PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

April 14, 2009 -

Seems like a bad trade from here.

Activision Blizzard has bailed from the PC Gaming Alliance, the trade group devoted to promoting the PC side of the video game biz.

Joining the organization, however, is Sony DADC. You might know them better by their widely-reviled SecuROM software, the DRM that famously sullied last year's Spore launch.

GP: As a longtime PC gamer who has been frustrated by the game industry's shabby treatment of computer players in recent years, I've been enthused by the concept of the PCGA. But the decidely consumer-unfriendly SecuROM is a major part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Via: Blue's News

UPDATE: Game Biz Blog spoke with PCGA Program Manager John Ehrig, who offered the organization's view on SecuROM's Sony DADC's participation:

PCGA doesn’t have any ability at all to limit its membership. Anyone that’s in the PC gaming arena who’s willing to pay their dues and sign a member agreement can become members. We’re not in a position to prevent people from joining our group.

 

We get [complaints] a lot, people saying ‘oh why are they a member, they shouldn’t be a member, they don’t really believe in PC gaming’. It’s not unusual at all... The impression that somebody in the general public might have in [a member’s] commitment to PC gaming can be completely biased by some rumour or false impressions they’ve picked up.


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Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

Note on the Update.

Of course SecuRom is committed to PC Gaming if they can keep perpetuating the belief that their method actually curves Piracy and is the only way PC Games can be safe then they are making big bucks in the name of PC Gaming.  

That is just stupid to say the public doesn't believe they are for PC Gaming of course they are for it we know they are for it they have no business without it; that's not to say we don't also understand that what they are for is basically draconic tactics that are only in favor of the publisher and developer and screw the actual end user.  That would be like saying a Dictator has no interest in Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness of course he is interested in that stuff as long as that stuff is for him and for him alone and to hell with everyone else.

Let's face it the PC Gaming Alliance is nothing more than an ineffectual group that is more interested in getting free money than actually encouraging PC Games ... Hell I should make a group called Gaming Alliance join my group and it will show you are committed to the Gaming Cause and then not do actually a damn thing in the name of the cause other than taking in money.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

ShittyROM joins the PCGA?.

 

Wow, and here I was innocently thinking the PCGA couldn't be a bigger joke. Guess I was wrong.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

I could have sworn that the PCGA was formed to help PC games get a larger market share.

So much for that theory.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

So they lose Activendiizzard and gain SecuROM?

That's like crashing your Ferrari and getting herpes in the same day.

 

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Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

^You sir win the internet. Just remember that you only get 3 installations of it.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

(ack, this should've been a reply to

StarForce 3.0 lasted over a year which is the most successful attempt I know of but the aim of DRM and other various copy protections is not to add lasting protection (after all do you really think that game publishers don't know as much about the ease of cracking these system than the average player?) but to try and prevent the wide spread pirating of their goods for as long as possible.

An average game will generally make most of it's money with a conventional sale system within the first couple of weeks. So every day you can keep the game out of the hands of pirates is a significant sales boost. After the initial glut, people pirating the game are unlikely to have made the purchase anyway so the impact on sales begins to lessen so it is not as costly when the game is cracked and on widescale distribution.

Having said that, more draconian protection systems really should state when they have install limits.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

Incorrect. SF3 was cracked within a MONTH!

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

Again, I don't, and never have trusted the the PCGA. They have always given off this arrogant fundamentalist vibe ("console gamers don't know any better" etc...). I'm all for the support and re-proliferation of PC gaming, but I don't agree with the attitude of the PCGA.

This news reinforces my stance.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM


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Technically they don't the majority are witless tweens(12-2X) who are happy consuming crap... the same goes for the majority of PC gamers but at least they have less total numbers of mouth breathers....

 


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Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

Exactly my point. That is the same regurgitation I would expect from the PCGA.

Yes most of the stuff available is crap, but jerks at the PCGA blame the consumer for making it this way instead of the publishers abondoning their duties to their fans and followers.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

Actually thats backwards if not wrong in any combination.... consumers have a responsibility to buy what they like, publishers have the responsibility  to back and sell what they...can sell. Quality falls mostly on the public with publishers and suits shearing some of the blame.

Realistically consumers are dumb buying anything they can while pubs are rushing to meet the demand and stay in profit, its corporate mentality 101, IE  we don't have to do better in fact we can do worse and raise prices while we are at it.

 


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Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

But is the PCGA acting elitist toward the demographic they want to win going to do anything except make buying an expensive modern gaming capable rig seem less palatable?

If anything is going to get that market, allowing them to play PC games in their living room without having to learn or spend too much, it is OnLive. Though I can't say the hardware market won't take a slump. but I would rather have a healthy games market than an oversaturated hardware market.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

well...lets jsut say the PCGA is still stuck in the 90s when PC gameing was all the rage... they need to start acting like PC gaming has become a 2nd to console and try and get stuff ported a tad better with lower reqs....


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Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

Just one question: Has there ever been a single instance of DRM that hasn't been cracked? I can't think of one. Certainly the stuff used with the most popular games has proven 100% ineffective. It seems to me that if something isn't helping prevent piracy at all (and that is a fact backed up by hard data), and is in fact encouraging it, shouldn't people stop using it?

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Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

In the history of videogames?

No.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

The cynic in me has to wonder if Activision Blizzard left because there was pressure for the members of the PC Gaming Alliance to adopt SecuROM.

Edit: I find the statement for their "Game Piracy Subcommittee" to be rather telling.

"Piracy of PC Games is a significant problem. This subcommittee will work to define the problem and propose recommendations that reduce piracy without causing consumer backlash that could hurt the PC gaming market."

Notice the wording... it's not the consumer's privacy or security they're concerned about. It's only how they can manipulate perception.

Consider EA's recent sleight of hand with their "no SecuROM on Sims 3 disc!" announcement. Well, no, but if you want to download updates, patches, do anything online, etc., it has to be done through their online service - which installs SecuROM.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

"Notice the wording... it's not the consumer's privacy or security they're concerned about. It's only how they can manipulate perception."

Great point!

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM


Gov and corporate love perception because they can push anything on the public and make it look like anything but rape....

 


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Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

Let me guess, Starforce is looking to join next.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

Stardock actually wants to help the industry (ironic?). They know joining a fundamentalist group like PCGA will only make things worse.

It wasn't that long ago that Stardock's Starforce DRM was much worse than Sony's SecuRom. My how things change.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

Stardock has nothing to do with Starforce:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarForce

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Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

You're right. I got them confused from that Galactic Civilizations II debacle a couple years back. My bad.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

Stardock intelligent group of developers; Starforce epic fail drm =)

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

I give up hope on the PCGA now. We know this move is akin to sending a lobbyist in to prevent a company's product from not being used (SecuROM0.

All that leaves hope for is Stardock, GOG, Impulse, and Steam to keep things going well for PC gamers.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

So the thing that is killing PC gaming and the PC gaming alliance join forces... yes seems like a perfect mix...

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

I smell a COBRA plot.

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Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

Nah, this plot makes far too much sense to be the work of Cobra.

If Cobra were behind this, they'd be using SecuROM to hack into computers so they could use all of the computers' wattage to power up a weather-altering device to cause a drought in the, I don't know, the fucken' Balkans in order to depopulate the area and then build a lab on the new, cheap property so they could...bio-engineer dinosaurs to invade Europe.

And make BAATs.  Somewhere in there they have to make a shit-load of BAATs so that the Joe's have something to shoot at.

Gods I need coffee.

 

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Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

Didn't Sony once crash the hundreds of US defense department PCs with a rootkit they put in their stuff? ( not the suckrom rootkin, a different one)

 

however the lack of dinosaurs or BAATs does make this too much sense to be the work of Cobra.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

A plot devised by the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985?

Those bastards.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

Sicrom dose everything incorrectly, first off it should only run when the game is run,it should only check the key when its online,the key is checked via a list those keys they have alot of installs(more than 5 a week and 20 a month) get black listed,online activation should never be mandatory, sicrom is uninstalled with the game it came with.

 

Hell even have it check for avtive connections of the same key if you want to sell multi copies or crap.....

 


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Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

That's a pity, hopefully the idea is to try and detract Sony from using Securom and using some kind of more customer-friendly anti-piracy measures, the other option is that the PCGA is going from quality centric to fund-centric, and that might be a concern.

Wish we knew more about Blizzards choice to leave, but the odds of that are slim.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

Sony BMG settled a lawsuit with the FTC in January 2007 over many of the same practices that are used in SecuROM. (The only difference was that Sony BMG's DRM was on music rather than games). Part of the settlement was an agreement to stop using those practices.

Sony DADC is a subsidiary of Sony BMG.

Somehow, I really don't think they're the "learning from their mistakes" type. I strongly suspect they're going to hold onto the flaming train wreck that is SecuROM until they've wrung every last penny out of it that they can, and publishers stop paying them for it.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

But-but-but secuROM's so much more free now. It's FIVE installs! Isn't that so much better? 

Oh, and no DVD-Rs or CD-Rs.

And spyware to send all your personal info to the publisher.

And no uninstalling all this (without great stress).

But hey! It's something we can all live with, right? Only pirates would complain...except the ones that bypass it...which is all pirates...

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

5 installs is only for that one game. =P It's still 3 with others.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

You're incorrect. Far Cry 2 also has 5.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

The new Riddick game is 3

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

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Gore,Violence,Sexauilty,Fear,Emotion these are but modes of transportation of story and thought, to take them from society you create a society of children and nannys, since adults are not required.


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Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

Hopefully securom will gain some insight on the consumer issues with thier services.

 

Off topic: LOL at the "Bad Ideas" tag. Fun to read through some of those older articles again.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

I see this as a potentially positive note. 

By now Sony has to know that SecuROM is a failure, and perhaps in joining the PCGA they are looking to colaborate on better DRM solutions that don't hurt the customer so much.

Joining the PCGA doesn't mean SecuROM is going to be pushed as the DRM of choice.  I don't think any of the other members would swallow that pill.

EDIT: Err, well Activision leaving isn't a positive...but I think SecuROM joining can be.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

It could mean one of two things

1. Securom is looking to mend its ways and try to improve their solution to piracy.

or

2. Securom is networking and trying to sell their services to more companies.

Which one could be anyoen's guess.

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Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

"By now Sony has to know that SecuROM is a failure"

Sorry... Sony still thinks UMD is a viable platform and that the PS3 will emerge as the #1 platform this gen.  I'm honestly surprised they're not still trying to use rootkits.  Sadly, I'm not exagerrating.  Only legal action makes Sony think twice.  Of course, that implies they think once...

Sorry... Sony probably still absolutely LOVES SecuROM at the moment and has *no clue* what most people think.

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Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

Because Audio CD rootkits DID make Sony think twice..

After a few class-action lawsuits, that is.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

 I would say they are networking because obviously the PC gaming industry hasn't caught on that we think SecuRom and how many times we can install something is BS DRM.

And I give you

The Chronicles Of Riddick: Assault On Dark Athena

3 installs and SecuRom enjoy your rental.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

And the downfall of the game industry starts once again after a short delay.  In other news, while typical gaming is on the fail boat, twitter still wont go away.  Oh God why?!

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Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

(Tue. 7:09) Went to Gamepolitics

(Tue. 7:09) Clicked on SecuROM article link

(Tue. 7:10) Left a reply to DeepThorn

 

I'm with you man...I don't understand the allure.

 

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Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

Spooneys video made me smile.

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Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

God I can't wait until he releases the next SWAT missions ... sir you are in my way.

Re: PCGA Loses Activision, Gains SecuROM

Oh yeah, more comedy grenade mishaps! YOU FOOL!!!

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