New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent Games to Kids

March 7, 2009 -

New Zealand's chief government censor has called for the prosecution of parents who give their children access to violent video games, according to stuff.co.nz.

Bill Hastings (left) hopes that such cases - apparently enabled by Kiwi law - will provide "shock value" to deter other parents from making similar choices in regard to their children's media consumption:

They might think the offence is silly, but it ain't... That's what the law says, but... you're not going to have police officers in every bedroom... There would certainly be some shock value to prosecuting a parent who gives their under-18 child access to a restricted game. It would send out a message that the enforcement agency means business.

I think the word 'game' can mislead people for sure. It's not checkers. For the first time in history, kids are more savvy with technology than parents... parents need to get up to speed on the digital divide. They need to look at what their kids are playing and doing...

 

It should be the pleasure in being able to sleep at night knowing that you have done the right thing by your kids. That should be the motivating factor.

Under the law, parents could be fined up to NZ$10,000 or imprisoned for three months.

GP: But if the parents are in jail, who will monitor the kids then?


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Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

Even though I don't live in New Zealand. I'm going to expose my kids to whatever "I" think is appropriate for them. If I want to show my kid a violent game, thats MY CHOICE.

Anyone telling me otherwise can get the fuck out of my house.

How about you parent your kids and I'll parent mine. mmmmkay?

Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

*facepalm*

Mr. Hastings, have you considered the possibility that some kids are actually capable of handling the content that is presented in these games?

Hell, I discovered pr0|\| in Fourth Grade, and fapping around Seventh Grade. I can handle the presence of nudity in any form of entertainment, and I played Wolfenstein 3D when I was 5, and Doom when I was 6. To this day, I have never had the thought of killing anyone, unless I had good reason.*

*I have wanted to kill my brother for a couple years now, because he falls just short of abusing his daughter. He yells at her, often hits her (never hard), and expects more from her than what she is capable of (expecting her to answer a math problem in a split second). He also easily gets angry when either our mom, dad, or grandmother (mom's mother, who lives with us) tries to help get the situation under control. Funny thing is, video games had nothing to do with it at all.

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Okay, so...

1: Kids won't be harmed if they wait a bit to play violent games, but that's not a good reason to pass a law that keeps parents from making these decisions themselves. It wouldn't hurt me to not eat sausage and eggs for breakfast, but that doesn't mean that I should lose that choice because people who don't even know me think it's innapropriate for them and their families.

2:There is still no evidence to suggest a genuine, real link between violent game play and real life translations of in game violence or nuttyness. Yes, parents should consider their children's individual psychological traits when thinking of what they expose them to, but every child is different, and a forced standard that takes away the responsibility for making that choice is not a step towards parents tailoring their approach to properly suit their children.

3:Cycles around the sun do not give a person much maturity (most everyone knows someone that is thoroughly aged, but still as mature as a pissed off little kid). Experiences are what give a person most of their maturity. Obviously as children age, their brains develope to support and process such experiences, but a law like this should certainly not be based on age alone.

4:Slippery slope is still a fallacy, but something like this does set a precedent and increase the likelyhood of other such intrusions.

5:Nobody can know a child better than their parents, and very few are more fit to make decisions in their best interest. Yes, there are those who are neglectful and uncaring, but of the hundreds and thousands and millions of parents out there, are they  large enough in number to justify a generalization?

6:This idea that all violent games are pointless gore fests is garbage. Take games like Metal Gear Solid and Bioshock, games that have very interesting ideas and lessons to teach...

7:Yes, games, movies, books, and music can have bad influences, but in most stories ridden with violence, there is a prevailing good, and the circumstances of such acts make it appropriate for those events. Part of life is learning to properly sort through negative influences, and understanding that some actions are only appropriate under certain conditions. Some see games as a good venue to teach this.

 

The most important lesson I take from this is to avoid looking like a fucking drunk when there are cameras around, because those pictures make you look like an ass.

 

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

Hey, Mr. Hastings, I've got a better idea for you than these lame half-measures.

Have all children taken from their parents at birth, and raised in state institutes until they're 18.

I mean, obviously you think the state should be raising children, not their parents, so why not take it to it's logical conclusion of never letting the parents have any input other than genetic?

-Gray17

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Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

Or by foster parents selected by the government, right? Oh wait...

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Meh, as a Kiwi, this is just pissing into the wind. My parents and most friends parents always knew the content of the games we were buying.

Hell, my brother has been playing GTA games since he was 12-13, my parents knew all along what he was playing, they also knew that he wasn't a retard, and therefore, unlikely to mimic any behaviour (for example: using a trainer program to make a tower of tanks 30 high and then blow them up ).

That being said, they were suprised when, due to Bill's little hissy fit, they discovered that they can be fined for letting my brother play R18 games. Not that it's their problem any more since all the games he plays are mine now.

-ConstantNeophyte: always the newb, ALWAYS.

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Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

Gentlemen, welcome to the future. Surprise, it's a police state.

Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

I call for the prosecution of censors who wear neon watches and sport hairstyles that use gel to make it look like they've had a run-in with an enraged squirrel.

I hope that such cases will provide "shock value" to deter other censors from making similar choices in regard to their appearance.

Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

I agree. Something has to be done about these people with their neon watches and ridiculous hair; it's corrupting the youth.

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Anybody notice that the censor looks like Gordon Ramsey?

Or is it my imagination...

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na, he looks more like Charlie Sheen (maybe older) to me.  It's my opinion but I can be wrong.

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http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/11/16-22/gordon-ramsay-c...

http://www.walkonmypath.com/other-images/charlie-sheen.jpg

Hmm... I'm siding with an amalgamation of the two.

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Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

This guy's lime green watch is freakin' SWEET!

Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

I see this as a slippery slope. If NZ can tell parents not to buy violent games. What is it to stop them from making other laws to tell parents how they should raise their children?

Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

Like drinking, or driving, isn't it better for a child to have experience with the material while living with parents who can guide them through stupid thinking and mistakes borne of inexperience? (Driving into another car is bad, not fun; shooting another person is bad, not fun, getting fall-down drunk the night before is stupid, not fun)

... As opposed to 18 and attending college?

Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

We only see stupid things like this b/c video games are todays new technology(I realize they've been around for a while). In two decades all these asinine attempts at legislation by people who have never even played the games they demonize will dissappear.

Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

disappear from popular media*

It'll be much like TV and movies. Lots of violent, sexual media-but nothing worth watching.

There are tons of groups out there against the excessive violence and sexuality in modern movies. The movie industry is just powerful enough to keep it quiet.

Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

Until JT tried to demonize it in Utah

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

And people say Australia is the nanny state! At least these kinds of laws don't exist in Australia! If a parent wants to exibit an R18+ movie/MA15+ game to a kid in the privacy of their own home, then that is their business. Nothing illegal about it.

 

BTW, there are government operated/funded censor offices is the vast majority of Western nations. Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, Britian etc all back up their rating systems with laws. It's not unusual.

Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

"And people say Australia is the nanny state! At least these kinds of laws don't exist in Australia!"

 

But then, Australia doesn't even *have* an R18 rating for games...

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I think the suggested punishment is way too harsh, but I wouldn't be entirely opposed giving parents at least a slap on the wrist for exposing their children to clearly-labelled adult material.  Little Johnny is perfectly capable of waiting a few years to play the latest shoot-em-up, even if he is able to handle it before he turns 18.  Given that the vast majority of games -- many of them excellent and mature in theme if not in content -- are suitable for all ages, it's not like any child will be left with nothing to play.

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If similar ratings are 17+ in some countries and 18+ in others, why shouldn't a parent have the right to let their 17-year old, or 16-year old for that matter, play those games if the education has been proper? Or are we simply forbidding the most popular games of entire genres?

Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

What world are you off in? This is the same world that spawned jack thompson, that french mother that let her kid take the fall for hurting her daughter...you read gamepolitics, you have enough game examples.

This is the same world that some parents let their children smoke, drink, screw, shoot, et cetera. The ideal thing would be if parents were smart enough to not let their kids do these things. The next best ideal would be if our police force had the time to spare on these issues.

Anyway, we're a step ahead of ourselves here. The ratings system isn't objective and quantitative enough to start writing laws off of. Even if one got passed, eventually in court someone would ask if this material did constitute a threat to our children, and it'd be found that not all games rated for violence/'harmful' material did.

Regardless, there is a way to judge the (random number out of my ass) 10,000+ game titles a year as containing or not containing highly violent, potentially dangerous material. There is no way to make sure parents are educating their kids correctly, and starting a taxpayer funded government campaign about it would just waste money and get us nowhere.

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Well, the thing is, those kids aren't really going to suffer if they have to wait a few years to play any particular game, and while I certainly don't think violent games will make anyone violent, a parent's positive attitude toward such violence -- or worse, complete lack of interest -- might.  I think it's best to err on the side of caution and encourage parents to think about what kind of a message they're sending if they bring home the latest and greatest in gory first person shooters and let their 15-year-old kid play it, especially if part of their reasoning is the popularity of the game.

If you're looking for good, (relatively) non-violent games to give a child or young teen, I would suggest strategy games like Civilization, Tropico, Sim City, or The Sims.  If you're exclusively looking for console games, pretty much anything by Nintendo is excellent, and there are plenty of T-rated games with bloodless violence, many of which have been very popular over the past few years.  The Battlefield series immediately comes to mind.

Too many people seem to have this idea that if little Johnny can't play GTA right now, he'll be stuck playing Barbie Horse Adventure and will be an outcast for the rest of his life.  This is simply not true.  A parent's job is to find high-quality, age-appropriate entertainment, and it's very easy to do this within the rating system... even if Johnny is a bit mature for his age.

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"Well, the thing is, those kids aren't really going to suffer if they have to wait a few years to play any particular game"

You're not going to suffer if you get banned from this web site, so hey, Dennis should ban you!

No, that's not a serious statement that you should be banned from this web site. I said that to illustrate a point. "Well, they're not going to suffer if this happens" is not, by itself, a valid argument in favor of ANYTHING, and since you completely failed to answer the concerns posted by the person you're replying to I can only guess that you don't have any other arguments.

Nobody's saying that just because a child is capable of handling GTA, they should have a copy in their X-box right now. It's the principle of the thing. I didn't play many violent games at all growing up, but my mother bought me a copy of a Star Wars third-person shooter game when I was 6. The game was rated T. Under this guy's logic (no, I know it's not necessarily applicable to ALL age ratings, but it's the same kind of logic), my mother should be prosecuted and see jail time or be fined $10,000 for letting me play a Star Wars game.

How does that NOT sound totally ridiculous?
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I don't think this is right. Sure, they aren't going to suffer if they wait a few years, just like they wouldn't suffer if they didn't even play any games, but just because it wouldn't hurt anyone (and I think it would), doesn't mean that it should be a law. I grew up watching rated R movies and playing M rated games all the time, and I think I'm a more creative and mature person because of it. If you specifically deprive a kid of something, they are only going to want it more, and probably over-indulge in it when they finally are allowed to have it. Besides, what good would this law do other than deprive a lot of people of a lot of fun just because some people think it's "inappropriate"?

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Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

"just like they wouldn't suffer if they didn't even play any games"

But from playing games there can be positive consequences, as you mention with yourself as example. Tactical thinking, out of the box, morale decisions and their consequences, planning ahead, training reaction time, etc.

This law, which apparently already exists, isn't just going to be tossed at 12-years playing GTA. Believe me, I disagree with that, I got a nephew that shows potential negative aspects of today's gangsta bling-bling culture, and the GTA games when his age barely was two digits didn't really help. We tried to help a bit there.
This law can also be used against teenagers, that are just a few months away from the required age and as such would already be allowed to play it in the USA. Likely? No, less chance the judge goes ahead and gives an actual punishment, so not as good for a shock case. But it's possible, and it's part of the behaviour a shock case for a 14-year old would cause, people holding off for a few more months, when the game isn't that popular anymore and most online players are experienced jackasses who like messing up newbies.

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Most of the games with positive results, especially real time strategy games and many tactical games are rated "T". The Command and conquer series, the entire total war series, the age of empires series, rise of nations, how many more do I need?

First person shooters? There are some T rated ones, and most of the M rated ones I play have no tactical side to them. Crysis maybe.

Now I'm not saying that this law is right-it's ridiculous and 'making an example' of someone is reminiscent of a government that rules by fear-but...wow, I keep trying to think of a game that's "M" rated and would have some sort of benefit for a kid to play, and I'm drawing a blank. Portal? No, that's T...maybe counter-strike (teamwork), but CS is nowhere near fallout 3, left 4 dead, or other M rated games I can think of as far as violent content goes. More reasoning for a new rating wedged between "T" and "M".

Edit: got off topic there..this law is BS, the sentiment behind it is 60% legitimate and 40% BS. The BS comes in fining the parents, the legitimate part is preventing minors from playing them..but ONLY if it's for M rated games. Also, someone PLEASE come up with a well known game that's "M" rated and has some sort of measurable cognitive benefit.

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Are those the Australian ratings? =P Keep in mind this law would be tied to NZ ratings, which would be either the Australia ratings or, if this guy gets what he wants, worse, because any T-game with a good amount of violence might become 18+. I perfectly see him possible to push for having a rating board of old idiots that cry havoc at every game with gore and push them to 18+.

Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

So what message are they sending if they purchase a popular but violent game for their kids to play? 

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

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Aside from not giving off the forbidden fruit signal, if done in due consideration it symbols an amount of trust in the teenager, and the respect for their desire for quick games, rather than games that can take hours and hours for a mission or quest. Not that I'd want a kid who only plays Shooters, I'd make sure to encourage some offline RPGs as well.

Why letting someone play or watch a violent movie means telling them violence is okay, is beyond me. Just have to have the talk once or twice, give off a signal. Unfortunately mature parents that actually do spend time on parenting, only to after that make the decision, are punished if this law is used.

I'd say the whole "if they bully you or beat you up, just fight back" thing in my youth was much more a part of my violent tendencies which took years to tone down, than the games I didn't start with until that actually already was going down. GTA 1 was fun! Stress-relievers and being able to ignore the existing world and its issues is quite nice.

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yep true.

I also would like to add that this thread makes M-rated games all look like irrational gorefests.

In fact a parent might want their kid to play certain games like Bioshock or the Metal Gear Solid series and have them think about the ideas present in the games.

I certainly know that Bioshock made me think about Ayn Rand and her philosophy.

Even GTA IV has plenty has witty commentary on society.

Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

Er... that violence is ok and that "But mooooom! All the other kids are playing it!" is a valid argument?

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How does the play or viewing of violent entertainment suggest condonement of real violence? It's also worth noting that the circumstances of the violence in many popular games and movies is self defence, or heroism, or protecting humanity, or whatever, and most kids can tell Lex is the bad guy and Superman is the good guy, despite their frequent use of violence.

(I will concede that "But MOOOM, all the other kids..." is a weak arguement)

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

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Or you could, ya know, require people enter their age in the games with no warning or anything, let people make profiles for a couple of years, then bam-fine everyone that's <18 and registered. Something like 150 dollars a game.

What a ridiculous, unenforceable idea. Now if it were fining the parents of a kid that bought a violent video game at a store, then it'd be better. That all depends though on if in NZ it's illegal to give kids violent media.

Regardless this law will have no effect other than to waste NZ taxpayer money and worry parents unneccasarily. How's about doing something like requiring games to have parental controls and gore/violence lockouts when the game can have them?

I hate to point to these games so often, but unreal tournament can have all cursing and blood turned off, and crysis can have the blood turned off. Many other games (fallout 3) can have most of the gristly stuff disabled without drastically changing gameplay other than when it's violence for violence's sake (Gore bags could be made plastic/not see through, the exploding rats could be omitted...or spontaneously combust).

Edit : I'm meaning change it to opt-in gore with the option of a parental password, to clarify.

Again, this won't do anything to prevent a tech savvy kid from getting at the violent content, but if it makes them feel better, then go for it. At least they'll be enabling another degree of customizeability to the games, so it wouldn't be a total waste.

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Did he happen to follow up this purely bad idea with the phrase "New Zealand Uber Alles"?

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Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

This is incredibly stupid. Parents should be the judge of what their children consume, not the government. 

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@ Ex Libris

 

SOME comments are misinformed? Try his entire statement! This man is completely deranged. He wants to prosecute parents for making descions on what is suitable for their kids! New Zealand needs to take a hard look at their rating system and reform it. This is scary because OTHER countries are likely to follow suit and no nobody is saying that legally enforced rating systems are road to fascism. Pretty much every country that has one merely bars minors from purchasing the games/movies without a parent present. They DO NOT however bar parents from buying one of these games for thier kids. This man wants to push his own moral beliefs on every single person in the country. I dare you to tell me that isn't a form of fascism. I advise the people of NZ to speak out against this and demand reforms in their rating system.

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Parents if they understand the rating system should be allowed to give their kids any games they want... yes even M rated games to people under 18, if the parent is aware and believe their child is mature enough to handle the content, that is their privilige, not the governments.

Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

"It would send out a message that the enforcement agency means business."

And that they're corrupt, power-hungry and generally not thinking in their best interest. Great message.

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Boy, if I just saw this guy's picture,I would never think he'd be some crazy government censor. I'd peg him as more of the murderer/serial rapist type.

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"For the first time in history, kids are more savvy with technology than parents..."

Heh, I remember a time when a comedians favourite joke involved a parent asking his/her children to program the VCR for them. That was two generations of video technology ago.

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I think the really nasty bit is being overlooked here.

We have a case of a law that is essentially never applied, and he is looking for a 'shock' case... some random person who will have the book thrown at them so everyone else gets in line.

While I know it happens, it strikes me as a really sick thing to do, and sicker to be proud of it.  

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While I don't agree with all of Bill Hastings' comments and feel that some of them are ill-informed, I find the fact that the his comments have been taken as an indictment of the entire New Zealand governmental and legal system as being even more ill-informed.

Yes, like a lot of countries that aren't the US we have a legally binding rating system for many forms of media (although as you can probably gather, the law isn't enforced all that much). Yes, the Office of Film and Literature Classification could probably have chosen a better URL than censorship.govt.nz. Yes, Bill Hastings could have chosen a better official photo.

Yet, somehow, despite all of this we actually have less censorship of games than in the US (as an example, I was able to buy the uncensored versions of Fahrenheit and The Witcher with zero problems).

Legal ratings are not the end of the world, people.

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Fucking Nanny State bullshit...great job, ass.

Reality/////////////////////////////////////Fantasy. Seems like a pretty thick line to me...

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"Since parents don't feel that they should take responsibility anymore and would rather sue if something happens to their kid, then somebody competent needs to step in."

I'm sorry but this is a terrible argument and is basically the same propaganda that Hitler, Stalin, and every other despot over the years fed their people. Your too stupid to make the right descion so the government is going to do it for you. If a parent lets thier kid play GTA, God of War, or Resident Evil, that's their descion and no grey haired bureaucrat has a right to tell them not to. And somebody competent? lol. Most bureaucrats are anything but competent. And the stop the crap about how parents suing is the reason we need crap like this. Fascism is not how you fight stupidity. This is a truely scary development because now other countries may follow suit and legislators here will try to push for it as well.

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"For the first time in history, kids are more savvy with technology than parents"

On which planet?  Kids are generally ahead of the curve.

Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

"For the first time in history?"  When my dad was a kid, they swiped Playboys out of a neighbor's trash bin.  Kids have always been savvy, it's just the technology that's advanced.

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Re: New Zealand Censor: Prosecute Parents Who Give Violent

Funny how violent video games will be used as an excuse to usher in an era of totalitarianism in New Zealand....

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If a child wants to buy a video game and his parents(and grand parents) are in jail, then there's somthing is wrong with this picture

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

 
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Craig R.Btw, the guy who swatted security expert Brian Krebs? He got picked up recently. It can be done.09/20/2014 - 8:55pm
Craig R.Such things are not done in a vacuum... hence why the 4chan and other logs show what fools you've all been, tricked into doing the trolls' work09/20/2014 - 8:49pm
Sleaker@Technogeek - How do you call someone out that anonymously calls in a SWAT team, or sends threats to people?09/20/2014 - 7:04pm
Technogeek"It also doesn't mean you're obligated to stop harassment from all gamers that are doing so." I'd say you're certainly obligated to call them out when you see it happening.09/20/2014 - 5:17pm
SleakerNow if you disagree with anything in my last 2 posts then we obviously have a difference in world view, and wont come to any sort of agreement. I'm fine with that, maybe some people aren't?09/20/2014 - 5:09pm
SleakerIt also doesn't mean that just because a news outlet says that Gamers are the problem and you self-identify as a Gamer, you're immediately the problem. It also doesn't mean you're obligated to stop harassment from all gamers that are doing so.09/20/2014 - 4:59pm
SleakerJust to re-iterate: People getting harassed is wrong. Just because someone is harassed by so called 'gamers' doesn't mean that all gamers are bad. nor does it mean that you need to pass laws or judgement on all gamers.09/20/2014 - 4:56pm
 

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