In Wake of German Rampage, Harvard Crimson Urges Politicians to Look at Guns, Not Games

March 23, 2009 -

Violent video games have been under fire in Germany following the horrific school shooting carried out by a 17-year old earlier this month.

But while some German political and law enforcement officials have called for bans on violent games, the Harvard Crimson urges the government not to rush a judgment against the medium.

Instead, suggests an editorial, political officials' efforts would be better channeled toward keeping real guns, not virtual ones, away from toubled youth:

Few crimes are more disturbing than violent murders at schools... In the aftermath [of the recent German rampage], a call has gone out to remove violent video games from store shelves. Banning video games or enforcing a blanket social restriction, however, is not the answer.

After a tragedy such as this, video games often receive immediate scrutiny... Studies may have found corollary evidence linking violent games to violent behavior, but... correlation does not equal causation, and there is no convincing evidence of a causal effect here. There are simply too many lurking variables—socially awkward teenagers may play violent video games, but so do many perfectly happy teens. We cannot prove that playing the games somehow morphs teens into serial killers.

Many people are concerned and look to lawmakers to respond. We must be reasonable, however, in our expectations. There will always be sociopaths and oddballs... We cannot hope to make every single person happy or non-violent. Exaggerating the link between video games and teen violence in this case smacks more of political ploy than effective measure...

More of the weight of such crimes must fall on the parents and others who leave such weapons in reach... Stricter penalties and regulations on gun sales could help keep such weapons out of troubled hands, but, as long as licensed guns are available, we must work harder to keep them secure.

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For years I have attempted to kill people with computer games.  Apart from a nasty bruise on the temple of some poor unfortunate from pre DVD boxed sets with heavy user manuals I hav had limited success.

 

Had I had shotgun though ...

At the end of the day, NO ONE or EVERY ONE should own gun.   Thats why the American system reduces crime.  Limited gun ownership means that tense upper middle class suiciders and farmers can exit in style and take innocent by standers with them on their demented sprees.  Thank god this fella has noticed GUN OWNERSHIP allows GUN SPREES.  Who woulda thought that ¬.¬

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Plus violence has been around since the days of the Bible.

This is madness, this is blastformy.

THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!

 

That is just another example for far back violence has gone in human society.

TBoneTony

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I live in Australia and even though we have tough gun laws after the Port Author Massacre that happened at a small town in Tasmania, we still have crime.

Instead of guns, some civil violence that happens in Australia often have knives involved or even glass bottles and glass cups that were used in pub brawls.

One recent incident of violence in Australia happened at a pub in Melbourne when a group of people who were not allowed in the pub started brawling with a security guard, and when the security guard got inside the pub and locked the door because of safety issues, the group then started to attack people outside of the pub.

One person got his head kicked and bashed by the violent mob.

Violence in society is a tough issue and neither Videogames or Movies are responsible.

And when you try to crack down on guns, people resort to knives, and if knives are out of reach then people resort to glass or chairs or anything they can get their hands on to use as a weapon.

And this is not fantasy, this is reality and instead of trying to solve the problem many politicians often use scapegoats all because they can't do anything else about it.

That is the sad thing about society.

 

TBoneTony

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Why not just ban handguns? Aren't handguns used in the vast majority of gun crimes? And aren't they also the least practical guns for hunting? I just don't see a point to them.

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Harvard +1

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I'm glad someone said it. The thing is, not everyone who plays a violent video game goes on a shooting spree. Conversely, not everyone who goes on a shooting spree plays violent video games.

The common denominator in all shooting sprees? GUNS! Fucking guns! Duh!

Banning violent media, I don't care what kind it is, is not the answer. I'm not advocating the banning of firearms either, but at the very least, better gun control is needed.
 

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'The common denominator in all shooting sprees? GUNS!'

No way!  You need a GUN for a SHOOTING spree?  My God, what an intelligent comment.  Who knew that you needed a gun to shoot someone?  I had no idea!

Take away the guns, and we'd be like England, where kids get shanked on their way to class instead.

Your suggestion is without merit or factual basis.  Blaming guns is every bit as moronic as blaming videogames.  In Germany, they have restrictive laws on the books concerning gun ownership, but they are barely enforced.  In America, we have a very good gun control system, and you can't point to a few outliers and say 'oh, well, of the 88.8 guns per 100 people, 1 was used in a crime at a school today' and then say you need more gun control any more than you can use the fact that 98% of school age kids play videogames to call for censorship. 

Also, your call for 'better gun control' shows that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.  'Better Gun Control', especially of the kind that the current administration would have in mind for us, would INCREASE the crime rate. Of nearly ALL violent crimes, not just gun related ones.

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I think your post button just exploded >.>

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Yea, my internet flipped the fuck out for some reason.  I was trying to talk to friends on XBL while I was typing, too. 

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'The common denominator in all shooting sprees? GUNS!'

No way!  You need a GUN for a SHOOTING spree?  My God, what an intelligent comment.  Who knew that you needed a gun to shoot someone?  I had no idea!

Take away the guns, and we'd be like England, where kids get shanked on their way to class instead.

Your suggestion is without merit or factual basis.  Blaming guns is every bit as moronic as blaming videogames.  In Germany, they have restrictive laws on the books concerning gun ownership, but they are barely enforced.  In America, we have a very good gun control system, and you can't point to a few outliers and say 'oh, well, of the 88.8 guns per 100 people, 1 was used in a crime at a school today' and then say you need more gun control any more than you can use the fact that 98% of school age kids play videogames to call for censorship. 

Also, your call for 'better gun control' shows that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.  'Better Gun Control', especially of the kind that the current administration would have in mind for us, would INCREASE the crime rate. Of nearly ALL

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'The common denominator in all shooting sprees? GUNS!'

No way!  You need a GUN for a SHOOTING spree?  My God, what an intelligent comment.  Who knew that you needed a gun to shoot someone?  I had no idea!

Take away the guns, and we'd be like England, where kids get shanked on their way to class instead.

Your suggestion is without merit or factual basis.  Blaming guns is every bit as moronic as blaming videogames.  In Germany, they have restrictive laws on the books concerning gun ownership, but they are barely enforced.  In America, we have a very good gun control system, and you can't point to a few outliers and say 'oh, well, of the 88.8 guns per 100 people, 1 was used in a crime at a school today' and then say you need more gun control any more than you can use the fact that 98% of school age kids play videogames to call for censorship. 

Also, your call for 'better gun control' shows that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.  'Better Gun Control', especially of the kind that the current administration would have in mind for us, would INCREASE the crime rate. Of nearly

Re: In Wake of German Rampage, Harvard Crimson Urges ...

'The common denominator in all shooting sprees? GUNS!'

No way!  You need a GUN for a SHOOTING spree?  My God, what an intelligent comment.  Who knew that you needed a gun to shoot someone?  I had no idea!

Take away the guns, and we'd be like England, where kids get shanked on their way to class instead.

Your suggestion is without merit or factual basis.  Blaming guns is every bit as moronic as blaming videogames.  In Germany, they have restrictive laws on the books concerning gun ownership, but they are barely enforced.  In America, we have a very good gun control system, and you can't point to a few outliers and say 'oh, well, of the 88.8 guns per 100 people, 1 was used in a crime at a school today' and then say you need more gun control any more than you can use the fact that 98% of school age kids play videogames to call for censorship. 

Also, your call for 'better gun control' shows that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.  'Better Gun Control', especially of the kind that the current administration would have in mind for us, would INCREASE the crime rate. Of

Re: In Wake of German Rampage, Harvard Crimson Urges

I am a follower of the theory of Cause and Effect.  I thing happens at point A to trigger a result at point B.  What the trigger is is not that easily defined though.  Its not the games or the guns.  If only there was a way to put a stop to the stupid,  you know the true cause of these problems then the world would be a better place (at least it could not be worse).   Outlaw Tin hats!

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Someone else gets that there are too many unclear variables that affect someone's behavior.

Psychology and sociology are soft sciences, which means that there are no hard sets of rules that can allow the easy reproduction of experiments. The interactions of human behavior are not as easy to theorize as an interaction in physics. Which is why I consider a lot of these experiments on measuring or diagnosing aggressive behavior in humans to be bunk.

On to politicians: many people think that we are their puppets. We are dead wrong. If we elected them and chose to do a job for us, we are the masters, and politicians are our puppets. But a lot of people don't like facing the fact that they have to always cater to our interests, which explains why a lot of politicians try to be above the law. Still, they have puppet-like qualities. As our puppets, we can lead them on to any direction provided that enough people pull the strings that way.

GameSnooper

Re: In Wake of German Rampage, Harvard Crimson Urges

Before we get the massive gun discussion again, let me post my personal standing:

- I am not against guns. I realize some people desire to have them, some need to have them, and I'm not going to sort them out myself in an attempt to come up with a good law proposal or whatever.

- I am, however, for gun control. The lunatics will always be able to get weapons. However, you want it to be hard. You also want to stop the guys that enter a shop, buy a gun and go shoot someone up out of rage.

In the case of Germany, I am uncertain as to why someone would need fifteen guns in his own house, when he probably could have had some stored at the gun club to make it easier on himself. Also, he screwed up by letting one lie around. It's someone violating existing rules in this case, which means that it isn't really easy to point at guns.

Re: In Wake of German Rampage, Harvard Crimson Urges

- I am, however, for gun control. The lunatics will always be able to get weapons. However, you want it to be hard. You also want to stop the guys that enter a shop, buy a gun and go shoot someone up out of rage.

Yeah, many states already have a 'cooling law' on the books, saying you can't take the pistol home until four days or so after you buy it.  In many states, this is because they use those extra days to register your pistol with the local police or sheriff.

Good knowledge of gun laws there chief.  Come on, do some research first.

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We need to realize that the two knee-jerk reactions we have after every school shooting are moronic.  Guns aren't the problem, nor are games.  There are 88.8 guns per 100 people in the US.  94% of school-aged childre (5-18) have played video games. 

In this case, Germany simply didn't enforce its own laws.  That's a big problem.  Another problem, one that can be pointed out in EVERY FUCKING SCHOOL SHOOTING (alright, almost all) is poor parenting.  If you're a parent and you have a gun, you need to keep it out of your child's reach, especially if your child has mental problems, aggression problems, or is just a plain, old-fashioned asshole.  How about we start blaming parents for being careless and ignoring their kids, like the parents of the Columbine shooters did, instead of blaming gaming and guns. 

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The problem (at least over here in Germany) is, that this whole business of hypocrites calling for more censorship has nothing to do with REASON, but mostly with an ELECTION YEAR and POWER.

Best example: media and politics now use the parents of the victims to put more pressure on the whole censorship debate. Those people are neither competent nor rational enough to have the right to decide, what the rest of the population is allowed to do or not to do. It's still a fact that a GUN killed all those people and that the person who did it had LOTS OF AMMO too in his home. Without the gun, no killings - without the ammo, ditto.

Besides, in a news report some policemen told how good a shot Tim K. was - YOU DON'T GET THIS KIND OF TRAINING FROM A VIDEO GAME!!!

ZAR.

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It's about time somebody told people that video game was not responsible for school shootings.  No it's not game, movies, music, or anything.

 

The killer had mental or emotional problem.  Why don't anyone listen and just blame on a medium.  God, there were school shootings even before video game came out.  I can list a lot of school shooting way before video game or FPS game came out.

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OH NO WE NEED SOMETHING TO BLAME IT ON!!!!! Forget blaming it on the person who did it, he just couldn't be mentality derranged we must find something to blame!

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I really DON´T think that anybody over here in germany will hear of this.
It won´t be shown on TV, it won´t be discussed by our politicans and it surely won´t be heared by the general german.

Also you guys should relax. Our german politicans are like flags - if enough wind comes from the other side, they will start supporting games and say that they alway were for them.
Note: Every time a "amoklauf" ends, the current politic-crowd starts to inform our german nation: We will change everything so our youth wont be corrupted by this evil things...blabla.
1-3 moths later noone will even TALK about this topic anymore.

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That's whatI was thinking, if they were rational enough to realize games arn't the sole factor they wouldn't need to listen to the inteligent people to begin with.


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The game industry should do more on it's end to get people to hear about things like this. Don't just wait for someone to say something. They make the products, then they should defend them when they come under fire.

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Oh my gods... It's not guns, it's not knives, it's not movies, it's not music, it's not games. These are all tools of expressing ones self in these shootings. Why does timmy listen to Black death metal? Because he's emotionally distraught, black death metal did not make him emotionally distraught HE was emotionally distraught.

Find the root of the problem, it's kids being not able to handle the stress and emotions around him with constant building up of not being able to express his feelings because he or she has no friends or parents that can or want to understand what their going through. When they have no outlet of expressing themselves they start to talk to themselves and rationalize themselves of what is happening to them and the world, eventually some of them blame the world for their failings and express themselves the only way they can after that... violance.

It's impossible to "make" friends with tax dollars or anything else, but we can promote school programs that allow kids to be in an enviroment where they can express themselves.

It's a common saying that in any school shootings it could of easily been prevented if someone actually listened to the kids. Instead though, everyone starts finding easy answers such as bans on games, isntead of doing the right thing which is to find ways to talk to the kids. I didin't say it's the easy answer, I said it was the RIGHT answer.

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Yet with how schools are right now, if you do express yourself you get told so sit down and be quiet. And with schools fearing liability lawsuits from overprotective parents, certain classes get cut.

And as Marilyn Manson said, despite being forced to shoulder much of the blame. "Iwouldn't have said a thing to those kids, I would have listened"

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Heh, in Highschool my Pysc teacher showed us a page from a mag that had a picture of Marilyn Manson with the quote "If you don't raise your kids I will."


Re: In Wake of German Rampage, Harvard Crimson Urges

Are German kids as over-medicated as American kids?  The advent of behavior-modifying drugs and their frequency of use seems to be among the only things that really changed in recent decades.  Violent media was always around.

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The things expected of children and the way society views children have changed radically in the last century.

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I think this whole 'everyone's a winner' bullshit attitude needs to go, to start with. 

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Problem is, the public fights harder for their "right to bare arms," than they do for games. People are going to see this as, not game defence, but a "guns kill people" article.

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Its probably because guns are lethal weapons and games are entertainment. Guns are actually dangerous, whereas games are not.  Hence it plays on more emotional chords, for both the gun enthusiast and anti-gun people.

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What sounds more rediculous on face value.

Get rid of violent games and kids won't go on rampages wih a gun.

Get rid of guns and kids won't go on rampages wih a gun.

I'd personally say #1.

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While these crazy people who go on rampages should have no access to guns, this argument is often clouded by anti-gun people who are as irrational as anti-games folk.  The belief that the mere existience of guns, or at least holding/owning one somehow magically transforms the bearer into a killer is absurd.  Again, these disturbed people have no access to guns, but be wary of the "magical gun" crowd...

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The belief that the mere existience of guns, or at least holding/owning one somehow magically transforms the bearer into a killer is absurd. 

Um well its good that that thats not the belief /rationale of the anti-gun crowd then, as far as im aware...

The actual belief is that guns are used to make killing easier. Which they are. So when someone does go postal (which undoubtedly they still would even without guns) it makes it easier for them to kill people. If they went to a school with a knife, yeah people would still get hurt + killed. But far less.

You just cant argue with the logic. There simply wouldnt be as MANY deaths without guns when somebody went postal (putting aside explosives etc). If knives were just as effective as guns then the army would save millions of dollars and train soldiers not to use guns, but solely to use knives. The whole point of military advancement from knives (used for thousands of years) to guns, is to facilitate killing of the enemy.

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There's a reason soldiers still carry knives you know, and its not just because they look cool or are useful tools.  They're stlil very effective weapons.

Give a kid a knife with a 3-inch long knife a reason and he'll manage to kill just as many people, just as easily, I promise you.  No one will know what he's up to until its too late.  Hell, there was a mafia shooting years ago where a hitman walked up to a man on a crowded NY street, shot him once with a suppressed .22 caliber pistol, and then stabbed him twice, continued walking, and nobody knew what happened until the target collapsed 8 seconds later. 

Also, without guns, we'll have more kids using explosives, which is something nobody wants to see.

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But it only works when you have the extreame abolishment of guns via something like police state. That means there are absoultly positively no guns in the country and the world all together. Logistically that is nigh impossible. Guns used by criminals are mostly bought off black market deals and other such sources.

If you ban guns for all the citizens and make it contraband, criminals will simply purchase them off somewhere else in the world and bring them back here. What happens is you have millions of unarmed law-abiding citizens with all the other criminals armed with weapons. Creating laws that punish those who don't obey them anyways makes no sense.

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Not to mention, I sure as hell won't let any government get to the police state point as long as I'm alive. I don't trust "trained police" any more than the average citizen. There is no reason why me or you shouldn't be able to carry a gun while a cop can.

Ugh...I'd like to go on a long rant about that...but I'm too tired right now...maybe someone else can pick up where I was going with this and roll with it

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But then you should factor in that those kids might still be able to get their guns illegally (like the Columbine kids) and they could still try using explosives (like Columbine). Also it would be very unfair to take guns away from law abiding citizens because some nuts want to use them for bad things, just like it's unfair to ban video games because some nuts can't handle them.

Also most gun crimes are not done by people going postal. There are a lot more gun crimes committed by regular criminals. The kind that have acsess to the black market

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Yes, it is our right. But help me out here: what are guns used for again? Are they, like, kitchen appliances or something? I forget...

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I see what you did there.  However, I also own a collection of Japanese swords (real ones, not the mall kinds), and many people do the same.  That does not mean that I am intending on slashing people up either. 

Also, don't forget sport-shooting, hunting (lame example), or even archery enthusiasts.

On that note, what about practitioners of martial arts?  No matter how much of that zen spiritual crap, they are still largely all about hurting or killing other people. 

Lots of "killing tools" are enjoyed by lots of people in a purely recreational and non-harmful manner.

 

Your implication that gun owners are all pineing for a chance to kill someone is absurd. 

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I am highly against guns, however, banning them would make things worse with so many obtainable through illegal measures. But, buying more guns doesn't really seem to be a solution either. It's like a stalemate. If you fight fire with fire, someone is going to get burn, but you can't just through a bucket of water on it either.

And also, I want a collection of authentic Katanas. Where do you get it? Ebay?

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It can be a solution though. Arming the citizens and right to carry have a direct corrolation to lower rates of crime in the US. Criminals think differently when commiting crimes whenever there is a possibility of an similarly or equally armed victims and are even more intimidated when there are possibilities of multiple armed victims. You would never attack a police station or a military base even if you are on a sucide shooting, because of the possibility of shooting one person then straight after 10 other guns are pointing straight at your head. It limits effectiveness and acts as a deterrance to future crimes.

The problem today is that people are ironically implimenting "gun free zones" that no matter what the laws are, guns are not allowed on the property of such sites as post offices, schools, and other such public sites. And where do the shootings happen at? Schools, post offices, and other "gun free" zones. 

The NRA usually do a demonstration like this in schools when their allowed to. They set up a scenario where there is a class of 30 and a teacher all without guns, and another person with a gun. Guy with gun kills teacher and all 30 students. They then set up another version where there are 30 students, 5 with guns, and 1 with a teacher. Shooter kills teacher, the 5 people with guns all point and kill the shooter, all 30 students live. And people say that "well that's not realistic." Tell that to the people who have experienced such shootings and ask the parents of the victoms "If you were allowed to give enough power to your child to fight and protect not only his life, but the life of his friends and teachers, would you not give him that power?"  

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 The NRA should use this town I have read about that requries all citizens to own a gun and keep it at home.  Their crime rate was extremly high until they made it mandatory that all citizens own a gun ... now granted it didn't elminate crime all together but apparantly murders are unheard of now. www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp and here is a link just to show I am not crazy

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Please slap yourself around a few times if you actually think they enforce that law. Seriously. Hit yourself repeatedly with something hard. Its a stupid argument that I am tired of hearing about.

God, for every stupid anti gun argument, there is a pro gun person with one just as stupid.


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The mere existance of the law makes criminals more likely to stay away from that town. They don't know who does or doesn't have a gun in a home (because people that are "morally opposed" can still choose to not own a gun), and so they won't try and rob/kill in that home.

Enforce? Who knows. The police here in Michigan never enforce the fireworks laws that we have, but the law is still in the book for when it is necessary to enforce. The cops there probably don't really care much if someone owns a gun in their house or not, because crime is wayyyy down!

-If an apple a day keeps the doctor away....what happens when a doctor eats an apple?-

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Cept most people who bring up Kennessaw think that it has a higher rate of gun ownership than most place.

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I believe you and all because I heard about it on the news, but worldnetdaily is such a biased source I would suggest you don't use it.

Here's the clip from the news though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM_eAWnQ

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Just curious, why is hunting a lame example?

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My point was that people use guns and other "deadly" pasttimes for reasons other than killing sprees.  Hunting is technically killing, but kind of a gray area depending on who you ask.  I wasn't saying hunting was lame, but rather it was a lame example for me to pull out to make my point- some people think killing animals is equal to killing people...

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The way I see it, a life is a life.  Humans as a species put more value on human life than the life other animals, mostly due to our biological imperative of personal/species survival.  In my opinion, you shouldn't kill animals or even plants unless there is a good reason, such as food, they are creating an unsafe condition (rabid dog, wasp attack) or they're just annoying flies and mosquitos.  Also, if an animal bites me and it's not someone's pet, all bets are off.

 

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quiknkoldEzach: I'm not talking about the needle. I'm talking about what's inside. Geeze. Depending on what it is, the sender could be guilty of bioterrorism.09/21/2014 - 12:51pm
E. Zachary Knightquiknkold, No. That syringe is not worse than white powder or a bomb. The syringe requires the recipient to actually inject themselves. Not true for other mail threats.09/21/2014 - 12:49pm
Andrew EisenThe closest to a threat I ever received was a handwritten note slipped under my door that read "I KNOW it was you." Still no idea what that was about. I think the author must have got the wrong apartment.09/21/2014 - 12:28pm
InfophileThat's what they call it? I always called it hydroxic acid...09/21/2014 - 11:57am
MaskedPixelanteProbably dihydrogen monoxide, the most dangerous substance in the universe.09/21/2014 - 10:14am
james_fudgewell I hope he called the police so they can let us all know.09/21/2014 - 9:07am
quiknkoldIt's pretty gnarly. Depending on what it is, it could be worse than white powder or a fake bomb.09/21/2014 - 9:06am
james_fudgeI just looked it up on UPS.com09/21/2014 - 8:56am
james_fudgeand expensive for an American to ship to London.09/21/2014 - 8:55am
E. Zachary KnightThat is pretty scary. Would have been worse if it were a fake bomb or white powder.09/21/2014 - 8:49am
quiknkoldThere's some more tweets regarding it with more pictures09/21/2014 - 8:09am
quiknkoldMilo Yiannopoulos was mailed a syringe filled with clear liquid. He claims it's anti gamergate harassment. Mentioned on his twitter twitter.com/Nero/status/51366668391625523209/21/2014 - 8:07am
Andrew EisenNow, having said that, what sites are you reading that are claiming that if "you self-identify as a Gamer, you're immediately the problem" or that gamers are "obligated to stop harassment"? Or was that hyperbole too?09/21/2014 - 1:03am
Andrew EisenFirst of all, ONE person in the Shout box suggested an obligation to call harassers out on their harassing but only after YOU brought it up. Plus, Techno said "when you see it happening." If you don't see it, you're not under any obligation.09/21/2014 - 1:02am
Sleaker@Craig R. - at this point I don't even know what the hashtags are suppsed to be in support of. what does GamerGate actually signify.09/21/2014 - 12:21am
Sleaker@AE - Hyperbole for the first 2, but it seems like some of the comments in the shout are attempting to place blame on fellow gamers because they aren't actively telling people to stop harassing even though they don't necessarily know anyone that has.09/21/2014 - 12:16am
Andrew EisenSleaker - Who the heck are you reading that is claiming "all gamers are bad," we "need to pass laws or judgement on all gamers," that if "you self-identify as a Gamer, you're immediately the problem," or that gamers are "obligated to stop harassment"?09/20/2014 - 9:44pm
erthwjimhe swatted more than just krebs, I think he swatted 30 people http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/05/teen-arrested-for-30-swattings-bomb-threats/09/20/2014 - 9:31pm
 

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