Head of German Police Union Calls For Ban on Violent Video Games

The head of Germany’s police union in the state of Hesse has called for a ban on violent video games in the wake of a horrific school shooting earlier this month.

Echo Online cites comments made by Heini Schmitt, head of the Hessen German Police Union (DPolG):

It is known that in every situation in which a violent rampage (Amoklauf) has occurred, the perpetrator has had a remarked addiction to so-called killergames. The manner of the deed is astonishingly similar to virtual examples.

 

For him, the fact that roughly a third of children and youths "regularly and addictively escape into a virtual world" sets off alarm bells. Age restrictions for such games are often ignored.  There is admittedly no proof "that these frequent escapes into virtual killerworlds can contribute to such insane deeds", said Schmitt, "But neither can the role killergames be completely dismissed." 

 

When a chance to remove a probable cause exists, it must be used, insisted the chief of the national police union. "The world would be no poorer if there were no more killergames."

GP: Thanks to GamePolitics Forum mod Hannah for the translation!

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  1. 0
    State says:

    Fahrenheit (whose titled had to be changed to Indigo Prophecy for the US) is one example, Leisure Suit Larry: Magna Cum Laude is another, GTA: SA Hot Coffee is another.

  2. 0
    gamegod25 says:

    And while we’re at it lets get rid of all movies, music, art, books, etc. that have violence in them. We don’t have any proof that they make people into killers but better safe than sorry right.

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    Tia Smith says:


    This is not at all acceptable. We are free to do whatever we want. However perception may differ to analyze the particular confrontation in unusual way. This is not the mode to solve problems. They should assume some other method to get relieve of this circumstances. Video games are the prior resource of amusement for the generation so, to blame on games is not appropriate

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  4. 0
    chadachada321 says:

    Haha, I AM 17, which probably has a bit to do with it

    -If an apple a day keeps the doctor away….what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

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    mondog says:

    All those wars in the middle ages were caused by violent video games. WW2, again violent video games. Napoleon, Hitler, Mussolini, Ghengis Khan etc all had violent video game addicitons.

     

     

  6. 0
    TBoneTony says:

    Perhaps I was a bit tired of hearing all this that even I am capable for writing such things…

    Yes the internet can be full of garbage too, but at least that online we can have a source of different information instead of being forced to believe what has happened on the news.

    At least that we can do our own research.

    I guess that was something I should have written then.

     

  7. 0
    JC says:

    Maybe it is because the mainstreem news media is more likely to focus mainly on the exagerated claims and the comments that cause the most newsworthy coverage rather than someone who happens to understand more about what the real issues are.

    You’re either very naive or very young. This has been happening for a long while. The only difference is that internet allows people to access multiple sources to compare and contrast and make a better educated opinion on the matter than simply believing everything on the "news".

  8. 0
    Doom90885 says:

    Bullshit like this just makes me wonder….if all forms of violent entertainment were banned and destroyed, what will these morons blame everything on now The Disney Channel?

     

     

     

     

     

     

    For those who oppose and view video games as murder simulators…When are you going to FINALLY oppose and view firearms as murder weapons?!?!

  9. 0
    TBoneTony says:

    I can see from just reading from his words that he is so uptight on emotion and is not able to listen to anybody who is resonable.

    Yes, he admitted that there was no scientific proff, but yet he contradicts his statement by trying to focus the issue on violent videogames.

    Maybe because if he would have at least talked some sence, then maybe the mainstreem media would have just ignored him.

    Is it any wonder why it is that the people who talk the most sence happen to be the people using their bloggs and books instead of the mainstreem news media?

    Maybe it is because the mainstreem news media is more likely to focus mainly on the exagerated claims and the comments that cause the most newsworthy coverage rather than someone who happens to understand more about what the real issues are.

     

    This guy tries to talk some sence, but yet he is too fulled up on negative emotion that he can’t control himself by contradicting his own words.

     

     

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    Hannah says:

    Interestingly, they were the first to ban it in government buildings, reveal the health consequences of tobacco use (especially for pregnant women), and launch an aggressive anti-smoking campaign — all long before other western nations really took note of the issue.  Unfortunately, the man who spearheaded this effort was a certain Mr. Adolf Hitler, so after the war, pretty much everything associated with him was scrapped and vilified.  Thus, I don’t think it’s entirely fair to blame the German people for being behind in this regard.

    That being said, they still haven’t quite got the hang of free speech, so… they do have some catching up to do.

  11. 0
    GoodRobotUs says:

    It’s not the Jews I’m thinking about, it’s those big piles of burning books that were ‘dangerous’.

    It all starts somewhere, and as a European citizen, whilst I have massive respect for the Germans and their prowess at almost anything technical, I still get very nervous when powerful people in Germany start talking about ‘getting rid’ of unsuitable media. Whilst, in truth, there’s no difference between German politicians doing it and any other politicians, there’s a particular history there that will make Europeans nervous.

    Any speech that involves the concept of  ‘If we could only get rid of X then the world would be a better place’ is usually walking a dangerous road, and it’s one that Germany, of all nations, should be aware of the dangers of.

     

    Edit: And no, I don’t think this represents the re-emergence of Reichland thinking or anything of the sort, the German public themselves would resist that, I feel, to the limits of their ability, but the simple fact the concept of controlling media is re-emerging is enough to scare.

  12. 0
    chadachada321 says:

    …I didn’t take a shower before going on a shooting spree… =( I feel left out

    -If an apple a day keeps the doctor away….what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

  13. 0
    chadachada321 says:

    …Wasn’t he 17? Hardly a child at that point…

    -If an apple a day keeps the doctor away….what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

  14. 0
    chadachada321 says:

    Violent religion?

    Actually, that would be different, because there HAS been many deaths related to religion over the course of human history. Not that religion is violent, absolutely not, but some people just go crazy over stupid stuff…

    -If an apple a day keeps the doctor away….what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

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    fetidchimp says:

    Teenage mutant ‘hero’ turtles,  the UK removed the word ninja for fear that just hearing the word ninja would have people out whittling nunchuks and folding metal for their swords.  Guess it worked because there is no knife violence at all in the UK now due to that name change many years ago, another victory for censorship.

    In fact can any country at all give an example of censorship working to curtail one of societies ills.  So here we have people wanting to ban games under the banner, may cause serial killer tendencies, when i haven’t seen any solid proof that censorship has ever succesfully righted wrongs or stopped any misdeed occuring at all, as they claim it does.

  16. 0
    PHX Corp says:

    in a post on kotaku German gamers are starting to fight back(it came from  xXNoobXx)

    I’m living in Germany and I’m also pretty sick of the whole debate about video games being the cause for school shootings. Semms like everyone is going mad in my country these days. Especially the kind of politicians which do know right about nothing concerning video games but nevertheless keep demanding the ban of video games (especially 1st person shooters) suck pretty bad. Right now gamers here are trying to fight back:

    We have elections this year, so the threat not to vote for politicians which support a video game ban should prove to be very effective.

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

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    Mad_Scientist says:

    Maybe he’s refering to that one adventure game, Fahrenheit or something, which had a sex scene in the UK version that was removed from the US version. There may have been other similar cases.

    On the other hand, the UK versions of Fallout 1 and 2 had the children removed, compared to the US version, so it’s not like the UK doesn’t sometimes get censored games as well. I’m not sure if they are any good statistics regarding it.

    I think that very few games in either the UK or the US are actually censored… not counting stuff that occurs while the games are still in development, and thus effects every region. (For example, practically no game will depict the killing of children anymore, so when it comes to the "do everything" style of games, some games will make them invincible, and others games just don’t include them at all.)

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    Nekowolf says:

    Agreed. Aside from the occassional AO, which isn’t even -technically- censorship *note: I still don’t support the way they are handled, but yeah* there isn’t any real censorship that is forced per say.

    Here in the States, a company may take out stuff, under free choice, to go for a lower rating, but in some places in Europe (like Germany), I’d imagine for some games, it is a requirement or get banned. And that IS censorship.

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    Conster says:

    I get so tired of people screaming "NAZIS!" whenever there’s anti-18+ games talk in Germany. Yes, it’s a pretty dumb idea. No, that does not make it okay to accuse him of wanting to kill Jews.

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    PHX Corp says:

    Therefore Causing them to unban Violent Video games(due to the pressure of piracy and germany’s economy comes crashing down)

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

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    Chaplain99 says:

    It’s because of the fact that a child did the shooting that the government is overreacting.  If it was an older individual, the government would blame the mental state of the shooter.  But no, children aren’t born wrong in the head, video games MAKE them that way!

    "HEY! LISTEN!"

  22. 0
    Rohin says:

    I think I’ve cracked it! Every human killer throughout history has breathed Oxygen – it’s the thread connecting them all. Ban Oxygen, for the children!

  23. 0
    gamadaya says:

    That actually makes it worse. He knows that there is no definitive link here. He’s just pushing his agenda. And the fact that his philosophy includes banning anything that might even have the potential to cause harm is worrying. What I got from this is that he is an anti-game, anti freedom of speech douchebag, that he freely admits this, and that he just doesn’t give a shit.

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    Chamale says:

    So… Most German teens play violent video games… Most school shooters play video games… Most school shooters are teenagers…  Therefore, most video game players will shoot people!

    Logic: Another thing politicians suck at.

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    Father Time says:

    Ug not again,

    Isn’t the idea that a hooby enjoyed by millions of law-abdiding citizens causing people to commit crimes an extraordinary claim and doesn’t it thus require extraordinary proof?

    Oh no that would require real work.

    Sad part is is that if they do succeed in banning it it will continue to be their scapegoat of choice.
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    GoodRobotUs says:

    And yes, I know it sounds a bit sharp, but this is genuinely worrying, there are frightening echoes in that speech, whilst I’ll admit, it’s hardly the fever pitch type reactions on 1938, there’s a certain resonance with comments made about Judaism by Himmler, all he needs to do now is say something like ‘You may think there are some ‘good’ adult games out there, ones that are moderately harmless, but in truth they are all dangerous!’ and the similarity would be terrifying…

     

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    Alex says:

    There is admittedly no proof "that these frequent escapes into virtual killerworlds can contribute to such insane deeds", said Schmitt, "But neither can the role killergames be completely dismissed." 

     

    When a chance to remove a probable cause exists

    And that is where I stop reading. Just because the POSSIBILITY can’t be dismissed doesn’t make it a "probable cause."

    I’m not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I’m not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don’t know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.

  28. 0
    tibuka says:

    Even if there were a causal connection: If everything that could possibly cause violence would be banned, there would be no more democracy or freedom of speech. Also, there would still be violence. It’s in our nature.

    Oh, and ‘roughly a third of children and youths "regularly and addictively escape into a virtual world" ‘? Yeah, they also did that when YOU were young. Was a thing called movies. Oh, and books. Comics. Theater. Music. Entertainment. Fantasy. Imagination.

  29. 0
    SeanB says:

    "The world would be no poorer if there were no more killergames."

    Interesting sentiment. It took Germany 2 years longer than most of the rest of Europe to ban Smoking in Public Places.

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    Tammej says:

     "The world would be no poorer if there were no more killergames."

     

    If only I could talk to these kinds of people. But I highly doubt that they can all be reasoned with. Most of them will utter phrases like these, no matter what. To be honest, this does make me angry, because I play these games all the time, but I have voted, engage in countless debates and discussions about politics, helping out where I can.

    [Guru voice]There is no light without a shadow.[/Guru voice]

     

     

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    Bennett Beeny says:

    Did the killer eat a sandwich in the days before his murder spree?  I’m guessing the answer is yes.  In fact I’ll go further – I’ll bet almost every serial killer and maniac has eaten sandwiches on many occasions – I’ll bet many would seem to be sandwich addicts!  There is no proof that eating sandwiches can contribute to such insane deeds, but neither can the role of sandwiches be completely dismissed.

    Did the killer take a shower or a bath in the days before his murder spree?  I’m guessing the answer is yes.  In fact I’ll go further – I’ll bet almost every serial killer and maniac has taken showers or a bath on many occasions – I’ll bet many would seem to be cleanliness addicts!  There is no proof that keeping oneself clean can contribute to such insane deeds, but neither can the role of cleanliness be completely dismissed.

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    KayleL says:

    There is admittedly no proof "that these frequent escapes into virtual killerworlds can contribute to such insane deeds", said Schmitt, "But neither can the role killergames be completely dismissed."

    Wait? What? If there is no proof, then why go to the extreme and ban games. He made still believe that it does harm, but that is no where near enough to ban something.

  33. 0
    Sai says:

    So one kid. ONE KID. And suddenly video games will turn ALL kids into psychopathic spree shooters?

    Why doesn’t never occur to anyone that, I dunno, this kid is just CRAZY? 

  34. 0
    Vake Xeacons says:

    "What’s the point? This world is beyond redemption; let the [heathen] cattle have it…[Years] of persecution have taught me well. [50] years ago, [freedom] was nearly extinguished by the fanatical crusades of the [Nazis], and now the SAME SICK DRAMA UNFOLDS AGAIN! In merely a decade, the [watchdogs] have nearly accomplished what the [Nazis] could not. [Righteousness] meddling in the affairs of [bigots]. Look where it’s brought us."

       Freedom of speech? "Fairy tails, boy! Merely the delusions of a failed civilization, clinging to hope long after the world had discarded them…So you see…it no longer matters; [we]’re simply too late…I’m afraid you, and all of us, are simply out of luck." – Vorador, Soul Reaver 2 

  35. 0
    Vake Xeacons says:

     Amen to that! I think that was Hitler’s plan. 

    Hitler felt the same way about movies and books as this guy does against games. If they didn’t conform to his vision of the world, burn ’em.

    We already saw game burnings IN AMERICA, so why shouldn’t Germany follow suit?

    Peace through elimination of media that contradicts my views. Peace through world domination. Peace through absolute control. 

    We think we’ve come so far…

  36. 0
    State says:

    A ban on violent games in Germany equates to the UK receiving a ban on violent games too? I fail to see the logic. Paranonia? Of course. It should also be remembered to the UK has had less games censored than the US (therefore that would lead me to believe that the US would be more likely to crackdown on the games than the UK, even though the possibility of such event happening is low, but regardless they would rather see a ban on violent games than a ban on a real cause; ease of access to guns).

    Instead of these attempts to make the UK apparently seem very conservative over the issue (for some unknown reason) we should actually look at real impact here and what effect it would have on the Pan-European age certification process (PEGI), because no doubt if the EU got its way and every country had to adopt it what pressure would be put on the system from Germany?

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    HarmlessBunny says:

     

    (warning watch out for flying sarcasim)

    You see it would be startling similar to the Call of Duty games…no actually F.E.A.R! Ummm….perhaps Soldier of Fortune? Oh lets go classic and blame Half Life and Counterstrike!

  38. 0
    PHX Corp says:

    Stop your conspiercy Theory statement’s, Germany of couse is going to suffer because of the ban  economic wise

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

  39. 0
    nightwng2000 says:

    The usual counterargument:

    What was the cause of violence BEFORE video/computer games came along?

    Violent music?

    Violent movies?

    And before that?  What?

    Humans are violent beings.  Doesn’t mean it’s right.  Just means we’ll be violent no matter what.

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  40. 0
    Matthew says:

    Correlation, causation, and statistical significance: You’re doing it wrong.

    It is known that in every situation in which a violent rampage has occurred, the perpetrator was human. There is admittedly no proof that being human contributes to violent acts, but given the history of war and suffering the role of humanity cannot be completely dismissed.

    Ban humans.

  41. 0
    NovaBlack says:

    ”The manner of the deed is astonishingly similar to virtual examples.”

    Kind of a captain obvious statement. Games that use guns are similar (at least in the respect that you point it at your target and fire). What else would they do? have an AK47 but have the player eat it and crap it at his enemies?. ITs hardly anything that isnt already common knowledge. And as for detailed similarities beyond ‘point and fire’ there are NONE.

     

    Similarities:

     – point in direction of target and shoot

     

    Differences –

    No crosshair floating inthe air.

    No autoaim.

    no auto reload.

    No magic ‘no recoil’ guns.

    No mouse to aim with.

    No ammo counter.

    No heat.

    No weight.

    No need to adjust for wind etc.

     

     

    yes.. startlingly similar.

     

     

  42. 0
    Zerodash says:

    Grand Theft Auto IV sold about 11M copies.  If these games MAGICALLY turn normal people into killers, where are the bodies?  If even 1% of the players of GTA4 became killers, then where are the 110,000 murder sprees?  And GTA is just one of many violent games.

    If what these insane, sissy, jackasses are saying is true, we would be up to our eyeballs in corpses.

    We are seeing the next phase of Germany’s panty-waste fear of videogames.  Stores are already refusing to sell what games are even allowed to be sold there.  A total ban on adult games will be implemented soon- all the bones are in place.  Of course, this won’t do anything to prevent crazy people from going on rampages. 

    I believe this is going to happen, and in time other (so-called "free society") governments with clueless pols are going to ban games- The UK and Austrailia are likely candidates.

    US anti-games moralists & nanny staters are going to be very excited about these developments and try their damndest to do it in the States. This is the beginning of a very bad chain reaction.

  43. 0
    Researcher says:

    I have entered the same comment several times about the apparent connection between video games and sudden mass violence.

    In 2008 a video game playing temporary worker in Japan rented a two ton truck, drove it into a crowd, jumped out and stabbed seventeen killing seven. Still the problem is not the game.

    It’s a problem that was discovered and solved forty years ago, Subliminal Distraction. The Virginia Tech, Redlake school, Joleka school, and Atlanta Day Trader killers all created the "special circumstances" for it. Others may have also but the information is not available to me.

    The Finnish National Police actually published a picture of Auvinen’s computer in his bedroom showing how he created the problem. They  refused this information after I contacted them through the Finnish Embassy. (That picture is on the Redlake school shooting page on my site.)

    No one believes this phenomenon the first time they hear it.

    I have written the two officers in charge of the shooting in Germany. If you want to help get this problem solved finally, email the headquarters of the Polizie for Peter Kraft and EG Schule about the Winnenden shooting. I will not publish the email address they sent me for my input.

    THIS PROBLEM WAS SOLVED FORTY YEARS AGO.

    Why should people continue to die because of a simple problem and ignorance.

    L K Tucker http://VisionAndPsychosis.Net

  44. 0
    LimaBravo says:

    Head of German Police Union Calls For Ban on Violent … Guns. 

    Makes sense.

    Head of German Police Union Calls For Ban on Violent … Games.

    No sense.

     

     

     

  45. 0
    A-wel Cruiz says:

    When a chance to remove a probable cause exists, it must be used, insisted the chief of the national police union.

    More like, "when the chance to scapegoat exists, it must be used."

  46. 0
    Sage says:

    This police officer seems to have a good head on his shoulders. Yes, there is no definate "proof" that violent video games cause mass shootings, but there is still the chance that they do. I say we ban violent media for, ten years, and if there is no decrease in mass shootings then I guess all of us nay-sayers were wrong.

  47. 0
    HertzaHaeon says:

    I have an idea! They can collect all violent games in big piles and burn them publically. Make a rally out of it. Germany used to be good at weeding out corrupt and immoral art back in the day. It can happen again.

  48. 0
    ZAR says:

    On the other hand, this very same union almost never says a word when democratic rights are violated   – or when our over-eager minister of the interior plans to fuse police and secret agencies together. And they even showed an alarming level of sympathy when torture was debated as a means to an end!

    As as German citizen I’m wondering more and more on WHICH piece of paper these policemen and their organisation are ACTUALLY sworn in. The German constitution? But of what year! 1891? 1919?

    ZAR.

     

  49. 0
    mdo7 says:

     

    yep, he did play Counterstrike. (more sarcasm and satire below)

     

    A little quote I put at Kotaku:

     

    "Also because Hitler was a big fan of Command & Conquer series. oh and also the serial killers like Jürgen Bartsch (killed 4 children since 1961 until 1979 where he was executed) was a big fan of Manhunt, and Karl Denke (who suicided in 1924 in a jail cell) who ate 40 people because he played Cooking Mama and Manhunt."

    Let see our serial killers who played video game:

    Dennis Rader aka The BTK killer-Manhunt, Postal

    David Berkowitz aka Son of Sam-Grand Theft Auto series

    Albert DeSalvo aka The Boston Strangler-Grand Theft Auto, and Manhunt

     

    Even our history most famous dictators played video game:

    Vladimir Lenin-Command & Conquer (that’s why Lenin resemble Kane)

    Joseph Stalin-Command & Conquer: Red Alert series ( Stalin’s real name Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili, he just took the name and the look because he played too much of that game)

    Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh, and Kim Il Sung-Command & Conquer (all of them), and Endwar

    you want to know why Hitler was a backstabber and invade the Soviet Union.  It was because Stalin beat Hitler online when they both play Counterstrike and Hitler was pissed and he decided to make Command & Conquer look real.  It was said that Hitler favorite music was the Hell March from Red Alert.

     

    (End Sarcasm)

  50. 0
    olstar18 says:

    I think there is a mistranslation up there which would explain it. What he realy said was ‘HEIL HITLER’ and then some garbage about violent video games being tools of the jew.

  51. 0
    gamadaya says:

    I thought of that quote too when this all started. Episode 3 wasn’t all that bad.

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  52. 0
    Vake Xeacons says:

    Scary…no logic…no honor…no freedom…

    Even though there’s no evidence, video must cause these killings. 

    People never pay attention to ratings.

    EVERY shooting is committed by gamers.

    This is the worst I’ve heard from someone other than JT. Sad.

    "This is how democracy dies: with thunderous applause."

  53. 0
    Nocturne says:

    I think ‘that he is aware of’ must be the critical words missing from his sentance, I took a quick look at some of the german school shootings I could find info on and it came down to:

    2 Blamed on video games

    1 Blamed on Satanic cults

    1 Blamed on the kid losing it after having been expelled and still pretending to go to school for a month so his parents wouldn’t know.

    Even ignoring the fact that both the shootings blamed on video games have far more plausible reasonings behind them, it’s still a massive leap in logic to say their responsible for every rampage.

  54. 0
    Afirejar says:

    He probably meant "every situation in which a violent rampage (Amoklauf) has occurred" that he is aware of, which probably translates to "all major German shootings of the last ten years". Gotta love drawing conclusions based on a sample size of three.

  55. 0
    Nocturne says:

    It is known that in every situation in which a violent rampage (Amoklauf) has occurred, the perpetrator has had a remarked addiction to so-called killergames. The manner of the deed is astonishingly similar to virtual examples.

    Actually there is nothing that in all of them is consistant, Video games are blamed far less than guys like this would make out.

    (I was thinking initially all the shooters were male but then I remembered I don’t like Mondays from the Boomtown rats about the shootings at Cleveland Elementary School by a 16 year old girl)

     

  56. 0
    Werrick says:

    Last I checked Timothy McVey didn’t play video games.

    Neither did any of the Postal workers who went… *ahem* "Postal".

    Neither did Pierre Lebrun who shot up a bus depot in 1999, in Ottawa.

    This guy’s an idiot.

  57. 0
    Erik says:

    So basicly what he said is: "Admittedly, even though there is no evidence that ice cream consumption in the summer causes shark attacks one cannot deny that ice cream causes shark attacks"

    How can he even say "no one can deny?"  The lack of evidence is the very REASON someone denies something.  That is what denial is.

    -Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person’s fear of their own freedom-

  58. 0
    Azhrarn says:

    To be honest, I’d be surprised if it wasn’t fabricated. These are the media we’re talking about. They’re not as extreme in europe as they are in the US, but scaremongering is still the #1 tactic to get more viewers. They know teenagers don’t watch the news, but older people do and those are afraid of newer technology that they don’t fully understand. Blaming it on a game rather than the psychological problems the boy was having is so much easier. Society can’t be at fault, so they find a convenient scapegoat, games just happen to be it.

     

  59. 0
    Mysticgamer says:

    And then maybe he can explain why the shooters in school shootings are usually abused/mollested, mentally ill, or depressed indiviuals and why that fact is down played in the media.

  60. 0
    mdo7 says:

     

    Let see what else is also popular in Germany.

    Manga/anime is like a big pop culture in Germany.  Maybe they’re put the blame on for school shooting when there is no more video game.

     

    If a school shooting happen and the shooter doesn’t have any video game, but a manga/anime, they’ll blame Battle Royale.

    A serial killer in Germany killing people, you can always blame Higarushi No Naku Koro Ni.

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    Azhrarn says:

    T-rated games would be found to gory and violent and banned next, what else. Once you take the steps needed to ban one range you might aswell ban them all, which is what I suspect will happen if the german politicians can’t get their heads of out their voters asses and think for a change rather seizing the spotlight to grab some votes.

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    JB says:

    I’m curious, if a country actually manages to ban "M" rated games, what’s their scapegoat going to be when violence continues to be a  problem?

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    HarmlessBunny says:

    From the sounds of it, there was some speculation whether the German media made up that supposed link between the killer and Farcry 2. Wouldn’t surprise me if that was completely fabricated.

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    Danny Internets says:

    So playing Farcry 2 on one occasion constitutes an addiction to violent video games now? And despite admitting to having no evidence to support a link between said addiction and violent behavior, this guy says we should ban games just because, hey, it can’t hurt, right?

    While we’re at it, let’s start banning films and books too. No possible harm could come from that. Let’s just ban it all; nobody really NEEDS art, entertainment, and culture.

    And here I thought we Americans had a monopoly on stupid.

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    Michael Chandra says:

    This is what I’m taught as a typical mistake made by people.

    The chance on B given A is assumed to be the same as the chance on A given B. In other words, P(Games given Shooter) is assumed to be the same as the chance P(Shooter given Games), even though he admits P(Games) is over 1/3 (most likely more at 4/5 or higher, and this shooter only got addicted in the last few months, which most likely was due to getting turned down or something) and P(Shooter) is quite low.

    Probable cause? Bullshit. Learn math first, then shoot your mouth off.

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    Mattsworkname says:

    I love how he says the world wouldn’t be poorer for the lack of violent games. Yet does he say the same about movies, music, books? 

    The world wouldn’t be the only thing poorer you clod. Your country would join it when groups like cry tek start pulling out cause of your stupidity.

     

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    Erik says:

    Wait a tick.  Did he just say "There is no evidence that games are a contributing factor" followed by "One cannot deny that games are a contributing factor?"  His logic is self destroying!

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    BearDogg-X says:

    Thread is now Godwinned: Further proof that the Nazis are back in power in Germany.

    That being said, is the world supposed to take the words of an assclown named "Heini" seriously?

    And actually, the world be "poorer". Never mind the fact that there’s no absolute proof whatsoever of "violent" video games being "harmful" to anyone.

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