BREAKING: Utah Governor Vetoes Video Game/Movie Bill

Jack Thompson e-mailed GamePolitics a few minutes ago to say that Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman (R) has vetoed HB 353, the video game/movie bill passed overwhelmingly by the Utah House and Senate.

We’ve also confirmed this with another source in Utah.

According to Thompson, backers of the bill plan to seek an override of the Guv’s veto.

We’re hearing (not from Thompson) that the word on the street is that retailers lobbied the Guv energetically.

GP: Color me surprised. I did not think that Huntsman would buck the legislature on this one.

UPDATE: Saintless has Gov. Huntsman’s explanation of his veto:

After careful consideration and study, I have decided to veto HB 353…

While protecting children from inappropriate materials is a laudable goal, the language of this bill is so broad that it likely will be struck down by the courts as an unconstitutional violation of the Dormant Commerce Clause and/or the First Amendment.

The industries most affected by this new requirement indicated that rather than risk being held liable under this bill, they would likely choose to no longer issue age appropriate labels on goods and services.

 

Therefore, the unintended consequence of the bill would be that parents and children would have no labels to guide them in determining the age appropriateness of the goods or service, thereby increasing children’s potential exposure to something they or their parents would have otherwise determined was inappropriate under the voluntary labeling system now being recognized and embraced by a significant majority of vendors.

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136 comments

  1. vellocet says:

    It think he’s lost so many times it’s better to ask how many times he’s won…

    I think that number is 0.  He must’ve been an amazing lawyer.

  2. 1AgainstTheWorld says:

    So, like "Joysticks", then.  Crappy 80’s comedy about a local politician trying to close down the video arcade.  It features Joe Don Baker (Mitchell!)

  3. Chuma says:

    I disagree.  I think it would be wrong of us NOT to praise him because he is Republican rather than it being in any way construde as a U-turn.  We are on opposing sides of a political divide, united with our love of gaming.  There are going to be many disagreements and frankly I don’t see gaming as a big issue when ti comes to voting, no matter which side of the Atlantic we are on.  However one thing remains true; when people do something, however unexpected, that is common sense and well thought out, they deserve praise.

  4. Stealthguy says:

    Sorry, but he’s ours and you can’t have any…

     

    Well, maybe just a few braincells, that should get the ball rolling for you.

  5. Zerodash says:

    This is going to get really ugly, really fast.  Now, the state of Utah will see what other state’s politicians learned- Jack Thompson is a mean psycho.

     

    Oh, and add this guy to the conspiracy list.

  6. JDKJ says:

    No good deed goes unpunished. At this very moment, Gargoyle Ruzicka’s activating her phone and email trees. By midday tomorrow, the poor Guv’s switchboard will be tied up and his Inbox will be full and overflowing.

  7. Tavin says:

    Congratulations to Gov. Huntsman for actually thinking through the ramifications of passing this bill, rather than just the ramifications to his political career.  He made a bold and wise judgment call on this one and think he should be aplauded (and I do NOT say that often about ANY politician let alone a Republican one, lol!)…

    Tavin.

  8. Vake Xeacons says:

    HALLELUAH!! This guy’s smarter than he looks!! Kudos, Gov. Huntsman! I promise you, you will NOT regret this!

    THANK YOU!

  9. Conejo says:

    I’m glad he’s seen the idiocy behind the act.  Keeping kids safe is great, being stupid about it is bad.

    Here are we — and yonder yawns the universe.

  10. Yuuri says:

    It wasn’t just the ESRB, it was also the MPAA. Their ratings are also voluntary, and would of fallen under this ‘law’ as well.

  11. asmodai says:

    Tis truly a rare breed of politician…

    One who listens to advice, weighs a situation to see whether or not the end justifies the means (and whether than end can even be achieved), considers other factors (such as almost certain overturns from the judicial system) and makes the correct choice based on evidence rather than personal feelings.

    We in Australia would like to borrow Gov. Huntsman for a bit, possibly to fill the role of the Attorney General of South Australia (R18+ game ratings) or Communications Minister (ISP mandatory censorship).  A bit of evidenced based decision making from politicians rather than emotive clap trap is desparately needed.

  12. tony selby says:

    Color me surprised, a governer that makes decisions with the brain instead of on what looks good on paper when reelections come around.  maybe the voters in Utah aren’t completely moronic

  13. Shoehorn Oplenty says:

    Excellent news 🙂 Why can’t Thompson and his cronies in the Eagle forum see that this botched attempt at legislation would have the opposite effect to that which they desire. The Governor rightly saw that it would be unconstitutional, and as we have been saying again, and again, and again, would lead to retailers abandoning any attempts to enforce ESRB ratings as store policy.

    You know that a law is stupid when it punishes those who try, and ignores those who don’t bother.

  14. Papa Midnight says:

    "The industries most affected by this new requirement indicated that rather than risk being held liable under this bill, they would likely choose to no longer issue age appropriate labels on goods and services. "

    The ESA showed some intestinal fortitude? Wow!

    But then again, it makes a point: ALL of these laws are based around the ESRB rating system. You kill that system, the bill is rendered moot.

    —-
    Papa Midnight
    http://www.thesupersoldiers.com

  15. PHX Corp says:

    how many times jt has lost so far(just asking)

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

  16. Azhrarn says:

    are you kidding? 

    I feel sorry for the govs fax-machine already.
    He’s going to get spammed and you know it.
    JT generally takes his losses very badly, especially when he’s that close.

     

     

  17. Cerabret100 says:

    Wow, considering even the gamers expected it to pass (issues on why it didn’t do shit not withstanding)  this is quite a shock.

  18. Avalongod says:

    Yes it is very nice to see some common sense among our political leaders.  No, it’s not the end of the story on this bill, but perhaps the governor’s words would help others to see reason.  This was a dumb bill from any perspective…even if one believes that violent media is harmful, a bill that would lead to LESS use of voluntary labels makes little sense (I suspect it was a backhanded way to try to force mandated, state-controlled labels).

    Perhaps continued advocacy and getting the word about the "real state" of the scientific evidence rather than the advocacy nonsense has been effective.

     

  19. hellfire7885 says:

    Wow, glad he was able to see the same problems we were seeing.

    Seems to be he also saw the part that the one who drafted this bill was hoping to exploit.

     

    Thompson just reminds me of an 80s movie villain. Trying hard as hell to outlaw something the younger generation finds fun, and failing time and time again.

    I guess it;’s like Footloose but with video games.


  20. Monte says:

    though grant it, he does get things slightly wrong… pople within the industry said that retailers might choose not to enforce the ratings. Not that they would likely do it, and that they would get rid of the ratings completly… he’s still correct, but it’s a bit of an exaggeration of what would happen. It is afeterall true that a number of retailers would rather risk some bad PR than to actually become liable for what they do not have absolute control over; retailers don’t have ability to micro manage and watch everything their employees do

  21. GoodRobotUs says:

    Thing is, the Gov. was in a difficult position, no matter what he chose to do with this Bill, he would have been accused of being influenced by one side or the other, he’s either under the thumb of the Video Game industry, or under the thumb of the Eagle Forum.

    The thing is though, the gaming Industry didn’t force his hand, it was pressure from the Eagle Forum et al that led to the creation of this law, and the retailers responded to that attack, so this looks more to me of a case of refusing to buckle to the Eagle Forums’ demand than buckling to the Retailers’ defence of it.

    My congrats to the Gov. for looking at the law from a point of view outside the Thompson-generated rumour-mill.

  22. Liz Surette says:

    I honestly thought this could go either way. I never thought Huntsman was such a bad guy. It’s amusing to step back and see that all the people who were bashing him and thinking he’d pass it just because he’s Republican are now singing his praises.

    http://www.gameslaw.net

  23. NovaBlack says:

    AHAHAAHAHAHAAAHH @ JT.

    Thats all i have to say seriously.

    The guy is an utter failure.

    After reading the goeverners leter, his reasons for vetoing are exactly what we have been saying. Shame Thompson is too much of an idiont, and to arrogant to actually listen to anybody.

    Well done JT. you have struck a massive blow to ‘the industry’ and their ‘conspiricy to deal pornography to minors’. Well done indeed. You have us gamers right where you want us now dont you , y’know, with your disgraced ex-profession, and growing collection failed legislation. I mean you must have a hefty paperweight collection now. Nice one. good for you.

  24. lizardinmycoffee says:

    I highly enjoyed his well thought out (albeit short) response! Maybe with that thinking in mind, some of the people in the State Senate will change their minds! More to the point, hopefully that enough change their minds to fall below the 2/3 veto overturn requirement

    Thanks for posting it!

  25. hellfire7885 says:

    Thompson loses, AGAIN, extra empahsis on AGAIN.

    Though agreed, he and his "friends" will fight like hell to push their personal beliefs on us.


  26. Wimblesaurus says:

    I must admit.  I’m shocked my own self.  Logic won…  In Utah, of all places.

    No, Luke, I AM the Walrus

  27. 1AgainstTheWorld says:

    Come on Dennis, why not let Johnny Brucie back on the site so he can share his feelings?  I’m dying to hear how this is All Part Of The Plan, straight from the horse’s ass’s mouth.

  28. ezbiker555 says:

    My faith in people has been restored. Jack Thompson, I think I saw you at a restruant somewhere in West Virginia. Stay away from me, thank you.

    Oh and

    VICTTORYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! 😀

  29. Deamian says:

    -Walks up to an old stereo, puts a magnetic tape cassette in and plays… "We are the Champion." Picks up the radio, and wavers it triumphly at Jack’s face.-

    Ahhh the sweet joys and sounds of justice. Don’t you like it Jack?

  30. Arell says:

    I am surprised.  I was expecting the next round would be a court battle.

    Which we may still get.  Goverment 101: Vetoed bills go back to the Legislator to be voted upon again, and if they can muster a 2/3rds majority, it passes without the Governor’s signature.

    Considering the lovely people back at the Senate and House passed this piece of trash overwhelmingly in the first place, there’s a good chance they’ll go ahead and vote it into law.  So, just a minor detour before we get to the court battles.

  31. LuNaTiC says:

    HOLY CRAP!!  At least someone in politics had enough sense to realize this bill would do more harm than good.  Utah just won some cool points.    There still in the negative, but who isn’t?

     

    We are all going to die someday. The trick is not to rush it.

  32. rma2110 says:

    Maybe any gamers in Utah should thank the governer in a fax or e-mail? I’m thinking that after the people from the Eagle Forum are done clogging up the governer’s fax and e-mail, a few "thank you"’s would be nice.

    I never though I’d have a nice thing to say about the MPAA.

  33. Ryno says:

    You’ve really got to hand it to Jack. He’s so driven to get his name in the news he’ll proudly, and quickly, proclaim when even his own 100% bulletproof bill gets shot down in flames.

    That’s one twisted individual (like that’s a surprise to anyone here).

  34. Brainswarm says:

    Like anyone would bet against you on that.  Certainly not at 1:1 odds.  1:100,000, maybe.

  35. BearDogg-X says:

    If he hasn’t already.

    Then again, he’d be whining about an already very popular governor that currently has an 84% job approval rating.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


    Proud supporter of the New Orleans Saints, LSU, 1st Amendment; Real American; Hound of Justice; Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always

    Saints(3-4), LSU(7-0)

  36. Adam says:

    $5 says that Jack Thompson eventually calls for the impeachment of Jon Huntsman for no other reason than he went agains him

  37. Firebird says:

    Instead of writing game-related exclamory remarks at random, let people place it here…

    OK? I’ll start….

     

    PWNED!!!!

  38. TBoneTony says:

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

     

    EXPECT THE HEADS OF JACK THOMPSON AND THE EAGLE FORUM TO EXPLODE IN 15 MINUTES….

  39. BearDogg-X says:

    Like I said, I thought it was just as likely that Huntsman would veto it, because of his potential Presidential bid. He wants to be seen as a maverick like John McCain was, and vetoing this bill was a maverick move.

    To the best of my knowledge, Huntsman becomes the first governor to veto video game legislation of any kind.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


    Proud supporter of the New Orleans Saints, LSU, 1st Amendment; Real American; Hound of Justice; Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always

    Saints(3-4), LSU(7-0)

  40. CyberSkull says:

    I was honestly not expecting such an apparently well reasoned veto, let alone any veto. 

  41. gamadaya says:

    Wait, did reason just work? No. Fucking. Way.

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    Believe in something! Even if it’s wrong, believe in it! -Glenn Beck

  42. MaskedPixelante says:

    Nothing has failed this epically since the Detroit Lions went 0-16, or America’s decision to switch over to cheaper Chinese made condoms.

    —You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

  43. 1AgainstTheWorld says:

    Well then I will give one to Jack.  He could probably use a little pick-me-up right about now.

  44. DarkSaber says:

    You are awarded 3 internets for that Conkers Bad Fur Day reference!

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    I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

  45. 1AgainstTheWorld says:

    "Hey!  I’m over here, ya greedy bastard!"

    "C’mon, pick me up, sh*thead!"

    (Can’t help it, that’s the first thing that popped to mind when I saw those commercials. 🙂

  46. sortableturnip says:

    UTAH: What’s that?

    GAMERS:  That’s the money you could have saved by not listening to Jack Thompson…

    *cue music*

  47. LegendaryGamer00 says:

    1$ Million Dollars isn’t as much as it used to be.

     

    TRY 100$ BILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!

     

     

     

     

    "Video Games Rule, Jack Thompson Drools"

  48. Mysticgamer says:

    Oh no, at that price Bill Gates or Steve Jobs would have to rummage their sofa cushions for about five minutes in order to come up with that kind cash.

  49. NovaBlack says:

    DAMIIT! dont play that tune!

    It means i HAVE to go and listen to my entire final fantasy music collection 13 times or my family will die.

     

    *twitches nervously*

     

  50. magic_taco says:

            *Final fantasy Victory music*

    Yup yup yup, Guvy Decided not to waste ink on a piece of garbage called HB353, This is good news for my tax dollars, Well I dont know what to say about you honeycakes, I think’s it’s about time to leave utah and go back to that cardboard box you call a mansion.

     

    We should have a party, Free Taco’s! And DDR on the house!

     

  51. Freyar says:

    I hate to sidetrack, but you know that STALKER: SOC, and STALKER: CS don’t use SecuROM right? 😛

    I will give you credit in that the images show generic DRM instead.

    —- There is a limit for both politicians against video games, and video games against politicians. http://www.goteamretard.com

  52. JC says:

    Funny enough, he did say his reasoning was to protect the children. His real fear (and the fear of others) was that they may just pull the ESRB ratings instead of even using them and thus he was worried that more kids would get their hands on it.

  53. Monte says:

    Well not really, the Guv is exaggerating what was said by industry reps. From what we’ve heard of them saying, people like Vance said their was a possibility that they might choose not to enforce the ratings, if they can be held liable. There wasn’t much certainty, just the talk of the possibility… Furtharmore, their was no mention of dropping the ratings as a whole; the game industry would still make use of the rating system, it’s just that the voluntary enforcement that retailers give it might disappear.

    It’s not blackmail, it’s just a business practice… sometimes a business might be willing to take some bad PR if it means they can avoid being sued… There wasn’t a mass of retailers saying that was exactly what they would do, just random people trying to predict what managers MIGHT do in such a situation. 

  54. JDKJ says:

    Let’s not forget that Huntsman is a politician and what a politician says usually has much spin. Who knows what really went into his decision to veto? But whatever it was, you can bet that he’ll come up with something to say that shines a most favorable light on himself.

  55. nightwng2000 says:

    I’d like to think he misunderstood.

    I’d had to think that the industries would vacate the rating systems themselves.

    I’d also hate to think the governor lied about the industry threatening to vacate the rating systems to drum up misinformed support for the bill. 

    So I’ll go on the assumption, for now, that he just misunderstood.  Maybe he thinks the ratings and the policies are tied together, which they aren’t.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

  56. Michael Brooks says:

    From what the guv said, it sounds like the industry reps were pretty serious about their threat to take off the ratings. It’s basically blackmail … but that’s such a strong word. It was pretty damn smooth though.

  57. nightwng2000 says:

    Any display can probably be defined as "advertisment".  A review, customer or professional, could be defined as "advertisment" using the same argument.  One could, if one desired, claim that making false public statments would also constitute "false advertising" under the same argument.  It’s not that far of a stretch.

    But, the FACTS, and as we know the Traitor John Bruce is not know for FACTS, let alone Truth, honor, ethics, or morality, say that the rating system, ANY rating system, isn’t an advertisment in favor or even against ANY product.  They are a summary of content to be used as information for individuals and Parents alike to make informed, intelligent, decisions as to what is or is not appropriate for them or their children.  One MIGHT argue that this is a selling point, positive or negative, and therefore is "advertisment".  But see the references to professional and even customer reviews above.

    The accuracy of the Traitor John Bruce?  He thinks two male characters kissing in a game is "gay sex", but doesn’t call a male and female kissing in a game "straight sex".  You want better accuracy than the Traitor John Bruce?  Find something broken that mechanically gives you incorrect information.  That’s more accurate than the Traitor John Bruce.  At least the broken mechanical device has a genuine excuse.  The Traitor John Bruce’s failure is intentional.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

  58. hellfire7885 says:

    I remember that. Meaning if this went through he and his cronies would be touring the state suing retailers.


  59. BearDogg-X says:

    They have to get a 2/3rds vote in both houses to reconvene first, then get the 2/3rds vote in both houses to override. The governor’s only vetoed one other bill besides this one. I don’t think the Utah Legislature would be dumb enough to reconvene over two bills(unless Gargoyle Ruzicka pays them all off, but then that would be bribery).

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


    Proud supporter of the New Orleans Saints, LSU, 1st Amendment; Real American; Hound of Justice; Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always

    Saints(3-4), LSU(7-0)

  60. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    It just sucks they have the ability to Falcon Punch right back in the form of a 2/3 vote or higher.

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  61. JDKJ says:

    You’re right. My bad. It does take both chambers.

    I’m assuming (big assumption) Morely’s not daft enough to re-submit his bill in the same form as was vetoed and will re-draft it to address the reasons and concerns stated by Huntsman for the veto — if he can (I doubt that Jack’s little idea is a "bulletproof" as he thinks it is and crafting legislation regulating artistic speech under the guise of an advertising regulation which passes constitutional muster is easier said than done).  

  62. BearDogg-X says:

    According to Utah’s Constitution, they have to get a 2/3rds majority of both houses to reconvene for up to five days within 60 days of the adjournment of the legislature. Which means they have until May 11th to override if they decide to reconvene.

    Also, if Morley has to reintroduce the legislation in 2010, who’s to say that Gov. Huntsman won’t veto it again(Huntsman just won re-election this past November)?

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


    Proud supporter of the New Orleans Saints, LSU, 1st Amendment; Real American; Hound of Justice; Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always

    Saints(3-4), LSU(7-0)

  63. JDKJ says:

    Usually, it’s just a matter of the Legislature reconvening itself in a Special Session. But before doing so, the leadership (majority and minority leaders, whips, etc.) have a good sense of whether or not they’ll have all the bodies and votes they need. If they don’t have either the bodies or the votes, then they won’t call for a Special Session. If they don’t, then the best Morley and his buddies can do is wait ’til the 2010 Session and re-introduce his legislation.

  64. Monte says:

    So is there usually a special session in cases like this, or is there like a process they must go through to get it and thus it is possible that this issue may just have to wait until the senate offcially starts up again?

  65. JDKJ says:

    Yes, a 2/3 supermajority of the Utah Senate can override the Governor’s veto and, given the vote count when the bill passed the Senate, that shouldn’t be difficult. The difficulty lies in getting them to come back from their vacations to a Special Session. The Senate adjourned for the year weeks ago.

    @GoodRobotUs: It’s Utah. There are no Democrats to be found in the entire State. But for my girl, Saintless. Just kidding. But, seriously, I’d imagine there aren’t more than a handful of Dems in the Utah Legislature.

  66. GoodRobotUs says:

    The last time, Thompson was involved again, and because Shurtleff, the AG of Utah spoke about concerns about the constitutionality of the bill, Thompson called for his impeachment, in typical Thompson style 😉

    As for overthrowing the veto, it’s difficult to say which way it will go, if the American politics works anything like UK politics, then it will depend, in part, on how many Republicans there are on the Senate, since there’s always the risk of making the party look divided if this sort of thing happens, i.e. ‘how can a party have a policy when it’s own members can’t agree?’,so it is discouraged once the decision has been made, but I’m not certain if that would be the case in the US.

  67. TBoneTony says:

    I am willing to admit as a gamer that if the Movie Industry was not also targeted, then this bill would have been passed by the Governor.

    Thank god we have allot of friends in the Movie Industry, at least they also understand how it is like to be targeted by religious political coservatives.

     

  68. TBoneTony says:

    Instead of the wrath of JT and the Eagle Forum, I think the Govenor is better off because he has just won the fans of many Videogamers and people within the Industry in Utah.

    Also with many parents who are thankful for the ESRB ratings and also the Movie goers who love R rated movies it is a big thing for them.

    As a politician, you keep your friends close, and your enamies closer so you can always remind them that if they make such a silly attempt at a half assed legislation, the govenor will just veto it anyway.

     

  69. Mattsworkname says:

    To be honest, this was not what I antcipated. I thought it would pass, go to court, die. But the smart gov said "screw that" and killed the bill before it ever wasted taxpayer dollars in legal fees. So, the good news, bill dead. Bad news, Gov Huntsman will now have to put up with JT endlessly calling "Conspiracy" on him.

    Kudo to the gov. Mans got some brains.

     

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  70. TBoneTony says:

    Jack perhaps already got his pet Cat and going off to MAD island yelling "I’ill get you next time Gamers…NEXT TIME!!!!!"

     

  71. Paulrus says:

    ‘koo.

    I’m eager to hear Mr. Thompson’s response. It would probably be somewhere around "the goverenor is an idiot" and "I’LL GET YOU NEXT TIME, GADGET!"

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  72. Firebird says:

    That always struck me as the next big extreme sports beverage/soda.

    Feeling down? Bored? Sick of life? Then go ahead and drink a nice tasty…

    FALCON PUUUNCH!!!!!

    Full of Vitamin C….. its an incoming fist to the face!!!!

     

     

    —Oops, I think I spoiled your comment…

  73. Bennett Beeny says:

    Don’t get too comfortable.  This is all part of Jack’s master plan.  First he gets disbarred, then his pet legislation gets vetoed, then the legislators will overturn the veto, then the Supreme Court will rule the law unconstitutional, then, just when everyone thinks games are safe, Jack will construct a secret underground lair somewhere in the Pacific Ocean, rename himself Dr. Evil, and hold the world ransom for… ONE MILLION DOLLARS!

  74. Chuma says:

    Wow!  That was totally unexpected, at least by myself.  Fan-bloody-tastic.  Can’t wait to hear the fallout from this and Jack’s rants and threats 😀

  75. David says:

    If you would have bet me what the governor was going to do, I wouldn’t have bet on this.  What a shock… and how nice it is to see a government official realize something’s unintended consequences.

  76. Michael Chandra says:

    Prolly MPAA as well. "No more age ratings in movie advertizements, on billboards advertizing movies, on the covers as you rent or buy them…"

  77. Michael Brooks says:

    That was a smooth move by the game industry.

    "Well, you know, if this passes, I guess we can’t put any ratings on the games … sigh …"

    "Alright I’ll veto, I’ll veto!"

    Thompson completely freaking owned again. I love it.

  78. Michael Chandra says:

    Is the showing of a rating the equivalent of claiming you’ll enforce it? Jack said it was, remember? The Senate did NOT include the suggested amendment that said it was not an advertizement making that claim. As such, it can easily be claimed the politicians would go after these depicted ratigns, meaning you might have to remove them.

    In other words, it’s the refusal of the Senate to include that amendment that opens up this way of reasoning.

  79. nightwng2000 says:

    While I think it’s a good thing the governor was thinking of the people of Utah and the potential costs they would incure, I happen to disagree with a statement he made:

    "The industries most affected by this new requirement indicated that rather than risk being held liable under this bill, they would likely choose to no longer issue age appropriate labels on goods and services.

    Therefore, the unintended consequence of the bill would be that parents and children would have no labels to guide them in determining the age appropriateness of the goods or service, thereby increasing children’s potential exposure to something they or their parents would have otherwise determined was inappropriate under the voluntary labeling system now being recognized and embraced by a significant majority of vendors."

    The argument fails in the sense that the ratings themselves wouldn’t be removed from the products.  The result would be that retailers would stop using the ratings in policies.  I very seriously doubt that the ESRB and MPAA would stop rating products because of this bill.

    Parents, therefore, wouldn’t be without the informational resource.  They would merely not have the voluntary support of retailers.  Not exactly a disaster considering that the policies are easily gotten around anyway.  But it’s nice to know they voluntarily chose to set such policies.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

  80. PHX Corp says:

    phew, that was close, I’ll send a letter thanking gov. jon huntsmann for making my life feel ok

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

  81. Monte says:

    I believe so… we can only hope that the govenor’s veto will convince over a third of the senate to reconsider the issue. Which is possible… if i recall, an anti-video game bill was once brought up in utah but i think the senate actually voted agianst it; no clue how the govenor felt, but i think the AG spoke out against the bill because it would not hold up in court… so with the govenor’s influence, those who voted agianst the bill last time but supported it this time might turn back around…

    Grant it, when the bill fails in court, atleast the govenor can hold his head up high and say that he actually tried to prevent the enevitable and save Utah its tax money.

  82. PHX Corp says:

    That’s a good question, we’re not out of the woods yet

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

  83. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    Hush, don’t ruin the moment.

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  84. lizardinmycoffee says:

    But I have a question, can’t the State Senate overturn the veto with 2/3 majority like the Federal Legislative Branch? Because if that’s the case, they had more than enough numbers to do that with the first vote and the veto will be a moot point.

  85. Monte says:

    Well, the thing is, no body would have expected the bill to fail in THIS manner… the court is one thing, judges must uphold the constitution, the law and take everything into consideration… Politicains on the other hand are free to step all over the law; so long as they can say half-way convicingly that its to "protect the children", they can get away with anything and come out on top… normally a goveneror would not go against such a bill because it would not be beneficial politically; yes it would save tax money, court time, and would be protecting free speech, but a lot of voters don’t consider such things and only care about the "protect the children" mantra

    Though the govenor did the right thing, this action would more likely be used AGAINST him in a politcal campaign

  86. Flak says:

    HELL YES! Honestly though, was anyone really suprised by this bills failure? I know this will be a giant relief for those in Utah

    Live long, game hard, and don’t cheat.

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