Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best Interest

April 2, 2009 -

Spending extra money is good for consumers. Especially if they spend it on Nintendo products...

That seems to be the message from Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Aime, who offered these rather amazing comments to Venture Beat's Dean Takahashi:

VB: Used games are coming up as a big issue again. Why?

RFA: ... We don’t believe used games are in the best interest of the consumer. We have products that consumers want to hold onto... We believe used games aren’t in the consumer’s best interest. [GP: What kind of answer is that? Commendably, Dean calls him on it...]

VB: Because?

RFA: Describe another form of entertainment that has a vibrant used goods market. Used books have never taken off. You don’t see businesses selling used music CDs or used DVDs. Why? The consumer likes having a brand-new experience and reliving it over and over again. If you create the right type of experience, that also happens in video games. [GP: Does Reggie get out of the rarified air of the executive suite much? Used books, movies and CDs are widely available.]

VB: Could this be rectified if the retailers share some of that used game revenue with the publishers?

RFA: That could make it more palatable. But we just think it’s a bad idea... [GP: Here's the big reveal as to where Reggie is coming from. Used games are a bad idea, but not AS bad if Nintendo gets a slice of the action. Please...]

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Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best ...

Wow... talk about being out of touch with reality.

Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best

Used books have never taken off.

*raises hand*

It's called a library. Sure, I may not be able to keep them, or you can if you are that kind of person, but it seems like used books do just fine.

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Sorry to spoil your dream world Reggie, but consumers are VERY interested in used games. Anything that can provide the same experience cheaper is in our interest. Why do you think libraries survive?

I know you are busy plastering your walls with dollar bills, but you need a dose of reality. Get out with some of the people who are paying through their teeth.

Until next time, I spotted a good USED deal I want to go buy... and save me $30.

Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best

F*** Zelda. There. I said it.

Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best

I dunno OOT was ok but not "great" WW was annoying but neat...not to found of TWP..... Zelda needs to get back to basics...... Take the orignail Zelda title give it a few towns, offer more unrestricted control(more like GOW,DMC,ect) with the default option on on the rail control(more like OOT).
Then when you finish it give the option to play the mixed up version(make some towns into dungeons and vice versa) and let you start a game with one weapon and accessory of your choice.

II'd pay 50 for that or Metroid prime 1 and 2 with full button mapping.

 


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Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best ...

Truthiness has struck again. Reggie doesn't care about reality, he knows in his heart that was he says is true.

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There's no truthiness here. I think he knows exactly what he's saying and why, and I think he made it pretty clear when said that used games would be better for the consumer if Nintendo made money off them. I can actually see how that might hurt me as a consumer, if Gamestop just passes the extra 10% kickback on to me and hikes used prices (or cuts trade in values).

I find it hard to believe that the man has never had a hobby. Doesn't matter if it's video games, model trains, or fishkeeping, a good chunk of a serious hobby involves scouring used racks for rare items or bargains. You don't find classic trains, rare cichlid species, or obscure PS1 titles off the retail shelves - even finding them used can be a great stroke of luck.

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Considering tey already hike up the prices for games as is?  I can find a copy of CoD4 and CoD4 GotY Edition athe same exact price of 45$.  Now, last i checked the game is starting to get its wrinkles, especially since CoD:WaW came out (though honestly i'm sure most returned to CoD4).

 

I avoid Gamestop as much as I can.

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 I've been picking up used Books, CDs, Films and Games from Charity shops lately. People are not only willing to get rid of their 'experiences', they're willing to give them away so that charities can make some money out of them. Hell, just last week I picked up The Dilbert Principle and REM's Automatic for the People for about a quid each.

Most books or DVDs I buy come either second hand or heavily discounted from Amazon Marketplace.

 

Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best

What a lying SOB, he knows there are used markets for other forms of media and he says there aren't what aload of BS.

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Dear Mr. Reggie Fils-Aime,

WTF?!

"We don’t believe used games are in the best interest of the consumer."

Says who? You? Who the F*** do you think YOU are trying to speak for ME?! The only best interest is your own. You condemn used games that are sold in Gamestop or other mom and pop stores becuase you arn't getting a piece of the action. You do not get money if I buy Super Mario 3 from Play and Trade, but you do if I buy the same game from the Wii's virtual console. I don't own a Wii, and do not plan on buying a Wii for the forseeable future. I am only intrested in the following consoles. The NES, SNES, and maybe the Gamecube and THAT'S IT! I am building a library of games for THOSE consoles and I doubt you are selling any NEW games for THOSE systems. And I tell you what, your 'concerns' for MY best interest makes me want to buy your products brand new even LESS!

"Used books have never taken off. You don’t see businesses selling used music CDs or used DVDs"

You don't know SHIT!

I go to used bookstores and buy books. I bought one just last week. A Pierce Anthony novel. Mr. Anthony didn't make a cent off that purchace. I don't think Mr. Anthony nor his publisher bitched and made a fuss over it. Used music? I buy used DVD's,CD's,Cassettes, and yes, even vinyl! The RIAA only raises a roal stink if you download the music, but don't give a crap that I bought it used at some small time store on Hillsborough Street. Used clothes, books,music,computers,appliances, TVs and stereos anything you can buy at a thrift or pawn shop. The original makers don't make a fuss over not making any money over the products that are sold there. Only you, and the videogame industry.You are a greedy out of touch pig.

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Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.

Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best ...

When you manage sheeple you tell them what to buy. *lick*

Hes doing whats in best intrest of business.

 


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Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best ...

I am pretty sure we all know Reggie is smarter than the comments he makes. True, he may have been caught off guard by the line of questioning, but I think it's a little more than that: he's being political. He's always been a master at talking around issues so that at the end of the conversation, he really told you nothing of significance, but you're going to print it anyway. This is his experienced way of answering the question without getting himself in trouble. Sometimes it can come off as odd, like the above.

But what is Reggie trying to avoid saying? He cant come out and say "we hate the secondary market because we dont get anything out of it, and F GameStop, Amazon and whoever else sells used games." The line of questioning forces somewhat of this truth, but there is no way Reggie wants to piss off the retailers that are selling his stuff both new AND used. He's the one that would have to face them, not us.

So, he obfuscates and - yay - no call from Don DeMatteo saying "wtf reggie??!!"

Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best ...

It's one thing to be political, it's another to attempt it and come across as a complete dumbass who appears to be ignorant of the world around him.

Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best

Books, Movies, and Music dont regularly sell for over $50, and dont depreciate 90% in a span of 24 months, either.

Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best

I kinda want to say that Nintendo isn't really in consumers best interests either.

Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best

And under deved top heavy blaoted games that cost more are?

I'd say both are to a point.

 


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Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best

I never said that was either. But then agian I beleive there is a bunch of people cynical at Nintendo like Jeff Gertsmann said. "All these so called CORE GAMERS keep saying they want REAL games on the wii, so heres your Punch out, take it. We could do something cool with these motion controls, but no, were remaking Punchout instead. Maybe next time you can have Kid Icurus maybe!"

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Oh come on you can't say that what mainstream supposable hard core gaming is doing that greatly with all they crap they do?

Sure nin is riding the rehash tidal wave  instead of making innovative games like metroid prime one,Zelda OOT, pikkim and others but they are truely no more inncontempt  of quality  than the supposable mainstream industry.

This is what happens when a industry gets fat and content you get a drop in quality across the board.

 


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It's not like I don't hate the third parties putting out garbage on the wii. Everyone working on the wii basically doesn't care about quality except ironically Sega and Sega's partering developers, and look how well the've done. Madworld came in at 31st in the british sales charts on opening week. How sad is that?

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Its not the WII can not push a well built game, its jsut the indutry dose not like making well built games that much.

 


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Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best

More brown damnit!

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Don't forget the dull red,green and gray shades either!!

More dalited "real" color!!!

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 Why dose it take so much processing power to do 4 shades of 5 colors? 0-o


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Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best

And world War II! It has to be a first person shooter in world war II or your doing it wrong!

Though we make exceptions for space marines...

Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best

I would just like to point out that I buy books almost exclusivly from used book stores.  Just saying...

Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best

Same here.

 

And there's this wonderful little store in my area. It has used books, cds, and movies, and they're all free! All you have to do is join their little club, and you can take out a few movies, books, and cds, as often as you want, so long as you bring them back. It's kind of like Netflix, but it's brick and mortar.

 

I think they called the store "Public Library" or something similar.

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Haha! 

I can't take books out of a library... I have a compulsion to own the books I read.

Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best

Yeah, I'm the same way. In college I think I sold 2 or 3 books and kept all the rest. The only time I sell a book now is if I get a better version of it to replace it, like hardback or a first edition.

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Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best

There are some book/series I can't not own. But I like to read, so I can go through a book a week on average. I can't afford to spend that much money on books. Plus, I'd need another room on my house to hold them all!

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Reggie Fils-Aime has been added to my "Douche Bag" list.  If I kept an "Idiot" list, he would go there, too.  Heck, if he keeps talking, Nintendo will be on my blacklist as well.

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A closed pripriatory retail system that only offers stagnant prices with no option of used purchase or sale  only dose one thing, drives up prices.

 


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Yeah, I read this review yesterday. Normally he isn't this bad, but this... it's pretty bad. I buy used books all the time. Used DVD's are a possibility, and used music for the rare time (once) I bought music (Wierd Al CD).

Truth be told, Nintendo doesn't have as big a problem with used game sales as a lot of other people. What has really annoyed me is a lot of games are just about selling a movie experience (maybe 8 hours with little to no replay) at $60. These games get traded in quickly, GameStop gets full of them and starts offering a big discount to keep them flowing. However, a lot of Nintendo games give you 50-100 hours for $50 (not all of them).

Have you TRIED to buy a Nintendo game used? Two years after release and you are lucky if you can get it for $5 less then new. There is kind of a reason that Nintendo games keep selling and selling and selling. Shoot, they have two year old games still on the top 10 game sales of the month! And often more then one two year old game! That is just rediculous. It's like looking at the box office takes of the weekend, and seeing The Incredibles back up there.

So I think the issue is less him having his head stuck up his ___ (although, after the used books comment...) and more with them not really giving it that much thought. They probably have a bigger problem with piracy then used games.

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Yeah, I know! Is it me, or has RFA been more talkative lately? And that's a BAD, BAD thing.

But about the used games, I don't see the big N having a problem. I mean, I walk into a store to buy Pokemon Ruby. The game, last I checked, still costs 25$ or more used. I could buy a NEW Pokemon game for only 5$ or 10$ more. The used game is very likely glitched or modded. The new game will much likely last longer. Which would you buy?

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"We have products that consumers want to hold onto..."

Yes, all those minigame collections for Wii.  You never see those cluttering up the used shelves at GameStop, do you.

Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best

No, but then again no one buys them

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Sadly, yes they do, which is how stores end up with several walls full of used wii games in the first place. Nintendo should be angry at the third party developers who are making so many awful games for their system, not the customers who get pissed off that they wasted $40+ on a piece of shit.

I've worked at GameStop for over 2 years and in that time, I've seen numerous people trade in their Wii with every game they've ever bought claiming their kids just don't play it any more. They usually have nothing but stupid racing games like London Taxi and Ford racing challenge. If they buy them used they can be returned within a week of purchase. If bought new, their only option is to trade in the game to get a small amount of their investment back.

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Well, I guess who your a big, money squandering executive, you can afford to spend fifty, sometimes sixty dollars on a game that may only last a week.

I've finished 90% of most of the games I've owned in under a week. Some of them I am very glad I didn't pay more than thirty dollars for.

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Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best

The used market is more successful than it should be in the video games market because the games are too expensive. Cut the price from $60 to $20 and consumers won't have nearly the incentive to trade in their games.

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To which they reply that the price is what it is because piracy and the second-hand games market are eating their profits.

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I'm sure they will, but I've never ereally understood the argument.

Why does their cost affect what their product is worth to me?  A game is worth £{value} to me.  Charge less than £{value} and I'll buy it.  charge more than £{value} and I won't.  If the game costs them a penny a unit to make or a million pounds, I'm still not going to pay more than it's worth to me.  If  they can't make a profit at the amount I'm willing to pay I won't buy, but it's not my fault that their costs are too high to make a product I want at that price.

Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best

Except that when Valve adjuted prices on Steam they found that they made more money, not less. Sega made more money with a game priced at $20 (NFL2K5) than they did with one priced at $50 (NFL2K4.)

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very funny commentary there(obviously mirrors MST3K), dennis

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America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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Used books have never taken off. You don’t see businesses selling used music CDs or used DVDs.

And yet Amazon.com has a link for practically every item that reads something like "Available new and used from the following sellers." Personally, I'd call that having "taken off".

-Gray17

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Yes there is no market for used movies who buys used Dvds; now excuse me Blockbuster is selling a bunch of dvd rentals for 5 bucks and I see a few I don't have but I want.

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If it weren't for used textbooks, I know more than a few people who would not have been able to afford class material.

Re: Nintendo's Reggie: Used Games Aren't In Consumer's Best

...Used books for college are virtually the norm. I don't think Reggie bought his books..., or he conveniently forgot.

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Yeah seriously.  One of my textbooks this semester was $144.00!  Damn psychology bastards, overpricing their stuff.

I only needed two books, so I thought I was going to get off cheap this time...

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"Yeah seriously.  One of my textbooks this semester was $144.00!  Damn psychology bastards, overpricing their stuff."

You too huh? Which psychology class are you taking? I found my book on half.com for $93. Includes shipping.

  - Warren Lewis

Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.

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Thanks for the color commentary Dennis. Love it.

I can name at least three stores that sell used books, movies, cds and games all under one roof within 15 minutes driving distance from my home. More if you count the ones that sell just one media type used.

Apparently it is bad for consumers to be able to get a return on their investment and find titles at a cheaper price or find them at all.

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