16-Year Old GTA IV Gamer Charged with Grisly S&M Murder of NYC Newsman

March 25, 2009 -

A 16-year old New York youth has confessed to the stabbing murder of a veteran New York City radio newscaster, according to a report in the New York Daily News.

The suspect is an avid video gamer who lists Rockstar's controversial Grand Theft Auto IV as his favorite title.

The NYPD has charged John Katehis (left) with repeatedly stabbing George Weber, 47, last Friday. The pair met after Weber posted a Craigslist ad offering to pay for violent sex. Katehis was to earn $60 for the sleazy encounter at which alcohol and cocaine were reportedly used. Weber, apparently as part of his sado-masochistic fantasy, supplied the knife with which Katehis eventually killed him.

That's not to say that Katehis was a stranger to edged weapons. The New York Daily News, which refers to Katehis as "emotionally disturbed," displays a picture of the teen posing with his exotic knife and sword collection.

Gawker has posted Katehis's MySpace profile, in which says the suspect wrotes:

I enjoy long conversations, drinking, bike riding, hanging out, roof hopping, hanging off trains, any type of Parkour exercise. Extreme violence (chaos, anarchy, etc.) Video Games, Violent Movies and listening to my ipod...

 

I like to do crazy and wild things. I am like an adrenaline junkie. I'm a big risk taker and like to live life on the edge...

The MySpace profile references an account on ibeatyou.com. At that site, Katehis lists Grand Theft Auto IV as the "Hottest PS3 or Xbox 360 Game You've Ever Played" and includes a picture of himself holding a copy of the PlayStation 3 version. Katehis holds up Far Cry 2 in a separate photo.

Additional coverage: Gawker

GP: There are just so many dysfunctional pieces to this story, but video games will certainly be blamed in some quarters.


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Re: 16-Year Old GTA IV Gamer Charged with Grisly S&M Murder ...

 

check this out about the kid

 

http://manhattankids.blogspot.com/2009/03/john-katehis-16-kills-george-weber-47.html

 

also the kid was a known prankster. i saw his myspace and from what i read he was known to do phone call pranks as well.

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From I what I get out of this, this kid has serious issues that were being ignored by his family. This is just sad.

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This is one situation that I actually believe games can be blamed, because let's face it: giving as disturbed an individual as this any access to violent media isn't much different than giving a flamethrower to a pyromaniac.

Honestly, your average Shakespeare play or opera could have given this kid ideas about new exciting ways to rack up a kill count. Frankly he shouldn't have had access to anything with violence in it. But mostly it's the parents' fault for not being involved, apparently at all, with their child's life.

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See that's the problem, CAN be blamed. They haven't been blamed yet. Why is GamePolitics so intent on rallying up the masses so early, before anyone puts any blame? For all we know, this whole ordeal can go by without anyone putting a single blame on a video games. I really think people are going to blame the cocaine, the fact that the radio caster was looking for violent sex, and maybe for the unsteady mental condition that the killer has.

I think, the reasons that violent video games are blamed are because [the masses, newscasters, politicians] cannot 100% blame it on [the killer's] mental condition. Here, I think we see no question (Honestly, I see no question with the German school shooting, but other people don't). If there some debate about the violent video game, it’ll come and go VERY quickly.

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"See that's the problem, CAN be blamed. They haven't been blamed yet. Why is GamePolitics so intent on rallying up the masses so early, before anyone puts any blame?"

I think we mostly get ourselves riled up, I don't think the media would even bother with the video game and element and if they did I think it would be a combination S&M and video game blamefest (I personally don't think either are responsible) along the lines of 'the man wanted him to do violent things to him and this kid being a violent game player ...'

But there were some crimes that I thought would never get the seal of video game blame by anyone but the looney and those ended up being blamed on games.

An incident involving a cab driver being stabbed to death comes to mind. Even Atkinson brought it up. 

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because let's face it: giving as disturbed an individual as this any access to violent media isn't much different than giving a flamethrower to a pyromaniac.

apart from there is a causal link between the flamethrower and soebody being killed by it (the fire burnse them to death).

There is no causal link between the video game and their death. (i.e. its not like the video game case was used as a physical weapon).

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Oh, I completely agree. I'm just pointing out how someone so messed up doesn't need much to push them over the edge. It can come from anywhere and with this kid, something would have done it eventually. I don't think it was the games - notice I said can be, not are - but there were a whole lot of things that led to this event. None of them were good.

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if a whole lot of things swam though his imagination as he stabbed the guy, games he played, songs he heard, movies he saw, books he read, imagining strangling that annoying guy in his class. He probably recalled them all fondly while doing it, or afterward.

Like I said before, exposure to anything violent, or that could be construed as violent, was probably a BAD thing for him.

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I think the link to video games is too weak to say that the media is going to blame violent video games. I think you guys are too eager to pick up your pitch forks and start the hate. The article here (on GamePolitics.com) makes a stronger connection to violent video games than the NY Daily News/Gawker ones.

I guess that's the problem with having a blog dedicated to video game news; your bond to get some biased reporting.

Here's the only mention of video games in the article that GamePolitics points out:

On his site, Katehis called himself "Extremist, an Anarchist, a Sadomasochist" and said he enjoys "long conversations, drinking, bike riding, hanging out."

The teen also listed more reckless hobbies like "roof hopping, hanging off trains" and violent video games.

"I am a very easy person to talk to," he wrote. "I like to do crazy and wild things ... I'm always looking for a big thrill.

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The article really portrays this kid as emotionally/ mentally disturbed, even describing him as such in the photo caption.

I'm actually going to applaud this article for being one of the non-biased articles [in terms of connecting the crime to violent video games] I've seen.

To repeat myself: the article has no claims to GTA IV or Far Cry 2. GamePolitics is making this connection themselves.

Now here's the counter argument…because I'm sure someone is going to say it.

Why even mention violent video games?

Sure they list violent video games as a 'reckless hobby' but they aren't blaming it for the crime. I really think the writer included that to show that this kid was always looking for a thrill (See the quote) and that he wasn't satisfied with a 'monotonous' life.

Convince me otherwise, GP.

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Re: 16-Year Old GTA IV Gamer Charged with Grisly S&M Murder of

This is by far the oddest criminal case that GTA might be dragged into as being an 'influence'.

S&M, cocaine, booze, minors, knife.

If that kid plays enough GTA he should know that the baseball bat is a more effective weapon.

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Re: 16-Year Old GTA IV Gamer Charged with Grisly S&M Murder ...

@ Chaplain

Take away the video games and the kid probably still would have done what he did, take away the disturbed mental state, cocaine, alcohol, fetish, easy access to weapons, and negligent parents, or even just one or two of the above and this would not have happened. I have to say I'm relieved that this kid killed a pedophile instead of some innocent bystander with his state of mind or worse became the next school shooter. Given this kid's state of mind, it's a miracle that this situation isn't more tragic. Of course I'm also sure the media will fail to mention that the so called victim was a pedophile.

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Might wanna learn the definition of paedophilia...The kid is clearly post-pubescent, and to put a straight line on the age 18 is illogical at best at determininng if someone is a paedo or not. He killed an S&M lover that happened to be old. The kid was fully grown as far as this is concerned, and I see no evidence that the victim was a paedo or even had a sexual preference for under-18s. A preference for younger guys could simply be a sign of ephebophilia, which is mid-to-late adolescents, and that is quite normal in adults anyways. Ever heard of jailbait? Well, I think that when I'm 40, I'll still find 16-24 year olds extremely attractive, and this victim was just "lucky" enough to find someone around the age that he wanted.

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Re: 16-Year Old GTA IV Gamer Charged with Grisly S&M Murder ...

Your right Dennis. Video games will be blammed in some way. It's not fair but it is a fact.

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Oh wow, there is so much wrong with this story I don't even know where to begin but I'll try. First off a little message to Jack and anyone else who agrees with him(you too Sage). First off you are a sick disgusting person if you try to use this story to push your agenda. Video games had nothing to do with this whatsoever. This kid was unstable, disturbed, and was a substance abuser. If you think video games had more to do with it then that, then piss off and go jump in the lake because your a disgrace to humanity. If the mainstream media picks up on this and tries to point the finger at video games, I'm very well considering starting a letter writing campaign to major news outlets asking them to stop this. This was a mentally unstable and disturbed person who was abusing drugs and alcohol and had easy access to weapons. First off where were the parents? If he was diagnosed as mentally unstable, why did they allow him to keep all those weapons? Also why didn't they try to get him help? And why did they continue to let him to drink and use cocaine? You can easily tell if someone is high on coke. If anything this is a case of a mentally disturbed person who had negligent parents who failed to get him help and oh yeah had a drug problem too. I can't even see how you can bring video games into this at all.

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Uh...uh...

-starts fidgeting-

See, that's the thing...video games most likely DID have something to do with it, albeit a very small part of it.  Same as with the coke, the alcohol, the fetish, the disturbed mental condition, the negligent parents, and the metal music.  It's like a recipe for a time bomb, only this one goes off inside the head of a teen instead of on the battlefield or wherehaveyou.

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Firstly, GTA IV is not marketed towards 16 year-olds.  The game is an adult title, and in my view, if a kid has issues with violence, feeding him violent media cannot help.  The parents ought to be a bit more responsible.

Not that violent media is to blame.  I think violent media is completely harmless unless a person already has issues with violence.  I'm just saying that if there's a propensity towards violence, feeding it violent imagery is not exactly smart.

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And family guy isn't marketed to 14 year olds.

 

Of course it is. It works the same way as the tobacco agencies or any other company. These corporations, ALL OF THEM, are heartless machines bent on making money.

Does that mean it's wrong to enjoy their product? No. Should we kid ourselves about their agenda-to move more product? No, it does not. Their concern for ratings is just to get more sales, and we should recognize this and act accordingly.

His parents are likely permissive cokeheads..

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"like to live life on the edge."  People actually say that still?  Does he also say shit like "I am soo extreme, dude!"

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Maybe the headline should read, "Child Gamer Takes Sick Pedophile Off The Street."

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Re: 16-Year Old GTA IV Gamer Charged with Grisly S&M Murder ...

Well rockstar is clearly to blame for this... we should ban all games immediatly just because of this case that clearly shows that any minute now, millions of these little children that play these games will start murdering people left and right unless we take away their murder simulators... yep any minute now... or now... or now... well I am sure it will happens some time I mean it has to right?

 

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Re: 16-Year Old GTA IV Gamer Charged with Grisly S&M Murder ...

Before blaming the video games, we must ask ourselves where this kid learned these things. As I haven't played any of rockstar's games-I find that degree and type of violence excessive and silly-I can't say for certain it didn't come from them.

Why was this kid not monitored by his parents? It takes more than a year to get to the kind of place where he could think this was alright. It takes more than a year to gather up the neccasary stupidity to go into an old man's house when the man promises cocaine and abusive sex.

This points to a larger problem in society, a number of them actually.

1.Why did this child have no supervision?

2.Why didn't the schools, who had him for presumably 40 hours a week, intervene?

3.What in the world made it okay in his head for him to go to a 47 year old man's house as a prostitute?

 

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I look at sick shit on the internet, lol. My parents know that, as a teenage boy, I'm going to look at porn once in awhile, so they don't really care (or want to know) what I look at late at night. For all they know, I could be looking at weird S&M stuff, and I could go onto Craigslist and put myself out there. I could easily drive to some random person's house without my parents knowing. It's not a lack of supervision, it's a sense of not being able to monitor me every second of every day, and trusting that I won't put myself in situations that common sense says I shouldn't.

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Cue Jack Thompson in 3.....2.....1....

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As much as I wish that would work, I know it won't. We've done that... IDK how many times, without success. If we happen to succeed, I hope he doesn't get banned, as his antics amuse me to the point of laughter.

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Re: 16-Year Old GTA IV Gamer Charged with Grisly S&M Murder of

Read above.

Re: 16-Year Old GTA IV Gamer Charged with Grisly S&M Murder ...

Video games, murder and deviant gay sex?

Jack Thompson must be giddy right now.

Re: 16-Year Old GTA IV Gamer Charged with Grisly S&M Murder of

Parkour made him do it. Obviously. Parkour is turning our children into anarchists. When will the horror stop?

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Lol.  Because the kid kong-vaulted over the fence, pk'd toward the guy on all fours, wall-ran over the guy, and stabbed him from behind.

...yeah, I parkour.  What of it?  ^^

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Right and I bet the guy who murdered Chandra Levy was a gamer also, right??

Re: 16-Year Old GTA IV Gamer Charged with Grisly S&M Murder ...

From the looks of it they're ignoring the videogame issue(it only got a small mention)

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: 16-Year Old GTA IV Gamer Charged with Grisly S&M Murder ...

You're assuming that's going to stop JT and other asshats from blaming it either way?

It's just really a hope of a clear disclosure that he's a crazy bloodthirsty bastard first, instead of a violent video game junkie in the media.

At least in that manner, any other announcements (outside the net) would be disproven on the spot.

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Clearly causation and correlation must go hand in hand, don't be silly.

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I'm confused as to what causation and correlation has to do with a kid killing an adult in what appears to be cold blood.  And don't say it was the video games, for the love of GOD.

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After reading the articles linked to, I'm left with two questions:

1) Where the hell are his parents/family? The obscene number of katanas and knives he has makes me wonder if he bought/stole them on his own or if his parents purchased them for him.

2) Who diagnosed him as emotional unstable?  Was it a psychologist or was it just the reporter making their own judgment? 

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Re: 16-Year Old GTA IV Gamer Charged with Grisly S&M Murder ...

Outwardly there's really nothing too strange about collecting swords and knives. They're viewed as just another collectible by some people, like figurines or books.

Hell, if I had the money, I'd collect them. Some of them are damn cool.

But I do agree that if your kid has that many issues you probably shouldn't buy him long pointy things.

Re: 16-Year Old GTA IV Gamer Charged with Grisly S&M Murder ...

My friend has a few swords, and his dad has several of his own hanging in the living room/computer room. I have one of my own (though not on display anymore) and plan on paying a set soon to put up on display. My dad knows that I like swords and knows that I'm not going to take them outside of the house, so he doesn't mind me having them and doesn't mind buying them for me either.

But, everyone has their own opinions on culture and child-raising, so to each his/her own.

I didn't look at the article, so I'm not sure how many swords this kid had, but I'll say that my friend has 6 of his own and his dad has 4 or 5 on display plus several in his attic. And none of them are killers.

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1)the article dosen't know

2) the kid claimed it himself

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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The kid in the picture is way too insane, i think for the wild stuff just have him put away for good(this article angers me far worse than JT spouting his BS)

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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they didnt blame video games?!

what the hell?

 

 

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Fuck. Well, the shit is about to hit the fan. We've got GTA IV, the media's favorite whipping boy, and Far Cry 2, Germany's most hated game. This couldn't get any worse unless the kid had litterally said "the videogames made me do it".

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In a way, I think he has.  By making a point of GTA IV being a favorite game of his, he's thrown the media a line into his personal life.  He's basically saying "Hey, I've washed my hands of this.  GTA IV and the coke, man...those made me do it."

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So anyone want to take bets on seeing Jack trying to get in the headlines somewhere about this murder? 

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He's already looking into it.

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That's not a surprise since he places a kid playing a violent video game as being worse than that same kid having been verbally, mentally, physically, and nearly sexually abused.  See the Cody Posey case in all its disgusting totality.  And that's just one of many, obscene, perverse, dishonorable, unethical, immoral, corrupt things the Traitor John Bruce is guilty of.  And that's why people look down on those who hold such an individual in high regard, in part or whole.

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Given that you say you have contact with him, why don't you let him know how you believe that this murder is in no way connected with GTA? Or is it ok in your opinion for him to misrepresent (ie. flat out lie) to a politician to further his agenda?

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Ugh, we already know what that means...

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Given that it involves gay sex and the internet, I'm sure he is...

 

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"He's already twisting the facts to support his twisted agenda"

Fixed that for you.  Jack's most common, and also most laughable, weapon in his aresenal is pointing out correlation without backing it up.  He says "X" person played "Y" game.  But just stating that he has a "Y" game doesn't prove that it made "X" person kill.  It is really as relevant as pointing out that nearly all murderers wear shoes.

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He shouldn't have to twist any facts in this case. He might, but there's no need to. All he has to do this time is confuse cause and effect.

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WonderkarpI would like a new gamecube controller....but I also just like gaming swag....11/22/2014 - 8:32pm
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