Another Obama Cabinet Nominee Brings Video Game Legislation Baggage

March 1, 2009 -

ABC News reports that President Barack Obama has turned to Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (D) to fill the vacant cabinet post at the Department of Health and Human Services.

If confirmed, Sebelius will become the third member of the Obama cabinet with past ties to video game legislation. The others are Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Secretary of Commerce nominee Gary Locke.

As Governor in 2006, Sebelius pushed an unsuccessful attempt to legislate video games, saying at the time, "Video games and music lyrics promote violence..."

Ironically, in 2008 it was revealed that her son created a Grand Theft Auto-like board game and was marketing it by mail order from the Governor's official residence. At the time, Gov. Sebelius commented that she was proud of her son's creativity.


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Obsenity laws???  More like religious laws. Thats all they are.

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Even though she may claim to be religious, she isn't.

She only doing this through her own personal bliefs.

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Please note, her own personal beliefs seem to allow her to exploit her office to sell her son's rip-off board game based on a violent video game.  I think we need less of those appointees right now.

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Agreed

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When you couple her record with the fact that President Obama, during the campaign, said he would support federal money to study the effects videogames have on children, videogames may be on the docket (probably nothing extreme but certainly something that will be looked at). 

Re: Another Obama Cabinet Nominee Brings Video Game Legislation

Who cares. I doubt anybody in the Obama cabinet will have any time to care about video games.

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That's the same thinking a lot of people had about Obama and the 2nd amendment; I wouldn't put much stock in that idea.

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True, plus she was probably just doing it to score political points in the period where attacking video games for their violent content was cool. Now with the Recession/coming Depression on us, video games are the least of their worries. Of course it shouldn't have even been a worry to being with as their is no problem or harm coming to anybody whether children or adults by violent games. As for suitability or appropriateness, well that is the sole decision and responsibility of the individual parents.

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

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You want to know Why I hate Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, She supports abortions(I'm Not concerned about the video game issue and her, I'm really concerned about her When it comes down to abortions(cause she supports Such right)) putting her in a position(HHS) would be Obama shooting himself in the foot

This is pretty much my opinion on the kansas Gov

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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So you support indentured servitude?

 

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No, I do not support indentured servitude

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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Austin_Lewis I was going to complement and congratulate you for catching me on that, but then you just made a snide comment and sounded like a jerk, nullifying any respect you gained by reminding me that I had put the wrong form of "alumni".

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Re: Another Obama Cabinet Nominee Brings Video Game ...

Hey, anytime.  I'll revise my opinion when you figure out how to use the reply button. 

Re: Another Obama Cabinet Nominee Brings Video Game ...

There, now revise your opinion.

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Re: Another Obama Cabinet Nominee Brings Video Game ...

Well, it seems someone's a real bastard, and it's not Austin (and it's not me for those who would think of that). This time, he (and I) didn't make it on the Bastard List.

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Re: Another Obama Cabinet Nominee Brings Video Game ...

Sure.  Now you're just a guy supporting a politician who seems to not understand the right to free speech.  Don't worry though, she'll fit in with Obama and Holder perfectly.

Re: Another Obama Cabinet Nominee Brings Video Game ...

And you're just a hateful little gun-nut who think he's better than everyone on the site.

Stay classy, austin.

Re: Another Obama Cabinet Nominee Brings Video Game ...

Another superb contribution.

Re: Another Obama Cabinet Nominee Brings Video Game ...

Just telling the truth; you don't like it, then don't be so hateful.

Re: Another Obama Cabinet Nominee Brings Video Game ...

Because I'm the dick who came here and, instead of adding to the conversation, insulted someone else.  Wait, no, that's you.

Re: Another Obama Cabinet Nominee Brings Video Game ...

Like I said, all I've done is tell the truth - you are a hatful, bitter little man, and now that you've been called out on it you're whining. You brought it on yourself the second you acted like a dick to DanHoyt; everyone else who replied to him was civil and polite, were you? No, you were an asshole to him, so now you're being treated like one.

To reiterate what I already told you, if you don't like being being called a hateful asshole, don't be a hateful asshole, otherwise it will be reciprocated every time. Period.

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I'd love to package the majority of your remarks in a nice brown box, maybe put some wrapping paper on it, and hand it right back to you.  Hypocrite.

Re: Another Obama Cabinet Nominee Brings Video Game ...

You mean those remarks that each and every time followed one of your spiteful, bitter, and hateful comments? The remarks that have always come as a reply to something inflammatory you posted? Those remarks? Don't forget, you've provoked every single insult you've had thrown at you through your incendiary jabs at eveyone you disagree with. You have no problem being a jackass to other people, so I'm going to treat you like the jackass you want to be, because what goes around comes around.

So either quit acting like an asshole to people who aren't lock-step to you, or quit whining when I give you the exact same treatment.

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The bill was about video games AND music, it would have put them in the same creative property boat. And most companies already enforce rules about movies and as was already said, pornography. Music and games are the two forms of entertainment that are rarely considered at a checkout counter.

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Re: Another Obama Cabinet Nominee Brings Video Game ...

From EZK's link, since you won't go there:

 

"The survey found that 20% of underage teenage shoppers were able to buy M-rated video games, a major improvement from all prior surveys, and down from 42% in 2006. While CD and DVD retailers demonstrated some improvement since the 2006 survey, roughly half of the undercover shoppers still were able to purchase R-rated and Unrated movie DVDs and PAL music CDs."

 

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Companies enforce? What's your point there exactly? It doesn't matter what companies enforce if I recall correctly, the idea is that the government doesn't get to enforce the rules. The one exception is obscenity.

By the way, doesn't matter if a bill applies to games AND music, that's still just 2 types of media. Books, movies, comics...

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Frankly I might be fine if they did something for all media but comics cause well... comics code, they kinda already got suckerpunched once.  Seriously though the comics code is one of my main reasons for being against government regulation of media.

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Perhaps you would like to take a look at this link and then reevaluate that last sentence of yours.

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2008/05/secretshop.shtm

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Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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If she does her new job right (assuming she'll take it), she won 't have time for games.

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

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Yeah, that's the same assumption that was made about Barack Obama and the 2nd amendment, but that's already proved to be wrong.

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Frankly living outside of the States I don't know what Barack Obama is doing against the second amendment and I would be interested in finding out so I know if I should start a posting war, since 2nd amendment arguments no matter how innocuous at their inception always seem to escalate to the point of ridiculousness on the Internet.

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I'm not up to snuff on what qualifies as an assault weapon, but if it means like assault "Rifles", yeah i don't think most really need those.

Only gun i "own" (my dad bought it for me but it's in his name) is a 20 gauge shotgun i've used maybe 4 times...so my opinion doesn't have much behind it.

Guns, ironically enough considering how much i enjoy weapon upgrading in stuff like RE4, really hold no interest to me.

Now my friend...she might not like this, but except for a riot gun (not sure if it is one, i just mentioned how it's the middle shotgun in RE4 and she said she had one) and a few other shotguns (she's trap shooter, actually pretty good) i don't think that effects her either.

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Just because YOU don't need an assault rifle (or, more accurately, a semi automatic box magazine-fed rifle) doesn't mean that nobody does.  They're VERY popular on farms for varminting (killing animals that injure livestock, including gophers), as well as for sport shooting. 

The real issue here is that this is a measure that, when applied in 1994, actually led to an INCREASE in violent crime.  The same thing occurred internationally when 'assault weapons' were banned, along with pistols.  Violent Crime rates go up, but the government doesn't let citizens have their rights back.  There's no real purpose to this bill except to restrict the rights of law-abiding American citizens because some people in Washington don't think that they should have firearms in the house.  Oddly enough, these are the same people protected by bodyguards with Uzis and M4's.  Odd how THEY are worthy of the protection afforded by those weapons, but WE aren't.

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wait, hasn't violent drime been going down since the mid 1990's... i mean i'm pretty sure that one of our favorite things to point out to video game critics that say games lead to crime is pointing out the correlation between the release of one of the earliest FPS games, and the steady decrease in violent crime there after... though i could be wrong and that was just the stats for violent crime amongst YOUTHS, and not violent crime as a whole.... though ofcourse, correlation does not mean causality; but we do like to point it out since critics often use correlation to support their arguements

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Violent crimes in young people?  Absolutely.  As a society, it went up a bit from 94 to 04, then began going down again. 

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correlation doesn't imply causality. First thing they teach you in college and if I remember correctly, the reason you don't believe in global warming.

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But repeated correlation with none of the other factors that normally lead to a higher crime rate? (poverty, economic trouble, political turmoil, etc)

Doesn't sound so good.

And Global warming doesn't even have accurate numbers for the data they present, so I don't really believe that we can be comparing the two.

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Now you are mistaken, There is a rise in violent crime (not crime overall) since the nineties. This doesn't just correlate with the assualt weapons ban. It does correlate with the fall of communism. This doesn't mean jack shit. Also, social upheaval does correlate with a higher crime rate, but not necessarily with the other factors. Also you're forgetting immigrants and other groups. A good economy doesn't mean everyone is rich or even middle class. And then there are factors which can't be explained by such things as global economic wealth or politics, like the rise of South and Middle American gangs (and drugs cartels!).

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I take issue with the idea that the ban lead to an increase, it may have occurred at the same time but I would need to see some convincing evidence showing that the ban was the reason.  That said since it is a full ban, as I mentioned before, it is can easily be interpreted as contradicting the second amendment depending on how people interpret arms, and if it is considered to cover every subset of “arms”.

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How is a ban on a specific type of weapons going against the second amendment exactly? Does the second amendment defense apply to rocket launchers, or anti-tank artillery?

On a slightly less serious tone, why do you guys complain about a gun-ban if you're not going to use those assault rifles to actually start up a militia in self-defense, and instead let all the white-supremacists and drug criminals buy them and use them in a war with the government and its representatives?

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Well Michael, Anti-tank artillery and RPGs and Rocket Launchers are not firearms.  They ARE ordnance.  

To answer your question about banning, the reason is thus; why SHOULD they be able to ban a certain type of firearm?  Just because the way it looks makes them feel 'uncomfortable'?  Because they're supposedly being used in Mexico by drug cartels (I didn't realize that I shouldn't be able to own an AR because Mexico never took the time to deal with its drug cartel problem)?  Because a very, very small fraction of them are used in crimes?  Are those the best excuses they can come up with for limiting Americans' rights?

And the ban doesn't only ban 'Assault Weapons', it also bans pistols with mag capacities equal to or greater than ten.

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Well Michael, Anti-tank artillery and RPGs and Rocket Launchers are not firearms.  They ARE ordnance.  

Irrelevant. TheSecond Amendment doesn't specify "firearms" it just says arms. Given that part of the reason for it was to protect milita stores, which IIRC included some cannons, I'd say ordance would be covered by the Second Amendment.

-Gray17

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The capacity bit is because the last assualt weapon ban had way to strict criteria which made it possible to circumvent it. making an assault weapon with a mag with under ten rounds is nigh impossible. Where the fuck to you think those mexican drug cartels have their markets? Where are they going to expand to once the Mexican government loses the war? (Mexico is taking the time to fight the cartels, but they're losing) The Mexican gangs are allready gaining a foothold in the southern states. This is for the safety of Americans just as much as the safety of Mexicans. Think before you post!

PS: a gatling gun isn't ordnance, should they be privately owned?

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Right.  So DISARMING American citizens is for our own safety.  You know, I think Stalin and Hitler and Mao said that too, actually. 

So much of what you say here is poor information that it really shows you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.  So let me begin punching the holes.

1: So there are no assault weapons with under ten rounds?  Too bad the SKS rifle is included in this, which has, yes, a 10 rd mag.  Oh man. 

2: I'm sure Mexico's drug cartels will try to come to America with their bullshit, but because we aren't a police force as open to bribes, they'll end up getting fucked over.  Mexico turned a blind eye to this problem for years, or made some half-assed attempts, and now they've got some problems.  But is DISARMING the people who need weapons to defend themselves the intelligent way to solve this?  I think not.

3: The weapons used in Mexico are AUTOMATC WEAPONS left there with the Contras, not new-age weapons.  The only reason the Mexican government is struggling is because their equipment is even more outdated.  There's nothing 'sophisticated' about an 'assault rifle' at all.  So the weapons they want restricted aren't even covered. In other words, Holder is just looking for an excuse, not to actually solve anything.  Also, I didn't realize it was America's duty to solve Mexico's problems by limiting our rights.

It's apparent you have very little grasp on the situation; come back when you have a deeper understanding that doesn't stink of Sarah Brady's bullshit.

PS: A 'gatling gun' requires a few things.  1) A mount.  They cannot really be hand held. 2) A power source, otherwise they won't be able to fire.  3) An UNGODLY amount of ammunition.  So, yes, they should be privately owned, but they're still class 3 making them harder than hell to get a hold of.  I've seen ONE for sale in the last 8 years, and it had no power supply (most 'gatling guns' are powered by batteries in helicopters).  Of course, if you're talking about the old crank guns, those are already legal to own by anyone because they're antiques.  But I don't think any of those are really in shape to be fired ever again.

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1. Godwin:  Completely retarded arguments since the birth of the internet.

2. Do you think the cartels need to bribe American policemen once they have a whole country themselves? Besides, the cartels are already there. Who do you think they sell the drugs to? America is a huge market.

3. I said under 10 rounds. An SKS has, in fact, 10 rounds. Which is not 9 rounds or less. Which is not under 10 rounds.

4. Disarming the people who solve this? No, taking away ASSAULT rifles, not home defense weapons. And no way Joe the plumber is going to stop the Mexican gangs.

5. Who The Fuck is Sara Brady?

6. The reason the Mexican government is struggling is not the fact that there weapons are outdated. If a war could be one by better weapons alone then you really don’t know anything about recent history. Really, the fact their equipment is outdated means they can’t fight a mafia with a private army that can disappear into the general populace. An army that is composed of commandos and former military. An Army that has been equipped with the millions in drugs money. An army that can kill everyone they won’t for the simple reason their enemies wear uniforms and they do not.

7. Do you really think Mexican cartels only use contra weapons and don’t ever upgrade? They have more money than the Mexican government (or at least, fewer things to spend it on).

PS: So because there aren’t a lot of them they should be legal? And because they’re expensive and hard to use?  Same reasoning could be used for private ownership of nuclear weapons.

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1. Actually, its not retarded when you're showing how limits on gun ownership leads to dictatorships and loss of other rights.

2. I think American Policemen are more than happy to stop drug cartels that come in to America.  Sadly, they always arrive just after the cartels have executed someone.  

3.Touche.

4.  'ASSAULT' rifle is an idiotic term used by the media.  An 'assault rifle' is a semi-automatic, gas (or piston) operated, magazine fed weapon.  These are used for many things other than home defense.  They're used for hunting and sport as well, for two easy examples.  Oh but wait, this ban also affects PISTOL ownership, one of the best and most popular home defense weapons. Just because YOU don't use an 'assault' rifle for home defense doesn't mean nobody does.

5. A moron, short answer.

6. Actually, Mexico has long been seeking for a solution to its outdated 1st gen M16s.  Would it make a giant difference?  Probably not, but it would give them an edge in firefights.  I don't know where you got the idea that the drug cartels have armies of commandos (tv maybe?), but that's absolutely wrong.  The average gunman for a cartel has less firearms knowledge than a Mexican police officer.  Many of them are barely literate.  Look at the people who have been caught in America working with drug cartels to assassinate; they're not commandos, they're just Mexican youngsters willing to kill for money.

7. Actually, smuggling drugs is very costly, and transporting a large enough quantity to meet a steady demand is their top priority.  Also, 'upgrading' is harder than hell for them, seeing as gunmakers who make military firearms don't often sell to non-government groups.  Even if they 'upgrade' the upgrade won't be from America, which goes back to my point of the AWB being pointless and meaning only to limit American rights

PS: Nuclear weapons are a ORDNANCE.  And I said it's alright for people to own a gatling gun because they can't use it.  Do you know what the few privately owned gatling guns in America are used for?  Movies.  Do you know how much it costs to operate it for a few days?  MILLIONS. The average person, even if they could afford the $100,000 gatling gun itself, does not have the know-how to hook it up to a battery, nor even to figure out what kind of battery it would need to operate.  Honestly, the only sure way to get a gatling gun to work is to mount it back into the same kind of helicopter it came from.  Otherwise, you'll have problems firing it, feeding it, etc.

I like how none of your points nor their answers lend credit to an Assault Weapons Ban.

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1. Let's go back to every frikkin' democratic country with strict gun laws that isn't a dictatorship. I believe the whole of Western Europe qualifies (except Italy and Switzerland).

2. And they execute random people of the street?

3. Thank you.

4. Not all pistols. There are enough left to properly defend yourself.

5. Not really helping.

6. Commandos was wrong. They do have a high number of former military and military trained contras, even second or third generation revolutionairies.

7. Yes, but it is still a way to generate a LOT of money in a relatively short time. That's why they're doing it. Do you still think the Mexican government has no other problems?

PS: how do you feel about fully automatic firearms then? Just curious.

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1. I'd prefer to look at their crime rate instead.  Much more interesting to see the increase as firearms were banned.

2. Believe it or not, yes, though I'd hesitate to use the word execute.

3.  It was a good point.

4.  Let's look at what's left; revolvers (hard to aim for most, hard to reload) and low capacity pistols like my favorite, the 1911.  Why should law abiding citizens not be able to have 15 rounds in the mag? 

5. I can't remember what 5 started out as...

6. The mexican military isn't exactly a hi-speed group of people, nor are contras.  These aren't some amazing soldiers, they're basically thugs.  Same for the revolutionaries.

7. No, I'm sure Mexico has other problems.  Personally, I'd make sure getting rid of Drug Cartels was on the top of my list.

PS: They're fine the way they are.  The purchase of a Full-auto weapon is very pricey.  It requires a 200 dollar tax stamp, plus purchase of the weapon (at least 1500 and that's for shitty rip-offs of the original Mac-10).  If the weapon is suppressed (silenced) or SBR (barrel length under 16 inches with a stock), it is double taxed.  And if the weapon were, say, an M4A2 with a suppressor, a 11 inch barrel, and a grenade launcher, that's 3 tax stamps for one gun.  Once you have the firearm, you basically can't take it out of the state without re-registering.  Truth is, automatic weapons are used in VERY few crimes, and legally owned ones are almost never used in crime, just like 'assault weapons'.

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1: I do believe property crime is not as bad as murder. A decline in murder rates is worth a lot.

4: If this ban really concerns only semi auto, I suppose it doesn't really make a difference. I'm still against fire-arms, but this ban doesn't really changes all that much.

6: The contras were trained by the US. I still see them as a mayor threat, especially since a huge part of the Mexican Army isn't able to stop them. And while the local government might be highly corruptible, I doubt the armed forces would be swayed by drugsmoney.

7: Of course the drugs cartels are on the top of the list, but the fact that there are other problems mean the solution won't be as easy as it would be in a strong state.

PS: You can buy a grenade launcher? really? Isn't that some kind of ordnance?

 
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