Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

March 11, 2009 -

Tim Kretschmer, the German teenager whose shooting rampage left 16 people dead earlier today, was a fan of the first-person shooter Counter-Strike, according to an early report from the Associated Press:

A 17-year-old who would give only his first name, Aki, said he had been studying this year with the shooter at a private business school, and described him as a quiet, reserved person.

 

Aki said the two played poker together, both in person and online, as well as a multiplayer video game called "Counter-Strike" that involves killing people to complete missions.

 

"He was good," Aki said.

Meanwhile, UK newspaper Telegraph reports that Kretschmer was experienced with weapons:

A former classmate said... "The only thing which stands out is that Tim was always very good with weapons. He mainly shot air weapons firing plastic balls, but the house had several gun cabinets occupying square metres of walls, mainly air guns."

 

"He was a pretty good shooter. He used to shoot in a forest behind his house. Sometimes we'd have air gun battles in the summer."

Another student told the AP that Kretschmer seemed troubled:

Sabienne Boehm, 12, said she recently met the shooter through a friend, and that he had shown her a note three weeks ago that he then sent to his parents.

 

"He wrote to his parents that he's suffering and he can't go on," she said.

GP: Video game violence is an ongoing topic of discussion among German political officials. Today's events will almost certainly spur additional debate on the topic.


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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

He had acsess to guns but that still doesn't explain why he chose to use them.

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

At least they can't claim Counterstrike trained him or gave him the skills to handle a weapon.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

History dictates they can and will. Will it be right? Fuck no.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

None of those facts will matter to those who will bark the loudest.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

Then now would be a good time to bring out the muzzles.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Nice gun pun.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

why can't we blame his homicidal murders on BEING GERMAN?

i mean, we do have direct links to Germans going out and murdering the crap out of a whole bunch of people...

just sayin'

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Nope, technically he was Austrian and not German.

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

I'm just waiting for the day that angry german kid goes on a murder rampage.

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

That was actually staged.

 

Though I am surprised anti-game crusaders don't have that video favorited and bring it up every time they appear on TV or at conferences and hearings.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Yeah...what is it with Counterstrike?  That alone makes me suspicious.  Counterstrike got immediate blame in 2 previous cases...Virginia Tech, where it was found that Cho didn't play games at all, and NIU where no evidence has yet been released one way or another about whether he was a significant gamer.

It seems almost like blaming "Counterstrike" is code for "What I'm saying is total bullshit..."

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Believe it or not counterstrike is very popular over there. I believe it is because of the frequent use of cybercafes and school computers, because counterstrike can run on just about any machine. I even meet a guy who had it installed on a flash drive. While it may be a scapegoat here just about everyone who has played an FPS has played counterstrike.

Now if only they would play CS:S and not 1.4 I would be happy :D

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

" I even meet a guy who had it installed on a flash drive."

At my high school nearly everyone who spent their lunch in the computer lab had counter-strike on their flash drive, that and Starcraft (this coming from a college freshman).

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Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Excuse me, I just have to say this: StarCraft ftw.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

agreed StarCraft ftw...its on mmy flash drive too along with Halo, Solider of Fortune

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

More like "We haven o idea why he did it.... quick, blame something popular among outcasts!!!"

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Counterstrike. Ain't that Jack-O's favorite target for his "murder simulator" accusations?

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

No, that would be GTA.

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

And think the GTA series gets tangentially caught up in his "I'm going to crush Strauss Zelnick and Take2" threats but isn't so often the subject of a "The shooter obviously trained on [Game X]" accusation. 

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

No, it's by far his most quoted "murder simulator", even though there are plently of other games (like CS) that are much more realistic.

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Battlefield 2's Project Reality mod comes to mind very quickly, as do games like Operation Flashpoint and the Rainbow Six series, all of which portray weapon damages and recoil better than CS and Jack's other favorite targets.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Counter Strike, Grand Theft Auto, Manhunt, Bully, Doom, and at least twice Halo.

I know he blamed Halo for the Beltway sniper's actions, and he once stated he was going so stop Halo 3's release, less than a week before the event.

He likely doesn't know what kidn of hell he cancatch IF he is ever successful in stopping a game release, and is likely counting on it.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

I think it's related to the economy in Germany

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

…as well as a multiplayer video game called "Counter-Strike" that involves killing people to complete missions.

That is probably the grossest oversimplification of any game I have ever heard outside of the Encyclopedia Britanica

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

It's still better than "Counter-Strike is a game where the player has to kill grandmothers and rape schoolgirls". No, I'ts not a joke. A newspaper really reported that.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

Source I must have source give me source or be damned to the Spanish inquisition

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

And the paper is? (It is not a UK national in the last ~30 days)

 

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Forgot about that. It was back in 2002 after Erfurt.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

which one? That's grounds for a lawsuit if that were real.

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Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Which one? Better ask which one didn't. After the Erfurt shooting in 2002, this was in most German papers. It was everywhere, from tabloids like the BILD and the LaRouche propaganda paper 'Neue Solidarität' to reputable newspapers like the FAZ.

Oh, and 'grounds for a lawsuit'? Nothing happend. Absolutely nothing. Just another symptom of the much lamented 'sorry state of the industry'.

 

Edit: Well, to be fair, they didn't write about raping schoolgirls, just shooting them.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

Yeah haven't you heard of the Rapelay mod for Counterstrike?

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

And... here... we... GO...

 

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

So this damn endless dance cotninues.

 

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

Of course it couldn't have been the fact he was clearly disturbed in the head that caused him to do this. It must have been that thing he liked to do, that thing that millions of other teens who haven't murdered anyone like to do, it must have been them damn vidja games.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

Oh boy, here comes the cry babies blaming video games instead of the guy doing all the shootings.

$10 said fox will air jack's nonsense.

 

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Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

 

Jack Thompson saying CS was behind this in 3....2....1

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike Player

They won't since he's now a harmless old man with no career. Previous times, he was a fucked-up attorney.

When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

If it happens, I wont hesitate in making fun of him(By photoshoping his picture)

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Report: German Rampage Shooter Was a Counter-Strike ...

 Here we go again (siiiiiighhhhhh)...

I'd like to say something about the true content of Counter-Stike (just shooting people? Puh-lease), but here, I'm just preaching to the choir. I think this is another good chance to stand up for our rights!

 
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