Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's Rampage?

April 7, 2009 -

Conservative T.V. talking head Glenn Beck has entertained the notion that video game violence leads to the real thing, but in the aftermath of Sunday's triple cop slaying in Pittsburgh, some critics are drawing a connection between Beck's on-air political rants and accused killer Richard Poplawski's horrific rampage.

The Daily Beast reports that the 22-year old Poplawski is a white supremacist and conspiracy theorist who harbored fears that President Obama will seek to establish some type of "new world order" and remove guns from private citizens.

Poplawski is also a Beck fan:

The alleged killer posted a YouTube clip to [white supremacist site] Stormfront of top-rated Fox News host Glenn Beck contemplating the existence of FEMA-managed concentration camps... Three weeks later, Poplawski posted another Youtube clip to Stormfront, this time of a video blogger advocating “Tea Parties,” or grassroots conservative protests organized by Beck and Fox News contributor Newt Gingrich against President Barack Obama’s bailout plan...

David Neiwert, a veteran reporter on right-wing militia movements... explained that by co-opting conspiratorial rhetoric from the farthest shores of the right, mainstream conservative talkers can inflame the passions of paranoiacs like Poplawski to a dangerous degree...

 

"What it does is unhinge fringe players from reality and dislodges them even further. When someone like Poplawski hears Glenn Beck touting One World Government and they’re gonna take your gun theories, they believe then that it must be true. And that’s when they really become crazy.”


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Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's ...

The conservative base hardly has the lion's share of blind devotees that will cling to their ideals no matter what.  I can think of plenty of individuals that your rant could apply to on the leftist side and they too defy logic if you attempt to debate with them.  Simple fact: people are ridiculous in general.

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Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's ...

This is not a left/right argument.

I don't agree with censoring pundits like this, but the general populace should be educated about them.  Instead, they're being educated BY them.

And what are they saying? You must fight tyranny in any way you can.  The government is against you.  You have to take it back. (I'm paraphrasing)

And the right tend to have more guns than the left.

There are definitely nutjobs on the left too, but they just stop shaving their armpits.

This is significantly different than videogames because none of the games you play tell you to go out and kill people/that the world they portray is real/you are in real danger/go cook a delicious meal.

------- Morality has always been in decline. As you get older, you notice it. When you were younger, you enjoyed it.

Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's ...

The nutjobs on the left have the same capacity for violence as the nutjobs on the right.  The problem is the general stereotype of the Bible-thumping, gun-toting, militia man is contrasted against the aging smelly hippy.  A lot of your eco terrorists have a far leftist agenda and resort to bombs or other means to vandalize and terrorize.

But I agree with you.  It is an issue because it shows people are not being critical thinkers.  They simply accept the message instead of contemplating it.

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Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's ...

Sum it up...extremes on both ides of the aisle are idiots and the world will likely be a better place after they killed each other off and us in the middle rule the world!!!

Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's ...

 I really don't like what I hear from these commentators, especially the calls for a "revolution" and to "take back the country from the government". They are inflammatory, and incite violence (ie. the guy who shot up a church to kill liberals last year). Where were these people over the last 8 years? 

There is a major difference between these words they spew and honest criticism. 

Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's ...

And in reverse, where were the people feigning outrage at Beck for the last 8 years? None of them seemed to mind when lefties made a masturbatory assassination fantasy film about Bush and burned him in effigy. None of them made a peep about all the talk of a revolution against their tinfoil-induced McBushHitleCheneyBurton conpiracy, nor, towards the elections last year, threatening a race/class war if Obama lost. If Beck is responsible for the nutball in Pittsburg, then Kos, Arianna Huffington, Naomi Wolf, Olbermann, et al must responsible for:

*Mulitple assassination attempts against Bush

*Bombing army recruitment offices

*Firebombing Sarah Palin's church

*Riots outside of political conventions in '04 and '08

*The cop killer in Oakland a few weeks ago and his far-left backers in the Uhuru Movement

*etc..

Why all the outrage over dead cops now anyway? Or are cop killers like Mumia and Ayers only cool because they're on the left?

Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's ...

FOX news is not a network for honest reporting.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's ...

The thing is most of these people are just talk.  Go over to the website townhall, and you see worse talk (everything from revolt to killing every liberal(or anyone to the left which if you are far right, everyone is left) in govt and citizens).  If they actually had a pair of balls to revolt, they would just do it.  Personally, I'm at the thought that they need to stop complaining about revolting and just do it, otherwise shut their cake holes, as one of my old drill sergeants would tell us.  The country didn't die under Bush, like Dems thought it would and it won't likely die under Obama's term, like repubs think it will.  Even if it does "die", all countries fail at some point in the history of the world.  It's going to happen someday in the US, we just all usually hope that its way after we die.

Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's Rampage?

It's ironic and in a way, justice, that the egg sucking dog Glenn Beck now knows how it feels to be a victim of a witch hunt.

That being said, he's still a no-talent assclown.

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Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's Rampage?

Way to resort to ad-hominem to show you are just as bad as you accuse Beck of being.

Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's ...

Beck is pretty much a troll. He deserves what's coming to him.

GameSnooper

Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's ...

CNN probably hired Glenn Beck because they felt the pressure by FOX to meet some kind of hard-line conservative quota.

I wonder how many people have seen Glenn Beck's show on calling video game bloggers "losers".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOkRI5pGT9U

He tells video game bloggers (and then gamers in general) that they are a waste of resources, all while sitting in front of cameras and a fancy studio made just for him.

GameSnooper

Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's ...

yEAH, THE GUY IS AN IDIOT AND A JACKASS, YOU KNOW WHAT THE WORST PART IS, MY DAD LOVES HIM.

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's ...

yeah let's see FAUX try and spin their way outta this one! Not that I'll be there to watch or anything, but yeah best of luck, Rupert. :P

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Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's ...

You heard it here first, people, Glenn beck is a dangerous influence who brainwashes our innocent babies into killing!!!!

/sarcasm

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Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's ...

Guns don't kill people, screeds kill people!


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Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's ...

Guns don't kill people, paranoia kills people

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Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's ...

I'll drink to that. *sips his Mtn Dew*


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Yay, another Mountain Dew fan! *chugs his MD*

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Re: Did Glenn Beck's On-air Rhetoric Fuel Cop Killer's Rampage?

*Get's temporarily lost in a pleasant little personal fantasy...*

"Media broadcaster who has publically voiced that video games are a direct cause of violent acts, is blamed of the same thing, and is forced to publically voice that perhaps external influences don't really cause these things after all".

Ah that would be wonderful. A first step in stopping all this witch hunting nonsense. *whistful sigh*

Oh well... back to reality.

Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

*Arrives a at fork in the road, ponders, and takes the "moral higher ground" route* If a TV rant is enough to drive you over the edge, you're fucked up enough that the TV rant shouldn't be blamed, really.

Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

It's odd that your so quick to defend glenn's hate mongering, when he's so quick to point the finger at us.

Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

 I'm just as sick as anyone of Glenn's hate-flinging. I have to agree; if we blame Beck for inspiring a rampage, we're just dropping ourselves down to his level. 

He's an idiot, but as much as I hate to say it, he's got every right to be one.

Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

I am not sure I agree there.

The differnce here is that Glenn Beck is activaly encouraging these conspiracy fantasies as reality.  And encouraging people to believe that an evil world government is coming for them is well known to result in violence.....

Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

Not to mention that he just recently made a comment to his viewers equating Obama and his cabinet to vampires and said that they had to drive a stake through their heart. Whether he meant to or not, that can easily be misconstrued by one of his many nut job viewers, such as Richard Poplawski, as encouraging them to attempt to physically harm or kill Obama or any one of his team.

Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

It's not Beck's fault if the crazy's don't understand what a metaphor is.

If you go crazy then I will still call you Superman.

Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

 Apparently, my good man you have not heard of freedom of speech. I believe this quote applies in this case:

“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” - Evelyn Beatrice Hall, paraphrasing Voltaire

If your response to someone like Glenn Beck is to stoop to his level and make ad hominem attacks on him, you've missed the boat.

Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

I dont see any ad hominem attacks, there. He just pointed out the fact that he was defending Glenn Beck, despite the fact that he will point fingers at gamers as soon as anything happens. Beck is as bad as JT.

Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

Beck is as bad as JT.

Hahaha. No.

 

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Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

You're right... he's worse. A lot of people actually listen to Beck.

Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

I don't agree with Beck on most things, but what he said on the video does have some truth behind it.  Obviously GTA is the scapegoat because its the most popular violent game on the market (Even though there are more violent games out there).

He doesn't blame video games solely, but all of pop-culture.  And I do agree with that.  If you look back at older television like Batman with Adam West.  People would say "Gosh Darnit" and "Holey moley".  Now we have shows that push the limits on violence and language which has lead to people becoming naturally more violent.

The next time you walk down the street and see a window that was smashed as an act of vandalism, ask yourself if you think that would have happened if TV, Music, etc was like it was in 1930s, 40s, 50s...

And just to let you know, I AM a huge gamer and have all the GTA's released to date.

 

Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

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There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

There have always been motherf*ckers, there will always be motherf*ckers, but what we can't do is let them control our motherf*cking lives. -John Oliver, December 1st, 2008

Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

Actually, we were probably more violent as a people before the age of mass media (radio, tv, internet).  The only reason that it seems that violence is so bad now, is that there are far more humans alive then ever before and we live in an age of near instant commuication(so we hear about it faster and some people commit violence for their 15 mins of fame).  Its always interesting how people think back to the 50s as some mystical time that everything was great, when I would wager that those who lived in the 50s, probably believed past generations were better then what they had.  Perhaps in 50ish years, people will look back and say "man I miss the 1990s...things were simpler and society was better back in the day".

Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

short answer yes... actually it might be worse...

funny how you mention 1930's. I seem to remember some criminals existing back then like Al Capone etc...

You know what is really to blame? Books!!!

The next time you walk down the street and see a window that was smashed as an act of vandalism, ask yourself if you think that would have happened if Books was like it was in 5,000bc 2,000bc or even 0000ad or even 1,000ad...

In fact, before language existed, humans were never violent at all... I can prove this by the very fact that no records of violence exist from those days...

People always like saying well before this we were so much better... the truth is that is a lie... people have always been violent and they are likely less violent today then they were before(look at crime statistics).

Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

I decided to look into it, and its kind of interesting. 

On the department of justices' website, they have a graph of violent crimes starting from 1973 (Which is long before the video game boom) until 2005.  The graph includes crimes from people aged 12 and above, so that includes all of those school room crazies.

Have a look:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.htm

 

Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

Neat! The decline in violent crime starts right around the time a certain violent video game was released...

Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

 Thank you, I thought the same thing though it is great to see them trying to blame him he's not at fault any more than a game.

Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

Amen to that.  If anything Glenn Beck's souped up for Fox News zanyness would make one's brain melt to the point that they are essentially a vegetable in which they wouldn't be able to pick up a foam cup, let alone a gun.

 

 

Re: Did Glenn Beck's Rhetoric Help Inspire Pittsburgh Cop

Yeah, the propaganda filled Fox is all anyone needs to become a mad man, and that unemployment is actually 15% and not 8%, that would do it too.  Government isn't counting people doing things for small cash to barely get buy while still looking for a job in their unemployment statistics.

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