Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

March 31, 2009 -

Wait - isn't the Grand Theft Auto player supposed to be the one who turns violent?

It doesn't always work that way, apparently. The Telegraph reports that a British man stabbed his wife to death, in part over her predilection for playing GTA all through the night:

Malcolm Palmer, 62, turned on the mother of his three children after she became hooked on the violent Grand Theft Auto driving game. He was forced to sleep on a sofa in their conservatory as Carol Cannom, 46, stayed up all night with the 37-inch plasma television screen she brought into their room for her all-night gaming sessions...
 
[Their son] would play... until midnight, after which Ms Cannom would take over, regularly staying up until five or six in the morning, Lincoln Crown Court was told.

"Carol quickly became hooked. He was very unhappy about the amount of time she was playing on the PlayStation," said John Pini QC for the prosecution...

Defence lawyer Timothy Spencer QC told the court: "The genesis of this tragedy bizarrely lies with the purchase of the PlayStation."


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Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Shocking really, and over such a trivial thing. I can't understand that if they had been together for so long they couldn't sort this out peacefully. The mind boggles, it really does.

I feel for the kids, there the ones who are going to suffer now.

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Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Probably wasn't the first thing she had been addicted to.

 

And since everyone else is referencing JT I'll just say that it was probably the M rating that inspired the husband to kill. That letter, "M" just sends shivers down a man's spine because you can't spell murder without  the letter "m" and we all know "M" stands for "murder your wife". Scientific study and the courts in the United Kingdom both show that murder is directly correlated with the bad habits of those murdered and the murderer should be absolved of all responsibility when the murdered person deserved it.

Or maybe God killed her for playing in the first place.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Apparently they already had marital problems. *Understatement of the century*

 

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Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Of course, the GTA Game made the non-Gamer kill. That GTA box cover told him to kill her. I heard it!

 

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Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

#1, I'm dying to see how JT is gonna try to exploit that!

#2, Not taking into account this is gonna sound wrong, but, better the wife than the kids... Would he have stabbed one of his children IF they were the ones playing from 12am to 6am? o.o

 

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

*plays Nintendogs*

*is shot*

*shooter steals Nintendogs from me*

 

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Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Irony at it's finest.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

The man is nothing more than a fucking coward, I hope gets dahmerized in jail.

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Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

I also point to the recent NC nursing home shooting rampage.  The killer was 45 years old.  No games were blamed.  If he was 25...you know what the media would have said.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

You do realise that games are still being blamed for murder, don't all of you? It's just the argument is slightly different, but it still comes down to it, if games didn't exist this crime wouldn't have happened. I don't see much difference in this story as previous articles.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Anybody else remember the gruesom murder where a woman beat her boyfriend to DEATH with an IPOD just because he deleted her songs?  Yeah, most others don't either sadly.  But crap like this seems to stick around like a certain disbarred lurker.  I've heard and seen so many stories of people dying because of this, or killed with that....if it exists...someone can kill someone because of or with an item

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Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

I don't fully comprehend his legal defense nya... His wife was distant and having problems so he killed her?

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

I appreciated the BBC take on this story, where they only focussed on the tragedy, not on any excuses made by the husband and his lawyer.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

I'm pretty sure the genesis of the tragedy lies in a jealous husband who flew into a rage and killed his wife for telling him to move out. Blaming the Playstation is just a lame excuse to try and get away with it.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

I Hope this fucker gets the chair. There is no defence for Murdering your wife. None. The "video games made me do it" is invalid in this situation. Hope he gets hate mail from kids while he's in jail. Old bastard.

 

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Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Dude, chill.

He expressed remorse in the end, telling the 999 person "I'm sorry, I think I killed her."

If anything, it merits life imprisonment.

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Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

"The genesis of this tragedy bizarrely lies with the purchase of the PlayStation."

*sigh* here we go again. Isn't it amazing how no matter the circumstances games are always to blame? Seriously wtf? My mind can't even begin to imagine making that leap.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

You seem to have left out a rather important part of the story:

"The court yesterday (Monday) heard how Palmer had also become convinced that she was having an affair, and went into a violent rage when she told him she wanted him to move out in November last year, threatening that he would never get to see their children again."

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Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

What kind of person lets their spouse play all night up to the point that the tension between them gets murderus?   Obviously their relationship had other problems then just the fight over the playstation... She might have gone on a I Love Lucy marathon and the same thing would have happened.

 

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Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Well this situation is morbidly ironic...

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Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Maybe the "little guy" was too flappy, that's why she liked GTA more...

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Sigh.  Guess we will hear about jackie twisting this in some way to threaten to come to take away our consoles again. 

Even if these were not minors and despite the fact the actual gamer did not commit violence.  Nope that demonic console was in the home and brought the evil in with it. 

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Guess we should start checking the insides of consoles and PCs for satanic symbols.

[sarcasm] Oh snap, I finally get it ,the cooling fans of todays' gaming hardware vaguely resembles a pentagram, so these machines are evil by default, and gamer discs are circle,s os are pentagrams. AGHHHH!!!! [end sarcasm]

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

If I used Jack Thompson logic, I'd say this is categorical proof that NOT playing violent video games will turn you into a murderer.

 

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Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

The Jack Thompson logic is a paradox in itself, the real logic is "whatever I say is right, and whatever disagrees with me is false."

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

This'd make his brain short out.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Like GP was saying, they won't blame the game if the perpetrator is 30+, but then again, he wasn't even playing it, but Keith still found a way around that.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Story #2 that I didn't get credit for posting in the shoutbox......

Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

So, what ,is Thompson going to praise this man or say he was the gamer?

And the man was 63 and the wife 46. None of Vaz, or Germany, Thompson's little asnine laws would have "prevented" this.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Jack would praise him, saying the guy is Jesus come back and his first job was making sure that woman didn't kill anyone.

But this is Jack we're talking about. Only God knows what he'll do with this.

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Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

 

Maybe both JT and Keith Vaz will end up saying the 60-something years old guy murder his wife because he was training on video game. 

 

Not only that, he'll probably say that anyone who murder people and have a video game regardless of age, and if they don't have children have done it because of these "murder simulator".

 

I'll wait till some 50 years old guy shoot up a school.  The shooter killed himself, and when the investigation continue and the police and CSI are at his house.  They find a video game console and couple of violent game (maybe Grand Theft Auto, Halo, Gears of War, Metal Gear Solid 4).  The Shooter doesn't have any children and he live alone.

 

After that, theories about school shooters older then 50 are not gamer get shot down.  Any police, Jack Thompson or his clones will probably claim that any school shooters regardless of their age are video gamers (even though Andrew Kehoe killed a lot of kids and people back in 1927, aka the Bath School Massacre).

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Obviously it was self defense against his gamer wife. He heard gunshots from the other room and... ok, I got nothin'.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Ahh, but don't forget that Thompson, the German President and the head of the German Police Union have called for a complete ban on violent video games. Not like that kind of nonsense would fly in the United States, but it may have more traction in Germany. As for the UK, well...I can't decide how people may react. Hopefully they will be smart, but politicians are not always known for using their brains.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Well, I guess my point was that those bans won't make violence suddenly halt.

The man apparently wasn't a gamer, but he still turned violent.

Playing videogames doesn't suddenly make you violent, while not playing games doesn't automatically make you non violent.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

These days, to call a widespread ban on something popular requires you to become a dictator.I don't think Jack has the smarts or more importantly, charisma, to propagate to that kind of position.

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Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

What? you think that will stop Jack from trying?

Saying that Jack Thompson is impotent is an insult to impotent men everywhere. They've got a whole assortment of drugs that can cure their condition; Jack, however...

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

And of course, from other articles, the "crime of passion" (regarding the accusations of her having an affair and threatening to take the kids away and he never seeing them again) is played down.

Also the fact that they met when he was about 31-32 and she was 16.

And the way one article reads that interviews a 26 year old daughter, the relationship was good but mum was "lonely".  Um, why was she lonely if things were going well?

Methinks there was more to this than what is being reported.  Like maybe the woman was unhappy with the relationship for some reason.  Maybe mister jealous abusive hubby wasn't giving her any attention and she was filling her time with something else. 

Heck, maybe HE did something she caught HIM at and her time spent playing GTA was how she took out her anger.  By killing stuff in the game instead of killing HIM for some really bad stuff.  Only it backfired and he killed HER.

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Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Indeed. It could have been the fact that he never touched her in bed during certain hours so he just simply didn't like the idea that she found time to do something else during the moments she was expecting romantic intimacy. He didn't like the fact he was being replaced by an object and wanting to kick him out. So instead of eliminating the competition, he eliminates her!

There's many ways to interpret it as to why he snapped, but it is indeed strange when all the variables aren't noted by the press.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

This proves that *NOT* playing video games causes violent behavior. If only he had joined in with his wife and recieved the therapeutic release of agression that video games provide, this tragedy could have been averted. Take note, parents: Get violent video games into your kids hands before they snap!

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

He wasn't allowed in, she was forcing him out of the house and planning to get a separation.

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Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Can you blame her? He didn't play video games, and we see here how unstable that makes people! I wouldn't want to be near anyone as dangerous a non-video game player either.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

I wonder if this will get twisted by the anti-games crowd just like Keith Vaz did with that murder he blamed on Manhunt.

Shittier things have happened...

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

I love it, not only does playing games cause violent behavior, but now just living with someone who plays games can turn you violent. Pretty soon we'll be hearing reports in the media that someone accidently touched a ps3 and turned into a werewolf.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

It's like cigarette smoke.

Second-hand digital murder simulation.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Yeah I'll just take my imaginary asthma gained from a childhood of my mom smoking around me and haul ass? O.O


Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Dude, I was mocking the idea of second hand video game violence.  Not second hand smoking, which I know from personal experience is real.  Chill out.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Man, wish I knew a woman that played games like that...37" TV, up all night...

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Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

If you did, don't expect to be gettin' any lovin' from her- GTA is serious business.

Re: Husband Killed Wife, But She Was The GTA Player

Yeah, but then it wouldn't really be any different for me then! :P

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