Syndicated Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

April 16, 2009 -

As a gamer, should you be allowed to vote?

Syndicated political columnist George Will doesn't think so.

Into a lengthy whinge about the wearing of denim (slow news day, George?) Will inserts this jab:

Denim is the infantile uniform of a nation in which entertainment frequently features childlike adults ("Seinfeld," "Two and a Half Men") and cartoons for adults ("King of the Hill"). Seventy-five percent of American "gamers" -- people who play video games -- are older than 18 and nevertheless are allowed to vote.

GP: Big thanks to several readers who tipped us to this story. Now get yourselves to Brooks Brothers so we can all dress like George Will.


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Re: Syndicated Columnist Takes a Cheap Shot at Gamers

"..and stop those damn kids from skatebording on the sidewalk!!"

Thats the audio that didn't get recorded...

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin

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1. He was talking about jeans both as a symbol and an actuality.  No doubt he seriously looks down on people who wear jeans. So, anyone calling him on bashing people wearing jeans is still making a point.

2. He suggests women should dress like an actual princess. Seriously, a princess.

3. I also wonder about people who are still hard working manual labor men and women.  What should they do?  He acts like they're a thing of the pass.  Are they childish for wearing jeans instead of a dead star or a princess?

4. This is a classic example of the old attacking the young for being young and different.  No different than in the 1920's when people were afraid jazz music was going to corrupt the youth of the day.  The examples of dress he uses are both dead and have been for a while I believe.  I have heard the name Fred Astaire but have no idea who he is.

5. I have no doubt that George Will would be happy if "gamers" were not allowed to vote.  Of course, I have no doubt that he doesn't want a lot of people with the right to vote.  He is an elitist that looks down on the majority of us.

6.  I think his final words are key.  He blames it on the French Revolution.  I think he would be quite happy in Pre-Revolutionary France.  The wealthy elite prosper and were considered superior by nature to the lower classes.  He seems to miss those days.

7. Write a letter to your editor if they published this.  Express your opinion (whatever it is).  It's always good to get a free exchange of ideas going.

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On point 6: Would he even make it then? Something tells me the chances of him being of 'noble blood' are slim to none.

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Guess cheap and comfortable shouldn't be taken into account....

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

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Gotta love em. NOT.

Btw whats with the giant argument at the top?

 

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I hate anti-Americans. This guy, Michael Moore, and Jack Thompson really need to stop taking whiffs of their own egos. America is the greatest country in the world until we take advantage of our rights. Soon as that happens, something is wrong with us.

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You really oughta have a word with Rick Perry, then. Apparently, Texans are as anti-american as they come, given the past few days..

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Sorry, but...no.

That wasn't a comment on how our culture has become juvenile and self-indulgent.

That was a comment on how our culture has ceased to worship at the altar of class division as an indicator of personal worth. He might as well be bitching about the revocation of medieval sumptuary laws.

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I might be offended if it wasn't coming from someone wearing a bow tie.

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Another example of an old man complaining about America's youth.

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Sortableturnip's Law: As an online discussion of video game violence grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Jack Thompson approaches 1

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Shouldn't there be a picture of Abe Simpson instead of George? It would really fit the motif.

Edit - and for all the people saying it's a metaphor: Whether or not it's a metaphor, it's still what it is. If I make a giant statue of a limp penis as a metaphor for the state of the economy, the decline of morality, ethics, personal responsibility, what have you, the fact of the matter is it's still a statue of a giant penis. And what we have here are the complaints of an old man that things aren't the same as they were when he was young.

 

Saying that Jack Thompson is impotent is an insult to impotent men everywhere. They've got a whole assortment of drugs that can cure their condition; Jack, however...

Saying that Jack Thompson is impotent is an insult to impotent men everywhere. They've got a whole assortment of drugs that can cure their condition; Jack, however...

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There is a quote I dont know who its by but it rings true.

"When criticizing the youth remember the generation that raised them"

Also maybe read up on some Cultural Studies... I believe the term is Cultural hegemony, where society can be rule (dominated, governed) by one of its social class.

It is rather funny that he used Denim as his example because I remember my professor using Denim as the example of Cutural Hegemony. I am pulling this from memory but Denim was first worn by labors who found the fabric perfect for their type of work. At this time the dominate social class were labors so for the upper class to act like they were of that class they began wearing Denim. Then when the style was to wear Denim with holes in the knees because it showed u did work the upper class started buying Denim with the holes. (btw I believe the process in which minor social class are able to buy, forge, or replicate the dominate social class is called hegemonic consumption).

It can be seen through out american history where the minority social class try to act like the dominate social class or what they believe to be the dominate social class. Some people even argue that its happening on a global scale due to the easy of communication (global hegemony).

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i guess we cant all dress like orville reddenbacher.

 

whatever.  hes a 70-year-old douche.  let him make his tired comments to sell his papers.

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What this guy says is true. We shouldn't need to wear any pants.

GameSnooper

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Bannana Hammocks for ALL!

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I am intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

 

Saying that Jack Thompson is impotent is an insult to impotent men everywhere. They've got a whole assortment of drugs that can cure their condition; Jack, however...

Saying that Jack Thompson is impotent is an insult to impotent men everywhere. They've got a whole assortment of drugs that can cure their condition; Jack, however...

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Mr. Will is quite correct, we were much better off when men wore suits and hats.  It was a lovely time when African-Americans had their own drinking fountains, people could lose their jobs for being suspected to have at some point in their life had some sort of affiliation with a leftist political organization and doctors would offer their patients cigarettes to calm their nerves.  These denim wearing, games playing moderns have run this country down the drain, what with their black presidents and women CEOs and all that sort of nonsense.  Thank God we have George Will to point out what's really important.

Charles Herold

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What?  Where is ANY of that referenced in the column?  Segregation had nothing to with suits/hats, and neither do jeans.  Quite frankly, your bringing that whole, all Conservative columnists are 1950's era stereotypes, is frankly even more stereotyped and biased than Will's comment about gamers.

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I read through the whole story, and all this man is doing is stating that the youth of America are now completely degenerate and increasingly useless - not true by any stretch of the imagination.

As a country, our youths are graduating college earlier, entering the workforce earlier, and having more and more responsibilities placed on them at younger and younger ages. I'm "only" 24 and I'm already an active resident at a hospital. Those he seems to be targeting are the small minority as described by sensationalist news stories.

And lest we forget, the country has entered the highest recorded unemployment rate since the Great Depression, if I recall correctly. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the person responsible for that not a fucking youth? Our youths are having greater pressures put forth on them, we've had our civil liberties and freedoms trampled on for the last eight years while the Republicans were in power, and as an aftereffect of the previous administration's actions, we are now, as a group, unemployed, taxed like hell, and judged by the older generation for declaring who we want in office to look out for our pursuit of the American dream.

The older generation basically fucked us over and told us to fix it our own damn selves, and now they want to sit there and tell us we're lazy, infantile, parasitical hacks who don't deserve to vote?

I don't fucking think so, Mr. Will.

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Has that younger graduation rate actually resulted in better educated students? Judging by our last election, it doesn't seem so. Do you actually know the stresses that your fathers and mothers were placed under? My father did the same physical labor as an adult when he was 8 years old.

What freedoms and liberties were stomped under Bush? Be specific here. I've heard this claim bandied about alot, and I want to know what freedoms, as enumerated by our constitutions, both state and federal, you think have been trampled upon. Do you know what "the American Dream" actually refers to? 

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Why would our last election prove that my generation is 'less educated'? Because we voted for Obama, whom you apparently disagree with? I don't see how intelligence and beliefs have any correlation. In middle school people called me 'retarded monkey boy' without any provocation merely because I thought evolution was a viable theory over Creationism.

Yes, I know what stresses my mother and father went through. Just let me say that being discriminated against by literally all my peers from age 4 due to both race and religious belief, as well as pressures from parents to do well in school, then going through med school is not a tiptoe through the tulips. And yes, I am aware that there are plenty of older people who went through even more stress in their younger lives. I am neither denying this nor am I belittling their accomplishments. I am saying that your average American youth has more responsibilities placed on them nowadays.

As for Bush, let me take a line from Jon Stewart: "...[he] was the one who started the bailouts, nationalized an insurance company, added a 17 trillion dollar prescription drug entitlement program, had a government mandated public school initiative literally titled, no child left behind, wiretapped citizens without warrants, created secret internment camps in international waters behind the reach of our justice system, and allowed his vice president to live in a nether world between the executive and legislative branch..."

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Our last election would prove that the generation is less educated because most of the arguments made in favor of Obama or against McCain or vice verse had nothing to do with an understanding of the issues, nothing to do with actual policy suggestions, and everything to do with cheap emotion. Pretty much every argument I saw articulated for Obama was an airy talking point.

I'm sure med school was difficult. Doesn't mean that your fathers and mothers had less responsibility or worked less. You grew up in the most affluent society in history. You have more luxury and more freedom than pretty much anyone. Bad comes with good and good comes with bad.

"[he] was the one who started the bailouts" If Bush's bailouts were a bad idea then Obama's bailouts are a bad idea. Obama's "stimulus" is far bigger than Bush's too. "nationalized an insurance company" Obama is nationalizing a car company and asking for power to take over any institution the administration feels necessary. "added a 17 trillion dollar drug entitlement program" Where did that number come from? "no child left behind" This says nothing. Was it a bad idea? Did it fail? Why is calling something "No Child Left Behind" bad?  "wiretapped citizens without warrarnts" How many people were wiretapped? Why? This was indeed unconsitutional in the strict sense, but may fall within wartime powers. "created secret internment camps in international waters behind the reach of our justice system" Allegedly. Any facility controlled by the US governments lies within its laws. The only way to have such camps is to give authority of the prisoners in the camps to foreign governments. "allowed his vice president to live in a nether world between the executive and legislative branch" Which is exactly where the Vice President lies. He is an executive who is given one official power: under article I, the Vice President is the president of the Senate, meaning that he can execute any parliamentary procedures that would be executed by a pro-tempore president. He may be given other duties (though not authority, which must be ratified by Congress) by the President. What did Cheney do that pissed Stewart off though?

Incidently, I don't agree with bailouts or nationalization. No government is capable of running a business wisely, and the best way to keep greed in check is with risk. Risk is destroyed by bailouts and nationalization.

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I love how you seem to think picking apart arguments made on this forum by asking for specific examples when, in reality, you know that thats not a realistic request. Rather than be picky, why not add something to the conversation?

I, for one, can tell you about what I've read, seen, heard, and pondered without requiring the use of annotated footnotes. Your arguments are similar to the ones where Sean Hannity defends himself against accusations of lying and exaggerating by saying "Cite me specific examples! When, exactly, did I lie?" When anyone with a half a brain knows he misinforms and exaggerates all of the time. (I'd be able to cite examples there, too, if I had his full history of program transcripts)

If I happened to have the "Big book of everything that ever happened.. ever" with me, I might be willing to spend the time to cite specific examples, but I dont. So, rather than blatantly trying to discredit me by asking me to provide specific examples of stuff that, honestly, I don't have the time to look up, in order to please you, maybe you could provide arguments counter to the ones that you seem to disagree with?

In essence: "Put up, or Shut up"

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And I love how you're asserting that reality is such and such without any solid, concrete proof. In our system, the burden of proof lies on the accuser(s). Would we convict somebody of a murder without proof? Would we convict somebody of theft without proof? No.

Hannity does raise a valid point: if you can't provide an example of where he lied then you have made a baseless accusation that would hurt his credibility regardless of its validity. That's called defamation of character, libel, or slander. He may lie, he may not, but if your going to accuse somebody of lying, you'd best have a good reason for it, or else it's you whose lying, not him.

So your excuse for blatant misrepresentation boils down to "I don't want to check"? Is that really the best you can come up with? Things that are self-evident are not difficult to find. They don't require time to look up, and they don't require much effort.

"Put up or shut up". That's a good idea. Why don't you? I'm asking you for information, checking what you say and questioning it. Maybe I'm discrediting you. Maybe I'm not. I'm not attempting to credit or discredit.

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Sorry, guess you never heard of the term "wrongful imprisonment". Honestly, do you know how stupid that sounds? Are the worlds issues black and white? Yes, according to you. Where the hell does that leave the rest of us. Where the fuck is your proof? Show it to me, now.

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I dont need specific sources to know what I've seen and lived through. Anecdotal evidence, in many situations, is all that is availible. Just because it isn't necessarily admissible in the court of law doesn't mean its not true.

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Quoting Jon Stewart as an accurate source of information...Shadow! I need a facepalm stat!

Although, I do enjoy both him and Colbert, just not as a citable source of information.

On a somewhat different note, when will peopler realize that the current situation is not a result of either party solely? It is equally the fault of both. Furthermore, it is the lifetime politicians that have grown to "rule" this country that have done so. After all, in you have a 95% incumbancy rate, why should you seek to represent your constituents when you can use your position to better yourself?

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Was anything from that Stewart quote actually untrue?  Ad hominem ftl.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Unemployment_1890-2008.gif

The unemployment rate was higher in the early 80's.

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Yikes, history really is repeating itself.

If I remember right, in the last Great Depression, the posh aristocrats ran the country into the ground, then blamed the worst effected people and said for them to fix it.

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I love this guy!

As someone working in the videogame industry, I can tell you there's no dress code and barely a personal hygiene code.

But... it turns out that in this industry you are judged more on your ability than on your appearance. Perhaps if the Banking industry followed suit we wouldn't have had men in nicely pressed suits ruining our country, destroying the lives of millions of investors, and being all around greedy piggy piggy fraktards.

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Yet another example of 'this guy is an idiot who doesn't know his own past':

Grace Kelly wears denim

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Nice find, made me laugh :D

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I agree with a lot of the bitching, it did seem like a big pile of "get off mah lawn!" to me as well; though I do appreciate the attempt of banter of "society today"...because, wow, what a new concept to talk about /sarcasm

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I think he's mad that he won't have a job in a year.

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Though you may want to handwave the silly comments away as simply metaphorical, I'd rather say he meant them in a bit of earnest jest with a point. However, the point is still absurd, as he also takes swings people simply for how they look in the jeans, and for the absurdity of weaing jeans even if you have money.  Perish the thought!

In his words:

"This is not complicated. For men, sartorial good taste can be reduced to one rule: If Fred Astaire would not have worn it, don't wear it. For women, substitute Grace Kelly.

I would assume part of becoming an adult in an adult society is getting past such puerile and childish obsessions about what people wear in their off hours, to their yacht, or to whatever it is the rest of us do in our off-hours. Such as gaming. Such foolishness!  Real men play golf, afterall, or dance around in the rain. Time to grow up, America!

 

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"This is not complicated. For men, sartorial good taste can be reduced to one rule: If Fred Astaire would not have worn it, don't wear it. For women, substitute Grace Kelly."

Dear god, reading that line infuriated me more than almost anything in the entire whine. I love Fred Astaire, so f' you Will for dragging him into this. I'm sorry, but for all the people trying to defend George Will by calling everything he says a metaphor, you can call a whine a metaphor, but it's still a whine at heart. His entire thing boils down to one thing, "I don't like things the way they are, the way they used to be was better." Same stupid argument from the same stupid people who think of themselves as responsible conservatives.

I'm tired of this type of mentality that dwells on inaccurate views of the past instead of focusing on the present. "Seventy-five percent of American "gamers" -- people who play video games -- are older than 18 and nevertheless are allowed to vote." That's not f*ck*ng funny at all considering that Mr. Will was alive when people DID NOT have the right to vote, simply because somebody else didn't want them to. Maybe he'd love to have us return to those grand old times when people couldn't even use the same goddamned water fountain.

I'm sorry for the swearing, but nothing gets me riled up more than implying that your vote is somehow more important than others or that certain people shouldn't have that right. George is entitled to his opinion, just as I'm entitled to my opinion as to where he can shove it.

 

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

Saying that Jack Thompson is impotent is an insult to impotent men everywhere. They've got a whole assortment of drugs that can cure their condition; Jack, however...

Saying that Jack Thompson is impotent is an insult to impotent men everywhere. They've got a whole assortment of drugs that can cure their condition; Jack, however...

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These pople need ot be held down and have their rose colored glasses yanked off, and made to know that the "grand ol days" were never that grand.

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...*slow clap* ^_^


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Saying that men should dress like Fred Astaire pretty much invalidates his point by showing how out of touch he is with the present.  I don't think his problem is with denim as much as the fact that he hasn't realized the 50s waved bye-bye.

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(And somehow what was supposed to be a reply to a comment failed to notice)


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"Reasoned" my behind! What an idiot! 

This proves yet again that "King Combover" has nothing else to do with his time. 

I must admit, there's never a dull moment when it comes to this moron. Using "Denim" as a metaphor for a "slacker society" is understandable but, for someone who is supposed to be so highly intellectual, he can do better than that! 

I always find myself wanting to rip up his op-eds after I read them.  He has never been forward thinking and his arguments are often baseless and whiny! I can't believe the Post continues to waste ink on this jerk year after year.  Only the always vile and abhorrent writings of Charles Krauthammer and Bill Kristol eclipse Will's continuous diatribes of irrelevance!

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The immaturity of society is far more larger than just trying to link Videogames into the issue.

There are so many immature people who don't even play Videogames in the first palce.

I would say that people like Glenn Beck for one, the entire Fox News team (or at least the people who make the news up), a certain disbarred  lawyer who has sent (gay and almost digital) porn to politicians and people in the Florida Bar and so many other politicians I can think of I know they are really immature.

 

Also look at the majority of Videogamers and even though you may find yourselves a few immature people, there are allot more mature people who play Videogames all because they love Videogames to begin with.

 

So I'd rather be an adult who plays Videogames rather than to be an adult who goes to the pub and drinks beer and gets drunk most of the time.

This is not just a sign of maturity, but it is also a sign of someone making their own choices in life.

TBoneTony

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You'd like the email I sent the guy.  Basically turned the article against him.

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He sounds pretty arrogant and quite full of vanity, to me.

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If anyone can comment on infantile clothing, it's the guy dressed like Jimmy Olsen.

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So only people wearing bad suits and bow-ties can have a voice in America?? 

 

I THINK NOT!!!

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Before I mail off my response to him, I thought I'd post it here for revising.  If anyone would like to chime in, I'd appreciate it.

Mr.George F. Will,

     After reading your editorial over the immaturity of today's society, I would like to say that I concur with your opinion.  As a student in Sociology, I have begun noticing and observing how our society is becoming more relaxed and immature in all of our mannerisms, whether it be the way we dress or how we act.  However, your quip regarding adults over eight-teen is intriguing.  I am confused about your true meaning in the comment:

"Seventy-five percent of American 'gamers' -- people who play video games -- are older than 18 and nevertheless are allowed to vote."

At first glance, it looked like you were attacking an incredibly vocal minority in America.  But I soon realized that a journalist for the nationally accredited Washington Post would never be that foolish.  I then looked for a possible deeper meaning until I found what I believe to be your true point.  By immaturely calling out a group for being immature, you are in fact pointing out your own immaturities.  And in a paper about how immature our nation has become, it made complete sense that you would want to tie it all together by displaying your own faults as a human being.  The irony is spot on, truly brilliant. 



However, if this was not the true intention, could you please let me know so I can compare view points?



Thank you for your time.

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My decision on whether or not you should send this letter will directly depend on whether or not the letter is a sarcastic one. If it is, don't send it, if there isn't, go ahead.

I had a similar decision when I was trading e-mails back-and-forth with Jack back in the summer of 2008. It was either take the risk of getting criminal charges filed against me (assuming he would have been able to find me as I had not yet revealed myself to him at that time), and other shit happening that I would ultimately regret, or backing off for the sake of those I care about, ensuring they wouldn't get dragged down with me. I chose to back off, and to date it has revealed to have been the right choice.

However, I will not force you to follow my recommendation. Chooose your own path.

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Technogeek"It also doesn't mean you're obligated to stop harassment from all gamers that are doing so." I'd say you're certainly obligated to call them out when you see it happening.09/20/2014 - 5:17pm
SleakerNow if you disagree with anything in my last 2 posts then we obviously have a difference in world view, and wont come to any sort of agreement. I'm fine with that, maybe some people aren't?09/20/2014 - 5:09pm
SleakerIt also doesn't mean that just because a news outlet says that Gamers are the problem and you self-identify as a Gamer, you're immediately the problem. It also doesn't mean you're obligated to stop harassment from all gamers that are doing so.09/20/2014 - 4:59pm
SleakerJust to re-iterate: People getting harassed is wrong. Just because someone is harassed by so called 'gamers' doesn't mean that all gamers are bad. nor does it mean that you need to pass laws or judgement on all gamers.09/20/2014 - 4:56pm
 

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