Report: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

March 24, 2009 -

The fallout from this month's horrific school shooting in Germany continues with President Horst Koehler (left) backing a call to ban violent video games and movies, according to AFP.

The news service reports that Koehler made his comments on Saturday at a memorial service in Winnenden, where the rampage began. More than 7,500 people were in attendance, including families of some victims of the shooter, 17-year old Tim Kretschmer.

From Koehler's remarks:

All Germany mourns with you... Each child is born innocent, and when a child dies, it is hope and the future which dies too... [there should be restrictions on] the innumerable films and videogames of extreme violence, with their display of dead bodies...

Earlier, families of five victims had written to Koehler and Chancellor Angela Merkel, demanding that violent video games be banned and teens restricted from access to guns:

We want something to change in this community, and we want to help so that there can be no second Winnenden... We want killergames to be banned. Games, whether on the Internet or on the PC, in which the goal is to kill as many people as possible deserve to be forbidden. The same goes for all violent games which are, in their structure and presentation, very realistic and very bloody.

GP: Thanks to GamePolitics Forum mod Hannah for the translation of the remarks by the victims' families.

UPDATE: A German-speaking GP reader believes that Kohler's remarks do not go as far as to call for a ban on violent games, although the AFP report indicates otherwise. There is a lively discussion on this in the comments section - worth a read.


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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

Notice the placement of the quotation marks though.

"He said there should be restrictions on the spread of "the innumerable films and videogames of extreme violence, with their display of dead bodies," while individuals should be able to "say no to what they feel to be bad"".

And then look at ulix's translation:

"For example we've long known that countless films and videogames are dominated by extreme violence, the exhibition of destroyed bodies and the humiliation of human beings"

It looks like something was taken out of context.

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

I would like to somebody get te correct translation of the speech.

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

Okay, he did actually say something else on the topic.
But again, something nobody can disagree with. He continues (from the section tranlated above):

"Ich finde jedenfalls: Dieser Art von "Marktentwicklung" sollte Einhalt geboten werden. Eltern und Angehörige von Opfern haben mir gesagt: "Wir wollen, dass sich etwas ändert." Meine Damen und Herren, das will ich auch, das sollten wir alle wollen. Und da ist nicht nur der Staat gefordert.
Es ist auch eine Frage der Selbstachtung, welche Filme ich mir anschaue, welche Spiele ich spiele, welches Vorbild ich meinen Freunden, meinen Kindern und Mitmenschen gebe. Zur Selbstachtung gehört es, dass man "Nein" sagt zu Dingen, die man für schlecht hält - auch wenn sie nicht verboten sind."

Translation:

"My opinion is: this kind of "market development" should be curbed. Parents and relatives of the victims have told me: 'We want that some things are changed.' Ladies and gentlemen, that is what I want, too, everybody should want that. And there not the state is called for.
It is also a question of self-respect which films I watch, which games I play, which example I am to my friends, my children and my fellow men. Self-respect includes saying "No" t things that one consideres bad - even if they aren't banned."

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

Mistranslation, you say?

If that's the case, then I'll take back what I said about the German President and just him.

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

So what parts were translated incorrectly? Can you translate more of what he said? Another translation would really help.

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

His speech was quite long, but he touched on the topic of violent media only twice in it. Once in the section I translated above, once in the section below.

 

The part that I have a problem with in the translation above is the one in brackets: [...].
Its just not what he said, and probably not even what he meant. Its just something that was added by GP (or Hannah). Its what they thought he meant, but since he didn't say it...

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

All I did was translate the comments from the victims' families.  I am not a native German speaker and am merely a student of the language, so... if I made a mistake, I apologise.  I just hope I did a better job than google translator (Dennis's usual Plan B) would have done.

As for the Koehler quotes, I think Dennis was just referencing the AFP article, which said that he called "for curbs on the kind of violent video games believed to have influenced the teenage gunman" and that "he said there should be restrictions on the spread of 'the innumerable films and videogames of extreme violence, with their display of dead bodies.'"  The article also stated that "Koehler backed families of the victims who appealed in an open letter for tighter gun control laws and a ban on violent video games of the kind which Kretschmer regularly played."

So... thank you for pointing this out, but please don't blame Dennis.  He was merely repeating the speculations of others, and due to the language barrier, he was unable to check his sources as thoroughly as usual.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

What about the second translation at the top? The one that starts "We want something to change in this community". Is that accurate?

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

Mayor may not be accurate, doesn't matter.

Its from a letter from parents and relatives of the victims, not something the president said.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

So nowhere in his speach does he even advocate the restriction or ban of of violent games or movies? I still don't agree that either of those are even factors in what happened, but it does significantly change his message if what you say is true.

So what's up GP? What exactly is happening here?

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

"So nowhere in his speach does he even advocate the restriction or ban of of violent games or movies?"

Correct.

Look at the section I translated below. He actually says explicitely that not only (i forgot to translate this individual, but quite important word below) the state is called for in such a situation, but the individual citizens.
 

But even with my translation mistake, leaving out the "only", he doesn't directly call for a ban or anything, he is just saying that the state has a certain responsibility.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

-Axe hit's My head- so that's what he said

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

@Everyone, Because of the mess looking like a mirror image of the brandon crisp incident

#1: Germany is not OUR country to begin with, That's Stigma-videospele's area to take care of

#2:If they do ban Violent Video games (Those games will be pireted, turning Germany into a police state and the econ there will be very worse)

Finally: because of the wierdness and Out-of-control Situation That Pixelantes and Censorcrats have caused me grief(so much that it's time to get off GP for good)

@Dennis if you read this I have left GP for the same reasons above

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

Not sure what you're referring to, PHX.

Why don't you shoot me an e-mail?

 

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

For the record, not each child is born innocent. My twin brother almost got me killed during our birth.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

I say the industry get a head start on it.

Crytek leaves before soldiers in body armor bust down their doors, and every media producer stops shipping to Germany, period.

If the business isn't want it won't be there.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

I think there should be laws that ban violence against others. That should solve all these problems with people killing other people.

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

So is this a ban from adults buying them as well like Jack Thompson wants in America???

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

Nazi Germany wasn't created by actions.  The book burnings, holocaust, etc. were the culmination of a philosophy.  It seems the german people are so worried that swastikas and violence and other external issues will lead them down the same path that they are walking right down the same philosophical influences that allowed the Third Reich to arise in the first place.

Fear and the control of the population through fear.

------- Morality has always been in decline. As you get older, you notice it. When you were younger, you enjoyed it.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

Woo, a generation of spineless wussies bans something to create another generation of even more spineless wussies. These are the people responsible for "animal rights" and "trees have feelings", who hope that by blocking SIMULATED Violence they can prevent people from killing, being angry, or having generally unplesant thoughts. What their actually doing is creating a generation of soft, braindead, drones who only do what mommy and daddy say, never question the system, and will give up their rights so nobody's feelings get hurt.

I think if you ban violent games and movies, you should ban violent books, music, words, and thoughts. After that they can ban weapons, not just guns but anything that can be used to inflict bodily harm, and build a giant statue that farts rainbows. Then when someone beats his neighbor to death they will have nothing to blame but themselves.

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

Rapid farting of rainbow lights could lead to epileptic seizures in some people, causing people to feel bad. Having feelings shows human emotion, therefore, we must blame the statue!

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LOL! I want that statue here in Seattle!

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

Must...not...Godwin...

Problem: Violent shootings by teens

Solution(?): Ban violent video games

Problem: Violence still happens.  Game piracy goes through the roof.  Local video game retailers economy suffers greatly due to German residents taking a drive to local countries where they can buy the M rated games.  Local video game developer economy becomes nonexistent as companies like Crytek GTFO.

Solution: Ummmmmm...

Watch, they're going to go after the internet next and start blacklisting sites like China and Australia.  Who would have ever thought that this new age of fast, free information would lead to another great suppression of personal freedom and thought?

 

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

Everybody want to be China right now.

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

I had a severely outdated, incredibly racist, and utterly tasteless German joke (it does not include Hitler, well maybe), but for the life of me I just can't remember it.

At any rate, banning violent video games and movies is such a bone-headed decision made under the pressure of public outrage screaming "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!" I wonder if JT is taking notes? It's kinda easier to ban them there as Germany doesn't produce video games locally (if they did, I haven't heard anything about it), and most of the games come from the US and Japan. I doubt that there are pro-video game activists out there to oppose this publicly, as there are only a handful are coming out in the US.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

Jack has already asked to president Obama on a letter to ban every violent game. And now is fapping uncontrolably in front of his PC with this update on the Gemany circus.

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

Ewww, no touchie his keyboard

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

From a BBC article on the shooting news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7951821.stm:

A charge of manslaughter is being considered because the father allegedly left the murder weapon unlocked in his bedroom despite knowing his son was depressed.

"There are concrete signs that the parents knew of their son's health problems," prosecutors and local police said in a joint statement.

"Based on this, there is reason to suspect this may be a case of involuntary manslaughter."

So, the parents knew the kid was depressed.  And the parents left a gun unlocked in a place the kid could easily access.

And yet this is the fault of the video games?

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

Locking up the guns in safes = less people shot

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

In this specific case anyway.

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Nazi German President Backs Ban on "Violent" Video Games, Movies

Another Godwinned Thread caused by Neo-Nazi German politicans and the vultures calling themselves "journalists" mentally molesting grieving families with their bullshit.

It is truly pathetic that a country that wants nothing to do with its past wants to repeat history.

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Re: Nazi German President Backs Ban on "Violent" Video Games,

Whenever System of a Down gets off of their "sabatacal," those words will be used in one of their songs.  Count on it.

"HEY! LISTEN!"

"HEY! LISTEN!"

Re: Nazi German President Backs Ban on "Violent" Video Games,

Welcome to the Video Game Holocaust

Re: Nazi German President Backs Ban on "Violent" Video Games,

I'm pretty sure the Godwinning is caused by people instantly comparing Germans with nazis whenever they crack down on video games, not by the Germans themselves.


Re: Nazi German President Backs Ban on "Violent" Video Games,

The last time I checked, Germany is supposed to be a democracy, not a wannabe dictatorship.

Agreed with gamadaya. When they quit the knee-jerk reactions and act like adults, then the comparsions to Nazis will cease.

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Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Nazi German President Backs Ban on "Violent" Video ...

The reason people keep comparing Germans to Nazis is because they won't stop acting like Nazis. Once the German populuce decides to grow up and start acting like rational adults, then maybe the comparisons will stop.

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Re: Nazi German President Backs Ban on "Violent" Video ...

Agreed. Nazis burned offensive books, the new government wants to burn offensive video games.

Offensive to the government, that is.

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

All killers ate food before their shooting, it's a well known fact. We should ban food.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

Nevermind what the killers did before the shooting. I've been informed by some very reliable sources that they were inhaling air during the entirety of the shooting. Some sources even went on to say that it appeared they were reliant on air to get through day to day activities, even long before the shooting took place. Obviously it's air that's fueling these killers.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, Movies

No it's common knowledge that all these idiots have eaten before making these stupid assumptions, THEY should be banned from eating. Obviously their unque brain chemistry has mixed with the food in a dangerous way, the only way to counteract it is for them to starve.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

''Games, whether on the Internet or on the PC, in which the goal is to kill as many people as possible deserve to be forbidden. ''

a) says who?

b) its a good thing that the majority of games , even violent games, dont have a goal to 'kill as many people as possible' then isnt it.

What was it the killer 'trained' on? Far cry 2? well thats a story driven fps, so that wouldnt be forbidden. Wow.. then even if your 'causal links' existed, the thing still would have happened. Great logic.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

crap. *insert backpedling now*

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

Is there actually any evidence that the guy liked violent games or movies? 

Surely tighter gun control laws are needed and people like his father should be more careful about locking up there firearms.

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

If I snapped and went on a rampage, I'd look sooo incredibly bad. 14 M-rated 360 games, and 8 T 360 games, a few Wii/GCN M/T games, and hardly any E games at all. God forbid they look at my computer hardrive...my lord would that be awful.

 

But none of that has made me any more or less inclined to be a killer, but has been used to reduce stress and make it through another day without snapping. I've contemplated suicide before, and though my dad's gun cabinet is always locked, I could easily gain access to it, as could any average teen. And if not that, we have a whole rack full of pills in the kitchen pantry, and if not that, I don't think hanging would be too bad as long as I do it lightly (so that I pass out without any jerks/struggling). Point is, killing/death can still happen, guns or not. Oh yeah, back to suicide. With a bottle of pills in my hand (which, in hindsight, probably would've just put me in the hospital), I looked over and saw RE4 sitting there, and remembered that I was in chapter 6-1, and still needed to beat the game for the first time, so I did that and felt much better about myself =)

If the kid would've had the help he pleaded for, the situation would've likely been avoided. Also, had the father taught better gun safety while the son was growing up, perhaps the kid might've been less inclined to snapping. If the kid didn't have a gun, he could've killed just as many people using other methods (fire- or explosion- based, etc), so why don't we just tighten laws concerning all household items? Oh dear, cars can also be used to kill people, we should just ban those too. Let's just ban everything! Because any kid that snaps could use it to hurt somebody! Totally not unreasonable at all!

 

On another note, if teachers were allowed to carry firearms, almost ALL major shootings would've probably had a quicker conclusion. And also that college kids should be able to have guns in at least their dorms (or allow the college to decide). A person that snaps can get a gun no matter what anyways, so not allowing law-abiders to have easy access to them is just putting them in danger. I know a few "people," and could easily obtain a gun illegally for only a few hundred dollars, no matter how tight the gun laws are.

 

I've tried hard to not snap at the stupidity of your last sentence, and I think I did a pretty good job at staying level-headed.

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

"Surely tighter gun control laws are needed"

No they are not, if the kid was so determined he would've gotten a gun anyway.

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

There were violent video games found in his apartment.  That's all the proof these types of people need.

 

Then again, chairs were found in the apartment.  And I bet there were chairs in the apartments of the Columbine/VTech/Alabama shooters.  Causal link!  Ban chairs!

Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

Out of curiousity, when games are banned and people still kill each other what do you wonder they will blame?

 

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

That's easy. They'll crack down harder on movies. And when that doesn't work, they'll go after music, and after that I'm guessing they'll start blocking certain websites from German citizens (do they actually do this already?). And maybe I shouldn't say "when that doesn't work". It's working exactly how they want it to. They know full well that it's not actually going to cut down on violence. Hell, even tighter gun control probably wouldn't in this case. The fact is that these violent incidents are providing them with the opportunities they need to push their agendas. But at least the German people have such a strong reputation when it comes to thinking for themselves and standing up to their government when it starts to get a little crazy.

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

 And Books in fact maybe they could gather all the books, games, movies, music, up that they don't agree with or have to much violence in them and do something with them maybe say a large bon fire ... and then we could convince the kids that this is good for them and have them throw the horrible items on to said bon fire while the government holds a parade around said bon fire.  Yes yes excellent.

 

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Re: German President Backs Ban on Violent Video Games, ...

I seriously doubt they'll go after books. Books are old. Old, bitter politicians tend to go after new things. But if they actually do start banning books (regular ones, not Nazi paraphernalia), then I don't think all of these Nazi accusations will fall under Godwins law anymore.

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