GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And Things Take a Bizarre Turn

February 13, 2009 -

In recent weeks GamePolitics has devoted a substantial amount of ink to H.B. 353, the video game bill currently under consideration in Utah.

Yesterday, GP spoke with Rep. Mike Morley (R), the sponsor of the measure in the Utah House of Representatives. Morley offered his take on the proposal, which would amend the state's existing truth in advertising law to encompass products such as video games and movies which have age-based content recommendations.

Under Morley's bill, retailers who advertise that they won't sell certain types of content to minors and then do so would be at risk for false advertising claims.

Things got rather strange after the interview, as you will see. It's an instructive lesson in Utah power politics, among other things.

PART I: THE INTERVIEW

GP: Rep. Morley, can you address the origins of H.B. 353?

MM:  I think that there’s a general concern that there are mature video games that are not appropriate for children but somehow end up in the hands of children, even despite best efforts of parents. And I think other friends and peers talk about some of [the games] that would be very inappropriate and they go in and purchase those. So the idea is simply to try to encourage retailers to live by their own policies, if they have those policies in place, and monitor that to the best of their ability.

It’s a small incremental step, and it’s not  - I think we’ve taken it in a direction that I don’t know has been taken before. And it’s not, I don’t think it encroaches into the free speech or any of those areas. We’re not saying that, if a video retailer has a policy to go ahead and sell to minors, then that’s fine, there’s nothing that we can do about that. But if they purport to not sell to minors and they do that as a matter of practice I think that this just calls attention to that.

GP:  What would be the penalties under the proposal if, for example a company said that they wouldn’t sell an M-rated game to a minor and one did get sold. What would be the penalty for that?

MM: Well, I don’t know if one got sold, I think we’re looking at it as a matter of practice. But it’s not trying to be a sting operation. What it does is that it basically opens [game retailers] up to the same code and the same civil penalties – it’s not a criminal action.  So it would be the same penalties that they would be subjected to if they engaged in any other truth in advertising problem or claim. I’m not certain what the penalty is but it would be the same as any truth in advertising claim in Utah.

GP: I track the video game industry on a daily basis. They have made some strides over the last few years in their enforcement levels as measured by the Federal Trade Commission in enforcing their ratings. I think it was up to [an] 80% success rate in the most recent FTC report, and that's been increasing every year. Is there a concern that if now they have to feel like they are on the hook for this [new law], they may just not participate, [they may not bother to] say that they don’t sell games to minors. Is there a concern about that?

MM: I don’t think so. I think that most all retailers, in fact most all of the large ones have entered into a pledge not to do that. I think it encourages them to enforce their own standards and encourages them to be a little bit vigilant and say, hey, let’s not do this. But obviously, if they decide that [promising not to sell to minors] is too onerous, and they decide that that’s not a claim that they want to make, then, there would be no penalty under this provision.

(hit the jump for the rest...)

 

GP: Was this something that was an issue for you in the past? How did you come to bring this bill [before the legislature]?

MM: Last year I had a similar – a bill about pornography and about web presence, that kind of thing. Families for Decency, Eagle Forum, others have been champions of this cause in Utah. I’ve been a supporter of the effort. This is just another idea or effort to try to bring some consistency and to try to keep or at least help parents to protect their kids against games that they may not feel could be appropriate. Obviously in this situation if the parents thought the game was appropriate for their children they could go in and buy it and present it to them. There’s no penalty and were not trying to legislate what parents can do with their kids.

[Unintelligible] we recognize that these ratings are not governmental ratings and that they’re also ratings that are given by voluntary groups. So it’s not cut in stone. But I think it’s a good indication and I think as responsible retailers and responsible citizens we ought to be able to expect that if they’re claiming that they’re going to be kid-friendly and family-friendly and not promote or sell these kinds of games to minors, then they ought to work to enforce those policies.

GP: You mentioned the Utah Eagle Forum. Did they approach you in regard to drafting this legislation? Did that originate with them?

MM: They were one party that has been supportive of it, yes.

GP:  I saw some comments that you made to Glen Warchol of the Salt Lake Tribune.

MM: I did talk to him, but I did not see what he wrote.

GP: There’s only one quote [from you] there: “This approach is constitutional. Will it be effective? Maybe not.” On the same day the Deseret News published an article about [the bill]. It said that you weren’t able to get a feel for the level of enthusiasm among your colleagues for the bill. How is that going? What are you hearing from colleagues in the Utah House at this point?

MM: I think it will be accepted well. I just got a draft and got language out. We haven’t had any hearings on it yet. So at this point, I haven’t heard any concerns from colleagues. I think it will be well accepted. I would be speaking out of turn to tell you that I’ve run it by the entire body and that they’re all in support. At this point I don’t know yet. But I think the concept is a good one. It’s not a big hammer.

I don’t know if Glen quoted me correctly. I may have said, it remains to be seen, obviously, whether it’s going to have a major or minor effect. But I think it brings some attention to the issue. It’s not a big hammer that everybody’s going to be happy with. I have spoken with the Utah retailers and I’ve spoken with their lobbyists and received their input in the drafting of the legislation and at this point they are not opposing the legislation. Now that may change, but at this point they’re not.

GP: The bill, we understand, was drafted by Jack Thompson, is that correct?

MM: No, actually. The bill was drafted by leg[islative] research here in Utah. Some of the concepts were given, but the language was mine.

GP: If the bill wasn’t drafted, it was conceived by Thompson? Would that be that fair to say?

MM: I have never met Jack. I’ve received a few e-mails with some input. But the concept was something that I’ve been working with Eagle Forum on for several months. So I don’t know to what level he has input.

GP: As I understand it, his take on his input is basically that he created the bill or drafted it. I guess that it’s been subsequently reworded by the legislative people, but that’s my understanding.

MM: As I indicated, I’ve never met him. So I don’t know to what level he has involvement. I know from others that he has been active in this for years and has tried a number of approaches, many of which have been unconstitutional. And so I’m aware of that.

GP: When will the hearings be for the bill, do you expect?

MM: I would expect within the next week or so we’ll have a House hearing on it.

GP:  And who would you expect might testify on behalf of the bill at that hearing?

MM: I would expect that there would be a number of child advocacy groups that would probably take a position on it.

GP: Do you expect the Utah Eagle Forum to testify?

MM: Oh, I’m sure that that they would testify.

GP: Do you expect Jack Thompson to testify?

MM: I don’t know if he is going to try to come to testify or not.

GP: Did the [Utah] Attorney General’s office look over the legislation and give you an opinion on it?

MM: They feel like we handled the constitutional issues. I’m not going to speak for them but in general I think they liked this approach much better than things that have been tried in the past.

GP: Rep. Morley, I appreciate your time.

PART II - THE THREATS

So, that was the interview. Frankly I was surprised that Rep. Morley seemed to give Jack Thompson so little credit for the bill. So I sent Thompson the relevant segment of the interview transcript and asked him to comment.

At that point, things began to get, um, interesting. Rather than try to explain, I will let the remarkable sequence of e-mails which followed speak for themselves:


From: Dennis McCauley
To: 'Jack Thompson'
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:05 AM
Subject: GP interview with Rep. Morley upcoming. Care to comment?

(cut & paste of interview transcript)

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From: Jack Thompson
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:35 AM
To: Dennis McCauley
Subject: Re: GP interview with Rep. Morley upcoming. Care to comment?


You can contact Gayle Ruzicka and determine that this take by Mr. Morley is not correct.

 

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From: Jack Thompson
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:39 AM
To: Dennis McCauley
Subject: Re: GP interview with Rep. Morley upcoming. Care to comment?

You run that without talking to Gayle Ruzicka, and I'll sue you for libel.

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From: Dennis McCauley
To: 'Jack Thompson'
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:53 AM
Subject: RE: GP interview with Rep. Morley upcoming. Care to comment?

Well, I am asking you for comment.

There’s nothing libelous there.

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From: Dennis McCauley
To: 'Jack Thompson'
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: GP interview with Rep. Morley upcoming. Care to comment?

I would be willing to talk to Gayle about this, although probably not before publication.

I have no contact info for her, however. Can you provide?

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From: Jack Thompson
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:21 PM
To: Dennis McCauley
Subject: Re: GP interview with Rep. Morley upcoming. Care to comment?

Of course it's libelous.  Your lawyer could explain it to you.  Talk to Gayle Ruzicka at 801-xxx-xxxx first or else.

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From: Jack Thompson
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:48 PM
To: dennis McCauley
Subject:

Rep. Morley is going to email you and correct your errnoneous [sic] interview.

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From: Dennis McCauley
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 1:07 PM
To: 'Jack Thompson'
Subject: RE:

That will be interesting, because the interview is *recorded*.

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From: Jack Thompson
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 1:12 PM
To: dennis McCauley
Subject: RE: GP interview with Rep. Morley upcoming. Care to comment?

Morley wants to talk to you.  Your interview is libelous, because it is false and defamatory.

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From: Dennis McCauley
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 1:31 PM
To: 'Jack Thompson'
Subject: RE: GP interview with Rep. Morley upcoming. Care to comment?

If Gayle wants to weigh in, have her e-mail me with her comments. After all of this nonsense and these threats, I want a written record.

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From: Dennis McCauley
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 1:31 PM
To: 'Jack Thompson'
Subject: RE: GP interview with Rep. Morley upcoming. Care to comment?

Morley has my e-mail and my phone number.

But the interview stands. I’ll report on his additional comments, if he cares to make them.

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From: Dennis McCauley
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 1:53 PM
To: 'Jack Thompson'
Subject: RE: GP interview with Rep. Morley upcoming. Care to comment?

So, is this about who gets credit for creating the bill?

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From: Dennis McCauley
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:09 PM
To: 'mikemorley@utah.gov'
Subject: regarding our interview
Importance: High

Rep. Morley:

I have been threatened with legal action by Jack Thompson over the interview that you did with me on Thursday.

Not that I place much stock in these threats, but is there something regarding that interview you wish to clarify?

Regards,

Dennis McCauley
Editor
GamePolitics.com

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From: Mike Morley
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:26 PM
To: dennis@gamepolitics.com
Subject: Re: regarding our interview

Give me a call
801 xxx-xxxx
 

PART III - THE RE-INTERVIEW

While I never doubted that Thompson had substantial input on the Utah bill, it seems that conservative power broker Gayle Ruzicka of the Utah Eagle Forum had "a chat" with Rep. Morley to bring him up to speed regarding Thompson's involvement with the bill.

GP: You wanted to let me know something about [Jack] Thompson’s involvement [in H.B. 353] apparently?

MM: Yes. In speaking with Gayle Ruzicka from Eagle Forum, she indicated that Jack has been involved in the concept and involved in meeting with the Lt. Governor, has been here to Utah. I was not in Utah when he came, but he met with the Lt. Governor, met with some of the legislative staff. And at least the concept of what we’re working on apparently originated with him.

The language of the bill was done with legislative research and general counsel and has been modified a little bit, has been reviewed by the local A.G. and some retail representatives (5 sec interruption caused by doorbell and dogs barking on my end)… apparently he did have a considerable involvement in the effort.

GP: Thompson did.

MM: Yes, Thompson.

GP: Thanks for making that clarification. Anything else you want to add?

MM: I’m working with the group to try to put something together that makes sense and that is rational and will continue to work to that end.

GP: And how was Ms. Ruzicka with all of this?

MM: I think that she’s very supportive of the effort. She has encouraged me. When I talked to Gayle she basically said, “We’ll support, as long as you don’t do something that we’re opposed to. But this is your bill and this is your effort.” And that’s really the only way that I would run it. If I don’t have the ability to do what I need to do with my bill, then I’m not interested in being the primary sponsor.

GP: So, she’s also very supportive of Mr. Thompson, apparently.

MM: You’d have to talk to her about that.  She’s very supportive of his vision and effort, I’m sure. And quite honestly, just to clarify one thing. I talked to Jack Thompson on the phone, just recently. He seems like a fine individual. I don’t have anything negative to say about him. Haven’t had extensive involvement with him, nor do I know him personally but I…[Morley’s cell phone dropped the call]…

PART IV - ONE FINAL e-MAIL

After his cell phone dropped the call, Rep. Morley followed up with this:

From: Mike Morley
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:55 PM
To: dennis@gamepolitics.com
Subject: Re: regarding our interview

I just wanted to say that I support the Mr Thompson's concept in the form I currently have it drafted and applaud his enthusiasm in the effort to help parents and retailers keep games age appropriate.
Thanks

UPDATE: Glen Warchol of the Salt Lake Tribune has picked up on the story...


Comments

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

"JT seemed like a fine individual."

 

Dennis, please email the good Rep some of JT's greatest hits excerpted from his disbarment proceeding, I'm sure Rep Morley would find them quite illuminating.

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

You can be sued for lible if your statements in are false.  There are 2 exceptions. 

1) If the information you publish is completely true, (ie. The suspect was arested.)

or

2) the statement is atributed to the source. (ie. Police say they have captured the man accued of murder.)

GamePolitics's entire article was, a transcribed interview between Rep. Mike Morley and GP, which means all quotes from Morley and Thompson was atributed to the source.  Therefore Thompson would have no ground for lawsuit agianst GP.  If he were to sue anyone it would be Morley, which goes into another aspect of law that I won't discuss here.  Additionaly the tape of the interview would be more then enough to clear GP of any libel. 

At the same time, It is in GP and Dennis McCauley best interest as a journalist to make sure all of the statements are as acurate as possible.  To allow Thompson, Ruzicka, and Morley to have there input is not nessecary from a legal standpoint, but in the best interst of journalistic integrety in order to provide the full story, and for that, Mr Thompson should be happy to be included. 

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

JT, epic fail since the late 1990's.  Sorry it looks like JT will not win this one.

"You run that without talking to Gayle Ruzicka, and I'll sue you for libel."

Wow, JT think he can sue even though he can't.

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

I left someting that Describes JT , Utah eagle forum and Mike morely very well, It's in the very current JT thread

For those who are too lazy to get there, Scroll to :49


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZNPxxRU4Wc

Jackie poo- Dark Helmet

Mike morely Phillip A-hole, Major A-hole

and the rest you fill in

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

This is too confusing for me. Jack i don't understand how someone like you can keep doing this when you at a point of defeat.

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

A thought just came to me.

It's funny that Thompson was accusing the ESA of "bribing" Georgia politicians to get a tax credit bill passed, yet it seems like this business in Utah with the Eagle Forum smells of "bribery".

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

It's not about bribery, I don't think. Utah Eagle Forum doesn't even make significant campaign contributions. They're just very well-organized and have figured out how to influence -- some would say "intimidate" -- the Utah Legislature by working the political process to their advantage. (See http://tiny.cc/aPkJM).

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

SO, they're just a bunch of bullies, and if it isn't bribery, it's likely blackmail.

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

I get the image of Jacko quoting Nixon as depicted in Frost/Nixon "If I do it it isn't illegal!"

 

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Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

I think of him saying to people, "I am not a crook."

Thing was, Nixon wasn't a crook. Just made the wrong move with that cover-up. Jack, on the other hand, is definitely a crook. He supposedly set up a series of debates with Mr. Della Rocca, and when Jason suggested that there be no money involved (Jack said $3000 per event), Jack refused.

My question now is, did those debates happen, or when Jack refused to not take money for them, did he call them off?

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Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

JT debated author Gerard Jones at a college in PA in, I believe 2007 - we have coverage.

He declined to come to PAX 07 to debate - we have coverage.

He debated Oddworld designer Lorne Hanning at VGXPO 07 - we have coverage.

Jason Della Rocca of IGDA declined JT's offer to do a college debate (for money) - we have coverage.

Some time back JT debated author David Kushner (Masters of Doom), we have a pic of this somewhere, but it happened before GP was in existence.

He says he used to debate with Bob Guccione, Jr. - ditto, goes way back.

These are the ones I know about.

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

Ah, my thanks for clarifying, but this was not the question I had meant. I should have been more specific.

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Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

Thompson also challenged Tom Buscaglia to a debate but quickly backed out.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

I get the feeling that if it were possible, every draft of a Bil he's involved with would start "Jack Thompson says..."

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

"Jack Thompson says...clap your hands"

"Jack Thompson says...tap your head"

"Jack Thompson says...rub your belly"

"Jack Thompson says...sit on the floor"

 "Jack Thompson says...stop clapping your hands"

TBoneTony

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

Well, I don't really know what to think.

It seems that Jack Thompson wants to sue everyone just to be recognised...

TBoneTony

Libel Jacko? That's umpossible!

Now I know that wikipedia is no bastion of legal advice but the definition of defamation that is on there is pretty itneresting, "In law, defamation (also called calumny, libel, slander, and vilification) is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image."

Is it possible to say anything about Jacko that would give him an image any more negative than he already has???

 

http://www.popularculturegaming.com

Re: Libel Jacko? That's umpossible!

Plus, the only way it can be classified as such is if the action was purposefully done. If the deed was, in fact, an accident, I'm sure the offender would attempt to rectify his error.

Hopefully, the aforementioned offender will be more lucky than Dennis, and not have to put up with Miami Jack when such an event occurs.

My sympathies concerning Jack's attack on you, Dennis, and my praises for holding out against him.

EDIT: Oh, I just noticed this string's title, and I gotta admit, Calhoun, you could have done better than that, seeing as it sounds as if libel concerning Jack was, "um, possible!"

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Re: Libel Jacko? That's umpossible!

much less a false one?

岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

So basically what he said was...

So basically what Mike Morley has said is that he doesn't know anything about the law except that the Eagle Forum people gave it to him and that he thinks it is pointless.  That's some good politicianiering there....

http://www.popularculturegaming.com

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

Maybe HIS lawyer can explain what libel is to him... he obviously can't explain it to himself...

------- Morality has always been in decline. As you get older, you notice it. When you were younger, you enjoyed it.

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

I've decided to sew(Sic) Jack Thompson sinces(sic) his actions are causeing(sic) me mental anguish,psycholigal and emotional abuse.

 

I am serious plus I love the fact that Jack has the writing skills of an 8 year old.

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

My kingdom for a transcript of Ruzicka and Morley's conversation between parts II and III...and I can't resist:

Jack: I'm suing every one of you on this site for mean behavior!

GPers: Bring it on, shithead!

Jack: You asked for it...wait, I have to ask Patricia for money so I can hire a lawyer...I'll be right back! *turns and runs into the Constitution, out cold*

GPers:

"There is no sin except stupidity." - Oscar Wilde

"De minimus non curat lex"

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

I would imagine it more like

 

 

Jack: Patricia...look I need a lawyer, can you represent me?

Patricia: Jack, please just quit this bullshit. Can't you just find a job or a different case? I don't think this would have a strong case, quite frankly doesn't even sound like libel.

Jack: But this is Gamepolitics.com! They are posting things about me again! Remember what they said during my disbarrment?

Patricia: Wait huh? You were disbarred!? I thought you said you had a long heated federal case...

Jack: Well...um...that was half right...*runs for it*

Patricia: GET BACK HERE NOW!

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

Heh, nice. As I've said multiple times in the past, I do feel sorry for her and Little John, and hope they will be relieved soon.

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Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

Huh... Funny, I've imagined something similar in the past.

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Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

It's noteworthy -- and somewhat puzzling -- that Rep. Morly is willing to go on record stating that the legislative intent of his Bill is to restrict the sale of M-rated videogames. That's all well and good, but his legislation as currently worded covers not just M-rated videogames but all age-restricted or age-recommended goods and services. If he and the Bill's proponents make similar statements during the legislative process, they could be laying the foundation for a challenge under the strict scrutiny test that the legislation is unconstitutionally overbroad (i.e., intended to target only X, but also sweeps up Y and Z.).

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

Well, he was being interviewed by someone from a GAMING site.

I'm not on his side, but it could simply be that he was addressing his presumed audience.

Of course, if he continues these sorts of statements everywhere you've got a definite point.

Saying that Jack Thompson is impotent is an insult to impotent men everywhere. They've got a whole assortment of drugs that can cure their condition; Jack, however...

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

Question, Dennis.

Why didn't you show Mike the e-mail convo from Jack? I know you try not to keep your job Jack-exclusive, but those e-mails from Jack would help him better understand what you were trying to clarify.

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Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

Well, if that doesn't prove Jackhole is in on this just to get his name in the headlines, I don't know what does.

What a douche.

-- http://pixelantes.blogspot.com/

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

Sounds like Mike Morly is Gayle Ruzicka's legislative tool.  

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

Actually, and I'll be totally blunt, sounds like some politicians there in Utah are bought and paid for.  Heck yeah I said it.  The claims that other politicians have received campaign donations from the game industry, yet, here we see just who REALLY has the REAL influence. 

Morley can deny it all he wants, but at this point, he, and other legislatures, just earned the image of the Eagles Forum telling them to "Jump boy!  Jump!" and they do it.  A real legislator doesn't act like this to political lobbyists unless their seat has been bought in some fashion.

It's time that legislative action committees start looking into the actions of the Utah Eagles Forum and other such political organizations and their relationships with various politicians.

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Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

Not that I disagree in theory with a word you've said, but I don't think the Eagle Forum qualifies as a lobbyist because they don't lobby of behalf of paying clients. They're more like a special interest group. I thought the same thing at first (i.e., lobbyists) until I considered it further. But SIGs can actually be more undemocratic than lobbyists because they aren't subject to all the disclosure rules which lobbyists are.  

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

Actually: Morly, Ruzicka and JT are all just tools.  Period.

 

"You know what I wish? I wish all the scum of the Earth had one throat and I had my hands about it."

"You know what I wish? I wish all the scum of the Earth had one throat and I had my hands about it."

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

Libel?  Seriously.  Just publishing inaccurate information is no grounds for libel.  The information has to be defamitory.  It has to paint the person in a negative light.

How is failing to acknowledge his proper involvement paint JT in a negative light? 

 

 

"You know what I wish? I wish all the scum of the Earth had one throat and I had my hands about it."

"You know what I wish? I wish all the scum of the Earth had one throat and I had my hands about it."

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

The problem is your not going to do sht on a state by state basis you have to take it up the supreme court until they say that it can be done.

Porn is legally defined violence/maturity not so much and really can not be so. But you could shore horn something in if it passes national standards.

 


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Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

I wonder if someone can end Jack Thompson´s act for good. Why nobody sues him so he can learn one thing or two about a real life sue? His charade has taken too much time.

The worst part in that nobody seems to recognize that the bill is useless and still they want to go with it.

Utah politicians are completely in denial.

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Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

He's been sued and lost before. His conduct regarding that is part of what earned him his disbarment.

As for putting an end to his charade, I don't think anything short of him being committed, or dying is going to stop him from making a spectacle of himself. As far as I know, he's in good physical health, and unfortunately he's unlikely to be committed anytime soon, so I'd say we're stuck with the charade for a while yet.

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Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

Jeez talk about whiney.

Not to mention that it is most certainly NOT libel for you to run an interview in which someone else fails to give credit to Jack.

Jack might have a complaint against THAT person (though certainly not for libel or defamation).

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Good lord.  I mean, all that just to get recognition?  I know that JT loves being te center of attention, but jeez, what's so important about people knowing he's a major player in this bill?

I think he's been spending too much time with the wrong crowds, like the Eagle Forum.  They kiss his butt, and he gets a false sense of worth, believing most people actually see him as a legitimate "champion" of the people.  In truth, most of the country sees him as a wacko that got disbarred for being a world-class douchebag.  I mean, it's hard for a lawyer to lose their liscense just for being a jackass, and yet he managed it. 

My point is, why would he think having his name behind the bill, would give it more support?  If anything, his name is like a taint that could dilute any chance this bill has of passing.

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

How pathetic is it that Jack's whole sense of worth is tied to having the public acknowledge his role in helping create what is in fact a pointless bill? I get the impression that Jack needs some kind of victory, however pyrrhic, to feel like he's been right all along. He needs something concrete to serve as an anchor for what would otherwise be a carreer marked by failure and self deception.

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

His career and other actions have already formed an anchor....unfortunately the chain is around his neck and they are dragging him to the bottom of the ocean of irrelevance and disgraced obscurity.

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I thought about proposing a new drinking game.

Everytime JT makes a threat, you take a shot.

If he accuses of libel, you take 2 shots.

If he calls you or someone else a pixelante, you take a shot.

I thought about proposing this, but then I realized that anyone who played would quickly die of alcohol poisoning :(

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And

When you see a picture of JT (that has Dirty Teeth) CHUG

When he posts Gay porn to a Judge 2 shots

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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And, last but definitely not least, if Jack posts another press release somewhere, first you laugh like Kristoph Gavin, and then you finish your drink, or whatever is left of it.

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Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

Jack Thompson; because if he doesn't threaten to sue you, who will?

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OMG, I may have to put that in a sig.

Saying that Jack Thompson is impotent is an insult to impotent men everywhere. They've got a whole assortment of drugs that can cure their condition; Jack, however...

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

Wow, his definition of libel keeps getting broader and broader.

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"Hey look, it's Jack Tho-"

I SUE YOU! LIBEL! YOU FILTHY PIECE OF GAMER SHIT!

"But, didn't you just-?"

I AM ABOVE THE LAW!

Re: GP Interviews Sponsor of Utah Game Legislation... And ...

Ha ha, I just LAWled, hard. Sadly, he obviously thinks he is, and he should have learned from Nixon's example.

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