Video Game Bill Fuels Conservative Talk Radio in Utah

Gov. Jon Huntsman (R) may have vetoed HB 353, the Jack Thompson-devised video game bill, but the debate over the bill certainly hasn’t ended.

Thompson recently spent two hours bashing the Guv, Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff and the video game industry on the Utah Eagle Forum Radio Show.

A caller gets into a heated argument with Thompson and the program host at about 30 minutes into the second hour. A second caller gets into it with Thompson and the host right at the end of the second hour.

Of note, we didn’t hear the word "disbarred" during the two-hour program.

You can catch the program here: Hour 1   Hour 2

HB 353 sponsor Rep. Mike Morley (R) debates the merits of the bill with Sean Bersell, VP of Public Affairs on Inside Utah Politics (fast forward to 28:00).

Gayle Ruzicka, president of the Utah Eagle Forum, urges an override of Huntsman’s veto on yet another episode.

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  1. mthiel says:

    There was a caller, Tom, who asked "The games work on levels, and don’t they create a craving to get to the next level and not botch it up?" (14:30 mark on hour 2). That’s a very strange question. To me, if this caller has to ask what a level is, he has never played a video game in his life.

    And Jack seemed to answer a completely different question altogether, where he rants about kids craving more perverse and violent games, as well as developers purposely putting sex and violence in later stages in the game so parents, after looking at an early stage in the game, would be fooled into thinking the games are innocent (!!!).

    To be fair, caller Tom had another question about shooting aliens vs. shooting human beings. I think that is a fair question, at least compared to the question about levels (It’s as if this was a debate on guns, and caller Tom asks a legitimte question, such as if existing laws are fair or not, and then asking "Isn’t it true that guns require bullets?").

  2. android24 says:

    Also, we can’t have a loving relationship, just a violent, sexual one unless we get counseling.

  3. android24 says:

    JT pisses me off so much with his bullshit. Whether it comes to his discussion of the "mall rampage" option in GTA games where you must enter a busy mall, get to a high point, and killing as many people as you can, or whether it’s his claim that you MUST kill a prostitute after an interactive movie of having sex with her, it becomes very hard to hear him talk without getting angry. Thank God for Stacy for at least supporting us.

  4. Wolvenmoon says:

    Look at Mike Huckabee, he tends to have his head on his shoulders pretty well.

    Once the old farts start dying off, we may be able to clear out some of the silliness in the party.

    ..though the idea of a party of government is regulation of how the government affects our lives. So yes, they’re going to want to have government intervention in some areas.


    I will not buy securom games. and

  5. Wolvenmoon says:

    Funny how a lot of the responses to this are from many readers basically saying that somehow all stupid people are conservative Christians that have been programmed into their beliefs. (I said that how I meant it)


    I believe it was yoda that said : "The force is in everything…it surrounds us, binds us together."

    That’s in a galaxy far far away. On earth this phrase I will say this with absolute certainty : "The stupid is in everything…it surrounds us and binds us together." Far right and far left people politically are the ‘jedis’ of our world – they wield the stupid as a weapon.

    Stupid is worn like a badge by some. They’re tricked by ‘stupid’ into believing that they’re somehow ‘smart’ and incapable of error.

    Both far right and far left are our ‘dark sides’, there is no light side to ‘stupid’, only degrees of it. The root of all evil is ‘stupid’, and the root of all hatred is ‘stupid’. Want me to just outright make my point? Fine.

    There is no black and white about any two groups. If you lock yourself into believing that you, or how you see a situation or group, is 100% correct, or even 90% correct, maybe even 70% correct, you are very likely stupid. Don’t do this. Human error is everywhere.

    Stupid people ruin good things for others and themselves. Learn opposing sides, challenge your own beliefs, and to paraphrase from the Bible – misconceptions of which are the root of much ‘stupid’ – "Remove the plank from your own eye before bugging someone about a speck in theirs".

    Remove some stupid from your life – judge an individual based on themselves,  not a group based on a stereotype.

  6. Pixelantes Anonymous says:

    "I can’t believe how many people have bought into this snake oil salespitch for people like JT."

    A lie stops being a lie if you repeat it often enough.

    But what do you expect from sheep? This country hasn’t had proper debate about any issue for at least 2 or 3 decades and as a consequence people know jack shit about nothing. For a habitual liar like Jackhole it’s pretty easy to convince the sheep of pretty much anythng…all he has to do is invent a few facts about whatever he’s spouting and there it is.

  7. ryagor says:

    Did anyone notice how he tries to claim that the movie store was being bad by renting Harris and Klebold an R rated movie? They were both 18 at the time. Sorry Jack, I thought this was your favorite case. I thought you’d at least know the facts on that one.

  8. malignent says:

    This is why I’m switching to an Independent.  I am a conservative, but the Republican party has gone insane, it was a party that believes in less governemnt intervention, yet they are on this insane crusade for MORE governement intervention when it comes to games WTH.

  9. Hackangel says:

    I listened to the "Inside Utah Politics" show and I was suprised. That show was excellent. The hosts invited someone from the industry and representatve Morley about the bill. Rep. Morley was quite the departure from Thompson. He was respectful, presented his arguments intelligently and truthfully and never once interrupted the opposition. He went as far as to say that the industry did a great job so far policing itself. You may not agree with his posisition but so far, rep. Morley seemed to have shown his willingness to listen to opposition and to debate.

    The Utah Eagle forum show was, unsurprisingly, full of misinformation and flat-out lies. The first of which was from the host when she presented the "attorney" from Florida. Thompson took the Counter-Strike/Virginia Tech connection even further saying that Law Enforcement officials found that Cho played C.S. We all know that Law Enforcement officials said they had no reason to believe Cho played violent videogames and the C.S. source was a small quote by high school aquaintances in an online article, removed before going to print because it wasnt credible enough.

    Personnally, I pity the host Maryanne. Like a caller said, I wouldnt say (yet) that the Utah Eagle forum is evil or enablers of evil but they are certainly deceivers and deceived.

  10. mthiel says:

    I was hoping that one of the callers would explain that there is *no evidence whatsoever* that Cho played "Counter-Strike" at VT.

    But, at least JT actually called the game by its correct name "Counter-Strike" instead of "Counter-Strike Half-Life".

  11. JDKJ says:

    The Governor of Virginia enpaneled a blue ribbon commission to investigate the facts surrounding the V-Tech shooting. The resulting Report, fully embraced by the Governor, finds that the only video game Cho played with any regularity was Sonic the Hedgehog.

    Of course, I’d imagine that’s Jack-O’s able to dismiss the Report as part of a huge cover-up, bought and paid for by the video game industry. You know, the same industry which foisted off the "lone gunman" theory on the American public.  

  12. TBoneTony says:

    I think I can answer that one.

    From what I know from radio talk shows, the person in charge of the talk show can chose selectively who gets to talk when they ring up, so it can be the case that there were something like more than 50 gamers who rang up, wanting to make people aware that JT was a disbarred lawer, but they would not get on the radio talk show because the person in charge of the show would never want themselves to be humilliated for allowing a disbarred lawyer on what many of their listeners would believe to be a talk show that is about the truth.

    Also given the fact that this radio show was runned by the Eagle Forum, gives me the feeling of the bias of the show.

    Also trying to shine a light into the legitimatcy of the guest (in this case JT), I would think that the Eagle Forum runned Talk Show would have had more sence to know excactly that there would be as many people wanting to point out a few corrections in their ‘so called’ legislation that anyone who sounds smart or knows allot more about Videogames than they do would perhaps not even allow them to be on radio at all.

    Like think about it, the Eagle Forum have been backing this bill and have been safe Harboring JT after his disbarrment from the Florida bar.

    These people are smart enough to have their own radio station to preach their own lies and slander about the Videogame Industry to those people who may not understand anything about Videogames and may take their words for it.

    I think these people are really smart and there is no way any of us can really argue against them especilly on their radio show when even one person was good enough to be heard on the radio but was continually being interupted and threatened by JT and the radio host allowed that to go on while at the same time stopping many other gamers from even being on the talk radio show because of the risk of having their lies and slander found out by the general public.

    Anyway, they can talk and spread their lies all they want, they are going to be loosing their audience anyway once when the Videogame Generation grows up and then there will be not many people they could fool anymore than they can now.

    Plus the most important battle to win is not on radio, not in a TV debate but in the law of the court which can decide this bill.

    The Eagle Forum can do all they can to pass the bill though a 2/3rds of approval to overcome the AG’s veto, but that won’t mean that the courts won’t stop it as being unconstitutional or even a danger for many uninformed parents who really need someone to explain the ESRB ratings to them and not having to hear the trash that the Eagle Forum and that some politicians do in order to gain public votes.

  13. Father Time says:

    I think there are emulators out there but I don’t know how well they work (I doubt my laptop can handle a PS2 emulator that well so I don’t look for them).


    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

  14. olstar18 says:

    Funny how the host refused to react to the fact that Jack S*** kept interupting the only caller that didn’t agree with him. I have been wanting to see one of his debates and I suspect that he uses the same tactics. Constant interruptions to 1. keep them from building a head of steam and 2. to try and make them lose their temper so they take away any legitimacy their argument may have on their own while constantly mentioning children so that people subconsiously think that whoever is speaking against his idea is speaking against protecting children. The first part is childish but the second part is apparantly quite effective. Few of those callers supporting Jack seemed a bit over the top, maybe he should hire better actors.

  15. potatojones83 says:

    Seriously, alot of the stuff Shakespeare came up with makes most of the stuff in GTA look pretty tame by comparison…and I rather enjoy Shakespeare. You think that’s a commentary on me?

  16. PHX Corp says:

    yep, Jackiepoo is getting desprate badly, though he is one step away from the funny farm IMO

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

  17. MonkeyPeaches says:

    Jack said if the veto isn’t overturned, he would be back with a bill to ban the sale of any video game to anyone. Now that definitly would be unconstitutional.

  18. JDKJ says:

    That "emotional guy" is none other than Alan Osmond of Osmond Brothers fame. I wouldn’t doubt the sixteen grandkids claim. It’s Utah and Mormons. A family of a dozen or more siblings is not an uncommon occurence out there. And, yes, he sounds as if he’s a couple fries short a Meal Deal. Which may explain why he’s consorting with Jack Thompson.

  19. Doom90885 says:

    Ironic how JT has such a hissy fit at the debate where somone comes and insults him but he sees nothing wrong with making comments wishing death on ppl associated with someone who doesn’t share his twisted hypocritical point of view. I’m an independant but I have more beef with conservatives because they seem to force their personal beliefs down everyone’s throats thru the govt. Alevan my friend you couldn’t hit the nail on the head any better about ppl wanting tge govvt to do a job that they signed up for the day their children were born. Granted that the best parent can’t be on top of their kids’ 100% of the time but these ppl don’t even try. And then they find the nearest scapegoat to blame. And without turning this into a gun issue since these are ultra conservatives how can they defend firearms and trash games with a straight face? Its funny how most ppl hate govt intervention so much (I personally do unless basically a state of emergency) but then piss and moan saying the govt needs to step in and regulate this regulate that just like how JT and his cronies dismiss science except when its convenient to his backward cause.


    In Scapegoats We Trust

  20. TBoneTony says:

    Not going to listen, because there could be a counter on that thing that promotes that radio show.

    Perhaps a written transcript would have been nice Dennis. but I am sure you are busy with your daily life just like all of us.

    As for what I have read, wow…that radio show is just a piece of sensationalistic crap.

    When the people who were talking resonable and trying to stand up for Videogamers, they got completely bashed by JT.

    It was as if the radio show was runned by bullies and anyone who was trying to talk some scense was just being called a ‘Looser’ not only by JT but by also the radio announcer.

    This was a Conservative Talk Radio by the way…so there is bound to be a chance when a talk radio is just there to fuel arguments where it is hard to talk clearly.


  21. Cecil475 says:

    The emotional guy leaves me an impression that he is bullshitting. I could be wrong, but it is the vibe I’m getting. Sixteen grandkids? Big family? Little videos? Keeps congragulating Jack and Jack alone? Even his ‘crying’ sounds fake.

    I could be wrong though.

     – Warren Lewis

    R.i.P GamePolitics 2005-2016

  22. PHX Corp says:

    I think he(JT) is losing the fight for his maturity(when it came down to his mentality)

    I think he has a dangerous combination of Obsessive compulsive disorder(mentioning violent Video games such as counter-strike and GTA) and Narccristic personality disorder(that’s what i think he has when it comes down to this)

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

  23. PHX Corp says:

    I don’t want to listen to the show, It’s so bad(because of a very sick, peverse comment that JT wished death on one of the callers child)

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

  24. MartyB says:

     I can’t do it, i tried to listen to the show… but i just can’t

    Like at the begining, just before Jack goes on, she says that it’s not the violence in video games she’s against, it’s because the kids are starting to kill each other because of it…  wait what?  how can you say that with a straight face.  I can picture it now, a army of crazy, zombie like children killing every thing in sight, with JT hidden in the closet saying repeadely "I told SO!!!"

  25. Linkoman says:

    Drakengard kinda sounds like one of those reality shows where ya got a bunch of crazy people in a house together. kinda wanna play it =P

  26. potatojones83 says:

    So according to one of the callers we are all either "evil, enablers of evil or deceived for playing or supporting these games and we are all a few bricks short of a load as well". For those interested that caller shows up about 3/4 of the way into the 2nd hour.

    I can’t believe how many people have bought into this snake oil salespitch for people like JT. They like to make it sound like if we just get rid of all the violent games our schools will become a safe haven and our children will enter into a euphoric utopia the likes of which the world has never seen. The only thing preventing this are the immoral, evil heads of these video game corporations who only care about money. Do these people even stop to think about factors such as home life? How many of these shooters were abused, phsyically, mentally, sexually? What kind of mental health issues did they have? What was their social life like? What kind of people did they tend to hang out with? Did they abuse any kind of drugs or alchohol? Did they have a history of discipline problems and/or vilent behavior to begin with? Well, maybe I’m just "evil" or perhaps simply "deceived" but I would think those fators weigh much more heavily than what video game they played.

    And kudos to the caller Stacey for calling out JT. He brought up one of the simplest rules of debate, one of the first things you learn is that if you argue with emotion instead of logic (i.e. JT crying on about Paducah and Columbine "Oh, you’re right, I’m sorry. Paducah and Columbine never happened. I was wrong. All those victims were just fantasy, you’re right") you weaken yourself and your point of view. Stacey called him out and the only JT had to back it up was completely twist around anything Stacey said and yell/interrupt/try to overpower him anytime he tried to say something, which is another sign of a weak viewpoint. I don’t have anything logical to back up what I’m saying so I’m going to make sure you don’t have a chance to provide a counter-point.

    Certainly kids shouldn’t be playing GTA, but a complete ban? Where will it stop? Will we have a complete ban on ALL games after that? How long until movies get targeted? Then music? When will we see theatre on the chopping block? Are we not too far away from seeing Shakespeare censored? Will ‘Lord of the Flies’ no longer be read in school because of the violence towards children found within?

  27. axiomatic says:

    Jeez… all this did for me is reenforce that I would not let any of these crazy consevatives in to my home or near my children. When your lifestyle/religion/fear take hold of you to the point that you feel you need to make LIFE LIMITING decisions for others AGAINST THEIR WILL it is then time to reevaluate your life and the morals you live by.

    I used to take a "live and let live" outlook on things but damn… these people are delusional. Please, go sell your crazy talk elsewhere away from my life.

  28. Alevan says:

    I’m listening to the show and the lady irritated me with the first line – "Yes. We are the land of the free and we are becoming less free every day. The Governer decided to make it less free for parents to protect their kids and vetoed the HB 353."

    How is that making it less free? The BILL alone would have done that. If you need a law to tell parents how to raise your children then you should not have kids at all. It is YOUR responsibility as a parent to know what is in the games your children play and what they are allowed to do.

    No, I will not lie about what is in them. There are games I would never let Aaron, my nephew, play. Being I grew up playing video games and have a good idea of the ESRB Rating system, I know what will or will not be good for him. I won’t lie; some things in games ARE a little disgusting and perhaps too graphic. Do you see me trying to block it with a unconstitutional bill? No!

    The fact of the matter is that you need to stop depending on the government to do the job you are supposed to do. Sometimes, video games can teach you the harsh realities of life and not sugar coat some things. Life isn’t about Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and every day isn’t a happy day. There is war. There is death. There is a lot of sick things and sometimes, kids need to see it in a way that isn’t truly exposing them to the harshe climate. They NEED to know that it exists.

    Besides… Where was good ol’ JT when Drakengard was out? He was busy trying to ban GTA for immoral things. Drakengard had a canniblizing crazy elf chick, a little boy with a twin sister who ran a sadistic cult that was out to destroy the world, a blind man who was quite into pedophilia, a goddess who "loved" her brother(and we’re not talking brotherly) and so much more stuff that could screw with your head! They had to tone it DOWN from the original japanese version, and Square Enix made this game. Where were they then? That had a lot of things that could be considered worse then GTA and yet they did nothing.

    The point? RAISE YOUR CHILDREN. Stop depending on the government to do it for you. It is YOUR job as parents to guide them and teach them the difference between reality and fantasy! If you can’t even do that then allow someone else who will because that is helping the problem JT and this other lady is trying to stop!

    (and for the record, I have nothing against Drakengard. I thought it was cool at how they threw out all the cliches and threw in things that weren’t normal in games… and the alternate endings were screwed up. I just had enough of JT and these people spreading this false idea that the government has to raise their kids.)

    Amy Levandoski

  29. TBoneTony says:

    I have a few members of my family who are Christian and who are conservatives, but I don’t think of them as anything bad.

    So yeah, it is hard to stand up for yourself when there are so many bad examples of people who seem to have a generalized representation of yourself.

    You know what?

    I think that we all need to calm down and think of the words of what King Soloman said to his sons.

    “Do onto others as you wish to have done onto yourself.”

    In other words, treat others the same way you wish to be treated.

    Sadly that sort of thing in real life does not really attract any real newswothry attention and I guess that is a sad fact of life sometimes.

  30. C. Aaron Browbowski Jr. says:

    one thing, I am a conservative, but I don’t necessarily agree with what they are saying 100 % of the time now. e.g., of course, do violent video games turn people into star craving mass murders? i mean come on….if you do then you drank the kool-aid again!

    Jesus Jack Jones Thompson loves you, so die for him instead or the other way around so he can sue your ass back to the stoneage (oooh upgrade!)

  31. Father Time says:

    There are evil selfish bastards out there but what I can’t believe is that some people think their numbers are really big and that a large number of them got together to form the Deomcrat party or the Republican party.


    Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it’s over they have the same positions they started in.

  32. Cecil475 says:

    "Meh, I don’t have the willpower to listen to 2 hours of conservative talk radio.  I’ll just assume that it’s a bunch of zealots yelling passionately about nothing, turning it into something, and gettting easily lead sheep all riled up.  I unfortunately have a roommate that listens to Alex Jones in the afternoons, and while it’s not exactly "conservative" (more like anti-government conspiracy theory), I get the jist of what talk radio has devolved into."

    It can’t be too conservative, they are getting news reports from CNN. Grandmother is on the far right and won’t go near CNN.

     – Warren Lewis

    R.i.P GamePolitics 2005-2016

  33. Arell says:

    Yeah, I supose you’re right about that.  The far Left is just as bad as the far Right.  I particularly hate it when the liberals paint all religious people as fundamentalist nutjobs.  I’m agnostic myself, but I don’t hate people that are Christian.

    While some might disagree with me, I’ve found most NPR programming to be moderate.  Yes, they have a slight liberal leaning, but they also seem to give equal time to opposing views.

  34. Zevorick says:

    Oh they definately want less government involvement… in dealings that involve them directly. They then feel completely justified in turning around and demanding more government involvement in issues that displease them, such as vidya games. 😉


    So basically "I don’t like this! Do something about it! No don’t do that! that’ll cut into my profits!!!"

    Gross overgeneralization aside, they look out for their best interests… just like liberals and other politicians do. They aren’t any different. They’re just more annoying

  35. Zerodash says:

    Conservatives will talk about things like less government involvement in people’s lives and affairs, and yet turn right around and push for laws that do that very thing.  It is mindboggling how they can constantly walk this line of hypocracy over and over again. 

    These same people are also the staunchest opponents of Islamic fundamentalism you can find, and yet want to impose laws and lifestyles that would make the Taliban proud.

    The best is how they enjoy the freedom of speech they get through their talk radio, and then seek to take away those freedoms from those deemed not "moral" enough (which simply means "not Christian enough"). 

  36. PHX Corp says:

    That shows JT he acts like a Childish sociopath(JT wishing death on a person’s child by school shooting)

    Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

  37. lumi says:

    "I’ll just assume that it’s a bunch of zealots yelling passionately about nothing, turning it into something, and gettting easily lead sheep all riled up."

    That sounds like a great summary, actually =)

  38. Galthromir says:

    The other end of the spectrum is just as bad, basically saying conservatives are the root of all evil. I actually heard one talk show the other day blame 9/11, the war in Iraq, and just about everything else imaginable on…..the Fed! Yes, the Federal Reserve has been behind it this whole time! And they would’ve gotten away with it too if it weren’t for those meddling reporters and their talk show!

    Seriously, this country needs to temper our politic bullshit. There are merits to both sides arguements, and there are cons. You’d think from some of these people that members of the opposite party are some kind of horrid demon that consumes babies..geez.

    One cavet to the above. Jack Thompson’s arguements have no merit ;P

  39. Arell says:

    Meh, I don’t have the willpower to listen to 2 hours of conservative talk radio.  I’ll just assume that it’s a bunch of zealots yelling passionately about nothing, turning it into something, and gettting easily lead sheep all riled up.  I unfortunately have a roommate that listens to Alex Jones in the afternoons, and while it’s not exactly "conservative" (more like anti-government conspiracy theory), I get the jist of what talk radio has devolved into.

  40. Mattsworkname says:

    Don’t suppose we could get a transcript of it, i don’t have the will power or patience to listen to two hours of that junk, but I would like to read it when I have  the time.



    Yukimura is still here. "Well done Yukimura. You are japans greatest hero. Now, the chaos ends." Spoken by Tokugawa Ieyasu to Yukimura sanada just moments before Yukimuras death in Samurai warriors 1.

  41. hellfire7885 says:

    So he’s basically admitting he enjoys school shootings. Giving how much of a parasite he is then I’m not surprised.

  42. NovaBlack says:

    wow @ JTs straw man argument.

    A caller simply says he doesnt agree with the bill, so JT says that the caller is saying 90% of the utah congress are idiots, and that he’d be happy to see his daughter buried after a school shooting. Then later questions who the caller was ‘affiliated’ with.

    Just what.

    absolutely baffling comments.  

  43. hellfire7885 says:

    Says a lot about their arguments when they need to keep interupting their opponents.

  44. Flyinmx says:

     I’d give that guy a bit of credit in the second hour. He’s a rare breed, he doesn’t play games (at least violent ones, as he said) but he respects the rights of gamers to play what they want and sees JT for what he really is.

    Too bad the guy couldn’t finish a sentence before being interrupted by one of them. 

  45. Arell says:

    Old people used to sit out on the porch and complain about how different and scary the world has become, leaving them behind.  Turns out that listening to old farts complain about those "darn kids and thier rock and roll" is good for ratings.

  46. hellfire7885 says:

    Heh, you know, most game critics seem to look older and more stressed than those who don’t raise a stink about it.

  47. BearDogg-X says:

    More pathetic bitching and moaning from the Metropolitian Moron of Miami. Bashing a highly popular Governor is not help your cause one bit, then again the biggest detremient to said "cause" has been Thompson himself.

    Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra.

    Proud supporter of the New Orleans Saints, LSU, 1st Amendment; Real American; Hound of Justice; Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always

    Saints(3-4), LSU(7-0)

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