Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER Lawsuit

April 21, 2009 -

TASER International, which manufactures the controversial electric stun guns that bear its name, has given a jolt to Linden Lab and a number of its corporate executives with a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Arizona.

TASER, which faces numerous lawsuits of its own filed by individuals who have been tased (or, in some cases, their survivors) is concerned that virtual TASER replica items are being sold in Second Life as gear for SL avatars (see pic at left).

TASER also alleges that its brand will be damaged via association with virtual sex and virtual drug use occuring within Second Life. From the 102-page complaint:

All of the defendants that sell virtual property like Plaintiff's real ones, under the mark TASER for use in Second Life programs and grids, also sell adult-only explicit images and scenes... thus attaching such content to the TASER mark... and also sell unlawful drug materials... thus attaching such content to the TASER mark...

TASER 's claims are primarily based on trademark considerations. The company seeks damages in excess of $75,000.

Via: Massively

UPDATE: New World Notes has more...

UPDATE 2: GamesLaw offers a legal analysis of the TASER suit.

UPDATE 3: New World Notes reports that Linden Lab, owner of SL, contacted an in-world vendor of virtual items and requested that "Taser" be replaced with "stun gun."


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Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

WTF TASER Int?

TASER has become the Kleenex or Jell-O of electric shock weapons.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

Not until a court says it has. Until then, use at your own risk.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

Good, it's about time someone addressed this kind of BS going on in SL. It's silly that somehow everywhere else royalties have to be paid, but SL cashes in on other people's copyrighted content hugely.

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Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER Lawsuit

I've never seen anything being sodl claiming ot be an "official" product on the SL grid. Usually the look is based on a real object adn renamed.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

Depending on the totality of the circumstances, basing the "look" of a product on another product could be an infringement of a trademark if the distinctive "look" of the product has been trademarked. For example, I believe the distinctive "look" of the hourglass-shaped Coca-Cola bottle has been trademarked by Coca-Cola. Not matter what you rename your product, if the use of the Coca-Cola bottle shape is likely to confuse consumers that your product is Cola-Cola's product, then you could well be infringing on Coca-Cola's trademark.    

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

I've seen dozens of products that resemble devices I've seen mad by TASER and many even refer to stun guns even not made by them as TASERS.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

Forgive me, but I'm not seeing your point.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER Lawsuit

I guess they are trying to recoup losses from people suing for being injured by their real product.  Or maybe they're scared that some virtual person will sue them for being virturally tasered.  I'd give them one dollar, then charge them that dollar for uselessly taking up space in the courtroom.

 

 

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Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

I don't see them getting even that much from the court. I didn't read the complaint, but it seems, because no one's selling a real product similar to their product, all they can reasonably claim is reputational damage and no monetary damage from lost sales. If so, the most they're likely to get is the judge ordering the defendants to knock it off.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

lawyers corrupt everything they touch this document is just further proof =p

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER Lawsuit

I would think Tazer's repuatation would be hurt worse by the hundreds of police officers that abuse their product that some stupid video game version that doesn't actually hurt anyone.  Tazers suck anyway.  If you want to protect yourself, just buy a real gun. 

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Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER Lawsuit

The TASER is an intermediate step between a tactical baton (or nightstick) and the use of a firearm.

Also, 'hundreds' of police officers don't abuse their product.  There's relatively few cases of real abuse, most are, like quite a few claims, abuse of the system by criminals.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

Ahh, Second Life, now there's an interesting topic, just in my dealings with Linden Labs, I don't think that TASER will be successful, due to the fact that apparently Linden Labs only runs the world, and doesn't own the content, but also apparently the residents don't own the content either?

In the small amount of time that I had to deal with the Second Life people, I found it quite confusing to say the least, when we were thinking about opening an area to promote the Marines, all this came down to, no one fucking knows who owns what.

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Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

That was why I brought up section 230 of the CDA.  It protects service providers from user generated content, but I think only so far as threats, defamation and whatnot.  I do not believe it exempts them from copywrite or trademark violations, which is what this is, and since LL owns the servers on which that content is hosted, even if they do not own the content, they are aiding its distribution.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

But what if they don't know about it? They can't know about every single piece of data that is put on there, there will surely be some copyright infringement that will take place, but you can't just blame LL for that. There has to be true negligence or stupidity (on LL's part) to warrent such a lawsuit.

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Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

That's pretty much the defense that Napster and Pirate Bay tried to use.  How'd that work out for them?

As JDKJ mentioned, you need to send a cease & desist letter threatening legal action.  LL might think they're off the hook, but they're going to lose this case.  The whole double talk of LL saying, "We're not the ones doing it.  It's the users!" doesn't fly when you also have the users saying, "We don't techically own this stuff!  It's virtual property on their servers!"

Just because Linden Labs' EULA says they aren't responsible, doesn't mean they actually aren't.


Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

Common sense (which we all know the law has practically zero of) would tell me the following:

1. Napster/PB comparisons are irrelevant, we all know (even if we don't want to admit it) that people used it for sharing things you would normally have to pay for to get a private copy of. Yes there would be some freely shareable content on there, but come on, none of us are stupid, we all know what the people using it were/are doing. Not that I'm saying any of us did that sort of stuff :)

2. To me Linden makes the second life world, and the people make (most) of the stuff in it. Yep I'm sure there would be people copying real items, it's a virtual playground.

3. Taser if it wanted to have its name unassociated (note, the NAME, not the actual product concept of shocking someone, it's not like they're replicating taser technology perfectly to shock someone who speaks out of turn, they're simulating the result) should've contacted both linden/the company selling the item to get it removed.

4. If Taser contacted them, and the companies said 'stfu' then I can definately see and agree with a lawsuit to get the name removed. If they havn't and Taser are just going off on a tree, then I doubt they have a leg to stand on.

 

Of course, legal predicting as a layman in a whole new frontier is riskier than gambling in vegas.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

That's precisely why the Lanham Act requires that before you file suit alleging trademark infringement, you first send the alleged infringer a cease-and-desist letter informing them of your trademark, requesting that they stop the alleged infringring conduct, and advising them that refusal to stop will result in legal action against them.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

Also I didn't think that trademark infringement was a crime of intent.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

It depends.

If the allegation is one of "direct infringement," then the plaintiff-copyright holder must prove that the defendant engaged in an explotative act reserved only to the holder of the copyright (i.e., the scienter requirement is "willful" or "intentional").

If the allegation is one of "contributory infringement," then the plaintiff-copyright holder must prove that the defendant knowingly contributed in a material way to the infringing conduct (i.e., the scienter requirement is "with knowledge").

And I don't think a federal trademark infringement action can ever be criminal in nature. As I recall, Lanham doesn't provide for any criminal penalties. Just the frequently granted injuntive relief and the rarely granted monetary damages. Which is why the smart person first requests that the alleged infringer cease and desist -- because that's usually all the court will grant them as relief, anyway.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

And that is why you are the legal guy and I am just a CS student.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

No shame. I don't know my ROM from my RAM.

There are, however, a variety of state and federal laws which allow for the criminal prosecution of those engaged in the functional equivalent of trademark infringement (e.g., fraud statutes). The NYPD and the Manhattan D.A.'s Office frequently raid Chinatown and arrest and charge those persons found selling counterfeit Louis Vuitton handbags, Rolex watches, and other knock-off goods.   

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

The thing is, TASER has to enforce their trademark; it's the same as Disney and Hannah Barbara forcing elementary schools to remove unauthorized murals of their cartoon characters.  Also, I am not certain, but I think Linden Labs may not be able to seek section 230 protection on this one; I don't think it extends to trademark infringement.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

Well, the lawsuit is invalid as LL is not responsible for the items' creations or the use of the word. If the lawsuit decides that they're somehow responsible for policing to make sure such trademark names aren't used, all they have to do is send emails to those selling TASER (and I'm sure other trademarked) items requesting they change the names on the items.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

But that's the thing, can anyone seriously say with a straight face that LL are NOT responsible for what is in THEIR software on THEIR servers. If they aren't responsible for it, who is?

Pirate Bay tried that whole defence and look what happened in the end.

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Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

@Kaylakaze:

I believe the Lanham Act requires that before you file suit alleging trademark infringement, you first send the alleged infringer a cease-and-desist letter informing them of your trademark, requesting that they stop the alleged infringring conduct, and advising them that refusal to stop will result in legal action against them.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

First off, apples and oranges with the comparison to PB.

Secondly, while LL can't really be held responsible for users creating copyright-infringing material (or indecent material, etc.), they can be expected to monitor it, discourage it, and eliminate it when it's found.

I think they probably do have an obligation to prevent copyright infringement within the use of their product.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

Yeah, I thought after I posted, PB happened in Sweden, with a Swedish court and Swedish laws, so a direct comparison isn't very good.

Like people have pointed out here, it seems LL policies are a bit labyrinthine, with some sort of "We don't own the content you create, but neither do you' thing going on. SOMEONE is responsible for the content on those servers, and if it's not the users or the company, then who?

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Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER Lawsuit

I can't say I understand people's problems with police having tasers. Certainly, there are a minority who abuse them, but we're already trusting them with guns, after all.

I'd prefer the majority of officers who will never abuse a taser to have a relatively non-lethal way to control a suspect who is resisting arrest, rather than expect them all to resort to beating or shooting.

And hey, if you don't want to be tased, don't pick a fight with a police officer.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER Lawsuit

also, Tasers have come to replace night sticks in the grand majority of cases.  I'd much rather have a cop coming down on me with a taser rather than busting out my knee caps with a stick, which was the former recomended method.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER Lawsuit

You would think that, but having been TASERed, I'd much rather take the stick to my knee.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER Lawsuit

I've never been tasered, but I don't doubt you on that.

However, a taser is much more likely to put a suspect down quickly, which makes the police officer(s) safer.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER Lawsuit

Cause you know, police using tasers is so much better then virtual people using them.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

Agree with the lawsuit. Hate the product, it's cattle-prods for people.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

I would've thought Taser usage would be perfectly appropriate to the sort of thing that the majority of Second Lifers are playing it for, along with Kleenex and Band-Aid.

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Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER Lawsuit

I didn't even realize "Taser" was a brand name.  So, I learned something today.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER Lawsuit

Same here.

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Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

Ditto.

Sounds like there'd be a good case for claiming 'taser' has become a genericised trademark, which has killed off a good number of trademarks in the past. Walkman, hoover, yo-yo, tarmac . . . all were brand names once IIRC.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

Would be a better case for Jell-O or Kleenex. Who uses terms like "facial tissue" or "gelatin snack"? Nobody, that's who.

Hell, in this part of Texas, all carbonated beverages are referred to as Cokes.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

I don't know about Jell-O, but both Kleenex and Coke are former trademarked brand names which have become genericized.

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Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

You're not recalling correctly. Neither "Walkman" nor "Tarmac" have been declared genericized. Both continue to be legally recognized trademarks. "Yo-Yo," however, has been declared genericized.

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Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER Lawsuit

You have GOT to be kidding me. This is ridiculous.

 

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Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER Lawsuit

Police who use their products are usually all too willing to abuse the device and they're worried about it being used in a game?

 

SO, why aren't they suing the makers of Postal 2?

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER Lawsuit

Are you fucking retarded?  'Abuse the device'?  There are VERY FEW incidents of abuse of the device, especially when compared to complaints about excessive use of force ranging from being thrown to the ground to being shot for drawing a gun.

The great thing about the TASER is that it has no long lasting effects.  It's an intermediate step between hand to hand or tactical baton and having to use a sidearm.  It allows for more discretion, and as someone who has had the TASER demonstrated on them, it will stop any criminal in their tracks.

And you need to do some real research.  Also, Postal 2 didn't use a real TASER, it used a generic stun gun (oddly named, because it doesn't have a projectile to it), that's why they weren't sued.  Once again, research.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

those who abuse tasers would probably just as likely gladly wack you over the head with a nice solid stick, I would prefer the lack of head trauma and concussion

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

Because there are more customers who believe the police are always good then games are always good.

There are a lot of people who truely believe 'police can do more wrong' (or at minimal, if something does go wrong, the person must have deserved it or the police should get away with it because they are protecting us),.. and unfortunatly many police officers (often ones with purchacing power) believe this.

Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER ...

Not with a taser, but a good example of some of the fucked up shit that cops do. This is tame compared to stuff that they do off camera, but nontheless stupid. And the worst part is that this cop won't be fired, he'll hardly get a slap on the wrist!

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Re: Don't Tase Me, Bro... Second Life Zapped by TASER Lawsuit

Probably because they've never heard of Postal 2 :-P

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