Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect Debacle Equates Obama Stimulus Plan with Rape Game

February 18, 2009 -

Just when you thought the RapeLay mini-scandal was over...

Kevin McCullough, the conservative blogger who in 2008 lit the fuse that would eventually detonate as pop psychologist Cooper Lawrence's misguided attack on Xbox 360 hit Mass Effect, is back.

In a piece for the conservative Townhall blog, McCullough draws similarities between the despicable RapeLay PC game and President Obama's just-signed stimulus package.

You can't make this stuff up. Here's what McCullough, who eventually backed off of his incorrect allegations against Mass Effect, wrote regarding RapeLay and the stimulus package:

This week Amazon.com after many complaints finally decided to ban a virtual reality game called "Rapelay." Defenders of the game say it's not real rape because it only occurs between computer animations. There are no genuine side effects. And it won't impact reality.

Sort of like what liberals sound like when it comes to our money. The money we work increasingly harder to earn. And with one uber-partisan vote they take away. Taken faster than the speed of light or at least in shorter than being allowed to read the legislation that does so.

In the game Rapelay, reviewers have stated that the player must first sexually assault a mother character and her two daughters before being allowed to then "pick" their next series of victims.

In the Congress of Washington DC liberals have seen to it that our mothers and daughters will have less money in the home budget working for their protection and welfare.

In the game Rapelay the reviews indicate that the rapist can even convince one of the animated computer characters that they like what's happening to them.

In Washington DC liberals in Congress sent their lapdog "Mr. President" out to the masses to do the same thing...

 

I've tried to be as tasteful as possible in explaining this comparison, and due to the passion of the natural man that was not an easy thing to do!
 

Class act, that Kevin McCullough...

Via: N'Gai Croal


Comments

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect Debacle

I hate people like this. They draw people away from ligitmate issues with nonsense.

 

The stimulas plan IS horrible, but thanks to this guy, the argument is harder to make.

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect Debacle

Wow, what a goober.

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*sigh*

Penny Arcade clearly got it right when they lampooned this guy. He realized that he was no longer relevant and that the last time he got any real attention was when he pissed people off with sensationalist claims. Comparing a potentially make or break piece of legislation with raping a woman and her daughters? Who the hell would even think to use that if they really wanted their argument to be valid? Especially when this bill is meant to, in theory, help the people. Sure, there's a lot of political pork, but a lot of it's necessary, just like the New Deal was.

And, to be perfectly frank, his "article" made me sick. This man is low, pathetic, and willing to sellout and be hated, just to get some attention.

 

-"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

-"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

Which is why if you wanted to stand up to the guy, you shouldn't have read it :p Every time the guy wants some more hits, he's just gonna make some stupid article referencing gamers as lowlife.

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

That's true I suppose. But then I wouldn't have been able to complain about it. And what fun would that have been?

 

-"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

-"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

After reading some of the replies to the original article that specifically supported Rapelay, I've got to wonder if this guy's really as awful as you're trying to make him out to be.  I mean, sure, he's badly informed on the original news source, but at least he's not trying to defend the thing.  That makes him more of a "class act" than some of your readers.

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

Do you mean less of a class act? And yeah, there's nothing wrong with defending a games right to exist, no matter what the game. The people defending it believe in the right to free speech, and when you believe in free speech, you can't have things both ways. You just have to take the good with the bad.
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Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

Shall we defend all speech as free speech, then?

How about this blogger guy?  Why aren't you defending his speech?

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

Oh, we accept his right to free speech. However, we also have the right of free speech to say why we don't agree.

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Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

You certainly can respond, and probably should.  But when people are calling for him to be silenced (fired from his job), how are they any different than what Amazon did?

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

I think it's a far stretch to say that calling for his firing is the same as calling for him to be silenced. Saying that he shouldn't speak for that publication is a lot different than saying he shouldn't speak.

No, I don't think he should be fired. I'd prefer it if the crazies had someplace to go so that they're not all over the flippin' place. I just don't see how calling for someone to be fired is the same as calling for them to not be allowed to speak.

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

Yeah, exactly. And I also don't think Amazon removing Rapelay from their site is a bad thing in principle. It's their site, so they can do what they want with it. But if they start regulating content like this now, then they are going to have to deal with a lot of difficult situations in the future. I know that one person on the previous article about this said that Amazon has a no lolicon policy. But then another person instantly found lolicon for sale on Amazon. The Rapelay issue was what brought attention to that.

What I do think is a bad thing in principle is when people say Rapelay should not have been allowe to be made. That's censorship of free speach, and that's wrong.

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Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

I agree with Amazon's removal of Rapelay if it violates their terms of service, and if lolicon violates it, that should be removed, too. The ToS isn't there to look pretty. If they're not going to enforce the rules, the rules need to be removed.

I've said several times, personally, that I'm disgusted there's a market for it, but there is a market and it is not illegal in the country it was made in. It has every right to have been made.

However, firing someone- anyone- from a blog is not censorship. It is censorship if the publication deletes the article and forces the employee to apologize when he doesn't mean it. It is censorship if he is fired and all those free services out there that give you a platform refuse to let you use them. I hate to say this, but even though we're only debating among ourselves? We're engaging in free speech. You don't need a large audience to be able to speak. You don't need a large audience to exercise your freedom of speech.

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

I think the fundamental issue is that its easy to find something that offensive anywhere.  I used to work in a bookstore, we would occasionaly have someone get offended, get mad and say they are never coming back again cause we had some item they didn't like.  I could say I don't like the bible or the koran or some other "acceptable" book.  I may not like them, but I don't have the right to demand that they be pulled off the shelf.  What would happen, for example if a bunch of fundamentalist christians got into power?  Could we expect to see a "censureship" for say witch and wiccan books/products because they believe them to be not moral and offensive?  Where do you stop the line of what is offensive.  Yes, we have freedom of speech, but that doesn't seem to matter if someone (in power)finds it offensive.

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

I think it's a far stretch to say that calling for his firing is the same as calling for him to be silenced. Saying that he shouldn't speak for that publication is a lot different than saying he shouldn't speak.

If you remove somebody's platform, then you've effectively silenced them.

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

Wow. I'm baffled. He'd have a platform. There are tons of services out there that will let you spew whatever drivel you want and be untouched.

I have a Livejournal. I rant regularly about stuff, and yes, sometimes spew drivel that some would call offensive. I talk to my friends and family about it.

So what you're saying, then, is because I'm not working for a company, getting paid to boast my opinions, and reaching a large audience, I am... silent? I don't have freedom of speech because the only people reading my stuff are my friends? That's... not my understanding of the subject and not something I agree with.

Furthermore, if there are people who want to follow him, in the sad event he was fired (for, as far as I can tell, doing his job- I'm not saying he should be fired) they can follow him to his blog. It happens.


Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

Ok, this is starting to not make sense. First off, you don't silence them. They can always get a job somewhere else where they can voice their idiotic opinions (Fox news for example). And if they can't get a job, that's their own fault for being an incompetent moron.

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Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

If Jack Thompson were to lose GamePolitics... wait, he did... well, if Dennis decided to ignore all things Jack, then what more would you hear of him?  He'd lose his platform.  He could send faxes and emails all day long, but nobody would pay them any mind.

Same thing here.  Kick him off whatever site he's on and let him go on Livejournal?  What's the point in doing that?  Nobody would read his drivel.

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

And then that would be... great?

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Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

No, it wouldn't, b/c then he'd become the equivalent of the Time Devourer from Chrono Cross. We must keep him in the Lavos stage FOR GREAT JUSTICE, until there is a way to completely and utterly destroy him.

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Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

Because he's an idiot. I might be happy if he was fired from his job for being a moron, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in his right to say whatever he wants, no matter how incredibly stupid it is.

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Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

You'll get no argument from me on that first point.

So, what's the difference between him getting fired and losing his audience and Rapelay being removed from Amazon's "shelves" and losing its audience?

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

Amazon can sell whatever they want on their website. Likewise townhall can publish what it wants as well.

(of course this doesn't cover Amazon selling contraband or townhall publishing something like slander).

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Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

What's wrong with defending the game's right to exist and the rights of gamers to play it?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

Some things are best left undefended, at the very least until the industry is capable of staving off attacks on more mainstream games (Grand Theft Auto, for example).  A game with fairly realistic rape sequences is exactly the sort of target that people who oppose violent, more adult games in general would want.  It's not yet time to push the envelope quite that far; you need Elvis before you can have Madonna.

The people who responded to that post... well, I don't know what they think they were defending.  High art, Rapelay certainly is not.

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

Should Rapelay have been released? No, because as you said it could hurt the mainstream gaming in the press. But what we were defending was its right to exist. The moment I say that something should be banned or shouldn't be allowed is the moment I become a hypocrite. Because who am I to say what is and isn't acceptable? I won't play the game, but I don't think it should be taken away from those who do want to play it.

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Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

You don't have to defend something just because it's been labeled a videogame.

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

lol, I'm not defending it because it's a videogame. I just hate censorship. It even pisses me off that France and Germany prohibit the display of Nazi paraphernalia, and there is pretty much nothing that I hate more than Nazis.

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Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

The game can be purchased from other quarters (I think J-List may still sell it).  It's not being censored, it's just being removed from a particular quarter because they see keeping the listing as a terrible PR move.

I mean, I can't buy adult movies from Blockbuster, but that doesn't mean they're being censored.  I just have to go to a different place if I want them.

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

If J-List sells it, its not coming up on their search engine...though not like there isn't other games on the site that are similar in nature, etc.

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

He's not defending it, he's defending its right to exist.

I think that people that burn American flags are some of the most deplorable, disgusting, worthless pieces of filth around, but I still defend a person's right to burn something that belongs to them, or have other forms of free speech like that.

(Though, I would probably punch a flag-burner in the face, and likely no jury would convict me...)

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Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

He's not defending it, he's defending its right to exist.

It can exist.  It doesn't have to exist on Amazon.

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

You kidding?

Assaulting someone because they did a protected act you find repulsive?

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Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

They have a right to burn the flag, and he has the right to show them how he feels about it.  He'll probably be prosecuted, but he'll be a martyr for it.

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

Yes but not if the expression involves punching someone then it's not covered under free speech no matter how many ideas he was expressing through it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._O%27Brien

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Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

Again, I said he'd probably be prosecuted.  However, he'd become a martyr in the eyes of anyone that bleeds red, white, and blue.

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

I could not possibly disagree more.

"High art, Rapelay certainly is not."

That makes absolutely no difference.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

Would you like to know why so many people are defending Rapelay, even though we find it disgusting? Its because of two words......

"Stare decisis"

These words mean to maintain the precedent. Its how our legal system works. United States judges are not supposed to pull rulings out of their butts. When making up their minds, they have to look to older rulings and the consitution for the answer. These days books, movies, and music have almost complete protection under the first amendment, but the precedant for digital media is still being set.

Now picture if you will: an american court bans Rapelay. This doesnt seem that odd to some people, all in all, it is a game with a violent setting, and very little artistic value. Now, later on GTA V is released, the normal hulabalu starts, and so on. This time, however, it gets banned. How could this have happened? Well its just so happens that the judge on the case pulled up PoliticalJerk v. Rapelay, which says that certain digital media can be "banned if they don't have a cetain level of artistic merit" (or whatever the legal brief from the case claimed).

You wonder why, despite being disgusted by Rapelay so many of us get our noses out of joint about regulation? Thats why.

*EDIT*

I also point out, I'm a moderate. One of those people in middle. I think that the political blog we have been talking about is a disgusting little bit of fearmongering, but I will defend their right to spread that filth around because its the same right that allows us all to get togather here and take pot shots at each other. ^_^

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

Oh, but it does make a difference.  When your product depicts something that is, quite frankly, an evil thing, it needs some sort of redeeming quality.  Grand Theft Auto provides cultural commentary.  Manhunt, a bloody, violent game, is something of a morality play.  These qualities make the games an art form.

What quality raises Rapelay above mere obscenity?  What makes it worthy of defense?

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

And who are you (or myself) to cherry pick what is obscene, and what has redeeming qualities (moral, cultural, etc)?

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

I'm the guy who just posted the Miller Test, which gives the legal definition of whether a particular work can be labeled obscene.  Rapelay passes all three prongs.

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

No it doesn't.  See my comment above.  There's an argument to be made for the first two but it absolutely, inarguably fails the third prong.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

Dude! The game is fucking called Rapelay! It contains rape, and lots of it. And I can guarun-damn-tee you that nobody is playing the game for the story. If this doesn't pass the Miller test, then what the hell does?

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Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

"If this doesn't pass the Miller test, then what the hell does?"

Nothing I can thing of and that's the problem.  The Miller test is far too subjective and vague.

"And I can guarun-damn-tee you that nobody is playing the game for the story."

Doesn't matter.  No one plays Super Mario Bros. for the story either.  Is that enough to declassify it from "serious literary" value?  To some, yes, to others, no.  Again, that's the problem with the Miller Test.  It doesn't define its terms.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

It's terms are defined by the general public's attitudes. And the general public would find this game obscene and pornographic.

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Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

Only the first prong but even so, how do you quantify how the general public will define "average person" or "contemporary community standards"?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

I think that one justice said it best. I know it when I see it. There is no quanitification involved here. You just have to use common sense. And I don't mean common sense as most people on the internet refer to it, as intelligence. I mean real common sense. The sense that is common to all (or almost all) people.

 

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Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

Hence the problem and why obscenity cases are debated to this day.  Determining if something passes a particular prong of the Miller Test is a matter of opinion, not common sense.

As an example, does common sense dictate what is of "serious artistic value"?  No, it's completely subjective.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

I find the third prong to be quite debatable, and in fact, quite central to why I find it baffling that there are users on this website defend the game.

Re: Conservative Blogger Who Triggered 2008 Mass Effect ...

If anything, the third prong raises the issue of whether the government should be acting as art critic. If modern art demonstrates anything it is that one man's art is another man's commode.

 
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