NY City Council Speaker Will Call for Retail Boycott of Rape Game

The Speaker of the New York City Council is expected to denounce a controversial Japanese rape simulation game this morning on the steps of City Hall in Manhattan.

Councilwoman Christine Quinn (middle left) will hold a news conference in protest of RapeLay at 11:00 A.M. As GamePolitics has reported, the hentai game was recently removed from product listings on Amazon.com where a re-seller had been offering it for sale.

Quinn will be joined by the New York City Alliance Against Sexual Assault. A press release announcing the event includes the following description:

A teenage video "game" simulating brutal gang rape and other horrifying sexual violence — just pulled by Amazon.com — will be the subject of a news conference hosted by [Quinn]… who will call on all U.S. video distributors to refuse its distribution or sale…

 

The "game" is now available in the U.S. market…

We should point out that RapeLay, while despicable, is not a product of the U.S. video game industry and is not rated by the ESRB.

UPDATE: Newsday has the first mainstream media coverage of today’s press conference:

Amazon and eBay have already banned the sale of the game… but New York City Council Speaker Christine Quinn said Monday that the game is available on other Web sites…

UPDATE 2: The photo at left is from the news conference. Speaker Quinn is in the middle. At left, holding artwork from RapeLay, is  Harriett Lessel, Executive Director of The New York City Alliance Against Sexual Assault. Of the game, Lessel said:

Video games of this nature are beyond appalling, and people of good conscience need to speak out against them. Sexual violence is a major problem in America and video games like this send the exact wrong message to young people. It tells boys it’s okay to sexually assault girls, and it tells girls they are worthless. The New York City Alliance Against Sexual Assault is hopeful that American distributors will reject this game and the aberrant behavior it promotes.

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  1. Mr.Pat says:

    So you are saying we should ignore the fact that Obama has not released his birth certificate yet since he is definitely an American citizen because…he just is?

    It "hasn’t been released" because Hawaii state law bars it. Even if that law was repealed and it became public, are you even likely to believe it? An official certificate of birth, the archived newspapers announcing his birth, heck even confirmation from Hawaiian officials in the Department of Vital Statistics and the Department of health weren’t good enough, I mean after all, Hawaii isn’t a part of that "real America" I kept hearing about, so it must be populated entirely by perpetual liars.

    Have you ever heard of this thing called balance? You know, a mixture of two different things to create something better? Aside from that, how many people do you know of that have been harmed by this illegal wiretapping?

    Your cries of balance don’t cut it – privacy is all or nothing. If you expect people to be happy to be wiretapped without any warrants issued, then expect it to come back right to you with your precious firearms. When the nutball neocon a block away finally decides he’s going to snap from listening to Hannity and Coulter, I want to know just what he’s bringing out, lest we end up with another shot up church. Aside from that, how are people going to be harmed by other people knowing how armed and paranoid they are?

  2. HyperEnergy says:

    Yup, keep drinking the flavor-aid, next you’re going to tell me he’s a secret muslim too, right?

    So you are saying we should ignore the fact that Obama has not released his birth certificate yet since he is definitely an American citizen because…he just is?

    Hey, he’s gone on the record of stating we have no right to privacy, then goes on to say people shouldn’t have their gun ownership public if they don’t want it to be – so either we don’t have a right to privacy at all and this becomes public info, or we have a right to privacy and the warrentless wiretapping of citizens is in fact illegal. Sorry, but you can’t be selective, can’t have it both ways, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

    Have you ever heard of this thing called balance? You know, a mixture of two different things to create something better? Aside from that, how many people do you know of that have been harmed by this illegal wiretapping?

  3. Mr.Pat says:

    I like how you brought up Bush out of nowhere, as if you don’t have anything better to talk about.

    Actually that was in reference to his comments the previous day that his former president is undeserving of any criticism whatsoever – do try to pay attention.

    So we have Obama, a guy who spends thousands of dollars on lawsuits to protect his birth certificate from reaching the general public instead of paying the, what, $10 or so dollars to get his official birth certificate released? Seems like an aweful lot of wasted effort for someone who is a genuine American.

    Yup, keep drinking the flavor-aid, next you’re going to tell me he’s a secret muslim too, right?

    Wasn’t the problem just explained in the previous post? Weren’t you paying attention? Or are you saying you have some use for the information?

    Hey, he’s gone on the record of stating we have no right to privacy, then goes on to say people shouldn’t have their gun ownership public if they don’t want it to be – so either we don’t have a right to privacy at all and this becomes public info, or we have a right to privacy and the warrentless wiretapping of citizens is in fact illegal. Sorry, but you can’t be selective, can’t have it both ways, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

    Nice of you to try and protect a Bush-worshipper though, as if they haven’t dug any holes for themselves these last few years.

  4. BrandonL337 says:

    He did produce a birth certificate you fucking idiotic jackass!  He’s an American citizen grow a pair and learn to accept that, he won fair and square the American people voted for him.

    There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can’t do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

  5. HyperEnergy says:

    "Its funny, you label any and all criticism of your mangod George W. Jesus – the guy who called the constitution you love "just a goddamn piece of paper" as "blind hatred", yet your hatred of anyone with a D by their name is perfectly justified?"

    I like how you brought up Bush out of nowhere, as if you don’t have anything better to talk about.

    "Yes I know you don’t believe anyone regarding Obama’s birth certificate – you hate him too much to let him even try to do his job, so why would you believe him to be an American?"

    So we have Obama, a guy who spends thousands of dollars on lawsuits to protect his birth certificate from reaching the general public instead of paying the, what, $10 or so dollars to get his official birth certificate released? Seems like an aweful lot of wasted effort for someone who is a genuine American.

    "And really, you should have no real problem with making firearm ownership public"

    Wasn’t the problem just explained in the previous post? Weren’t you paying attention? Or are you saying you have some use for the information?

  6. Mr.Pat says:

    Riight, the Bush-worshipper thinks I’m a coward because I don’t think guns are the only solution to safety. I’m the coward because I prefer non-lethal uses of force. Or maybe you’re just a pussy. I reckon its the latter, especially based on your comments and your near palpable hatred expressed here. But you go ahead and cling to your guns like the little pansy you are, because living in fear is so much better than living in reality.

    And why wouldn’t I be surprised you’d be all for gitmo and torture –  I already had you pegged for a torture enthusiast, so thanks for confirming it. I really don’t care what the other side does, there is no blurring of the line – you either think its wrong no matter what, or you think its fine and dandy and support its use – which is what you belive. Then again you think its fine to keep people incarcerated without any charges levied on them too – because you live in fear. I seriously wonder how you can even leave your house – there may be a terrorist, or oh my god dare I say it, a democrat outside.

    Yes I know you don’t believe anyone regarding Obama’s birth certificate – you hate him too much to let him even try to do his job, so why would you believe him to even be an American? You probably still think he’s an Arab too, your hate is so strong. Maybe when your favorite hatemongers at Freerepublic finally confirm he’s American (they hate him much more than you surprisingly, even adding death threats into the mix) you’ll believe it then.

    And really, you should have no real problem with making firearm ownership public. You yourself stated we have no right to privacy, so by your own logic, that should be tossed right out the window as it is. If you’ve got nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about – all the other sheep in your party keep telling me that, now just do what you always do and just go "Baaaa" in unison.

    Strange thing too, project aren’t immediately pork just because you don’t like them. I know you want to follow in the steps of your King George W. Jesus, and catipult the propaganda, but you should already know people stopped listening to your party, or they’d still have all the branches of government in their warmongering hands.

    And really, you shouldn’t even try to go into the approval ratings area, considering your Glorious Leader squandered all his 9/11 support to have the lowest approval ratings in presidential history. Oh wait, I forgot nothing was ever his fault, its all everyone else’s, the republican jesus never makes mistakes, its all just "blind hatred". I’ll take your wasting money garbage a little more seriously too if your lord and savior dubya didn’t waste money going to war with a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 wasting the surplus he inherited – oh wait, that Clinton guy was a democrat too, he must automatically be evil!

    I suggest you stop rooting for Obama to fail like a traitor and try coming up withsome better ideas. Oh, and get Georg’e dick out of your mouth too, you just look sad trying to defend his constant failures.

  7. Austin_Lewis says:

    Please jackass, I don’t hate anyone with a D by their name.  The ones who waste money, try to infringe on my rights?  Certainly. Ted Strickland, Governor of Ohio, who has decided that the money he got from the stimulus bill is going to go to things that, surprise, won’t stimulate a damn thing?  Absolutely.  Anyone who knows about Cincinnati knows that they need a jail, but for some weird reason Strickland (D) would rather put stimulus money into pork programs.  Strangest shit. 

    GUESS WHAT?  THE NSA HAS TRACKED OUR PHONE CONVERSATIONS SINCE THE COLD WAR!  The only thing Bush did different was admit it was being done and write a bill that publicly protected it.  By the by, you actually have no right to privacy in the bill of rights, an amendment, or the constitution.  Craziest thing. 

    Is torturing people caught setting IED’s in third world countries moral?  I don’t know.  That line has been so blurred.  I guess I’m just happy to see them somewhere where they’re, you know, not able to harm anyone until it gets sorted out, that I suppose I really don’t care if they get roughed up a bit.  By the by, contrary to what people like to believe, GITMO is not some sort of strange torture facility.  It should also be noted that the Geneva Convention does not apply to rebel groups, insurgents, or terrorists, and really doesn’t apply to people who execute prisoners anyway.  I’m still astounded we stood by the Geneva Convention in Vietnam with all the bullshit they were doing to OUR prisoners. 

    As for Obama, he produced a certification of birth, or a short form birth certificate.  These are signed by the state.  The actual certificate, never released, is done by a hospital.  I know, I know, nitpicking, but hey, I’ve found states are more corrupt than hospitals in most places.  As for the birth announcement, it wouldn’t be the first fake birth announcement I’ve seen in a newspaper from an immigrant, legal or otherwise.  Hell, go to towns bordering the Tex/Mex border and you can see fake birth announcements in the newspaper daily. The thing I’m most astounded at, however, is that when he took so long to produce one, the Supreme court failed to take the time to look at it. I don’t really give half a fuck what the people at factcheck.com or org or whatever they’re using now say, they keep missing out on things that are kind of big deals or making them seem less so.

    You’re right, assault weapons (or, to give them proper identification, box-fed semiautomatic rifles) are the only thing the Assault weapons ban affects.  Oh wait, no its not.  It also bans most pistols (anything with more than a 10 round magazine), many of the best semi-auto rifles out there, but even more importantly, this new go around would repeal the Tiahrt amendment.  What that would do is make firearm ownership information public, meaning that people could track where one lives, what firearms one owns, and even where they bought them.  This, of course, has no real purpose but to intimidate firearms owners and allow them to be harassed by anti-gun groups.  The FOP has even said that they have no desire to see the TIAHRT amendment repealed, but don’t let that get in your way. 

    I don’t know if you’ve ever read a history book, but if you had, you’d realize that American freedoms are built on the 2nd amendment; the old spirit of ‘don’t tread on me or you’ll get fucked up’.  Just because you’re too much of a COWARD to grasp that, doesn’t make the people willing to stand up for it cowardly.  It just makes you ignorant.

    Of course, I’m also astounded at Obama’s call for an end to Concealed Carry, which is very important in a world where police aren’t actually required to help you.  I know, I know, we should apparently be responsible for our own safety, but apparently we can’t use firearms to keep ourselves safe. 

    Right, the reason that Obama’s down by 7 percentage points in his first month and hated by a good portion of the tax-paying populace is just hate.  Maybe it’s even because we hate his skin color.  It has absolutely nothing to do with the massive waste of money, the fact that he’s already shown many campaing claims to be bullshit, or the fact that he goes on TV and lies to the public everyday.

    I suggest you pull your head out of your ass before we became the nanny-states of America.

  8. Harry Miste says:

    It’s times like this I wonder what the hell people are talking about everytime somebody references Monty Python… It’s almost required viewing for anybody interested on the internet.

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  9. Nekowolf says:

    What I was taught was, that first wave feminism had the major focus on woman’s sufferage (voting rights), and second wave had the major focus on female equality.

  10. Mr.Pat says:

    Its funny, you label any and all criticism of your mangod George W. Jesus – the guy who called the constitution you love "just a goddamn piece of paper" as "blind hatred", yet your hatred of anyone with a D by their name is perfectly justified? I tend to call that being a partisan asshole, with an emphasis on asshole. Apparantly you think spying on our own citizens is fine and dandy practices of patriotism, keeping people locked up indefinately without any charges is perfectly reasonable and torturing them is perfect, and banning equal rights for gay couples is perfectly justified, which are pretty much not constitution-friendly if you even bothered to pay attention to those documents you want followed.

    And then you show how much flavor-aid you’ve been lapping up by bringing back up the birth certificate BS – its been proven, its been presented by the hospital, hell they’ve even found an archived copy of his birth announcement from the newspapers in Hawaii. Apparantly though, its not enough for you because you simply hate him wayy too much to let reality to soak in. Its that same hate, btw, that caused you to lose all three branches.

    And now you’re whining that you’re not going to be allowed to keep AK-47s in your house. Whaa whaa whaa, the world is going to end because you can’t cling to your assault weapons like a coward. Make sure you check under your bed each night for the boogeyman too, I here he’s coming to get you.

    I’m really sick of mouthbreathers like you who for eight years, eight long years, claimed that anyone who criticized George was a traitor deserving to be shot, and now Obama has barely been in office a month and you’re calling for his head on a pike. You’re the perfect representative for republicans today – bitter, spiteful,and hatefilled. I’m sure that just like your public mouthpiece Rush that you want him to fail, even if it results in the loss of american lives, just so your blind hatred can feel justified, because you believe in party over country. Well guess what, your party had their time, and they sucked. They sucked hard, and as a result, your party that does no wrong lost, and they lost bigtime. 

    Now follow your own party’s mantra from the last 8 years: accept it and like it, or you’re a traitor.

  11. Austin_Lewis says:

    It’s not a blind hatred, jackass.  It’s more the fact that I view the constitution and amendments and bill of rights as documents not to be trampled on just because some people (Obama) don’t like what the amendment entails.

    EDIT

    Oh, I forgot, I also hate people who waste Billions of dollars on individual states’ pet projects that won’t create or save jobs.  I also don’t like people who are president without ever having produced their birth certificate for verification of birth in the USA.  McCain could do it, Biden could, Hillary could, Palin could.  Why can’t Obama?  Maybe I’m crazy, but I’m less than excited about the prospect of watching American freedoms be restricted by the new Assault Weapons Ban that he wants, when he’s never even proven himself to be American-born.

  12. Father Time says:

    Ok I guess I must’ve missed out, what are the first third and second feminist waves?

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  13. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    *raises eyebrow* Never heard of that one. Damn, that must (hypothetically) hurt.

    Probably as bad as the face melting scene in The Fly 2, except sexier (Don’t try looking for it on YouTube: I already tried).

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  14. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    "At least they’ve got a better senator than Hillary Clinton now."

    There really was no need for that, but I’m glad you were able to voice your opinion. Besides, Senator Gillibrand (D) is still in her first 100 days: you don’t know how things could turn out with her until later. That’s why I’m caustiously optimistic for Obama: in my opinion, I don’t think he’s screwed up just yet.

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  15. Father Time says:

    "Really? Where?"

    Didn’t you hear, the U.S. absored Japan last week.

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  16. Neeneko says:

    It is rather natural that many second wavers would be against 3rd wave.

    2nd wave had a great deal of ‘we know what is best for "W"omen’ while 3rd wave has a focus on "what is right for one woman may not be for another".. so it makes sense that some might view the new culture as a threat since it takes ‘how women should act’ away from their carefully crafted new model.

    Personal choice vs what is good for the movement.  Not always incompatible but they really address differnt things.

  17. Nekowolf says:

    Yeah, I’ve heard of cases of the latter in you last paragraph. At a board I used to go to, there was a female member who was really against third-wave. She often brought up various cases.

  18. Nekowolf says:

    Yeah, what hellfire said. It was aimed at undecided voters, whom Brian commented: "Lois, undecided voters are the biggest idiots on the planet. Try giving short, simple answers."

  19. Nekowolf says:

    Honestly, I think it would not be obscene, if measured by the Miller Test, as "artistic, etc. values" could apply. Could.

    But, you never know, and I’m only hoping that would be the case.

  20. Paulrus says:

    Being totally against rape and hentai incorperating rape I went off on this game in the comment section on the story about it being taken off of Amazon. And for those paying attention, I still belive that the people who made it still deserve a punt in the ballsack.

    I’m also suprised how split everyone was on the matter when that poll came around, it was close.

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  21. Paulrus says:

    I’m going to scream. Loudly. This is going too far and i’m starting to feel guilty for my comments.

    How can these people be so oblivious to facts?! HOW? FOR FUCKS SAKE!

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  22. NovaBlack says:

    yeah, have to say i agree with you on this one..

    teenage game wtf.

    and im a bit surprised at GPs logic too. Dont get me wrong.. rape is despicable. But i just find it kinda hypocritical to imply that pulling this game / any steps to restrict the sale of thei game are a GOOD thing, whilst fighting for the right to play games like GTA.

    rape is an awful crime, but so is mass murder. I dont see the logical distinction as to why one should be accepted and another shouldnt.

  23. hellfire7885 says:

    Actually, Lois said it while she was amyor of the town. She was trying to get the peopel to be oke with a small tax increase to clean up the lake.


  24. MartyB says:

     but those games haven’t been pull from amazon…

     

    why risk going after something, that you can’t win against, when you can claim a boycot of a game, and then come back a week later and say her boycott was sucessful as it’s not in the US market anymore.

    I wouldn’t put it pass them.

  25. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    What episode is that? That sounds like something either Peter or Stewie would say.

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  26. Neeneko says:

    Which given her age means shy will probably tow the 2nd wave party-line extra close in order to avoid being called a traitor or all the other icky things the 2nd wave leadership used to call lesbians.   Regardless of her own leanings she has to work very hard to not be seen as a radical.

  27. dan888 says:

    Why focus on this untranslated rape game?

    J-List (and companies they own, Peach Princess, G-Collections, a couple others) (games include, but not limited to, Sensei 2, Tsuki – Possession)  and Kitty Media (the infamous game "Bible Black") have released multiple games with rape commercially in the US .  Even better is the new European company MangaGamer has or will release in English(via downloads) titles such as "suck my dick or die", My Classmate is a sex slave" and other such games.  Unoffical translations exist for games such as Gang Rape Club" (Dark Translations).  Why go after a title that isn’t available in English, there are plenty of other titles that are more relevant.

     

     

  28. MartyB says:

     Well, it is rape… that in of itself is dispicable, there’s really no explanations needed on that one…

    but how did the saying go, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".   

     

  29. catboy_j says:

    I know it’s been said but really? Teenage video game? WTF does that mean? And I still don’t get GPs logic about it being dispicable but since the answer is never posted perhaps it’s the same logic that many of the others who want it banned follow?

  30. Neeneko says:

    Some third wave blogs perhaps, but a good chunk of the thrid wave is sex-positive which is much slower to speak against games like this.

    And yep, third wave is fractured.  I’m not sure that is a bad thing.  One of the big faults of second wave feminism is it replaced one oppression with another.   The problem with a unified movement is you end up with only a small number of peopel deciding how everyone should live.  Part of the point of the movement was to break women away from being told how to live by men but in turn they ended up being forced into new molds by a group of women who swooped in to fill the power void.  Unified is powerful, but it also means turning your back on many of your own in order to keep that unity,.. and 2nd wave was pretty crappy to the ‘wrong’ kind of women……

    3rd wave tries to address that problem by putting forward that women need to find their own ways and thus supports all the groups that 2nd wave tried to eliminate.  3rd wave will accomplish less, but it will accomplish things for the people who were not considered worthwhile by the more effective 2nd wave. 

    Unforutnatly many of the older 2nd wave people are now also now developing the classic attitude of ‘well, we got what we wanted, why should we help the rest of our supporters?’ or even worse, ‘lack of oppression feels nice, lets see what it feels like to oppress someone else! hey! this feels great!’

  31. E. Zachary Knight says:

    Under most jurisdictions in the US it would most likely fall under the obscene category of games. I wouldn’t doubt that. However, that still would not stop the ESRB from granting it an AO rating if it applied for one. Just as any porno flick that would be submitted to the MPAA for rating would be granted an NC-17 rating.

    But I can understand them having policies in place for truly illegal content, such as child porn.

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  32. GoodRobotUs says:

    Even more likely since Quinn is NY’s first openly Gay speaker, so the feminist groups are watching her every move.

  33. GoodRobotUs says:

    Well, they do have one sideline, they cannot certify something that is illegal, and I’m still not certain how well this would stand up to the Miller Test.

  34. Cavalier says:

    A quick google search hit this page council.nyc.gov/d3/html/members/home.shtml with her contact info and so on, including press contact info.  Might be worth disabusing her office of this notion if someone hasn’t already.

    Additionally, I suppose it couldn’t hurt, if we have anyone in the area, to get in touch with the local papers and make this whole thing the laughingstock it is.

  35. Sukasa says:

    That would be poetic irony of all this increased attention of the game, if it was english subbed.  That’s why I’m interested to see what the company that made the game has to say about all this increased political attention.

  36. hellfire7885 says:

    Wouldn’t surprise me if they tried that isolationist bullshit again.

    All it’d do is give the black market more business.

    Not to mention they’d have to moniter internet usage.


  37. Nekowolf says:

    Oh, I’m SURE it’d reach some blogs on third-wave feminism.

    Though, so what; third-wave feminism is a disaster. It’s broken, ununified, and is just one big failure.

    First and Second wave were the good ones.

  38. E. Zachary Knight says:

    the simple fact is that the ESRB would not allow (or at least, would refuse to certify) such material to be sold in the US.

    The ESRB Does not and never will refuse certification of any game. They would simply slap an AO on this game and let market forces do their work. The ESRB has no policy that would allow them to refuse certification. As long as the game is presented to them with the appropriate fees and forms, the company that produced the game will walk out with a rating.

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  39. Neeneko says:

    And one of the truely depressing parts of that statement is pointing out that this will, indeed, make a mark on the feminist blogs (probalby second wave blogs at least)

  40. Austin_Lewis says:

    So wait.. they’re calling for a boycot of a game that’s not sold in the vast majority of retail outlets in the USA? 

    This seems like another waste of time from NY.  At least they’ve got a better senator than Hillary Clinton now.

  41. Zerodash says:

    Could this mean a crackdown on game importing?  Is it feasible that certain games from other markets may not be sold here?  

  42. Nekowolf says:

    "That’s right, terrorists. We have intelligence that suggests that… Hitler… is plotting… with, with the Legion of Doom… to assassinate Jesus. Using the lake as a base." – Lois from Family Guy

  43. MartyB says:

     If I were a journalist, i’d be down there asking questions like:

    "What retailers are selling the game"

    "Since the game is not sold by any Americain retailers, what retailers are you hoping will join your boycot?" 

    you know, anything that will make her look stupid and put enough doubt in all the journalists there to go do they’re research and find out this was an utterly pointless and waste of they’re time.

    Maybe a few emails would do… but way too lazy to do that.

  44. Sukasa says:

    It would be funny if poliitcans went to certain Japanese online game/entertainment companies and saw the other "dating sim" games for sell.  I believe they would have a heart attack.

  45. Geoff says:

    A politician getting the facts wrong about a game?  I’m shocked, I tell you, shocked.  >_>

     

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  46. nighstalker160 says:

    We should pool money and buy copies of all those crazy ass hentai games and mail them to her office.

  47. Mechadon says:

    I love how their gonna refer to it as "THE" rape game. There’s thousands more where that came from, sugar.

    One of them happens to slip in through a recognizable outlet, and now the U.S game industry is going to be linched for something it didn’t create.

  48. black manta says:

    This really is a non-issue.  The game itself wasn’t even being offered by any retailer, it was just one guy.  Same thing could have just as easily happened on eBay.  I don’t even think the guy selling it was American.  Wasn’t this out of the UK or something?

    Of course, once the truth come out and the facts are eventually known (which they inevitably will be), everybody who has screamed bloody murder about this game are going to look really foolish, and it’s always fun to watch their awkward backpedaling if there is any.

  49. Zerodash says:

    Actually, this rape game is a godsend to anti-games folk.  All that matters to them (and the mainstream media) is that it even EXISTS.  Let’s not forget the Super Colombine RPG nonsense- the fact that it was a free homebrew game didn’t stop people from decrying the ESA & ESRB for it.

     

    I expect this game to make the rounds at both Feminist and Conservative Christian blogs for the next few weeks.  Sex is where these two opposing forces find common ground…

  50. Sukasa says:

    "The "game" is now available in the U.S. market…"

    Can the speaker please tell me what retail store sells the game?  I doubt you can find that it is, unless being sold by a third party, like it was on Amazon.  Though it seems politicans don’t seem to learn that giving news conferences against a game tends to have the opposite effect and it sells more rather then less.  Has any news agency attempted to contact the game company to see what they have to say?  Could we see some politican trying to pass a new law that bans all games made similar to rapelay from Japan?

  51. Cerabret100 says:

    "We should point out that RapeLay, while despicable, is not a product of the U.S. video game industry and is not rated by the ESRB."

    I’m willing to bet $20 that this little fact goes completely unnoticed by the politicians and general society.

  52. BearDogg-X says:

    NewsFlash to idiot NY politician: You can’t boycott what you don’t even sell.

    Yet another Metropolitian Moron for NYC.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


    Proud supporter of the New Orleans Saints, LSU, 1st Amendment; Real American; Hound of Justice; Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always

    Saints(3-4), LSU(7-0)

  53. nighstalker160 says:

    I say all videogame stores should jump on this and announce support for the boycott. Maybe then the politicians will get off their backs for a little for being   "responsible."

    Of course, the stores can forget to mention that they don’t sell this game anyway.

    Details, details…

  54. DavCube says:

    Good lord… this reminds me of that ESPN College gameday commercial.

    Anchor: We may have figured out a way to know what plays that our #1 school will make! Let’s play the tape!

    *tape plays a weird chant*

    Anchor: Now, playing it BACKWARDS…

    *plays it backwards, but another person gets on the intercom at the same time with the chant*

    Intercom: YOOOU GUUUYS AAAARE MOOOOROOOONS.

  55. KayleL says:

    Congradulations. You made a game that only sold a few copies per year, to handreds, if not, thousands in one month. You are really protecting children…

  56. mogbert says:

    Dang it, is there ANYONE that can clue these idiots in? Someone here live in New York that can write them? Or can we all just buy them a vowel? The game was legal (if in bad taste) where it is made and sold. It isn’t in English. It isn’t sold here and the only way she can justify the "teen" remark is thar 18 and 19 year olds can access porn. The next thing you know we will have "The War on Indecency" and start attacking otaku’s in Japan.

    At least they will be easier to find then teraists. All the interrogators need to do is mention in passing "I heard Kenpachi was stronger then Ichigo…" and arrest everyone who says "WAT? NO WAI!"

  57. CMiner says:

    Y’know, its not going to be long before politicians start holding press conferences to denounce American slavery, the Spanish inquisition, the Nazis, etc etc..

    They are so desperate to find some ‘moral highground’ to stand atop to increase their own profile, that they will grab whatever is at hand however insignificant the subject or unecessary their sudden crusade against it.

  58. Andrew Eisen says:

    "A Teenage Video “Game” Simulating…"

    First of all, putting "game" in quotes is childish.  Grow up.  Second of all, what the hell do you mean by teenage video game?

    "The “Game” Is Now Available In The U.S. Market."

    Really?  Where?

     

    Andrew Eisen

  59. GoodRobotUs says:

    And just to think, until this time last week, only a select few even knew what ‘Rapelay’ was, now, thanks to the timeless efforts of people like this lady, soon everyone will know about it, that’s really going to help.

    Even regardless of the fact she seems to have forgotten that there are other countries in the world other than America, and this game comes from one of those wierd and fantastical places from ‘The Rest of the Planet’, the simple fact is that the ESRB would not allow (or at least, would refuse to certify) such material to be sold in the US. Now people may think that is good, or bad, but that is immaterial, it would still not happen.

    Bandwagon politician wants to do some research before jumping on Bandwagon.

  60. Kincyr says:

    the developers also prohibited exporting the game, which is what resellers need to do to get the game out of Japan

    岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

  61. catboy_j says:

    But most rapists don’t comit rape to have children. They comit rape because they want to have power over someone and make them less them them (which stems out of rage).

  62. Hitodama says:

    Rape is a viable form of procreation. Forced intercourse is rape. Power and rage are not connected. Life doesn’t care how it’s maintained, as long as it is. If we had no society, instances of rape would occur when a lusty male (Raping a man as a female is physically difficult, unless you have Viagra…) is surrounded by unconsenting females. Of course this depends on the person, but there are aggresive people out there.

    Life doesn’t care anything about "musical acuity". And rape is about strength, not skill. You don’t have to be Eintstein to rape somebody. Just a brute.

  63. David says:

    If you’re not willing to accept my instructor’s word, then what difference would it make if I had done so myself?  You’d just denigrate that, instead.

    How about the Japanese soaps that make that part of their culture part of a storyline?  In that case, a character had been raped, it was secret, and a blackmailer threatened her career with that information.  Are you going to now tell me that I can’t draw inferences from their own programming?  (Probably so, it wouldn’t surprise me.)

    And nobody is suggesting a "forced change".  I’m saying that anti-rape groups should introduce their arguments to the Japanese culture.  If you do not introduce a change agent, then there will never be that "discontent".

    While I’m at it, just how much do you know about Japanese culture?  It would seem that the answer is "not a whole lot", because you expect people there to be vocal about wanting a cultural change when that’s exactly the sort of thing the Japanese tend not to do.  Maybe it’s time YOU do some damn research.

  64. Nekowolf says:

    And have you done any research prior to that? How long ago did you have this instructor?

    Furthermore, I could easily argue since you want to change their cultulre, that we should change our culture, say, to be more Middle Eastern. Because, they could argue that it would be beneficial for us.

    What you essentially want is a forced change on another culture that is not even yours, and quite possibly/probably never has been. Sure, you may have heard it from someone who lived in Japan for many years, but to truly understand a culture, you must live among them, and embrace in that culture.

    While I have my own opinions, regardless of the people and their practices, I would not wish a forced change upon them, but an internal change that stems from their own discontent or what ever is wrong.

  65. catboy_j says:

    I don’t fully agree with that statement. While there’s a biological imperative to procreate in men and women, Rape itself is not about sex. It’s abou having power over the victim and rage, not inability to get laid. So perchance if we had no society, the only instance of rape might incur in the insane.

    Plus even if we believe that passing down genes helps to insure things like musical acuity (though judging from the ammount of prodigies born to different sides of life I doubt it), the profiel for most rapists are not super geniuses.

  66. NovaBlack says:

    Yeah…

    Peronally.. on a subjetive level.. this game ISNT for me. TBH i really find it VERY unpleasant, and have ZERO desire to play it. On that part i am 1000000% agreed.

    However.. to say that it is despicable ( i presume this is a moral commentary)… i dont get how mass murder in GTA IV is ‘better’ or ‘not despicable’. In fact in a bizaare way, you could say that looking at the real crimes, that (debatably) the consequences of murder are technically MORE severe than rape.. (honestly not trying in ANY way to downplay the absolute awfulness  of rape here btw). But for some reason one is ‘despicable’ and the other isnt… The real crimes are both awful. But i thought that the whole argument FOR games like GTA being allowed.. is that this is fictional..

    At What particular point does the fact that something is ‘fictional’ apparently stop being a defence to including it in a game/film/book?

    Why  is fictional mass murder not ‘despicable’, yet fictional rape is…

    More importantly.. who is the one who makes the judgement call? Surely if that judgement is subjective, you enter dangerous grounds… and are no better than JT claiming GTA should be banned because of a personal objection to them.

    Hence i believe that an objective view needs to be taken. I may not like this game, i may never want to play it, heck i may or may not even personally think that anyone who does want to play it is a nutjob, but i couldnt sit back and say this should be banned and GTA shouldnt.. for no other reason than bcause ‘I say so’. That would be REALLY hypocritical after fighting for the right to play Games like GTA.

    Just wondering (in a non critical way… just from a philosophical debate viewpoint)  if GP could clarify the views on this one. Its a REALLY interesting debate, with a lot of heated and conflicting views. Havent seen an issue divide the GP community so much in a long while!.

  67. NovaBlack says:

    lol as some1 else stated earlier…

    ”Not even that. The manufacturer clearly express on their website that they aren´t allowed to sold their game in foreing countries.”

    so the maufacturer isnt even allowing it to be sold in the US anyway…

    so this whole thing to ‘stop american distributers’ carrying it.. yeah… waste of time since they cant  carry it anyway.

  68. entr0py says:


    You’d be surprised. They’re certainly not readily available, but they’re also not nearly as difficult to find as you think. Personally I discovered hentai games as a teenager, and was interested in them for a couple years. But I didn’t bother to learn Japanese, or pay for them. Nor did I have to attempt to make sense of Japanese websites, there’s plenty in English. I guess that hampered my enjoyment a little, but how much does the dialogue really add to porn anyway?

    The main drawback is that I never had any clue what I was downloading. And the Japanese have some freaky fetishes, often I’d come across something disturbing, but then I’d just skip it. My point is, in my adolescent quest for naughty video games, I didn’t need to be terribly clever, knowledgeable, or unusually perverse. I just had the normal teenage interests of cartoons, video games and boobs.

    So I was the sort of curious teenager Mrs. Quinn fears will be corrupted, and turned into a remoreseless rape fiend. But nothing could be further from the truth. Sure it was shocking to inadvertently come across that, but it’s also such a ridiculous and comically exaggerated form of fiction that I can’t imagine anyone conflating it with reality. Just like horror movies, it’s not really my cup of tea, but I don’t think those who enjoy them are psychotic or dangerous.

  69. David says:

    That’s the report from a former teacher I had who’d spent 20 years there (the subject was Japanese language, and culture featured heavily in his classes).  Their views on sex aren’t quite the same (and why should they be), but the rape facet was reminiscent of the pre-feminist views in the United States.

  70. David says:

    You’re putting words in my mouth.  Don’t try going down the "you’re an ethnocentrist" route, because it won’t work here.

    I’ve never spent time in Japan.  My reports are from a former Japanese language instructor who spent twenty years there.  He stated that their views on rape were comparable to the way they were here in the US many years ago, where the crime reflects poorly on the woman and carries a deep stigma.  I suggest that refocused efforts on Eastern cultures could bring about a comparable, and dare I say good, change.

    Unless you think their maintaining that stigma is a good thing.  In that case, I know exactly who I can sic the women’s studies department on.

  71. Nekowolf says:

    That’s a rather poor statement. You are basically saying, "We are America. These are our morals. Follow them, we command it."

    Now, first of all…how much do you honestly know about the Japanese culture? Granted, I don’t know much, but…have you ever lived in Japan for, say, six months? A year? More? How many Japanese people do you personally know? If any, have you ever discussed their culture?

    What you are coming off as saying, is Japanese support rape. I am certain that is not the case; while they may have sexual entertainment of such fantasies, well, so do we, here in the US. But that’s all it is. Fantasy.

  72. Hitodama says:

    And I must take issue with the statement that "Rape can never be justified". Morally, no it’s not justifiable. But biologically, it is completely justifiable. Rape can propogate the species, especially the stronger or smarter of the species. This is an obvious boon for life. The point of life is to keep on going, regardless of how.

    Of course, there is no need for it in the modern world. What with 7,000,000,000 of us living on this tiny little planet, we could do with a few less children right now.

  73. SounDemon says:

    If you speak Japanese, and go to a Japanese web site which requires you to be 18, and pay Japanese Yen to purchase the game, and then wait like 2 months for it to be shipped from Japan, then you are probably not "a young boy" anyway.

  74. catboy_j says:

    Being you talked to so many rape victims then you should also know the main thing said to console them are things like "You still have your life" and "You aren’t defined by one event". Similar effects can be said of all violent crimes as well to varying degrees. People who are mugged may become paranoid, and people who are shot may begin to re-evalute their view on gun control or go out and buy a gun for protection. Thus is the effect of a crime.

    There is a "bad end" for this game from what I’ve been told btw, and there isn’t much of a motive past revenge or just violence in some games. Well we have GTA has "consiquences" you can easily cheat those with codes as most people do. The police don’t pursue much when you gun down a crowd of people, women only if you choose, then fly across the water to go pick up ahooker. Helicopter pursuit? Just shoot the police or military chopper down with a god modded rocket launcher. The main draw of the Grand Theft Auto series is supposedly its’ sandbox gameplay and not the plot or missions.

  75. Neeneko says:

    *nods* this specific issue yes, falls more on feminism then gay rights.  The individual though is part of both movements.

    Though feminism actually makes an interesting example it’self.  Durring second wave feminism you generally got the effect that i’m worried about here… specificly one type of woman leading the movement and once it got strong enough pushing other types to the side…. by the 70s and 80s feminism could be described as ‘freedom for women! as long as you choose the way we think is best for the gender’.

    3rd wave however is trying to reverse this and build some of those bridges again.  You get a lot of resistance from the older feminists to this new, inclusive/supportive arrangement but the younger ones often do put energy into helping groups of women that were kinda cast asside in previous decades.

    If this model follows, we might see the gay movement, in about 20 or 30 years, finally trying to rebuild.. but it is questionable who will be listening by then if things do not reverse.

  76. dan888 says:

    One small problem, not sure if it works like this in Japan, but here in the US you can resell such products if you have purchased or imported it.  If I were to release a CD and sell it to people, I don’t have the right to tell people they can’t resell it, nor do I have the right to tell them where they are allowed to resell it. 

  77. Kincyr says:

    exactly: both endings have the rapist killed by one of his victims

    岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

  78. Andrew Eisen says:

    I’d say that would be a beneficial change but are you sure stigmatizing women who’ve been raped is a part of Japanese culture?

     

    Andrew Eisen

  79. Neeneko says:

    I was wondering if someone was going to talk about ‘when rape was deamed unacceptable’.  Most people our age (using the term rather broadly) were not around or really paying attention to earlier periods.  People tend to not realize just how much has changed in the last 100 years.

    It should also be noted, to State, that rape is generally considered a valid warfare tactic, at least among cultures that do not have a stong military/civilian split (with good media) like the US and Europe have.  Other times and places though, rape is just another tool of war.  It results in happier troops, demoralized opponents, reduction in the next generation of combatiants….

  80. Neeneko says:

    Unfortunatly one of the underlying reasons that rape is so traumatic is that american sociaty still has the idea that a woman’s value is the virtue she can bring to her husband, therefore rape takes away from her primary value as a human.

    This does not deminish, in any way, how people feel about being raped.  It does, however, bring to light a bit of nasty stealth sexism still in our sociaty that people do not like talking about… and one of the root reasons these people feel so horrible about what they went through.

  81. catboy_j says:

    Actually rape wasn’t really deamed unacceptable until after the feminist movement… There wasn’t even laws prohibiting spousal rape. Additionally animals also rape each other. And Murder in games so far has sparked intense controversy. Same as violence in TV shows. But people have always fought against what they deem unacceptable portrayals of something. You think every change stems from the majority?

    Plus it doesn’t take a moron to see what she’s saying is wrong because it equates to either lying or just intentionally ignoring the facts.

  82. State says:

    If you believe that you can change human opinion that has stayed the same for over thousands of year, well good luck to you, but you are well and truly deluded.

    "A Clockwork Orage", guess what? Caused a lot of controversy due to its depiction of rape. Rapelay, guess what? Caused a lot of controversy due to its depiction of rape.

    Fact: There is an acceptable side to killing in human society, there are times when it is justified. Rape can never be justified. That is why for thousands of years humans see rape as much worse. Look at Japanese culture where there is an honour about killing, there has never been honour about rape.

    Your example Mortal Kombat. It involves a battle between two people to the death, both people have consented to the outcome. Rapelay is not about consent (obviously it wouldn’t be rape if it were).

    In society there is a romantisation of serial killers (even those who kill innocent people), why? Perhaps we are sadistic, but deep down we understand that some forms of killing can be justified.

    People don’t have to kill animals, but will animals stop killing each other? Perhaps we should campaign for a peaceful nature where all animals eat only vegetables and not each other. Again killing exists in all forms of nature.

    I am simply showing you the reasons why society deems this game worse than games that depict murder. And that is an opinion you will not change, whether you agree with it or not is up to you, but you won’t be able to change it, but at least understand the reasoning behind which you seem to be battling against.

  83. Jack Wessels says:

    Waste of time. Waste of money. Waste of…well of life really….

     

    -"A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

  84. catboy_j says:

    I think you need to jump off your high horse. People need to apply some bloody fucking logic. There is only one perogative for playing mortal kombat and that’s to kill the other person. Even in the earlier games it was about the fight for earth realm, but you don’t have to play an earth realm warrior which means if you win technically you drag the earth into eturnal darkness.

    Have you ever seen "A Clockwork Orange"? People still don’t HAVE to kill animals btw. It’s possible to live a healthy vegitarian diet contrary to popular belief. Most people don’t HAVE to kill other people they choose to. What about the rape victims who actually say this game is ok? Maybe we just don’t get all those people who say we should be more traumatized? You’re saying that boohoo the game is worse cause society says so get over it. But the entire point is to fight mis conceptions in society and media. Like when women were presented as only being able to be housewives in media, or when gays are shown only in a negative light people speak up.

  85. Sukasa says:

    Maybe they have it behind the counter?  I know Books-a-Million has playboy, and about 8 or so other "adult" magazines and then you got the sexuality section (the store I work, we had a church want to boycott us because we had a gay sex and sexuality section near the store’s cafe where employes could watch it to keep kids out)  We moved it to the back, but we cant watch it now as easily, so kids can easily go back and read up on 365 positions a year or some other book. 

  86. David says:

    I’m thinking that the "beneficial change in Japanese culture" would be the one that destigmatizes women who’ve been raped.  Will I get argument from you on that, too?

  87. JessJames says:

    Exactly what I was thinking…

    That strays dangerously into the territory of thinking that something is worse because it’s different, and judging people who aren’t you based on your own values.

    I’d be careful with shit like that. Seriously.

  88. Sukasa says:

    Though we got to take into consideration that these type of people believe that video games are a kids toy and ignore all evidence that adults play games (prob more then kids)

  89. cpt crunchie says:

    how could you play that? i’ve tried games like that before, and it is just…meh. for one thing, i don’t read moonspeak, so most of the game is lost on me, and for another, it is just like you described…watching paint dry. i never understood people who played those games.

     

    It is not murder; I am merely advancing the hands of the clock, just a bit.

  90. cpt crunchie says:

    this is sickening. they make it out to be like it’s a game widely available, like a console game, something teenagers are getting there hands on quite easily. it’s not as if you could just walk down to your local wal-mart and buy it.

    besides, if a teenager IS getting his hands on it, well…for one thing, he must be pretty smart, because he learned japanese and was able to get it from a jap site, he has a credit card somehow, and he is already FAR into the land of alternative porn.

     

    It is not murder; I am merely advancing the hands of the clock, just a bit.

  91. Kincyr says:

    here’s what I sent:

    contrary to your claims, Amazon, eBay and Overstock didn’t pull the game because of it’s content, they pulled it because the resellers violated their Terms of Use: the developers forbade the game from being sold outside of Japan. Because of this, it will NEVER officially be in English, much less be found in a store in the US, ever. Sorry to be blunt, but you can’t cherry-pick when judging something: there are two endings in the game, both of which resulting in the rapist getting killed, which is contrary to your claim that this game "tells boys it’s okay to sexually assault girls"

    In short: You can’t boycott a product that isn’t legally sold in the region you live in.

    My apologies if I sound rude at any point in this, I don’t like the public to be misinformed of any controversies, especially when, aside from the controversy, something wouldn’t have sold in the first place

    岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

  92. Elestia says:

    "… but New York City Council Speaker Christine Quinn said Monday that the game is available on other Web sites…"

    *facepalm*

    Of course Rapelay is on other web sites, I’m not even sure if Quinn actually wants to ban this game indiscrimately from the internet.

  93. Father Time says:

    It’s illegal for children to be sold a copy of rapeplay. In order for a parent to buy the game for their children they have to be browsing places that sell japanese porn.

    They also have to be unaware that the game is only in Japanese.
     

    Let’s not let facts get in the way of scapegoating no siree.
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    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

  94. nighstalker160 says:

    I’ve never seen Playboy at a Barnes and Noble. And I’ve been to several in several different states. Where are you shopping?

  95. Father Time says:

    Not only that but since it is a pronographic game it is all ready illegal to sell the game to children.

    So they’re condemning a piece of pornography for not being appropriate for children.

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    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

  96. State says:

    Yes your argument makes more sense, although I would be more inclined to say that this issue is due to feminism rather than gay rights, and anyway it’s really about cheap political point scoring over an issue that just about everyone would support.

  97. State says:

    I think people need to accept that murder in fiction is not taboo as rape is. People need to get over this point that "if you support GTA then you must support Rapelay". Human society has a fascination with murder, heroes real and fictional kill. Every war we have is about killing people. Killing has been around since the dawn of time, we kill animals to eat. Killing can be justified, rape is and can never be justified.

    The missions in GTA are mainly about killing enemies, the same goes for Manhunt. There isn’t really a perogative for killing innocent people, but even if there was serial killers can be anti-heroes, just look at all those Friday 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, Hannibal Lector type films, the serial killer is likeable. The same is not true of rapists. There has never been a lovable rogue who rapes people in films. Again murder is seen differently to rape in human society, accept it.

  98. Father Time says:

    The amount of idiocy/ignorance in the conference disgusts me so much that I think we should have a caption contest.

    Here’s mine

    "Ok the rapist’s penis in the game is this long. How are real rapists supposed to feel good about themselves when they have such unrealistic role models?"

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    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

  99. Pierre-Olivier says:

    Heh. They’ll only be grasping.

    I wish I could see their face when they’ll notice that this game has never been sold in the US.

  100. E. Zachary Knight says:

    The Barnes and noble in my area sells Playboy, Where are you shopping? But I get the idea behind the message and said basically the same thing, but my sarcasm was turned up way high at the beginning.

    Yes, I saw it being sold. I saw it sold on a Japanese adult game site. Although I am unable to read Japanese, I recognized the cover. How dare those Japanese adult game websites transmit their data on a global internet into the United States of America.

    Was that not what you were expecting?

    The game was sold by a random guy on a site that allows random guys to sell their stuff through said site. He most likely bought it from one of those Japanese sites I mentioned above.

    This game is not available in any actual retail outlet in the United States. How you were so ignorant of the matter is beyond me. You most likely saw all the controversy over it from Keith Vaz that you just felt that it would be a great way to score brownie points with women and parents.

    Try doing some actual research on these matters. If you were to do a search for the game on the ESRB (Entertainment Software Ratings Board) web site (www.esrb.org) you would find absolutely no mention of it anywhere as they have not received it for rating.

    If you were to call up any game retailer in your area such as GameStop or Best Buy before making your comments you would have been met with a lot of people who have no idea what game you were talking about and they would be unable to find it in their inventory as the game is not available in the US.

    The only way you can find the game in the US is to either import it from the previously mentioned Japanese adult game websites or from someone who has previously imported the game.

    Thank you for your time.

    E. Zachary Knight
    Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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  101. Lou says:

    Politicians like this are the scum of america. When you knowingly pull stunts like this just to feed your own personal ego you are a despicable human being.

    By the way I played this game a long time ago and if I were to protest this game I would complain about how awful this game is. It;s like watching paint dry.

  102. Andrew Eisen says:

    For me, the absolute worst is when someone you care about dies from a medical ailment like cancer or a brain tumor.  Why?  Because unlike with rape and murder, there’s no one to blame.

     

    Andrew Eisen

  103. David says:

    I’d like to think some good will come out of this.  Perhaps someone will think, "Wait, this game is actually being sold… in JAPAN!  Maybe that’s where we should focus our anti-rape messages."  And then they do, and a beneficial change in Japanese culture comes about.

  104. nighstalker160 says:

    Ever talked to a rape victim? I have, interviewed many of them while working in a prosecutor’s office. Know what the attempted suicide rate is among sexual assault victims? It’s pretty damn high.

    Pretty fair to say a fairly large number of rape/sexual assault victims think its worse than death.

    Additionally, even in games like Manhunt, the overall goal of the game is not simply to kill as many people as possible. There is a story to play it.

    In a game like RapeLay there IS NOT POINT except the rape. The plot of the game is to rape.

    That makes a difference, there is no interest in playing the game beyond the fact that you get to rape people. It isn’t just because "rape is worse than murder."

    While I do agree with you that, at least in American society, there is this hyper sensitivity to issues regarding sex that doesn’t exist when you consider violence, the issue is more complex than you are presenting it as.

  105. iceman654 says:

    Why is rape supposedly worse than murder? Because the victim is still around to feel the after effects? Sorry but that doesn’t hold up. What about the family of the victim left behind after a murder? Given a choice, can we really speak for everybody in saying they’d rather be murdered than raped? I think that what it comes down to once again is sex. What about attempted murder where, hypothetically, the victim is left permanently crippled? Same deal as rape.

    Why is it OK for there to be a plethora of mainstream games out there which basically promote murder (Manhunt1/2)? but something involving sex is automatically worse?

    Give me a break. If you’ve ever played a game like Manhunt and enjoyed it, you have no place speaking ill of this game. The hypocrisy of humans is disgusting. Who in their right mind would rather have their head cut off by some serial killer than be raped and still able to live life? Yeah rape changes people, it damages them mentally for life but so do a lot of other things.

    Hello, murder and rape are huge problems everywhere in the world. Yet virtually every single game out there contains some degree of murder.

  106. JessJames says:

    Thankyou.

    A rational person after my own heart. I’ve been waiting for someone to say that.

    I agree 100%, and just had to post to say so.

    The point here is that gaming revolves, like all fiction, around fantasy. Every person has a different type of fantasy that they enjoy; be it sexual or otherwise.

    We either respect all, or oppress all.

    And really, there is only one choice.

    This game depicts a crime… however enjoying the game is NOT one.

    GTAIV depicts crimes, but enjoying the game is NOT one.

    This game is not despicable. It’s a fantasy, which can be enjoyed by anyone. The real life act itself is despicable, but that’s all, and that’s all there is to it.

    Believe me when I tell you that you people shouting out about how terrible the existence of this game is… you’d probably be shocked at how many people in your street/workplace/social circle/life would find it’s content enjoyable… and without being bad people, criminals or rapists.

    Sometimes I really wonder about people.

  107. GRIZZAM PRIME says:

    All that "Teaches kids" crap is immediately knocked aside by the fact that this is a PORNOGRAPHIC video game. "Kids" aren’t supposed to be playing it at all.

     

    I commend these people for there efforts to prevent sexual assault, but they need to make sure they know what they speak of.

  108. nighstalker160 says:

    For those interested, the NYC Council’s webpage is

    http://council.nyc.gov/html/home/home.shtml

    They actually have a link on the side to "let them know" if you see RapeLay being sold.

    I submitted a comment as follows

    This video game is NOT being sold by any retail store IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

    RapeLay is a JAPANESE video game, produced by a Japanese company, in Japan.

    There is NO official commercial version of this game in the ENGLISH language.

    The ONLY way to obtain this video game in the U.S. is to either

    1) Import it directly from Japan (are you suggesting private importations should be illegal)

    OR

    2) By it direct from a private seller who imported the game. While this may be done through a service such as Ebay or Amazon it is NOT being "sold" by those retailers.

    In either case, to actually play it on an American computer would require an unofficial (and some could argue illegal) "English language mod" create by other users. It is not available for commercial sale.

    NO retail store in the country sells this game. Despicable as it is, this is a complete non-issue.

    Basically Madame Speaker you are basically asking retailers to NOT sell a product THEY HAVE NEVER SOLD.

    Asking mainstream retailers like "GameStop" or Wal-Mart to "stop" selling this game is like asking Barnes and Noble to stop selling Playboy. Pointless and a waste of the responsibilities the taxpayers have asked you.

    Isn’t New York City (where my family still resides) in serious economic trouble? Maybe you should look into that instead of focusing on an issue that does not exist.

  109. GoodRobotUs says:

    It’s also a matter of honour-payments in Japan, apparently, cases can be settled out of court with cash-payments, and so that helps keep the rates down because cases that are resolved in that manner are not considered guilty pleas.

  110. Neeneko says:

    To be fair, while Japan has low violent crime rates,  from talking to girls I’ve known from Japan I’ve gotten the distinct impression that crimes like rape have massive underreporting (significant shame, blame the victim, and low probabilty the police will actually help) and it is generally felt that violence against women is at least on-par if not a greater problem then the US.

    Unfortunatly I have no statistics to back this up (part of the problem with under reporting). 

    Though one thing to keep in mind with the US is that a LOT of resources and social engineering have gone into getting the report rates up by de-stigmatizing rape and assuring people that the police will do something about it. 

  111. KayleL says:

    Ok, responce to the update. How is this teaching young men to be sexually violent and women as worthless when this game comes from a country that is known for this kind of stuff, has tons of these games, yet, have some of the lowest crime rates in the world?

  112. Wormdundee says:

     You disappoint me once again Dennis. Every time you’ve posted a story about this game you’ve managed to throw in some line about how it’s ‘despicable’ or some similar term.

    I know this has been mentioned by other people, but it seems a bit hypocritical to be taking such a hard stance against this game when you are quite clearly against the notion that something like GTA4 is harmful or horrific in some way.

    Personally, I have no problems at all with this game. It’s a bit odd, and I’m not sure if I would be into playing it, but I’d have no bad words to say about anyone who enjoyed it.

  113. Neeneko says:

    I think we ended up on differnt pages here.

    The councilwoman is an active member of the gay rights movement.

    One of the things the higher ups in that movement has been doing over the last decade or so is slowly casting out other sexual freedom groups.  The relavent one in this case would be the BDSM community since rape play and other forms of concentual sexual violence/domination are a major part of that community.

    Attacking the existance of games like this it is a backhanded attack on communities that DO integrate this kind of fantasy into thier sexuality.  She is saying that it is NOT ok to have this kind of fantasy, and it is not worth the risk of people developing this kind of fantasy. 

    The same kind of argument used for why one should not see gay characters in movies/tv/games… the risk that others might relate and follow such interests.  So she (along with others) are using an anti-gay argument against other groups in order to deflect such arguments away from her own community. 

    It is esp frustrating, in the BDSM case, since the gay rights community got SO much support from the BDSM community for decades and now that the gay leadership’s possition has changed they have decided to turn on their old allies rather then return the help.

    This is also a classical example of why liberal movements do so poorly compared to concervative movements.  Unfortunatly XYZ rights groups have a bad habbit of working together till one of them gains some level of acceptance and then sides with the people they were fighting, against their old friends.

  114. State says:

    Now that is one hell of a stretch, trying to link the existence of a Japanese pornographic game aimed at heterosexual men with that of gay rights.

    Example:

    "There’s a game you play a man raping women."

    – "This all the fault of gay people that this game exists."

    – "Thanks to gay people, people who enjoy rape are now criticised. Look at the bad work of gay rights."

     

    I honestly don’t know your logic. So because gay people aren’t discriminated it’s bad because rape now gets criticised?

  115. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    Ahh. Thanks for pointing that out.

    See, kids! It’s great to learn! Cause knowledge is power!

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  116. State says:

    It’s unfortunate that this piece of hardcore pornography was found by a journalist browsing the Internet for some sensationalist stories. The whole story (typically) has been blown out of proportion. The porno (it’s not a video game in the common sense of the term it’s interactive porn) is not available on general release in the States or in the West.

    The existence of such material helps people to jump on the bandwagon of games being evil and unknown (eg Do you know what your children are up to on their own in front of screen?). Whether or not the politician in question knows the truth about the game is unknown, but of course it’s an easy campaign to support and an easy bandwagon to jump on.

    It of course helps to promote this image of games makers trying to corrupt children and in this case helping to reinforce a perception some people have that teenage boys are sexually aggressive and that female rights still have a long way to go.

    No doubt the general public will assume that the games industry behind GTA is behind Rapelay and believe further the "corrupt morals" of the industry. I don’t see any comments that make the distinction between this game from a Japanese pornographic specialist and normal games.

  117. Neeneko says:

    The truely depressing part of this is that it is a wonderful example of the gay community, now that it isn’t completely fringe, turning on the other alternative sexuality communities and offering them up for sacrifice to it’s new mainstream allies.

    "look! we aren’t radical! we can help you take down the REAL perverts!"

    I can’t decide if the word ‘depressing’ or ‘disgusting’ better applies.. but it is making me increasingly question how much support I should have for the modern gay rights movement and community.

  118. MaskedPixelante says:

    … BUT IT’S NOT AN AMERICAN MADE GAME! And, even IF Amazon and eBay ban the game, you can probably still get in on Play-Asia. You’re doing NOTHING by calling for a boycott. If anything, you’re ENCOURAGING that people buy it.

    —You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

  119. Andrew Eisen says:

    "It tells boys it’s okay to sexually assault girls, and it tells girls they are worthless."

    No it doesn’t.

     

    Andrew Eisen

  120. GoodRobotUs says:

    The crueler side of me wants to suggest a caption competition for that photograph that’s just been added, seriously, could they have picked a more inopportune moment to snap a photograph?

  121. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    "Video games of this nature are beyond appalling, and people of good conscience need to speak out against them. Sexual violence is a major problem in America and video games like this send the exact wrong message to young people. It tells boys it’s okay to sexually assault girls, and it tells girls they are worthless. The New York City Alliance Against Sexual Assault is hopeful that American distributors will reject this game and the aberrant behavior it promotes."

    Once again, another example of politicians who don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about. Another example of someone who is allowing their emotions to blind their senses and steer them in a completely wrong direction. Now, how shall I dissect this?….

    "…video games like this send the exact wrong message to young people. It tells boys it’s okay to sexually assault girls, and it tells girls they are worthless."

    One, this isn’t marketed towards "young people", only adults.

    Two, the game has a fictitious setting and scenario: if someone were raped in real life and the rapist was caught afterwards, the rapist would go to jail.

    Three, since this game is marketed to adults, I assume that only adults play it (if you allow your child to play this game, you are a bad parent. Smack yourself across the face as hard as you can, then take the game away). An adult, unlike a child, knows the difference between right and wrong, and can fully grasp the consequences of unlawful behavior, discussed in No. 2. Also, I doubt many women play this game; the game does not exactly cater to women, nor is there a gender selection option at the start of the game.

    "The New York City Alliance Against Sexual Assault is hopeful that American distributors will reject this game and the aberrant behavior it promotes."

    American distributors can easily say they don’t carry the game all they want, because they probably never carried it in the first place.

    Though I do commend the NYCAASA for existing and striving to prevent actual sexual assault, I think both them and Ms. Quinn dropped the ball on this one.

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    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  122. Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    "This game is only sold and marketed to adults, it is not available on the open U.S. market, it’s probably only sold at adult entertainment expos and/or the hentai manufacturer’s website, etc., etc., etc."

    Not even that. The manufacturer clearly express on their website that they aren´t allowed to sold their game in foreing countries.

    You would lost your case if you forgotten to mention that. Not to forget to explain what "hentai" means.

    The cynical side of videogames (spanish only): http://thelostlevel.blogspot.com/ My DeviantArt Page (aka DeviantCensorship): http://www.darkknightstrikes.deviantart.com/

  123. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    I present to you, GPers, with a hypothetical situation: what I would do if I were allowed to speak at the news conference:

    "Hello, everyone. I hope you are all doing well."

    "If I could, I’d like for everyone to take part in a quick little study. Right now, I’d like for all the cameras to point towards me, to protect the anonimity of the participants, please. Now…"

    "If anyone here in the audience thinks that a person masturbating to simulated rape games are worse than actual physical rape, I’d like for you to please stand up at this moment….Okay, thank you. You may sit back down."

    "If anyone here believes that actual physical rape, meaning a person goes out into the streets, kidnaps someone (doesn’t matter who), takes that person to an unspecified location, and rapes them, is worse than that same person masturbating to an animated rape game, a porn game with a fictitious scenario involving cartoon women being raped by a cartoon man, please stand up now."

    "…That’s what I thought. I rest my case."

    …I should probably include something along the lines of "This game is only sold and marketed to adults, it is not available on the open U.S. market, it’s probably only sold at adult entertainment expos and/or the hentai manufacturer’s website, etc., etc., etc."

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  124. kurbster says:

    As first I loled….then I came from all the laughter

    I can’t wait until they come out and demand the closure of Bittorent….oh wait, Bittorent is more than a company?

    fap hard, my brothers

  125. nighstalker160 says:

    Not only that, but it looks like a Wii case doesn’t it (the white). Which would just freak parents out more since the Wii is portrayed as a console for children.

  126. MartyB says:

     Looking at the picture…

    Is it just me or it looks like they slapped a picture of the game into a actual game case, or I’m just paranoid that they’re making it look like they went out and bought the game.

  127. GrimCW says:

    yes it is avail on the net, but NOT in u.s. retail stores. these politicians actually claimed the game was for sale IN STORES, not just online.

    and even when sold online its in an non-domestic import, or illegal copy, and can’t be blocked so easily without blockading online sales of software, and importing of goods.

     

    these politicians are idiots with the best of’em, i heard some of the crap they spewed off and they called it "rape play" and claimed that "other players can join in"

     

    last i checked its Single player only and its name didn’t have the second P.

    NY’s political status has hit rock bottom since hillary made her stay here for awhile, and its just getting worse and worse as time goes on. these old coots need to get the F out of the state, and we also need some politicians that aren’t from the damned city alone. majority of the state senate is from that misinformed, misaligned, pit of a city, and it proves that the rest of the state is suffering at that hell holes hands.

    upstate is shot and ignored thanks to that place, and worse, half those city idiots don’t even know there is anything beyond their little trash pile.

  128. NovaBlack says:

    To be honest i was more interested in the logical/moral justification for GP’s (and many other GP readers) reasoning.

    I just cant get my head around how it isnt just plain hypocritical….

  129. Andrew Eisen says:

    That’s one of the problems with the Miller Test.  Its terms aren’t defined.  For example, how do you quantify "serious literary value"?  The game seems to contain a moral and even some light political commentary (although you could easily argue "

    cliché").  Is that enough to qualify its literary value as serious?

    In my opinion, the game holds serious artistic and scientific value and therefore fails the Miller Test.

     

    Andrew Eisen

  130. nighstalker160 says:

    But the mere existence of a plot does not resolve the issue. If the plot is merely some tacked on contrivance that only serves to connect scenes of gratutious rape it is still obscene.

    If the work, when taken as a whole, is whout serious artistic, literary, or political value, is patetly offensive when applying contemporary community standards, and appeals the prurient interest in sex. It is obscene and NOT protected by the First Amendment.

  131. dan888 says:

    I can’t say anything informed as I haven’t played it, but to my understanding some (if not all) of the endings lead to a bad end for the main character.  I would guess (however, as said, I am not sure if this is the case) that there has to be some type of plot development rather than just rape scenes to lead to such an ending.

  132. nighstalker160 says:

    Having the plot does not necessarily mean there is something beyond the "rape."

    Does teh plot have anything to do with taking the story beyond committing rape?

  133. catboy_j says:

    There is a plot to it actually. Rather a player chooses to care about said plot is up to the player though as in the earlier still much played Mortal Kombat games or the GTA series.

  134. BrandonL337 says:

    So do I, as I say all the time, Creationism is the crutch of the stupid.

    There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can’t do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

  135. Chaplain99 says:

    OR they actually do care about the game, they just don’t care about your opinions as much.

     

    "HEY! LISTEN!"

  136. gamadaya says:

    lol, they don’t even care about the game. It’s just a tool for them to acquire more votes and power.

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    Internet troll > internet paladin

  137. gamadaya says:

    I like how you tossed creationist in there for good measure

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    Internet troll > internet paladin

  138. EvilTikiMan says:

    That is why we need to start calling them on it when they do this kind of stuff. They have become to complacent with it and their power, which as a result is hurting the rest of us.

    ********************READ THIS, and Think about it************

    Responsibility: Its time that the next generation takes up the reigns of power in our government, before the old fools who hold them steer this country of ours closer to capsizing. We must act before its to late to repair the damage.

    *******************************************************

  139. Neeneko says:

    Why should they?

    They do what gets them votes.  So in the end it is the voter’s fault for encouraging this behavior.  If politicians actually took political damage for getting facts wrong you better believe they would start getting them right.

  140. Chaplain99 says:

    Y’know, there are still those that maintain that Alma doesn’t actually rape you, that it’s all consensual.

    I guess we’re all still uncomfortable with the idea of an undead 20-something woman raping a burly Delta Force Operative.

    "HEY! LISTEN!"

  141. Ambiguous says:

    SPOILER ALERT: F.E.A.R. 2, don’t read if you don’t want any surprises ruined.  If you haven’t played fear2 yet, and intend to at some point, don’t bother looking into what I just wrote, you’ll ruin a major part of the plot for yourself.  Also, anyone commenting on it (if there are any) try not to give anything away.

     

     

    This may be a little off topic, but did you know theres an actual modern game with rape in it sold in the U.S.?  Yup: F.E.A.R. 2.

    Sure as hell hit me by surprise when I played it, lol.  I wonder if these people would have a problem with the rape portrayed in that.  I mean, the circumstances are very different than in Rapelay, it’s not explicitly shown (though heavily hinted at with sound and a few less-than-a-second clips, plus the final scene of you-know-who), and its actually story driven and not just to push any envelopes, but its definitely rape and its definitely there in a widely sold title.

    I for one thought the surprise was hilariously awesome.  Can’t wait for the next game.  If you won’t play the game, just google for it and im sure you’ll come across plenty of info and youtube vids.

    Also, we need spoiler tags.  Any chance we can get those?  It’d be nice for limiting some post lengths at any rate, or placing pics within.  I mean, this is a gaming site, people are bound to discuss games so it’d be nice not to have something spoiled by glancing through comments.

     

  142. State says:

    It was not Vaz who found the game, it was the Belfast Telegraph, and then someone asked for his comments on the game.

  143. Father Time says:

    It was the British mongrel Vaz who discovered the game.

    Our resident anti-gaming nut looks for gay porn in games and I guess Vaz is the one looking for rape.

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    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

  144. Orelup says:

    Actually it does have a gang rape scene.

    I played a ‘less than legal’ copy a long time ago for shits and giggles. There was a gang rape mode, and a mode where you can have sex with the 3 women at the same time (mother’s and sisters so that’s an incest scene too).

    I believe the only ‘real’ ending to the game is if you get one of the girls pregnant and don’t abort the child (i think you were able to abort it, didn’t play it that much really, this is all from review/walkthrough sites i read) you’d get randomly killed one day by one of your targets.

    A side note, the game is completely in Japanese with no english translation. There are 3rd party modders that have translated most of the game, but most of the actual ‘story’ of the game is almost impossible to understand.

    In the end i was suprised at the interactivity of the game, but other than that it just made me say ‘those crazy japanese, they’ll make anything’. Just surprised it took american media this long to discover the game.

  145. Nekowolf says:

    Actually, no. An independent or third-party canidate would have lost. And really, there’s one massive reason for this; money.

    Nowadays, money plays a huge part in campaigns. Staff and advertisement, for example. Furthermore, an independent or third-party does not have the influence the two main parties, Democrats and Republicans, have, and aren’t able to garner as much support because of their much smaller size.

    Unless there is an immense radical change, the best than can be hoped is small, gradual changes in influence. Otherwise, we’ll be pretty much just two parties for a very, very long time.

  146. Nekowolf says:

    All you essentially did was bash on liberals. Call it what you will; observation, argument, opinion, statement, what ever. It all comes down to the same thing. Just bashing on liberals. I don’t mind opposition when there’s intellect behind it. But I fail to see yours showing so far.

    And don’t be so naive. Politics will never go away. Neither will politicians. They have been around since the dawning of civilization, and will continue so long civilization persist. You may want to study up on your history; I’ll even be kind enough to give you a starting point. Read up on the politics of ancient Rome.

  147. Verbinator says:

     

    You get my point. Dennis is a good journalist and I’m certain that his research revealed the woman’s political affiliation. Perhaps he felt it was irrelevant. I didn’t. Heck, given her being from NYC would have been a fairly good indicator of it. If she had been a Republican, that fact would have been trumpeted.

    And yes, all sorts of irony are in play here.

    –Verbinator

  148. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    That’s why I was so pissed off with the Independents and all other third-parties: none of them made a move during the past election. After the incompetence of Bush, any assortment of third party candidates could’ve made their move to take the White House. Yet none of them did: they all just sat around, like a bunch of lame ducks with no cajones. Don’t get me wrong; I’m happy that the Dems won this time around, but the Independents had the perfect chance, and they blew it.

    Sorry, off-topic! Just wanted to get that out.

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  149. MechaTama31 says:

    He isn’t saying "They do this because they’re democrats".  He’s saying that, because they are Democrats, it is less likely that their party affiliation will be mentioned when they do something stupid like this.  And in general, I’d have to say that’s true.  Whether that applies to this particular case, who knows?  City council is relatively small potatos, and the national party line is toed less firmly by such people.  It seems entirely plausible that Dennis didn’t know, or didn’t think it worth mentioning, that she was a Democrat.

    At any rate, what does it matter?  Democrats and Republicans are all trying to screw you over in their own ways.  The only value I can see in knowing which party one of these shmucks belong to is so that I can know which particular flavor of irony is contained in their idiotic notions.

  150. Neeneko says:

    Point.  ‘cornerstone’ would be a poor analogy in this case.  Though in modern usage there is the concept of ‘the cornerstone’ (which applies to the antient case) and ‘a cornerstone’ which defines a boundry needed to maintain the structure but does not by it’self define it.

    The old concept of ‘cornerstone’ has partly been replaced with the newer image of ‘keystone’ which maintained the ‘one and only one’ image.

  151. lordlundar says:

    Actually, no, you didn’t. Political leanings aren’t relevant to this discussion and neither is the claim of a coverup by the media. Dennis doesn’t put political party stances for civic government officials because it’s irrelevant. State and Federal get mentions because they get elected on the party’s platform. Civic officials gets elected because they are the best person out of the choices for the job.

    So here you are saying that their political leaning is the cause and throw an insult at that party as well. Called out on it and you start throwing indirect insults at Dennis and direct insults at Nekowolf.

    There are other places you can scream "They do this because they’re democrats" and other places you can scream "It’s a media conspiracy" and a LOT of places where the two are mixed and you can insult people that support the other party all day long. Please do everyone a favor and go there.

  152. Verbinator says:

    @Nekowolf:  Touchy, aren’t we? And rude. And definitely far nastier than my STATEMENT and observation, not my lack of "argument" deserved.

    I  made a point relative to the discussion as a whole, and a trend in the press to overlook political affiliation when it suits their purposes. Political affiliation matters because the Liberal/Conservative line mostly draws down between Dems and Republicans. The press seems to omit political afflilation mostly in articles dealing with Democratic/Liberal politicians, because in cases like this, it makes the people they supported into office look like asses.

    So, when a politician takes up a moral cause issue, the general knee-jerk assumption is just another stupid "Republican/Conservative/Neo Con/Bible Thumper, Nazi, etc. … whatever derogatory term du jour that floats your boat). The name of the politician will soon be forgotten, but the hateful thoughts and attitudes toward those "idiots" who oppose the way you think will linger … even though they actually came from your own allies.

    Save your juvenile attacks ad hominem and jr. high school smart ass potty mouth for Jack.

    Verbinator

  153. Baruch_S says:

    I don’t think you understand the concept of a cornerstone. In ancient buildings, the cornerstone basically determined the entire structure of the building because it was the first stone placed. Saying the nanny state is a cornerstone of liberal retoric means that everything they say or do is based off the idea that the people need to be protected from themselves.

    Since almost everything they do assumes that the people are too stupid to take care of themselves, I’d say their nanny state is just as central to their side as forcing morality is to the conservative side. Both sides need to realize that human adults are adults and should be allowed to do what they like (as long as it doesn’t violate the rights of or endanger other people) and be solely responsible for the consequences.

  154. Neeneko says:

    Quite true, nanny state is a cornerstone of modern liberal retoric.  But it is, at least in part, a stand alone pillar, which I think results in it being less visable.

    While on the concervative side, since the topic overlaps multiple interlocking pillars it ends up getting a lot more speech time.

  155. Nekowolf says:

    But not all, do not forget that. I am a hardcore liberal, and if anything, I find the very idea of a nanny state very nonliberal.

    They’re not really all that liberal in the end.

  156. Zerodash says:

    In all fairness, the Nanny-State is a cornerstone of much Liberal Ideaology today.  Conservatives want this stuff regulated because games don’t match their so-called "morality".  Liberals want this stuff regulated to protect the people from themselves…"for the children".

    Both Liberals & Conservatives suck, IMO.

  157. Zerodash says:

    Possibly.  Personally, I would wager that had this been a Republican, the title would have been "Republican NY City Council Speaker Will Call for Retail Boycott " 

  158. Neeneko says:

    I would be curoius, statisticly, how accurate this actually is.

    There is no doubt that there are many democrats on the anti-game-protect-the-children bandwagon, and game politics does report on them when they say something on topic.  So it really comes down to how often to democrats say such things vs how often do concervative republicans.

    I would wager that democrats use the topic in thier retoric less frequently thus there is less to report.  Since the video game debate touches on multiple points of the concervative platform (rather then the rather narrow impact of the liberal one) it would make sense that it comes up more often.

    But without some good hard numbers it is hard to say which guess is actually correct.

  159. Baruch_S says:

    It could also have something to do with the fact that she’s only on the City Council. She’s just not important enough for her party affiliation to matter.

  160. Nekowolf says:

    Alright, I’ll give you that. I’m just in a spot of a bad mood, what with a damn headache. Though, of course, I do not deny that both sides have their share of stupidity.

    But yes, I was commenting more on the attitude of the post.

  161. Zerodash says:

    While the tone of the original comment is a bit nasty, I do need to point out that this blog is more prone to single-out Repubs/Conservatives when they say stupid things about games. 

    Don’t get me wrong, I respect Dennis and (most) of the posters here, but lets be honest here.  Dems/Libs are less often described as so when they say stupid things about games.

  162. nighstalker160 says:

    NovaBlack;

    What I’ll say is this.

    At least in games like GTAIV or Manhunt there is a point to the game BEYOND the killing. The killing is part of the game, but the point behind the game (note, the point of the work itself, not what users make of it) is to complete objectives and follow the story.

    RapeLay has no point beyond "Let’s rape these women." And that is what makes it worse than the "murder" portrayed in other games. The entire focus of the game is how best to sexually assault and rape a mother and her daughters. There is no goal beyond that.

    Do I think RapeLay should be illegal? No. However, it most definitely meets the definition of obscenity. There is no Social, Literary, Artistic or Political value to the game (taken as a whole), it clearly appeals to the prurient interest in sex, and it is patently offensive to the average reasonable person when applying community standards.

     

  163. catboy_j says:

    Agreed. I thought about e-mailing GP a few times to ask for a comment to further explain his opinion, but I figured he was probly to busy to notice the constant asking. Then he commented in one of the JT articles >> So I think he doesn’t want to explain it further for some reason.

  164. NovaBlack says:

    just thought id post this as a standalone post…. (posted as a reply earlier)

    But it raises some important issues! (the original post was in answer to gp commenting that the game is ‘despicable’ and that amazon ‘did the right thing’ in pulling the game). :

     

    Peronally.. on a subjective level.. this game ISNT for me. TBH i really find it VERY unpleasant, and have ZERO desire to play it. On that part i am 1000000% agreed.

    However.. to say that it is despicable ( i presume this is a moral commentary)… i dont get how mass murder in GTA IV is ‘better’ or ‘not despicable’. In fact in a bizaare way, you could say that looking at the real crimes, that (debatably) the consequences of murder are technically MORE severe than rape.. (honestly not trying in ANY way to downplay the absolute awfulness  of rape here btw). But for some reason one is ‘despicable’ and the other isnt… The real crimes are both awful. But i thought that the whole argument FOR games like GTA being allowed.. is that this is fictional..

    At What particular point does the fact that something is ‘fictional’ apparently stop being a defence to including it in a game/film/book?

    Why  is fictional mass murder not ‘despicable’, yet fictional rape is…

    More importantly.. who is the one who makes the judgement call? Surely if that judgement is subjective, you enter dangerous grounds… and are no better than JT claiming GTA should be banned because of a personal objection to them.

    As far as having a PERSONAL view that the game is despicable.. fair enough everyone is entitled to their opinions.. I just feel its wrong if you use that to imply that it was right for this game to be pulled etc BECAUSE of nothing BUT a personal objection.  Isnt that EXACTLY what JT does? And isnt that exactly what we have chastised him for for years?

    Hence i believe that an objective view needs to be taken. I may not like this game, i may never want to play it, heck i may or may not even personally think that anyone who does want to play it is a nutjob, but i couldnt sit back and say this should be banned and GTA shouldnt.. for no other reason than bcause ‘I say so’. That would be REALLY hypocritical after fighting for the right to play Games like GTA.

    Just wondering (in a non critical way… just from a philosophical debate viewpoint)  if GP could clarify the views on this one. Its a REALLY interesting debate, with a lot of heated and conflicting views. Havent seen an issue divide the GP community so much in a long while!.

  165. Nekowolf says:

    Yeah, sounds like crap. But I for one would get it mostly out of spite. H-games were never my thing; I prefer video or manga.

  166. catboy_j says:

    Yes, Silent Hill 2. And he’s raping it, not abusing it. And for those of you who haven’t played one of the best video games of all time here’s a spoiler alert.

     

    ************************There’s also a side plot with one of the chracters involving Rape, and incest. It’s more then implied that Angela, a creepy suicidal nutjob you meet, was raped by her father and that you fight him in monster form to save her.*****************

  167. Nocturne says:

    If some guys sat at home playing this game instead of trying the real thing, more power to it I say.

    No real people other than the player are involved and I’d be hypocritical if I argued that this can influence someone to go and try it for real but the likes of Halo, Counter Strike and Doom don’t influence some lunatic to go on a shooting spree.

  168. 4nBlue says:

    I can tell who winnners in this story are. I wasn’t even aware of a webstore that is in english that sells Illusion’s games before Newsday pointed it out. Also I’m surprised that there has not been any comments about the other games that are on sale: Battleraper, Biko and a mountain of other less well known games involving rape. I checked the eroge sales ranking in Amazon.jp when Rapelay was pulled from Amazon.com. Back then it was ranked #51 which is normal for Illusion game. Now it’s risen to #12 which is a very high ranking considering that only one other game in the top 20 is older than 2008.

  169. TBoneTony says:

    that is right.

    there is no law against selling an AO rated game.

    It is just that most commercial retailers that sell Videogames would most likely refuse to sell an AO rated game, and that is what makes the Big 3 not to want a AO rated game on their console because of the risk of lossing money from lisensing a game that can’t be sold commercially.

    That is how I understand from it.

  170. TBoneTony says:

    Ok, sorry about that.

    I only just thought that the Game retailers for both consoles and PCs never wanted an AO18+ rated game to be sold on their market.

    Not living in America is hard for me to get the right info because I am from Australia, so I only went by the information from the ESRB.

    Although I do know that in Canada they can sell AO rated games that were cut-down in America.

    So yeah, we do need to get our facts right before we make strong opinions on something that we care about.

  171. Ambiguous says:

    I’ve come across it a couple times during various searches for porn, but it never particularly interested me.  Rape or rape play has never interested me in the slightest, so I usually don’t play hentai games with that kinda stuff in it, or avoid the routes that contain it (I’m not a completionist, so I don’t mind missing out.)  On a side note, ever notice how hard it can be sometimes to find something that doesn’t contain it, or allude to it in some way?

    ‘Sides, theres other stuff out there that pushes multiple boundaries at once.  Wanko to Kurasou anyone?

  172. Lou says:

    I guarantee that within 10 minutes you’ll be regreting the time you spent on downloading the game. The game’s plot is slow, boring and aside for the well made graphics of the female characters the whole thing is a pain to look. You can go through objects for gods sake!!!

  173. gamadaya says:

    That’s it. I’m downloading this game. After hearing about it non-stop for like 2 weeks now, I just can’t resist anymore. I hope you feel like you’ve accomplished your objective Councilman Quinn.

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  174. Dick Ward says:

    Okay, has anyone who would listen to this boycott even considered buying this game?  That’s like calling for a boycott of heroin.  The only people who are buying it won’t care that you want it boycotted.

  175. dan888 says:

    Actually, what you said about AO games is absolutly wrong.  The only reason they aren’t sold commercially on consoles is because of Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo’s ban on it.  PC is fair game to have AO games released commercially.  Just to prove my point, Leisure Suit Larry: Magna Cum Laude had two releases, one of which (the uncut version) was a commercially released game that had an AO rating from the ESRB.

  176. gamadaya says:

    I don’t think that’s true. AO games aren’t sold commercially, but I’m pretty sure there is no law against it.

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  177. TBoneTony says:

    Still some people don’t understand the difference between American law and Japanese law.

    And some people don’t understand that AO18+ rated games are NEVER ALLOWED TO BE SOLD commercially.

    Sadly Politicians don’t give a shit about the facts and they only go with what makes them newsworthy.

    Sadly, for many politicians, they fail to understand that many Videogamers are old enough to vote and it will be their asses that will be voted out of power because of their own selfish actions they are doing for newsworthy propaganda.

     

  178. Nekowolf says:

    "nobody (besides rape victims) are hurt by this."

    Hell, even that is stretching out pretty far. I mean, on a psychological level, maybe, but then it brings into question of how they managed to obtain the game or see scenes from it. Chances are, they had to actively look for it.

  179. Harry Miste says:

    Y’know, I always wondered why people object to this. I mean, sure, it’s completely taboo, but it’s not like they’re using real people. It’s all fiction; nobody (besides rape victims) are hurt by this.

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  180. Harry Miste says:

    Only in a perfect world. Trying to incorporate common sense and politics is like trying to put a hungry shark in a small, waterless barrel with a few fish inside. If you expect it to live an approximate two days, then you’ve already failed.

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  181. shady8x says:

    People in New York just seem crazy cause MOST of them were born in other countries… By the standards of the nations they come from they could be perfectly normal…

  182. King of Fiji says:

    The place is run by crazy moonbats but not everyone who lives in New York is crazy and clueless….though the crazy and clueless ones are slowly outnumbering those who aren’t.  T_T

  183. NicoleWagner1981 says:

    You know, the copy they are holding up is a bootleg. I know what the actual Japanese box looks like, and that is not it. So how come they did not bring up the issue of priacy as well? I mean, if you want to go after something, know what you are really going after. *shurgs* That is just my opinion.

    -NW

  184. JustChris says:

    This is stupid for one major reason- it is nothing more than a reactionary statement to media buzz. I’ll prove it- if it was based on principle for removing games with very obscene sexual content, they would’ve gone as far to research and discover that H-games are a whole genre in itself and many are available by import. And therefore call for a boycott of all sex-based games. The Speaker talks as if Rapelay is one rare oddity and is unaware that many more of its kind exist.

    GameSnooper

     

  185. jccalhoun says:

    Technically, it is available.  If you read Japanese and go to a Japanese online retailor you can order the game.  Additionally, I’m sure that there is some store somewhere that caters to Japan-o-philes that will get the game for you.

    However, it is not widely available at all and you would either need to know where to look to find it or try really hard to find it.  If you go to Best Buy or Gamestop they aren’t going to have it and aren’t even going to know what you are talking about unless you happen to talk to a Gamepolitics reader.

     

    http://www.popularculturegaming.com

  186. hellfire7885 says:

    "The "game" is now available in the U.S. market…"

     

    As Dennis noted, no, it isn’t.

     

    These people need brains.


  187. MaskedPixelante says:

    I live in Canada. For the most part, the anti gaming crowd leaves us alone…

    Unless your name is Brandon Crisp.

    —You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

  188. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    You should feel somewhat appreciative; you don’t have to deal with this particular shit like we U.S. people do…

    I mean, I’m sure your country has its deal of problems, but you don’t have to sully your hands with this particular situation.

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    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  189. MaskedPixelante says:

    Well, since I’m not a US citizen, I guess I get to resort to angry yelling

    —You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

  190. Kincyr says:

    not this one, the english version was a text-hack/fan-translation

    岩「…Where do masochists go when they die?」

  191. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    Actually, some hentai games come with the choice to switch from Japanese and English voice actors/actresses and Japanese/English subtitles.

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    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  192. TK n Happy Ness says:

    If there were any stores carrying it, they’d be adult entertainment stores. None of the major retail stores would carry AO rated games, so you won’t be finding it at Wal-Mart anytime soon. Besides, I doubt anybody would even know what’s going on since it’s in Japanese.

    When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?

  193. GoodRobotUs says:

    At least the Newspaper coverage was pretty balanced about it, and didn’t go off on a ‘Those Ebil Vidya Games’ direction, so hopefully that means that she also didn’t do that.

    Of course, the problem is that the game is apparently several years old, which wasn’t mentioned, and no attempts had been made up to this point to sell it in the US, and when an attempt was made, from the looks of it, it was by a 3rd-party reseller, not the company themselves?

  194. Pixelantes Anonymous says:

    She’s the speaker, so it’s not quite as simple as that.

    And people have tried before. She’s got a rather colorful history and while she has, somehow, managed to steer away from total condemnation, she’s been VERY close a few times.

    http://pixelantes.blogspot.com/

  195. hellfire7885 says:

    If I lived in NYC I’d want this woman off the city council immediately for wasting their time with this crap.


  196. dan888 says:

    With this controversy, I wonder if for an obscure company like J-List, which releases hentai games (with a few, though not nearly a majority, of the titles being “dark” games like this) would pick up the US license to this and translate it in an effort to try to cash in on the publicity at the risk of becoming “an enemy to society”.

  197. Father Time says:

    I always knew the politicians would start decrying the obscure porno games either out of desperation or breathtaking ignorance/stupidity.

    I wonder which this is.

    I bet the makers of rapeplay are loving the free publicity.

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  198. Paulrus says:

    I want to e-mail her so badly, but she doesn’t appear to have a public e-mail. She needs to get her facts straight before this whole thing becomes more polarized than it needs to be. Rapelay is a disgusting game and I know that i’ve been very vocal about it. But ever since I poured out my hatred into the comments box a couple weeks ago, I understand more things that I feel i’ve been blind to.

    The facts?
    -The reseller had the right to sell the game for a few bucks, but he just chose the wrong place to do it. eBay would’ve been more appropriate.

    -RapeLay was made for a Japanese audience. An audience that somewhere between the lolicon and the tentacles the West may never fully understand. The problem with this game was that it delve into depictions of rape that boggles the mind and are only fapped to by sex offenders, troubled people, and people who need a scapegoat to lengthen their political careers.

    -Games like this get imported all the time. If they’re not imported, they are downloaded. Unless it’s covered in anthrax or holds several codes that can hack into the Pentagon, the people have the right to play them. We can look at them in disgust, but who are we to tell them what’s right to play and what isn’t? Unless they brag about it, then you may want to counsil them with talking or a nutshot. Your pick.

    I want this controversy to die. Controversy, like shock rock, sells. Grand Theft Auto has become popular partially because of this and I don’t foresee the complainers grasping this concept anytime soon. This game doesn’t belong in the spotlight. It’s repulsive, it’s a cheap Fox News fodder, and the fact that few suits and politicians recognize that it’s an import-only deal doesn’t seem to cross thier path. This is one of those games that we need to ignore. You ignore a game, it becomes obscure, and the most it could become is one of those games you find listed on Wikipedia or brought up on a show about bad games.

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  199. Ashkihyena says:

    ""The "game" is now available in the U.S. market…""

    >.>;;;  Cause you know, the internet is totally the US, and that game is totally sold in stores…oh, wait.

  200. EvilTikiMan says:

    But if you are a NY resident then you have the right, and to an extent the dutie, to send her a more official letter that expresses your displeasure that she would speak about something she knows nothing about and devote time and taxpayers money on something that is of no importance.

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    Responsibility: Its time that the next generation takes up the reigns of power in our government, before the old fools who hold them steer this country of ours closer to capsizing. We must act before its to late to repair the damage.

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  201. MaskedPixelante says:

    It’s a good thing I don’t have her email, I’m too tempted to spam her inbox with "It’s an import game, you moron! It will NEVER be sold in the US market! The only way to get it is to go to an import site and import it from Japan!"

    —You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

  202. hellfire7885 says:

    Well, it has cartoon imagery, not real peopel, so there’s no way it can be for adults only, right?


  203. eston says:

    I like how they refer to it as a "teenage video game," you know, since this game was obviously made specifically for teenagers…

  204. Nekowolf says:

    And here, I present to all…an idiot. Notice the lack of intelligent argument. As you can see from Chart A. it has an average IQ of below-average standards. It should also be noted, that it excretes varying amounts of fecal matter orally.

  205. Verbinator says:

    Since neither Game Politics nor the MSM are particularly forthcoming on this issue, please take note that Ms. Quinn is a member of the Democratic party.

    I thought it would take until the next congressional election for lefties to wrap themselves in right-of-center type morality issues, but I was wrong.

    –Verbinator

  206. Werrick says:

    Watching politicians fall all over themselves to "ME TOO!" their criticism of this game when it hasn’t even been available to anyone online over Amazon in over a week is fun. It’s like watching a monkey try to hump a football.

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