick we are now.'

As I said in my last post 'CONSENTUAL'. Look it up.

'Oh but hey thanks for setting the boundries for us. Fictional violence is ok, so long as it's not sexual, targeted at any specific gender, and you don't feel its discremenetory.'

Nope. The boundaries are that make believe violence, and even rape are ok as Story-Telling tools, but a game designed to objectify a Gender, a Race or even a Religion is not acceptable by society, and is likely to cause severe trouble for the gaming industry if such a thing became mainstream.

Now, stop being a rude, offensive little pillock and trying to slip insults into every other paragraph.

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So those cartoon characters didn't give consent?

Can cartoon characters give consent for anything?

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Actually, I don't really see it as objectifying anything per say. I mean, isn't the idea of objectivity subjective?

The way I see it, is it is not real. It is not promoting anything; it's an erotic fantasy, an animated one, no less. If you see, and think of women as things, and property, then you already had the mental state of sexism, you already thought that, either aware of your position or not.

I find it much like what I said about racism in RE5; it's "present" because someone wants there to be racism. They want these problems to exist even if they do not.

Or, take for example, Passion of the Christ. I'm not Christian, I will admit I haven't seen it, and I have no interest in seeing it. However, I could argue, it is objectifying the religion for profit. And it is most certainly accepted, of course (well, among Christians and many other Americans).

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"a game designed to objectify a Gender, a Race or even a Religion is not acceptable by society, and is likely to cause severe trouble for the gaming industry if such a thing became mainstream."

Rubbish!  In CoD4 and any number of modern combat games the game objectifies arabs and the player goes around killing as many of them as possible.  How is that not the same thing?

Look, if you see rape games as objectionable, you have to see murder or war games as similarly objectionable.  All of these games objectify race, religion, nationality and gender.  In what way is raping women in a game worse than killing arabs in a game?  In what way is rape in this game worse than torturing and murdering prisoners in CoD:WAW?  Even in the real world murder is considered worse than rape.

In a game, morality is not an issue because no one is really getting raped, tortured, bullied or objectified.  Games are not real.

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The game depicts radicals that are trying to kill you, who happen to be Arabs because of the area it is set in, much as Resident Evil is set in Africa and therefore depicts dark-skinned Africans. I haven't played CoD 4, but I doubt greatly that you can walk around killing people purely because they are Arabs, otherwise, I suspect, we'd have heard a lot more about the fact than we have.

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And I'll add to that:

If two people want to do 'role playing' and it is consentual between the two, I don't have the slightest problem with that, it is their lives, their choice and their freedom to do so, so before you start judging me by what you percieve me to be, try actually reading what I am saying.

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Why don't you place a trade embargo on Japan then?

What's considered "moral" differs from culture to culture.  We like our hardcore and BSDM sex....and they like their rape, futa, and scat.  Doesn't make anyone "right", now does it?

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The UK recently did something similar already with BDSM already. They'll probably do something similar to rape among other forms of pornography as well. It is now illegal to watch, get aroused by or participate in BDSM.


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Many times, I am extremely thankful we have the First Amendment here in the United States.  It does allow idiots and bigots to spew their hatred, but it also means that the speech that I value is also not banned.

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Well, rape, scat and futa are not really exclusive for japanese. Western countries already have those things before hentai were widely know.

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I would wager the Japanese company is loving the free publicity that they are getting from the British MP and the likely increased sales as people are curious as to what games they produce.  Anyway, why is it ok to run around and kill people in a game but anything sex(much less rape) is bad (in the context that you can go to Best Buy and get a game that has mass killing but never see a game with a boob though down the aisle you can get a movie with some nudity)?  Not saying there should or should not be nudity in games, but double standards are not cool.  Anyway with the way the internet is, even if Amazon pulled the game off their website, it isn't like someone who wants to buy this hentai game cant get one at one off the likely many japanese culture /gaming/etc stores online.

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To tell you the truth, I'd rather have a guy wank off to this instead of prowling the streets, looking for his next target.

...Hey, wasn't there a study done by the FBI, or somebody, showing the amount of sexual crimes committed in the past years? And wasn't the graphed results placed along side another graph showing the amount of porn sites created or hentai games out on the market in the past few years? Does anyone know/remember what I'm talking about, or am I just talking out of my ass?

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There was a Penn & Teller episode where someone produced evidence that the existence of standard Pornographic material created a reduction in the number of sexual offences commited, but I don't think it referred to the more 'avant garde' style of pornography.

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Penn and Teller could produce 'evidence' that the sky was puce green with pink polka dots if it suited their worldview.  Their show is a joke and anyone who thinks they use 'evidence' in their shows is gullible enough to believe almost anything.

A truly scientific study on the issue could not possibly be done - there are just too many variables.  I'm more than willing to believe that porn reduces people's willingness to commit sex-related offenses, but to say there is 'evidence' supporting that belief is nonsense.

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Example?

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What proof do you have that they always twist facts to suit their agenda? Do you personally work for bullshit or what? You seem hellbent against Penn and Teller for whatever stupid reason (do tell me what personal belief you like that they bashed that made you so anti Penn and teller).

Oh and to the op they showed a correlation and nothing more, then immediately admitted that it was a correlation and proved nothing.

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He asked, I supplied what I knew, I'm not stating an opinion on whether I consider that evidence to be correct or not.

Why has everyone got a pineapple up their arses today?

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It's not an illegal good per se. It is just that the good came through a channel not appropriate for Amazon's target audience, and that Vaz is seeing this as if it was a daily occurence for Amazon.

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Not strictly illegal, true, but I suspect that's more due to the fact that such a case has never been bought to court.

That said, as I you say, Vaz is trying to take a one-off incident of something being sold that is a part of the culture in another country (whether I agree with it or not) in a country in which such things are not acceptable, and attempting to twist it to make it sound like such things are commonly availalable, with a complete misrepresentation of the truth.

There was a kind of precedent set for this kind of thing when someone released a story containing violent sexual acts against a Girl-Band, and was arrested for it. Whilst part of that case centred around the fact that the girls in question were real people, I wouldn't be surprised to see a case against this game hold up in court if it were bought there.

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The catch with the girl band thing was that everybody involved, bar the web host, was based in the UK. In this case everybody involved is in the US, and there's not a lot the UK government can do.

Other than that, it's legal to buy foreign media in that hasn't been through the UK ratings board, so long as you don't re-sell it. Unless Vaz uses this as a springboard to push new laws, not a lot's going to happen here.

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Is this the same Japan that Thompson accused of performing a 'second Pearl Harbor' on the US with the stuff that is legally sold there?

 

Anyway, that aside, illegal goods are illegal, and him claiming vindication for something being illegal is like trying to say that, because snuff Videos exist, that vindicates claiming that general release videos contain snuff scenes, i.e. Pushing the definition to beyond breaking point.

 

That said, this kind of thing is pretty apalling, and I hope it gets dealt with swiftly.

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If Vaz is conerned about children gettign their hands on this game, amybe he can explain to us where the child is getting the money or credit card.

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Huh. I wish I knew enough about Japanese Culture to speak eloquently about how acceptable Rape-Fantasy is to anyone of open sexual mind over there. Maybe its just a cultural thing that we are shocked that a game like this could exist. 

Mind you, should we be? I mean, fuck sakes; before Rapeplay ever found its way into the US markets from japan, years ago going waaaaay back it was a US Publisher called Mystique that programmed and had a limited release for Custers Revenge. Its not like rape is that new in video games, even if it is still shocking. And not that it makes it acceptable either. Regretfully, it seems to be just another one of those things that came around once before and is bound to come around again.

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Not to get on Vaz's case but, um, He kinda missed the boat on Rapelay. Any search of ANY bittorrent site has DOZENS and DOZENS of links to it and other hentai material, rape and non rape. Sorry, but vaz Going after this game is sorta like someone Going after playboy, in as much as in the Japanese market, games like this are fairly common. In fact, the game company in question, Illusion, Makes quite a few games, many of which feature some amount of non consenual sexual activity. Theres many more companies that make games similiar to this. They are only japan, and NOT made  avalible to a wider public sale by either the US or UK game industry. Vaz needs to be sued by the Industry for Smear if tries to pin this one them.

 

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Wow, after 2 decades, they are finally recognizing the influence of japanese culture. And now they'll try and stop it.

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Hey there has been rape in video games, look at Sonic The Hedgehog. They've been raping him since Sonic Heroes.

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Ouch...funny but ouch!

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Rapelay is honestly not that extreme as far as this stuff goes, I've seen some clips from it and, while bizare I can't really say that it looks like rape unless you can understand what the characters say.

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Hell, I've played it and it's really not that bad. IIRC most of the endings involve you getting killed anyway, because RAEP IZ RONG!

Vaz needs to get his panties un-knotted. It's not like it's generally available and it's a product of an entirely different market. what's next? is he going to ban anime because of all the huge breasts on underage girls?

The poor guy would have a heart attack if he saw the Bible Black game or watched the last episode of Excel Saga.

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Throw in something with both rape and loli, that'll do more than give him a heart attack.

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Rapelay has Loli in it, lol.

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Really, I didn't know that. My bad, then. Still doesn't change my opinion on anything.

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RapeLay puts the LOL on Loli

Wonder if he knows it has unlockable incestuous loli rape gangbangs (true!)...

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"It is intolerable that anyone would purchase a game that simulates the criminal offence of rape."

Tough rocks pal.  If I want to play a Rapeplay, that's my business, not yours.

If I want to watch I Spit On Your Grave, that's my business, not yours.

If you don't like it, save your dough and don't play it.

 

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I was wondering when some gaming critic was going to start paying some attention to some of the more obscure and nasty games you can find in Japan. Was kind of hoping it would never happen. Bah.

Of course, I'm sure if you want to, you can look at the most obscure porn films out there, and find some pretty horrible things: but no one would try and use that to demonize Hollywood. Sadly, people will try to use games like this to demonize the game industry.

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Oddly enough, I didn't find much in Amazon.com's terms of service that would give them clout to pull it down without getting a touch of flak from some folks.  First and foremost, the seller is independent of Amazon.com, and they claim that they are not responsible for anything those sellers post (in their condition of use there is a stark lack of guidelines as to what cannot be sold), but ask that those sellers follow their rather fluid guidelines.  Furthermore, I question the brilliance of posting a DIRECT LINK to the "offending" sales site in the Belfast Telegraph (the "it's hideous, evil and wrong, so here, take a peek" logic fails).

  Lastly, A quick dig through the internet, to find out more about the 'studio' that created this piece of garbage reveals that the game was released in early/mid 2006.  To paint all of an industry with what appears to be all of two copies of a rather repugnant game created two years ago is neither timely nor relevant, and is painting with a broad brush.

@ GP: I am curious as to what "appropriate steps" you believe amazon.com should take in light of a third party creating a piece of media that is irrepresentative of a forum at large.  Should they begin to cut out those who sell merchandise that they disagree with on a moralistic level?

While I do not agree with the contents of the hentai market, are they not allowed to peddle their wares to consenting individuals in the same manner that any other provider of a somewhat questionable media could do with an equal amount of protection under the law of the land?

Individuals, who shall remain nameless, have cried about the corruption of our youth through video games by citing how the murder, gore, and physical violence depicted in video games (all acts of which are considered hideous crimes in the light of reality) and yet we championed the freedom of speech and recognition of art in this form as a method of protecting those expressions. There is an in game story, of sorts.  There is plot, of sorts.  There is character development, in the most twisted manner imaginable.  Etc.

Should we now lay down our defenese of electronic media, and those who provide it to the masses, when we do find something reprehensible within our own collective, or do we stand by the medium and allow the courts and choices of informed consumers decide if it is indeed obscene?  Selective rhetoric from GP championing who can and cannot be protected, or at least put through the legal ringers like everyone else feels a touch hollow.  To be frank, I am a little disappointed.

 

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If GP had mod points, I would be spending some on your post ^_^

One of the classic failing of fringish groups is they have real trouble 'sticking together'.. it is one of the reasons that concervative groups (and thier unity) tend to do so well but liberal ones falter so often.

I am a member of several such communities, and rather then supporting eachother I see a lot of 'at least we are not them!' going on.  And with each group throwing the others to the wolves, adult's right to access media gets weaker.

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If he can show me what the ESRB/PEGI rated this game I'll send him $1000.

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Re: British MP Keith Vaz Criticizes Japanese Rape Game's ...

Uhh...Wow. You would really have to wonder who in their right minds would create a game like that, and the people who enjoy it. Whatever floats your boat DOES apply here, but there are limits.

Even thought limited copies are available, something like that just can't really be sold ANYWHERE without uproar. I just hope Amazon gets this corrected before more false things are said about video games...


Re: British MP Keith Vaz Criticizes Japanese Rape Game's ...

Yeah, no offense, you're getting really close to hypocritism. I know a bunch of people, male and female, who sometimes like rape in hentai, or pretend rape during sex. There's nothing wrong with them either. They're just like everyone else.

And the same thing is said about us, don't forget. "How can anyone enjoy something with such excessive violence? They must be sick!"

 
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quiknkoldagain, I dont accept any apology when I cant see their face when they give it to me. He needs to do a video, or do something positive like charity or whatever.10/22/2014 - 7:15am
Michael ChandraBut that's the case with every apology, isn't it?10/22/2014 - 5:57am
Michael ChandraDon't get me wrong. The guy from Gawker screwed up, and he acknowledged that and apologized. Whether people believe him is a second thing.10/22/2014 - 5:57am
Michael ChandraTranslation: "We screwed up but are denying it by saying we don't support groups that bully despite us doing exactly what such a group wanted us to do."10/22/2014 - 5:51am
InfophileAdobe: "Adobe sent Ars an e-mail that said, "Please read our Twitter response to this matter.""... You do realize Twitter isn't the best platform for an official response, right?10/22/2014 - 4:23am
Technogeekprh99: Gamergate and Adobe deserve each other.10/22/2014 - 2:55am
Andrew EisenAdam McKay directed cartoon about income inequality. https://screen.yahoo.com/we-the-economy/inequality-1-unbelievable-sweet-alpacas-175411663.html10/21/2014 - 8:54pm
prh99Bit.ly Maintainance here is the original http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/10/after-gamergate-tweet-adobe-distances-itself-from-gawker-bullying/10/21/2014 - 8:39pm
prh99Adobe calls out Gawker for GG bullying and backpedals...sort of. http://bit.ly/1pyM4Yg10/21/2014 - 8:35pm
Neo_DrKefkaThanks James. Means a lot.10/21/2014 - 7:24pm
prh99Nothing that hasn't been said.10/21/2014 - 6:52pm
Andrew EisenHaven't read it yet. I'm sharing this because I love the header image. http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2014/10/gamergate-should-stop-lying-to-itself.html10/21/2014 - 3:39pm
james_fudgeYou are one of us, you're a GPer, not a GGer :)10/21/2014 - 2:27pm
james_fudgeNeo_DrKefka: half of them don't know who that is, so no worries :)10/21/2014 - 2:27pm
Andrew EisenUpdate to the Paranautical Activity story. Dev leaves the studio. http://codeavarice.com/post/100592709238/mike-is-leaving-code-avarice10/21/2014 - 1:52pm
quiknkoldI'm sure you are, Andrew10/21/2014 - 1:44pm
Andrew EisenNintendo announced the Link amiibo is compatible with Hyrule Warriors. No idea how Nintendo expects anyone to give a toss if it don't tell us what it does. Then again, maybe I'm just being curmudgeonly.10/21/2014 - 1:25pm
Neo_DrKefkaSo Gamergate compared me to leftist Saul Alnsky....ME off all the people10/21/2014 - 1:16pm
IanCWell.... quite.10/21/2014 - 1:10pm
Andrew EisenWell of course. Girls don't buy figurines and guys don't buy figurines of girls. And no, the girls that buy figurines and the guys that buy figurines of girls don't count. The money belongs on the table, thank you very much!10/21/2014 - 12:43pm
 

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