Jack Thompson Lashes Out at Utah Guv Following Game Bill Veto

Following abortive attempts to bring video game legislation to Utah in 2006 and 2007, Jack Thompson’s fortunes in the conservative Western state seemed to be improving this time around.

Despite early confusion as to whether Thompson or bill sponsor Rep. Mike Morley deserved credit for dreaming up HB 353, the bill quickly gathered momentum. The Utah House and Senate passed the measure overwhelmingly and it was known to enjoy the support of Utah power broker – and Thompson ally – Gayle Ruzicka, head of the ultra-conservative Utah Eagle Forum.

Republican Gov. Jon Huntsman pulled the rug out yesterday, however. Huntsman vetoed the bill, citing constitutional concerns and the potential for "unintended consequences."

For his part, Thompson went on the offensive. A letter from the disbarred attorney to the Governor took a harsh tone and threatened even more restrictive legislative action in the future:

You got suckered [by the video game industry]. Further, there is no constitutional, First Amendment problem… 

If your veto is not overridden, then we will be back with a bill to ban the sale of these products altogether, in light of the recent massacres in Germany and in this country directly caused by these murder simulation products that are being copycatted by teens who are being fraudulently sold them.

GP: The threat to ban violent games for players of all ages – including adults – would appear to be highly suspect, in light of the First Amendment. We asked Thompson about that, but he did not respond.

Thompson also circulated public records showing a May, 2006 campaign contribution of $500 from video game publishers’ lobbying group the ESA to Huntsman. In an e-mail, Thompson accused the industry of buying Huntsman’s veto.

We have verified that the $500 contribution from the ESA was received on behalf of Huntsman’s 2004 campaign fund. But for Thompson’s assertion to be correct, the ESA would have been prescient, indeed, to forsee – and pay for – a gubernatorial veto three years in advance. One would also have to accept the premise that the Guv could be bought. We asked Thompson about this, but again did not receive a response. 

UPDATE: Some GP readers have requested the Thompson letter to Gov. Huntsman. It follows after the jump.

 

March 26, 2009

The Honorable Jon M. Huntsman, Jr.
Governor of Utah
Salt Lake City, Utah  Via Fax to 801-xxx-xxxx

Re:  Your Veto of HB 353

Dear Governor Huntsman:

Those of us who labored long and hard to assure the rightness and constitutionality of the above bill are shocked not just by your veto of it but even more so by your utter failure to extend to Rep. Mike Morley the courtesy of  allowing him to address your concerns before you wielded your veto pen.

This failure of normal courtesy tells me that you did not want to be confused by the facts.  The facts are that neither the movie nor the video game industries, and their retail networks, can possibly opt out of the age-rating system, yet you have bought their red herring statement that they would.  To do so, after ironclad promises to President Clinton and Congress that they would never do so, would bring federal content regulation of their products.  This is something they want to avoid at all costs.  You got suckered.

Further, there is no constitutional, First Amendment problem, because there is no attempt in the bill to  regulate content or punish action based on content.  This is a fraud statute which simply says:  If you tell the public you do something, then you must do it.  Adam Smith, the author of the Wealth of Nations in 1776, and arguably the father of capitalism, noted that a marketplace based upon fraud is not free.

If your veto is not overridden, then we will be back with a bill to ban the sale of these products altogether, in light of the recent massacres in Germany and in this country directly caused by these murder simulation products that are being copycatted by teens who are being fraudulently sold them.

Regards, Jack Thompson

Copies:  Lt. Gov. Herbert, Rep. Morley, Others

 

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143 comments

  1. BrandonL337 says:

    I wanna see the statue of Liberty before it turned green that would be so epic, I also want ghostbusters.  Prototypes another that i can’t wait for.

    There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can’t do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

  2. HungryHungryHomer says:

    heh. Yeah, you could bring him back with you, and he’d be all like. *smack upside the head* "Dude! Knock that shit off!"

  3. The Hangd Man says:

    Then Washington and the rest of the founding fathers decide to come up with a list of rights to be protected starting with the freedom of speech. Think of it! JT’s ranting against the 1st amendment is used in a predestination paradox that created the 1st amendment in the (ahem) first place.

     

    I hate broccoli/ and think it totally sucks/ Why isn’t it meat?

  4. Ashkihyena says:

    Pretty much, tell him that a crazy insane ex-lawyer is trying to undo what Washington and those with him fought with him did so back then.

  5. Sukasa says:

    True, I admit Ghostbusters does look pretty interesting and worth its own time travel trip.  Though I also would love to go back in time as well and see what the Giza pyrmaids looked like freshly built, see ancient greece, etc.  Heck maybe go see Jesus(see if he will teach me that water to wine trick!) while I am there and maybe see George Washignton and tell him how crazy it is 200 years from his timeframe lol.

  6. Mad_Scientist says:

    The confusion stems from the fact that you mentioned GP running a story, which sounds to me like Dennis running an official story here, when in fact he has not run any story on the comments in the Desert News. GP readers found those comments and mentioned them here, but that’s a totally different thing. Maybe that’s what you meant when you said that, but unfortunately it didn’t sound that way to me.

    I believe someone stated that Dennis doesn’t think those comments are actually Thompson, though perhaps I am mistaken. Regardless, I’m sure Dennis will verify whether those comments on the Desert News are real before he runs a story about them.

  7. Mad_Scientist says:

    Well, $500 is such an absurdly low amount (as far as campaign contributions go) that the ESA could probably easily donate that much to a governer campaign in every single state as a preemptive measure.

    Of course, since $500 is so tiny, even a cynical man like me has a hard time believing it could buy you anything.

  8. Beacon80 says:

    The game industry does have time travel.  I mean, they must have, because they sent copies of Call of Duty back in time in order to start all those wars.  Only way such violence could exist before video games were invented.  I wonder what game they used to start the crusades.  Who knows… maybe it hasn’t been made yet!

  9. Alex says:

    If your veto is not overridden, then we will be back with a bill to ban the sale of these products altogether

    Am I the only one that found this statement utterly hilarious?

    "If your veto isn’t overridden, we’ll be back with a bill less likely to gain support that will have even more grounds for you to veto it!"

    Yeah, NOW Jack’s got the governor pinned down! He’ll give in for sure now!

    I’m not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I’m not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don’t know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.

  10. Ashkihyena says:

    Let’s just say, I’m a bit more obessed with Ghostbusters more then the lottery, I know, odd but thats how much I want that game.

    Then if these politicans speak the truth, I’m going to go train how to be a ghostbuster.  *Snerks*  If only.

  11. Sukasa says:

    The likely irony in the whole "bribery" story is that I would bet the governor got far more money from republicans and conservatives who supported the bill then from those who opposed it.  Could we say all his other contributions are bribery as well? 

  12. Ashkihyena says:

    I wish I had the time machine that they did so I can go into the future and get Ghostbusters ahead of schedule.

  13. Sukasa says:

    If $500 is considered enough to equal "protection money", then what does $10,000 or heck $25,000 buy you(which if you look on governor’s contributions lists, there are alot more donations over $500)? Able to sleep in the governors house?  How about $200,000?  Maybe that has the governor providing "special, wink, wink" services for the donor?  I do find it interesting that the article doesn’t mention how much was donated to the governor, letting readers think its some huge amount!

  14. Charax says:

    So..hold on…

    The ESA makes a minor (you could even say paltry – if $500 is all it takes to buy off a governor then I’m amazed more people don’t do it) donation to a candidate so that if he wins, three years later he can veto a bill written up by Jackie, which the ESA had no prior knowledge of?

    How the hell did the ESA pull that one off? a room full of psychohistorians?

  15. nightwng2000 says:

    The story on GP is in regards to an email Dennis received.  Dennis would have direct verification.

    As to the comments section on Desert News, yes, compare IP addresses if possible to prior email IP data (which there is no doubt they’ve received emails by him before).

    I wouldn’t trust verification from him any more than I would trust him… period.

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  16. PushDustIn says:


    How is the site going to vertify it? Are they going to email him? Do an IP lookup for all the posts? That’s all they really can do.

    I think GP is just as guilty, they are the ones running the story w/o any confirmation.Would it hurt to do some fact checking?

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  17. Shoehorn Oplenty says:

    He didn’t bribe them like the unscrupulous ECA! He merely…allied with a religious group that unfortunately has some political muscle in Utah in order to pressurise a member of the legislature into introducing the bill. Nothing like bribery whatsoever!

  18. Shadow D. Darkman says:

    My reply:

    "I’ll make sure lying cheating vultures in a corrupt industry like you never harm innocent people. Morality is dead or Dying and loser’s like you are just concerned about how many people you can kill before pulling the trigger."

    By God, no RickRoll could ever get me to laugh as hard as I did when I read that.

    As I cannot come up with the words to form what I want to say, I will just quote Richter Belmont, who has probably the best way to say it.

    "Your words are as empty as your soul. Mankind ill needs a savior such as you."  -Richter Belmont

    Grow up, Jack. It’s over.

    EDIT: Seems they didn’t post it. Wonder what was wrong with it.

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  19. E. Zachary Knight says:

    This article we are commenting on is based on a letter written by John Bruce and sent to Dennis. This comment we are talking about was one posted to Deseret News. While the Deseret News comment most likely is not John Bruce, the letter Dennis Recieved is from him.

    E. Zachary Knight
    Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
    http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma


    E. Zachary Knight
    Divine Knight Gaming
    Oklahoma Game Development
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  20. Shoehorn Oplenty says:

    It’s a safety measure that Utah game retailers have a 94% enforcement rate without also.

  21. Shoehorn Oplenty says:

    "The Entertainment Software Association (ESA), the lead video game industry lobbyist, just concluded a fraudulent Internet-based disinformation campaign to flood Huntsman’s office with e-mails from video gamers to put pressure upon him to veto House Bill 353"

    So, when Jack contacts people and tries to influence their opinion, he is trying to save lives, but when other citizens with contrary beliefs do the same, they are liars and frauds!

    "ESA bragged in 2008 that it was spreading money around to politicians to thwart video game legislation."

    Just as Jack Thompson bragged on forum after forum that he was going to attempt to destroy the video game industry.

    "Huntsman didn’t want to be confused by the facts which Rep. Morley could have and would have given him."

    Didn’t Morley himself say when asked by this website that the law would not be effective against stores which chose not to follow the age ratings?  I fail to see how Huntsman would be confused by the these facts when he used the VERY SAME ONES to justify kicking this worthless bill out.

    "The money thrown at Huntsman—and kept by him–was given to buy protection for the video game industry. This pay-to-play nonsense is precisely why most Americans have lost trust in their elected officials at all levels."

    Wow, 500 bucks really goes a long way. Especially when it is given before the bill in question ever became known to the public. Maybe Jack should have included that the games industry uses evil psychic powers of premonition, just to up the baseless accusations a little more.

    "One of the more absurd assertions is that the movie and video game industries will simply opt out of their age rating protocols"

    Store policy is not an age rating protocol. It is unique to a store.

    "That will not happen; they have made too many promises to Congress that they would never do that. And they can’t, because if they do, then Congress will go straight to content regulation, which they want to avoid."

    This seems to be one of his new pet issues. What is he blathering about? It seems to be his new "oath of office" that he brings to every discussion now.

    "Shocking news comes today that a 16-year-old who was an obsessive player of the Grand Theft Auto games murdered a WABC newsman."

    Where did he get the "obsessive" part from? Also, he neglected to point out that the newsman in question had solicited sex involving a knife…

    "These games are nothing but murder simulators, and they are being sold to underage kids throughout Utah this very day."

    6% of the time, due to the states extremely high adherence to the ESRB rating system!

    "By the way, in all the Grand Theft Auto games, the player can rehearse a “mall rampage” just like the one at Trolley Square in Salt Lake City."

    I can only remember 1 mall in any GTA game, the one in Vice City.

  22. TK n Happy Ness says:

    Jack, give it up already. We all know you bribed those politicians to pass your bill, and so does the Gov. How else do you explain it being passed so easily?

    When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?

  23. Kojiro says:

    So $500 is all you need to put a politician in your back pocket?  Damn, I need to start contributing!  Sign me up!  I will soon rule the world, bwaahahahahahahaa!!

  24. Bigman-K says:

    $500 is nothing. You’d think in order to pay off a politican for favours esspecially someone like the Governor of a state you’d be paying a six figure amount if not millions.

    "No law means no law" – Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

  25. RonnieBarzel says:

    " It is a public safety measure Utahns can’t live without."

    Seems as if Utahns have been living without that measure for many years.

  26. hellfire7885 says:

    Ummm, or Hunstman just has a mind of his own and saw the bill for what it was, a thinly veiled attempt for Thompson to bury the industry in lawsuits.


  27. hellfire7885 says:

    Heh, I still have questions I know he’ll never answer.

    1. If millions of lives would have been saved, why has the US population not significatly been reduced?

    2. If the media industries have so much power, why is he still alive? He would have been silenced ages ago.

    3. What do the media industries have to gain from theirm ain consumer based beign dead or in jail?


  28. Conster says:

    Quoting from the comments to an article on the Salt Lake Tribune’s site (http://www.sltrib.com/ci_11995392):

    Immediate News Release – March 26, 2009
       
       Utah Gov. Huntsman Received Protection Money from Video Game Industry Lobbyist that Led Disinformation Campaign to Veto Video Game Truth in Advertising Bill
       
       Utah campaign finance disclosure records show that Governor Jon Huntsman received money from the Entertainment Software Association for his successful November 2008 re-election bid. See http://globe.utah.gov/allcont/allcont.aspx?CandidateID=1961&sort=name .
       
       The Entertainment Software Association (ESA), the lead video game industry lobbyist, just concluded a fraudulent Internet-based disinformation campaign to flood Huntsman’s office with e-mails from video gamers to put pressure upon him to veto House Bill 353 which simply would have required businesses that sell or rent adult-rated video games and movies to underage kids to keep their advertised promises to do so. ESA bragged in 2008 that it was spreading money around to politicians to thwart video game legislation.
       
       Huntsman, in vetoing HB 353 despite near unanimous votes for it the Utah House and Senate, falsely stated yesterday, after his veto, that the movie industry and video game industry would opt out of their age-rating and labeling of games and movies if he signed the Truth in Advertising law amendment. The Utah Speaker of the House and others have refuted this silly argument. This bizarre rationale by Huntsman was and is a complete fabrication, as commitments by both industries to the federal government make opting out of the age ratings systems totally impossible. This was a sucker argument that Huntsman bought.
       
       Gov. Huntsman’s rationale was so devoid of reality-based logic that he failed even to inform Rep. Mike Morley, who sponsored HB 353, that he was even considering a veto. Huntsman didn’t want to be confused by the facts which Rep. Morley could have and would have given him.
       
       The money thrown at Huntsman—and kept by him–was given to buy protection for the video game industry. This pay-to-play nonsense is precisely why most Americans have lost trust in their elected officials at all levels.
       
       Maybe Huntsman can start his own lobbying firm with Ron Blagojevich once both are out of office.
       
       Contact Jack Thompson for more information at *Snipped Contact Info*.

    Dear Governor Huntsman:
       
       I write to strongly urge you to sign into law the above bill which simply makes movie and video game retailers hold to their long-standing but ignored promises not to sell age-restricted entertainment to underage kids. If they do, then under the new law they will be violating Utah’s Truth in Advertising law. It is about time they do what they say they do.
       
       This bill is clearly constitutional, as it does not seek to define what is harmful to minors and by avoiding all content-based regulation it has no First Amendment problems. I should know. I helped draft the law and worked with Rep. Morley and Sen. Dayton.
       
       The most extreme ideologues within the video game and movie industry, however, are lying to you in their orchestrated mass e-mail campaign about what the bill is and seeks to do. One of the more absurd assertions is that the movie and video game industries will simply opt out of their age rating protocols. That will not happen; they have made too many promises to Congress that they would never do that. And they can’t, because if they do, then Congress will go straight to content regulation, which they want to avoid.
       
       You need to know that the recent school massacre in Germany was at the hands of a 17-year-old who consumed specific killer games on which he trained for the massacre. Germany is now considering an outright ban on all such games.
       
       Shocking news comes today that a 16-year-old who was an obsessive player of the Grand Theft Auto games murdered a WABC newsman. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/03/25/2009-03-25_violent_sex_ad_led_to_murder_of_wabc_new.html. These games are nothing but murder simulators, and they are being sold to underage kids throughout Utah this very day. By the way, in all the Grand Theft Auto games, the player can rehearse a “mall rampage” just like the one at Trolley Square in Salt Lake City.
       
       Please sign Utah House Bill 353. It is a public safety measure Utahns can’t live without.
       
       Regards, Jack Thompson

     

    Annnd there’s the reference to the WABC murder. Right on cue, really.

  29. Adam says:

    Honestly? Is anyone suprised that Jack is lashing out? Doesn’t he do this everytime someone goes against him? I love how he says that they’ll come back with a bill that bans the sale of them all together. If he was really a, what Fox News Called a "First Ammendment Attourney" he would know that banning the sale of them all together is 110% against the first ammendment.

  30. Rodrigo Ybáñez García says:

    Jack Thompson recent post on Deseret:

    @Zerodash

    Dont forget to take your medication, Just get back to playing your suicide game and get good at it, Gov. Huntsman as you know was forced threatened by the ESA/MPAA and obviously loser’s like Dennis and gamers into vetoing what could have possibly have saved thousands,If not millions of human lives, Oh wait, I guess your brains are so decayed into goo; concerning after the recent events in germany,I will be forced to call the NSA or the FBI to have ESA/MPAA and Dennis investigated, Dennis if you can hear me, I’ll make sure lying cheating vultures in a corrupt industry like you never harm innocent people, Morality is dead or Dying and loser’s like you are just concerned about how many people you can kill before pulling the trigger,I will call on Huntsman to discuss what’s been going on and demand to know what is the best possible solution to have the bill revived.

     

    My answer to him:

    Millions of lives? You are delusional, Jack. You are not stoping any wars to claim that nonsense by banning the entire game industry.

    The only thing dying here is your own cause. It´s worthless and misguided. Terrible misguided.

    If you were a little more serious, maybe you could really make something with your life. But because you are more interesed on getting your name on the internet and chassing massacres, this is the result of your dumb actions.

    Nobody is taking you seriously. Not Huntsman. Not Obama. Not gamers.

    You are wasting your time, your life, and the nation´s time.

    The bill will stay dead like many others they have made in these years because they were made by extreme ignorance of their own Constitution, not even because the games are a danger for "the children" (because we know you give a damn for them, they are tools for you). That´s because all those bills were doomed to oblivion, as your own cause.

    Jack Thompson´s greatest enemy Jack himself.

    Enjoy your life, Jack, and get a real job.

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  31. PushDustIn says:


    Yeah I really wish that GP would verify its stories before running them. We have no idea if these comments are coming from Mr. Thompson or not.

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  32. 1AgainstTheWorld says:

    Why is Jack so mad?  I’d think he’d be used to Epic Fail by now, even find it comforting.

    His spelling and grammar have definitely taken a downswing as his mind becomes increasingly unhinged.  (EDIT: Ah.  Right.  Probably an impersonator.)

  33. HarmlessBunny says:

    Oh from the mouth of the angel himself…

    "@Zerodash

    Dont forget to take your medication, Just get back to playing your suicide game and get good at it, Gov. Huntsman as you know was forced threatened by the ESA/MPAA and obviously loser’s like Dennis and gamers into vetoing what could have possibly have saved thousands,If not millions of human lives, Oh wait, I guess your brains are so decayed into goo; concerning after the recent events in germany,I will be forced to call the NSA or the FBI to have ESA/MPAA and Dennis investigated, Dennis if you can hear me, I’ll make sure lying cheating vultures in a corrupt industry like you never harm innocent people, Morality is dead or Dying and loser’s like you are just concerned about how many people you can kill before pulling the trigger,I will call on Huntsman to discuss what’s been going on and demand to know what is the best possible solution to have the bill revived."

  34. PushDustIn says:


    Are we sure this is Jack Thompson? Yes, it sounds like him but the style in which he types is inconsistent. In one paragraph he uppercases all the proper nouns like America and Dennis, but in another comment he doesn’t. Even when you are angry you are most likely to type in the same way. I could just as easy type my name as Jack Thompson in the comment box, and write a comment. BAM I’ve now become Jack Thompson or at least I temporarily have his name as my username. There is no registration on this site so how can we be sure? Can we get verification from Mr. Thompson himself?

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  35. nightwng2000 says:

    I would be no more surprise if it were a faker than if it were really him.  Still, I believe it to be him.

    My little anime buddy is going at it!  That smoke pouring out his ears, that scrunched up face, them balled up fists, and them legs!  Up, down, up, down, up, down!

    EZK:  Buttons!  Gotta push them buttons!  How many little red buttons that say "Don’t push!" can I push in 10 seconds?!  Woo hoo!

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  36. Krono says:

    I’m telling you, he’s an honest to goodness real life super villain. Before you know it, he will declare war on us and charge at Dennis in robotic armor and Dennis will wield the epic sword of 9000 Truths.

    … oh wait, I’m explaining JT’s day dream again. My bad!

    That sounds more like one of JT’s nightmares to me. Afterall, he’s the doomed villain in it.

    -Gray17

  37. Vake Xeacons says:

     You knew it was coming. Like the cry of a dying animal. I just hope he doesn’t break the Governor’s fax machine this time.

    "Asshole to the end." Reminds me of Polaski from San Andreas.

  38. HarmlessBunny says:

    As predicted, Jack lashes out calling all sorts of names and the what not, going for the throat of the Governor….AGAIN. Wow Jack must really want to make friends and not burn bridges *nods*

  39. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    Actually, not to sound like an ass or anything, but he does. Hell, we all do. We just have to act upon it. If Dennis e-mailed Gov. Huntsmann, he’s using his political power as a vocal citizen to influence a politician.

    Now accusing Dennis of doing something illegal or unethical is childish; it’s the usual fare Jack displays when things don’t go his way (e.g. his disbarment trial).

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    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  40. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    *laughs* Oh, wow, Jacky-boy, you are quite astounding. Fuming and seething and stomping about, saying that Gov. Huntsmann was bribed and that you will be victorious in your possible attempt to ban video games! It’s true: laughter really is the best medicine. And thanks to you, I’m the healthiest person in the world.

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    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  41. Azhrarn says:

    Who wants to start a fundraiser to buy mr. Huntsmans office a new fax machine?
    Judging from that tone of JTs they may soon need one.

    But seriously,  "even more restrictive legislation" ? This was borderline First Amendment violation, so you come back with an obvious violation? 

    @" (best translation I could think of for the german word) the shooting happened in will most likely propose something like that, and perhaps even the Reichstag will propose something along those lines aswell. It doesn’t mean it’ll be done ofcourse, but it is certainly not unthinkable.

    For the US the 1st amendement will keep that type of legislation locked up in court for years, but other countries may not view the freedom of speech the same way.
    The 1st amendment of the US constitution is the countries saving grace aswell as its most abused political tool. Similar constitutional entries in other countries generally have limits imposed on the applicability of its content. (generally for obvious hate mongering and racial predudice)

     

  42. Alevan says:

    I’m telling you, he’s an honest to goodness real life super villain. Before you know it, he will declare war on us and charge at Dennis in robotic armor and Dennis will wield the epic sword of 9000 Truths.

    … oh wait, I’m explaining JT’s day dream again. My bad!

    In all seriousness, for him to accuse Dennis of anything is just childish and downright silly. Dennis has no political influence what so ever.

    Amy Levandoski

  43. NecroSen says:

    March 28, 2009

    The Not-So-Honorable Jack Thompson
    Disbarred Attorney from the state of Florida
    All places       Via… This Message

    Re:  Your Re:

    Dear Mr. Thompson:

    You have lost. The bill you wrote was flawed in oh so many ways, as are the arguments you use to proclaim its supposed efficacy. What do you think would have happened had the bill existed as unchallenged law? In all of your dealings with congresses, courts and TV pundits, what end result do you have in mind that could possibly be better for the country than the way things are now?

    Since you are quick to point out the benefits of a free market, as argued by Adam Smith, why are you also quick to threaten to bring legislation that would ban any product from that market? Such a blatant contradiction is laughable, in our most humble opinion. And, thus, we have laughed. ‘Twas a good laugh, too. Hearty and warm.

    You say the industry has duped the governor of Utah. In fact, you have claimed that he was bribed by the use of campaign contributions… 3 years ago. A terrible accusation, one that is most likely untrue. Even if that were the case, to have a veto of your bill purchased for a mere $500 is also quite laughable. Thus, we have laughed a second time.

    Finally, we must wonder why you are so concerned about having a bill passed in the state of Utah, 2,000 miles from your home state of Florida. It would appear as though your only friend left in the legal world is Rep. Mike Morley, and you are using his position to continue to campaign against the "evils" of video games in our society. No TV station will carry you anymore (at least, we hope not), no group will affiliate with you, your own state will not hear your nonsense any longer.

    You are alone in a world populated by us, the gamers. And yet, this is not a sad thing to hear, for we exist in all facets of life. We are young. We are old. We are men. We are women. We are rich. We are not-so-rich. We are students. We are teachers. We are the government and the governed. We are every color. We are everywhere.

    However, it is not necessary for us to completely identify ourselves as gamers in opposition to actions that would harm video games. We simply are. Games are an entertainment medium, as are television, music, movies and books. You cannot stop our desire to enjoy this medium simply because you do not understand it. You claim that you do, but you do not. You, like those you would call friends, still think that we are all the same, in that we are not you.

    Yet we are you, as we are all others. We simply are. Accept that and you shall know peace, as you would no doubt reflect on your life and see that you have failed in your attempts to fix that which is not broken.

    Give it up already, Mr. Thompson. Stop wasting our time and the state of Utah’s taxpayer’s money.

    Regards, the people

  44. Zerodash says:

    "If you tell the public you do something, then you must do it."

    Just like how Thompson told the public:

    – He was going to bring a RICO suit against the ESA in 2008

    – He was leading a shareholder revolt at Take Two

    – He was going to depose President Bush

    – He was going to shut down GP, Kotaku, Penny Arcade, etc.

    – He was going to sue Bill Gates if he didn’t pull Counterstrike from stores

    – He was going to sue/arrest numerous posters at GP

    – He was going to appear at a debate at PAX

  45. Deamian says:

    "If you tell the public you do something, then you must do it."

    Good idea, but why did you spend more time of your ending life and career to write a bill that appeared to be an epic-fail? That’s not you want people to do, you want them to watch out what movies/games they get to their kids…

  46. burningxnecro says:

    I would personally like to meet Jack in person purely for the satisfaction of saying, to his face.

    “Dude, you lost. Again. Get over it.”

  47. Andrew Eisen says:

    Neither.  He isn’t doing anyone any good.

     

    Andrew Eisen

    P.S. – May have originated from somewhere else but I know it from Wrath of Kahn.

  48. Ryno says:

    The good of the many outweighs the good of the few.

    Guess which side Jack falls on.

    PS – 10 gold to anyone who identifies the quote.

  49. gamegod25 says:

    Jack, please, as a favor to humanity when you have a thought, keep it to yourself. If you hate videogames and want to think they turn innocent children into crazed killers, you have every right to do so. But deep down you (hopefully) know that just isn’t true. So in the intrests of humanity and reason please just shut up. There is only so much bull**** I can take.

  50. Doom90885 says:

    Despite not living in Utah I’m glad to see that the U.S. Constitution has a little life in it for the time being. On to Jackass my god I have never seen such a whiny bitch when he doesn’t get his way. For being a former lawyer you’d think deep down in the back of his head he had to know tht his bill would be defeated. The guy is just insane trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

    For those who oppose and view video games as murder simulators…When are you going to FINALLY oppose and view firearms as murder weapons?!?!

  51. Ryno says:

    I’m reminded of a Christmas Story when Robbie gets back his essay on "What I Want for Christmas":

    If you’ll recall, he had a daydream about his teacher praising his essay, calling it the best one she’s ever seen, etc. etc. and giving it an A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++…. Then the students cheer him and raise him up on their shoulders, carrying him around the room.

    Unfortunately he then finds that he got an F, IIRC, with the words "You’ll shoot your eye out" for the comment.

     

    I’m pretty sure that’s how Jack saw this whole thing playing out. He’d be applauded by everyone everywhere and receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom, or whatever it was that Bush gave to all his cronies after their spectacular failures in his administration.

    Then reality calls and kicks Jack in the nads. So first, while in a state of shock, Jack lets everyone know about his failure, which I’m sure he was deliriously writing, thinking he was writing that the bill was signed. The next day, the shock wears off and anger sets in, leading to the latest round of tantrums.

    At least Robbie handled more like an adult than Jack did.

     

    And I hope the Gov takes some action against Jack for claiming he was bribed. Libel’s a pretty big deal for a gov, and I hope he gives Jack the bitch-slapping he deserves. And with any luck, and a whole lot of irony, Jack saying that the Gov was bribed will make the legislature less inclined to overturn the veto.

    Oh, and isn’t it interesting that it was the game companies who "promised" Congress and Clinton not to do away with ratings. Even if that’s true, and I highly doubt it, it would have been the retailers who didn’t advertise ratings. They’re not even bound by these so-called promises. Even more fail by Jack.

  52. Monte says:

     Actually i’d like to see a list of all the campaign contributors to huntsman… considering he’s a republican, i find it easy to believe that the Eagle Forum would probably also be on the list of contributors; since their conservative and politically active, contributing money to republicans would be right up their alley

  53. BearDogg-X says:

    The Metropolitian Moron of Miami just continues to show how much of a crybaby he is when things don’t go his way.

    Why should Gov. Huntsman tell Rep. Morley that he’s going to veto the bill beforehand? Why should he have to tip his hand?

    The facts were in front of Gov. Huntsman, and he didn’t need Rep. Morley or Thompson’s worthless ass befuddling him with bullshit. The entertainment industry can opt out of their voluntary rating systems  if they feel that it’s not worth the risk of frivolous lawsuits filed by scumsuckers, regardless of whether they "promised" retards like President Clinton or Congress or not. Hell, I would argue that, over the last several years, Congress reneged on their "promise" not to file legislation against the entertainment industry in exchange for allowing the industry to voluntary self-police themselves.

    There is a constitutional, First Amendment problem with the pile of dog shit bill, since it’s still based on restricting sales of products with certain content of minors. Adam Smith, as JDKJ noted, also said that the free market must be left alone and be free of government regulation. And there’s no fraud going on. In fact, I’d also argue that these secret shopper study deals are based on committing fraud.

    And if Gov. Huntsman had no problem vetoing this pile of trash, what makes the Metropolitian Moron of Miami think that he wouldn’t veto a bill calling for a complete ban of sales of a product with certain content based on fraudulent reports from tabloid trash news media and mistranslations of comments by prominent foreign politicians. And even if he did sign that bill, it would be ruled unconstitutional on First Amendment grounds so damn fast, Thompson’s skull would spin off his body.

    Thompson should learn to know his role, shut his mouth, lick a llama’s anus, grow up, and get a life.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


    Proud supporter of the New Orleans Saints, LSU, 1st Amendment; Real American; Hound of Justice; Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always

    Saints(3-4), LSU(7-0)

  54. GoodRobotUs says:

    Right, that’s it, from now on I’m not calling it the Ban-Hammer, I’m calling it the Veto Pen…

  55. PHX Corp says:

    IMO, this and Several sick statements(both now and in the past) prove that he acts like a frakking child

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

  56. MasterAssassin says:

    Jack’s tirade is typical of so called family values advocates who don’t get thier way. They scream, yell, declare that morality in America is dead, demonize and dehumanize thier enemies, make idle threats, and predict the appocalypse. Jack were all laughing at you right now because you were SO sure this would pass and that the industry was "doomed" and the governor had a brain and did the right thing instead of trying to get the votes of radical social conservatives. Hats off to this governor, even though i don’t live in Utah, I may have to donate to his re election campaign.

  57. Bennett Beeny says:

    "in light of the recent massacres in Germany and in this country directly caused by these murder simulation products"

    Wha?  Jack believes that the game ‘directly’ killed those kids in Germany?  He’s crazier than I thought.

  58. Sai says:

     My god, just how retarded is he?

    If you don’t overturn this veto, we’ll come back with an even MORE unconstitutional bill that is in your power to veto! That’ll show you!

     

  59. TBoneTony says:

    I bet that Jack can only go on a killing spree to make his point.

    By the way, he once said that his bill can’t get passed because he did not kill OVER 9,000 innocent people just to make his point.

    ok, that was a bit of an exageration but you can see I do remember Jack saying something like that when he was loosing a murder case.

     

  60. PHX Corp says:

    I LOL’ed hard over JT’s assine comments towards dennis(did JT threaten to call the FBI when he was told by the same org to go jump in a lake, that techinicaly leaves the NSA but because of his actions causing the US marshalls to check on him and follow him around to make sure he dosen’t cause a security threat)

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

  61. Erik says:

    So Jack couldn’t get even get this watered down bill through and yet he thinks that he will be able to pass an outright ban?  Um, no?  It’s like this, if you get your ass handed to you by some middle school basketball player in a game of 1 on 1 you don’t then go claming that you will then be able to take on Shaq.  You just don’t.

    -Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person’s fear of their own freedom-

  62. nighstalker160 says:

    Hey ESA/ECA get your asses in gear and sue this moron. Maybe we can get a court order barring him from doing this shit and then we can get him thrown in jail when he, inevitably, violates it.

  63. Geryon says:

    Don’t know if this has been said already but damn if $500 is all it takes I gotta start buying some politicians.

    edit: crap just looked 5 or so comments up after posting this ><

  64. Adamas Draconis says:

    WOW a whopping $500 bribe! PUH-LEEZE!!!! most governors make 150k+ a year, I doubt you could buy anything with less then .5% of that.

    Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

  65. RonnieBarzel says:

    I don’t know about that. I’m considered something of a political player in my city, and all I did was give a mayoral candidate some glass bottles he could return for the deposit.

  66. Nocturne says:

    Thompson also circulated public records showing a May, 2006 campaign contribution of $500 from video game publishers’ lobbying group the ESA to Huntsman. In an e-mail, Thompson accused the industry of buying Huntsman’s veto.

    Oh come on, surely someone as dirty as JT know that a veto costs way more than a mere $500

  67. Alevan says:

    There there now. No need to lose your temper now. 🙁 Remember, this is Jack Thompson — He does it to push buttons.

    … but I encourage that someone sue him. He likes to sue others so maybe he should see how the other side feels like.

    Amy Levandoski

  68. ezbiker555 says:

    EXCUSE ME?? WTF DID HE JUST SAY TO ME? Jack Thompson I am now, deciding on wether or I should sue your ass right now. YOU better hope to  god you have a good reason for insulting me like that. You will be hearing from me soon enough. >:(

    ALSO a couple other things, MORAL BOY, I don’t do pot, never wanted to and never needed to. I also Never got a chance to write to the govoner either, but you know what I think will, forwarding your comment about me to him as well so he can see how much of a sore looser you are. I also believe that what your trying to do is going get more people killed. SO when the next school shooting occurs, and games are banned and what not, you will have nothing but yourself to blame for being so ignorant. You and pathetic moral crusade, HOW DARE YOU.

     

    Oh yeah Im PO.

  69. Zero Beat says:

    If it is proven to be him, then we have the  makings of  a libel suit here.  As a friendly reminder, libel is considered a more serious offense than slander, due to the message being preserved for some time..

     

    "That’s not ironic. That’s justice."

  70. Michael Brooks says:

    It does sound like him.

    And I’m loving it.

    Thompson is just being whiny that the industry’s reps are smoother than he is.

  71. nightwng2000 says:

    It’s iffy.  Dennis might choose to overlook it.  But I thought he might want to know because his name was called.

    In shout, Dennis doesn’t think it’s him.  But I think the way the comment is written is what happens when someone is so angry that things didn’t go their way that he’s, in effect, stuttering/sputtering.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

  72. RonnieBarzel says:

    Actually, what I think Nightwing is suggesting is that the comment could be considered libelous and actionable. While Dennis has seemed in the time I’ve lurked around here to be too level-headed to bother with something so frivelous, Nightwing may have a point.

  73. HungryHungryHomer says:

    Me and a friend tried to play a game like this years ago. I ended up drawing a Mountain, a Nettling Imp, a Brujah vampire lord, an eight of clubs and a draw four wild card… We stopped when we realized we didn’t know what the hell we were doing.

    If we could learn the lesson after 14 years of life, why can’t this guy get it after 50+?

  74. Alex says:

    Jack Thompson TCG cards would be easy to make as a universal thing.

    How to play the Jack Thompson TCG:

    1. Select the TCG of your choice.

    2. Make a deck of nothing but Jack Thompson TCG cards.

    3. Find an opponent with a deck of normal cards of the TCG of your choice. Proceed with gameplay as per the normal rules of that TCG. The Jack Thompson TCG cards are compatible with any TCG because no matter which cards you use they will all be hopelessly ineffectual.

    I’m not under the affluence of incohol as some thinkle peep I am. I’m not half as thunk as you might drink. I fool so feelish I don’t know who is me, and the drunker I stand here, the longer I get.

  75. HungryHungryHomer says:

    *Gasp* How dare you sully the talents of Frank Welker by insinuating that he’s really JT in disguise! Why I oughtta… Huh? Oh… sorry.

  76. Leet Gamer Jargon says:

    I’m suprised you haven’t called for the Govenor to be impeached yet.

    Don’t worry; he will soon enough. This bullshit always happens, and it never works.

    Poor, poor dumbass, Mr. Thompson is.

    ———————————————————————————————–

    Game on, brothers and sisters.

  77. Cecil475 says:

    "If your veto is not overridden, then we will be back with a bill to ban the sale of these products altogether, in light of the recent massacres in Germany and in this country directly caused by these murder simulation products that are being copycatted by teens who are being fraudulently sold them."

    That’s Germany DUMB@$$!! What does that have to do with the here and now? Germany goes on a banning offensive everytime there is a mass killing it seems like and it only seems to make matters worse! Course, only YOU would enjoy having something banned for everyone. Best of luck with that one.

    Also enjoy the support of the Eagle Fourm while you still can. Like the NIMF, they to will eventually see that you are bonkers and will not want to have anything to do with you. Then what? Call for Gayle Ruzicka to be kicked out of the Eagle Forum? Demand to take her place at the helm? I’m suprised you haven’t called for the Govenor to be impeached yet.

     – Warren Lewis


    R.i.P GamePolitics 2005-2016

  78. demonfoo says:

    Hah, no doubt. Personally, if I were the governor of Utah, I’d be offended. Not by Jack saying he’s taking bribes disguised as campaign contributions (so much), but that the loyalty of a state governor can be had for such a cheap price. I mean seriously, $500? That’s just cold.

  79. Arell says:

    $500?  Holy crap!  I’ve got that saved up.  I was going to upgrade my PC, but now I think I’ll buy a Governor.  I’ve got a few laws I need passed.

  80. demonfoo says:

    Or maybe a real gag. And a straitjacket? And maybe send the nice men in white coats to come and get him.

    Really though, that is some serious delusion he’s got going on there. Just… wow. Where does he get this stuff?

  81. Wimblesaurus says:

    What a sad, green little turd of a failure Jack Thompson is.  As a father, as a lawyer, and as just a human being in general.  Seriously, how was this guy raised?

  82. Zerodash says:

    Wow, MILLIONS of lives.  He must think he is some kind of superhero.  After all, he did think he was Batman for awhile…

  83. Zero Beat says:

    Slander is spoken.  Libel is written.  This would be libel, which is considered worse than slander because slander is a one-time message, while libel is a semi-permanent message that can endure for hours, days, weeks, etc. until the libelous message is removed.

     

    "That’s not ironic. That’s justice."

  84. The Hangd Man says:

    Sadly, I’d say thats a pretty pathetic nemesis. Not nearly on the same level as say Shingen or Kenshin. Shoot, he’s not even at the same level as Bricktop, but at least Bricktop’s description of a nemesis applies to JT fairly well.

     

    I hate broccoli/ and think it totally sucks/ Why isn’t it meat?

  85. Saxy says:

    Hush now, don’t ruin his moment. You don’t need to bring him down with your dumb "logic" or the "constipation of the Untied states". Jack doesn’t really care. In fact, he’ll create his own country just for the sake of passing anti-game laws in it.

  86. MonkeyPeaches says:

    Jack would try to pass a bill to ban video games altogether? that would be unconstitutional.

  87. Alevan says:

    There is also this response too from the same website.

    @Zerodash

    Dont forget to take your medication, Just get back to playing your suicide game and get good at it, Gov. Huntsman as you know was forced threatened by the ESA/MPAA and obviously loser’s like Dennis and gamers into vetoing what could have possibly have saved thousands,If not millions of human lives, Oh wait, I guess your brains are so decayed into goo; concerning after the recent events in germany,I will be forced to call the NSA or the FBI to have ESA/MPAA and Dennis investigated, Dennis if you can hear me, I’ll make sure lying cheating vultures in a corrupt industry like you never harm innocent people, Morality is dead or Dying and loser’s like you are just concerned about how many people you can kill before pulling the trigger,I will call on Huntsman to discuss what’s been going on and demand to know what is the best possible solution to have the bill revived.

    He REALLY hates Dennis. Wow. COOL, Dennis has his own arch nemesis!

    Amy Levandoski

  88. BearDogg-X says:

    I noticed that the DesNews deleted that comment from the thread.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.


    Proud supporter of the New Orleans Saints, LSU, 1st Amendment; Real American; Hound of Justice; Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always

    Saints(3-4), LSU(7-0)

  89. sortableturnip says:

    2ND PART OF JT’S RESPONSE JUST POSTED:

    @Zerodash

    Dont forget to take your medication, Just get back to playing your suicide game and get good at it, Gov. Huntsman as you know was forced threatened by the ESA/MPAA and obviously loser’s like Dennis and gamers into vetoing what could have possibly have saved thousands,If not millions of human lives, Oh wait, I guess your brains are so decayed into goo; concerning after the recent events in germany,I will be forced to call the NSA or the FBI to have ESA/MPAA and Dennis investigated, Dennis if you can hear me, I’ll make sure lying cheating vultures in a corrupt industry like you never harm innocent people, Morality is dead or Dying and loser’s like you are just concerned about how many people you can kill before pulling the trigger,I will call on Huntsman to discuss what’s been going on and demand to know what is the best possible solution to have the bill revived.

  90. gamadaya says:

    Jack Thompson: I want a do over!

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    Believe in something! Even if it’s wrong, believe in it! -Glenn Beck

  91. CMiner says:

    Another conspiracy accusation?  Who’da thought?  Of course, its simply not possible that a rational, logical adult would find fault with anything Thompson does/supports, therefore any opposition is obviously either an oblivious moron, a tool of the industry, or being blackmailed.  It all makes sense.

    And also LOL at the fact that he’s accusing others of not wanting to do exactly what he is trying to prevent.  What good is parental intervention/education if the government decides -it- is the parent?

  92. nightwng2000 says:

    From the Desert News comments section:

    http://deseretnews.com/user/comments/1,5143,705293125,00.html

    "

    Jack Thompson | 9:43 a.m. March 26, 2009

    @Ezbiker, Why dont you put your pot stick where your mouth is, The morality in america is now dead. I really do demand a redo or possibly a recount of the opinions of Gov.Huntsman, Huntsman as you know, was probably being blackmailed or harrassed by morons like you including dennis mcauley himself,Obiviously morons like you never heard of racketeering?, Oh wait, Obvious your to busy teaching children that it’s okay to let them touch the smut than educated them about the poison that’s harming the lives of people each day."

     

    "Huntsman as you know, was probably being blackmailed or harrassed by morons like you including dennis mcauley himself,…"

    Your call.

    Nightwng2000

    NW2K Software

    Nightwng2000 has also updated his MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

  93. GoodRobotUs says:

    Sorry to repeat myself but….

    He would’ve gotten away with it too, if it hadn’t been for those pesky kids….

  94. PHX Corp says:

    After that statement Thompson made, He may not be seeing a next time(because if he said that he’ll tell the FBI(or NSA), 99 out of 100 time they’ll ignore him or decide to investigate him)

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

  95. Michael Chandra says:

    Uhm… 2004 was over 4 years ago. He got re-elected at the end of 2008, so the donation probably came nearly 5 years ago, not 3.

  96. Sukasa says:

    "By playing the old cards out of his deck"

     

    I totally wish i was skilled and had the time to sit down and make some Jack Thompson TCG cards.  Jack Thompson plays his "___________" card against the Governor of Utah "Veto Card"

  97. mogbert says:

    OK, for all of those pointing out that $500 three years ago wasn’t enough to buy off the govenor, I think you are missing a key factor.

    Jack doesn’t care.

    It isn’t about the truth, it never was. Come on, when JT found the forged signature on an inconsequential document in the judges paperwork, was he worried she might actually be a communist? Was he worried that this had any real effect on his case? No. He didn’t care, it was just a tool to use to try and get his way.

    Five hundred dollars would get you a plate at one of their campaign fund raisers. He knows that is nothing. For him, it is just a tool to try and swing gullible public opinion. This is why he doesn’t state how much money when trying to get his word out to the public. He just says "money" and hopes that the public will assume it was enough money to do what he is claiming it did.

    Right now, we can only hope that he does what he does best, turn friends into enemies, grandstand, and attack. By playing the old cards out of his deck, like he seems to be doing, he will let the Utah public (and more importantly the legislature) see him for what the people of Florida have already seen through.

    His first step was attacking the govenor. This won’t earn him any brownie points. He sees everyone as either a friend or an enemy. Now that he no longer sees the govenor as a friend, he is attacking him as an enemy. Eventually they will see he is too mercurial to be of any use. Would you keep a dog that would turn on you if you told him not to piddle on the carpet?

  98. 1AgainstTheWorld says:

    No way.  He’d probably label that as "gay sex" and accuse me of raping him, which I learned from that "new" Japanese videogame that’s available to buy "everywhere".

  99. JB says:

    I think Thompson needs a hug! Poor guy! Someone go give Thompson a hug and a kiss onthe forehead to make him feel better.

     

     

  100. vellocet says:

    He seriously thinks he can do anything.  But as history has shown, he can’t even keep his law license.

  101. Zerodash says:

    Jack seriously thinks that he can get a total ban on videogames passed?  Good luck there, Mr. "First Amendment Expert". 

  102. Cheater87 says:

    Ban videogames all together. Looks like Jack was telling the truth in his plan to do that in his letter to Obama.


  103. Austin_Lewis says:

    No way, Thompson acting like Thompson?  What a surprise.  The man just exudes an aura of suck 24 hours a day.  I especially love his threats of banning anything, that’s SURELY constitutional.  I’d like to see him outlawed, maybe placed in a small cell where he can’t spread his crazy any further.  God the man is annoying.  Braindead, as well.

    God, JT is a moron.  I’ve never seen a dumber man in my life.

  104. CMiner says:

    "…in light of the recent massacres in Germany and in this country directly caused by these murder simulation products that are being copycatted by teens who are being fraudulently sold them."

    A) Causation has still not been proven.  At all.  Deal with it.

    B) The Germany shooting?  The kid had mental problems, and his parents left an unlocked weapon in a bedroom where the kid had easy access to it.  You really think video games are to blame?

    C) Nowhere save in a dictatorship will you succeed in an attempt to ban all violent media, simply because 1) ‘Violent’ is far too broad a term, 2) Such a ban is a 1st Amendment violation (Aren’t you a 1st Amendment ‘expert’?  You should know this) and 3) Once again, causation has not been proven.

    D) Do you really think anyone takes your threats seriously anymore?

  105. sirdarkat says:

     "If your veto is not overridden, then we will be back with a bill to ban the sale of these products altogether, in light of the recent massacres in Germany and in this country directly caused by these murder simulation products that are being copycatted by teens who are being fraudulently sold them."

    And if he has concerns for the above bill being unconstitutional what makes you think he won’t veto a bill that is obviously unconstitutional.

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