Report: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

March 24, 2009 -

The fallout from this month's horrific school shooting in Germany continues with President Horst Koehler (left) backing a call to ban violent video games and movies, according to AFP.

The news service reports that Koehler made his comments on Saturday at a memorial service in Winnenden, where the rampage began. More than 7,500 people were in attendance, including families of some victims of the shooter, 17-year old Tim Kretschmer.

From Koehler's remarks:

All Germany mourns with you... Each child is born innocent, and when a child dies, it is hope and the future which dies too... [there should be restrictions on] the innumerable films and videogames of extreme violence, with their display of dead bodies...

Earlier, families of five victims had written to Koehler and Chancellor Angela Merkel, demanding that violent video games be banned and teens restricted from access to guns:

We want something to change in this community, and we want to help so that there can be no second Winnenden... We want killergames to be banned. Games, whether on the Internet or on the PC, in which the goal is to kill as many people as possible deserve to be forbidden. The same goes for all violent games which are, in their structure and presentation, very realistic and very bloody.

GP: Thanks to GamePolitics Forum mod Hannah for the translation of the remarks by the victims' families.

UPDATE: A German-speaking GP reader believes that Kohler's remarks do not go as far as to call for a ban on violent games, although the AFP report indicates otherwise. There is a lively discussion on this in the comments section - worth a read.


Comments

Banning isnt going to solve anything

No. My freinds, it will simply cause more problems. The politics and people who are calling for these unneccasry actions, are not paying attention to some major facts and thats what we need them to do. Banning games and movies will only lead to more controversy and problems. And if such a thing were to happen, there would still be violence and crime, so it doesn't make much of a difference whether they ban games or not in the end.

Short and simple, look at the family, the psychology, the factors and his reasons. Other things such as video games and movies being resposnible, no thats completly ignorant and immature.

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Germany is in the worst economic slump since the pre WW2 depression, it's more than slightly worrying that, once again, there is a tendency towards book-burning.

Re: Report: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games,

If I was a poltician...

-Dream state transition here.-

"Hmmmmmm... overwrought troubled kid shoots people in school! Nobody's going to defend video-games now! PEOPLE! BLAME VIDEO-GAMES! -Mutters.- And certainly not the familial context and ridiculously easy access he had to guns...!" 

One day, politicians will allow competent people with the real skills/knowledge to deal with what society throws at society... Till then, they'll suck up every last itty bitty inch of power there is to have from the pain of families affected by this event.

Fucking opportunists.

 

Re: Report: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games,

As long as there is violence in media, whether it be movies, music, videogames, etc., one of these forms of entertainment will be subject to the "blame game" for a violent act that occurs.  Trouble is, violence existed long before these forms of entertainment were ever introduced into modern society.  Violence will continue to exist even w/ them being banned.  People who are mentally disturbed & let their mental illness take control will commit acts of violence no matter what.  Having access to violent media isn't going to make them anymore dangerous.  Having people ridicule them, look down on them, not listen to them, push them, etc., is what eventually will make them snap.  I'm sure this 17yr old boy had a much darker past than just sitting around in his room & playing videogames or watching movies.  No one cares to look into that though because as long as there's some easier way of something or someone taking the blame, then that's how it'll continue.  What always amazes me is when the media does find some sort of damning evidence that's not related to violent media entertainment, they just shrug it off as if it's nothing.  I mean, if someone was raped & bullied for years & then acted out on those haunting images of the past, it's a sentence you'll hear a reporter say before moving on to the next story.  Find out that this same person played GTA IV though & that's ALL you hear about & how games like it & other forms of media are ruining society.  Give me a break & take what happened for what it actually was.  A mentally ill teenager who had clear cut signs of killing others, but no one took any action, because "he would never do something like that".  Guess what, he did.  Others will too.  Even if you ban violent movies & videogames that's not going to stop people from killing who already have it in their mind that it's the only solution.  Maybe we should go back & re-analyze "Jack the Ripper".  He might have played tiddleywinks...

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Not going to say anything, it's just too sad and depressing that these people full of fear, anger, hate and suffering and getting all the media exposure and no one is even listening to the people who are talking sense.

Sad life is.

 

TBoneTony

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So, let's say for the sake of argument, you ban vilolent video/computer games and there's a tiny dip in the stats a year later.

Ok, so in your mind, that worked.

But, there's still violence.

So, you pick something else to ban, believing it's causing the remaining elements of violence.

So, you ban violent music.  A year later, the numbers appear to drop a bit more.

Ok, so in your mind,  that also worked.

But, there's still violence.

So, you pick something else to ban, believing it's causing the remaining elements of violence.

So, you ban violent movies.  A year later, the numbers, having waivered up and down throughout the year, appear to drop a bit more.

Ok, so in your mind, that worked.

But there's still violence.

Gee, maybe books containing violence are causing the continuing violence.

Then, the news (TV, newspapers, magazines) because they contain violent images, reports of violence, reports of injustice, so on and so forth.

So you ban all those things.

But, violence still occurs.  Moreover, violence begins to rise.  You're sitting around wondering what else you can ban to reduce violence.

But, in so doing, you ignore WHY the violence is occurring.  The oppression the population is feeling is leading some individuals to commit violence.  And while you banned some things that may affected some individuals one way, those individuals still found reasons to be violent which, at the heart, were the real cause for those individuals to be violent in the first place.  In other words, they were going to be violent, and the ignition point still found them and set them off, even if it was something other than what you banned.

Do you just keep being blind to the fact that people who will eventually be violent will be set off by ANYTHING, or do you finally realize that there are other reasons than the things you personally, religiously, and/or politically don't like that set individuals off?

Keep banning the things YOU don't like.  Eventually, those things will be gone, violence will still occur, and what will be left to ban are things YOU like or participate in.  Making YOU the cause of the violence that occurs then.

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http://www.amazon.com/Gun-Occasional-Music-Harvest-Book/dp/0156028972/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237984506&sr=8-1

This book has a similar take on the future.  The crux of the story is that the government starts issuing legal drugs to keep the populace docile, and part of that is banning media, going to far along as you've detailed above, to outlaw the asking of questions, for fear of offending the person who is asked.  You have to have a licesnse to ask a simple, What's up?"

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Cmon Nightwish, I love your comments. You could've made more of a story out of it.

They ban games by passing ordinances or what have you to make owning violent depicting intereactive material to be illegal. People still play it underground and shootings still happen, so politician concludes we must witch hunt the people who simply want to play it solitary. These people are then chased down and ridiculed and or has their adobe burned/destroyed by the witch hunt mob and may then be subject to abuse and ultimately death at the hands of their fellow man. It repeats until they come across an individual that is able to defend themselves with a small armament. The witch hunt proposes the police get involved and deploy a swat team to take down the individual.

Underground enthusiasts only play very rarely and when discovered may even be prone to commit suicide or flee their oppressors. It is then learned that many were useful members of society and some damaged is done to the local area for killing or forcing some of their taxpayers to leave. Shootings still happen and parents suspect their children's friends. At some point, it'll lead to the witch mob to killing children who probably were only playing simple cartoon violence that has no blood involved.

All the while, mass media portrays everything as a victory and that all the gamers died from suicide instead of cold blooded murder. They've started genocide and laud it, and people like Jack Thompson have killed more people in a few months than multiple school shootings ever had.

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You forgot the part where a prominent member of the political super-structure ends up being a closet-gamer.  -GASP!-

That's the plot twist, in case you were wondering.  ^^

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Re: Report: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games,

Ok so you ban media you do not like whats next ensuring the hardline fascist party takes over government for life?

You get one the other is not far to follow and neither is repression of public rights and war becuse once they "fix" their contry whos going to be "fixed" next?

 


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Even if you could prove, categorically beyond a reasonable doubt, that a given rampage killer like this guy only did what he did because "video games made me do it" that would be 1 out of what....30-50 million people worldwide?

That is called a statistically insignificant number.  So even taking your very big "IF" and giving it to the anti-game lobby....they still don't have a logical leg to stand upon

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Theoretically I wish all forms of "bad" media can be banned games movies, etc. I just would love to go to these parents, politicians and other "champions for the people." I'd have to ask so....where would you like to put the blame now? Are we FINALLY gonna start holding people accountable for their actions and the parents who fail to supervise their kids? No more violent games no more violent TV can't use that as an excuse anymore! 

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I know some people accuse me of being too broad with this opinion, but I am certain that a major Western government banning violent media is the beginning of the end.  Should a total ban like this happen in Germany, a precedent will be set that will spill over into the rest of the "free" world. 

UK already has tons of politicians and media types who are itching to ban violent games (and movies to a lesser extent).  All they need is another so-called Demorcacy to point to as an example and then, with the right amount of moral panic, institute a ban. 

The US, already with a strong anti-games presence on both the right and the left will be next.  The end for videogames is beginning.  Just you watch. 

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so they ban violent video games, soon, millions of gamers who had no violent tendencies start suffering withdrawal symptoms, then start rioting (probably on motorized couches and office chairs), suddenly the truth is revealed: lack of violent games causes violence!!!

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Zerodash plz stop it for the last time(conspircy theorys don't work, period)

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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It's not a conspiracy.  It's a chain reaction in the making.

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-licks fingers, snuffs out fuze-

Sorry, did I interrupt something?  ^^

So much for that "chain-reaction."

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Re: Report: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games,

@Sage,

If you are generally aligned with the WBC then you believe all gays and pretty much most people in this country should be killed, and you say you're against violence? Also, Jack Thompson has threatened the GP community before and not only that suggested we all be sentenced to death and also mocked gamers who have killed themselves and suggested that every other gamer should follow.

How do you expect anyone on here to take you seriously when you align yourself with people like that. Seriously you call us bad because we play violent games and then go and align yourself with people who wish REAL WORLD violence on others.

Re: Report: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games,

He's a confirmed troll, his name comes from 4chan.

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4chan was the first and last entity ever to use the term "sage," ever.

True story.

I agree that the guy's a troll but I'm sorry, that is the flimisest argument against anyone I have ever seen...
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Lern2Context.

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Re: Report: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video ...

It's pretty clear that you go there (and yea, sage has moved beyond trolling newfags, onto gaming news sites, eesh.), but saying l2context isn't exactly "elegant" =p

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You should use the reply button located under each comment.

But yeah... I didn't really know about Sage's background. I don't mind too much if somebody is religious or anything, and I try not to let that prevent me from listening to their opinions, but when you support something like the WBC, the gloves come off. I don't blame anybody for calling him an idiot. People who believe homosexuality is a sin instantly invalidate all of their opinions.

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Whoa whoa there.  I agree with you on Sage being a troll and all, but just because someone believes in one thing that you disapprove of doesn't invalidate ALL of their other opinions.

That's just cold.  ^^

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Re: Report: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video ...

Germany bans violent games and movies, then declares bankrupcy over the loss of money, in 3, 2, 1.

Re: Report: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q-6H4xOUrs

That's all I have to say about that.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

Yes, children can't know what dead bodies look like, because a child with no concept of death would certainly never kill anyone.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

Well think about this. They ban violent media...and violence goes down. You all act like violence will continue at the same rate, but have no proof of that at all.

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And yet I CAN provide evidence that shows that violence DID exist prior to interactive media, movies, even books.  For centuries if not thousands of years.  Can YOU prove that ONLY the existance of interactive media, movies, and even books CAUSED, not became another peripheral element that was added in addition to other existing peripheral elements (such as bigotry, hate, religion, revenge, passion, temperature, genetics, and many other factors), but CAUSED these acts of violence.  If not, then you have NO facts whatsoever to back up your claims and are, in fact, as so many other Anti-Freedom Of Speech individuals and organizations do, using false supposition, fear mongering, and smoke screens to justify banning those things which you personally, religiously, and/or politically oppose.

You've suggested others provide evidence otherwise their arguments are without value.  The same, in fact, applies to you.

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"Well think about this. They ban violent media...and violence goes down."

Eh?  Really?  Where are you getting that factoid from?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

Regarding the user "Sage"

Everyone, ignore this CONFIRMED troll.

1)"Sage" is what you type in the email field of 4chan when you want to show contempt for a post by taking up a slot in its limited number of "bumpable" replies, without actually bumping in back to the first page.

2)He claims to be sympathetic with the "godhatesfags" Westboro Baptist Church, the one who protest at the funerals of soldiers for so-called "religious" reasons.  "Thank God For IEDs!" has been on signs they wield before.

 

He's a troll. Ignore Sage

(it goes in every field)

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Sage is also a way to say "wise man", but obviously, he doesn´t looks like a smart person.

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

*sigh*

Maybe I need to get something to eat. My fingers keep jittering, and I keep hitting post comment twice.

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Yeah, sorry again. If I had known his background, I wouldn't have defended him.

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

And what is your proof that violence would go down?  Oh thats is right you have none.  What is the evidence that the current violence is caused by violent media? Oh right there is none.  Ergo if there is no evidence that violent media is the cause for current violence then logically speaking the violence will continue without the media.

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

Violence has been going down without bans to violent media, if you haven't noticed.

Could you at least try to sound genuine when you troll?

Dennis, please, i don't know how this person here could be any more blatently unneeded. Sure, he's not going off-topic, but he's clearly purposely drawing attention upon himself.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

Then perhaps you or Thompson can finally present us with irrefutable proof that an outright ban on games would cause violence to go down.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

Idiot. They haven´t banned anything yet. They haven´t proof anything yet.

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

So why is he an idiot? That seems to be what he's saying. Nothing has been banned, and nothing has been proved one way or the other.

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Because banning videogames is not to solve anything. Sage asked "what if", but you can´t ask for a ban just with a "what if". At least, not people who are really concerned with real life issues and not with people looking for the easiest scapegoat at hand.

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

Well, if Germany does go ahead and ban violent media, then I guess we can figure it out once and for all right?

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

So if they ban games and no more shootings happen, that proves the games were responsible? Suuuure. This little pebble I brought into my house and placed on my desk keeps tigers away. There have been no tigers, it's PROOF!

 

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

When you ban something, people will try to overlook that prohibition. USA got their Mafia in 1920´s, for example. If they ban violent videogames, that won´t stop any further school shooting, like death penalty can´t stop any kind of crime.

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Of course people will try to get around it, but not all people. Maybe those couple of people who WOULD have committed a school shooting never never got the idea or knowledge to do so via violent games. That saves the lives of so many people.

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"Maybe those couple of people who WOULD have committed a school shooting never never got the idea or knowledge to do so via violent games."

On the other hand, maybe violent folks play violent games in an attempt to find a safe outlet for their violent tendencies.  Maybe making violent games less accessible would INCREASE the violence.  You don't know what will be the result and neither do I, but neither of us should be making assumptions based on no evidence whatsoever.

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Yes, not all people, but still enough. When goverment bans something they don´t like, basically, THEY ARE OPENING A NEW MARKET.

When you ban racism or sexual discrimination, I understand, because those actions affect the rights of many people.

But there is not any reason to ban videogames just because people in power don´t like it.

And again, you don´t ban something because two sick persons open fire against people on a school. If the start to attack prostitutes with rocks, should be banning the Bible, too?

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

Banning anything will cause more problems than it will solve.

Prohibition for example. ALcohol was banned, so people went underground with it, and people began distilling illega liqour that was far more dangerous than the legal stuff.

 

Furthermore, banning games will not magically make school shootings or violence in general stop.

Say video games are banned, and a school, or any puiblic venue, is still shot up. What will be blamed then?

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

Do you honestly believe that someone who is psychologically damaged enough to commit a school shooting would not do so if they had never played a violent game?

The recent German shooter was said to have mental problems, was recently turned down and rejected by a girl and lived with a parent who had over a dozen firearms around the house. Now, if you are trying to put forward the theory that the only reason this guy did what he did was because of playing Far Cry or Cs, then you are seriously deluded.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

My dad has several guns and I was recently dumped...am I gonna be a serial killer too? I played Far Cry a month ago...Oh no, I need to hide myself from society before I hurt someone! (living in a house with responsible gun usage/safety would arguably make the kid less likely to use it for harm, and should have no effect on their mental state)

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

Damn, 2 double posts today. I have to cool it with that post comment button.

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MaskedPixelantehttp://www.joystiq.com/2014/07/28/gaymerx-in-dire-straits-after-nis-america-allegedly-backs-out-of/ NISA backs out of GaymerX support, but it seems like the only people crying foul are GaymerX.07/29/2014 - 6:30am
Papa MidnightIt's not bad so far, but I am honestly not sure what to make of it (or where it's going for that matter)07/28/2014 - 9:44pm
Matthew Wilsonis it any good?07/28/2014 - 9:36pm
 

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