Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

April 22, 2009 -

Although anti-game activist Jack Thompson's latest campaign to pass video game legislation in Utah got off to a fast start, it is ending both unsuccessfully and with rancor.

In the latest development, GamePolitics has learned that Rep. Mike Morley (R), the Utah House sponsor of the Thompson-authored HB 353, circulated an e-mail to his legislative colleagues last week in which he apologized for Thompson's behavior.

Morley's apology came in response to the flap caused by an Easter Sunday e-mail sent by Thompson to numerous Utah legislators. The e-mail, which ultimately prompted State Sen. President Michael Waddoups (R) to threaten Thompson with prosecution, depicted GTA IV 's Nico Bellic receiving a lap dance from a pair of strippers. Thompson also included links to videos of graphic GTA IV content.

Here is Morley's e-mail:

Subject: My apologies for Jack Thompson
Dear Fellow House Members:

Over the past few days, I have received three emails from Jack Thompson regarding his concerns about mature video games being sold to minors.  Certainly, I am concerned about the graphic violence and sexuality of some of the mature video games, I am apalled by his use of what I view as pornographic images.  I want to make it clear that I had no previous knowledge of his intention to send the images and I apologize to each of you who received his email and were offended as I was.

Mr. Thompson is a nation [sic] advocate for this cause, but he doesn't speak for me nor do I condone or appreciate his actions nor some his tactics.

Mike Morley

When asked for comment by GamePolitics, Thompson said that he hadn't seen Morley's e-mail and "couldn't care less." Within minutes, however, he fired off an e-mail of his own to Utah largely conservative legislators:

I understand that Mike Morley apologized to you all for the shocking image I sent you of two women in bikinis in a strip club.  Sorry, Utahns, but you can see that on a beach.  To see more explicit material as to what is in the GTA IV game, you had to click on the two links I provided, and that was your choice. I warned you what you would see if  you chose to do so.
 
Mike Morley's apology is ridiculous.  I didn't scandalous [sic] anyone with an image of two clad women.  What is really going on here is that I upset the Republican club that runs Utah, and those in that club are seizing upon this harmless image as a ruse to scold the outsider who unfortunately showed that some in Utah aren't serious about protecting children.  Your Governor isn't serious, and we sure as heck know your AG is not.  Heck, he takes money from the video game industry to say how well the ratings are working... Incredible.
 
The only apology that is owed is by each of you for not insisting upon an override session [of Gov. Huntsman's HB 353 veto]...  Your family values stance is a sham.  

GP: Pictured: Gov. Huntsman, Rep. Morley, Utah Eagle Forum President Gayle Ruzicka, Thompson.


Comments

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

God this is pathetic....

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

Exactly what is it about sex that pisses off Christians, anyway?  I've never gotten an elegant, definitive answer on this.  Seriously.

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For most Christians it doesn't piss them off. They just view sex as a beautiful, private, and sacred thing shared between a couple... typically many Christians frown upon depicting sex as entertainment and just a past time. Truly they just believe it is a wonderful thing.

Extremists will go nuts and say all displays of anything sexual are bad.... then again Extremists will burn copies of Harry Potter because "it teaches kids witchcraft".

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People have a perfectly rational reason to be offended by sex. "Rational" in this case does not always mean "a basis most people can agree with". It's rational in the way that Bin Laden's goals to attack the US are rational...you can call him nuts, but you can see what his motives were.

Bunny is mostly correct, sex is seen as being trivialized in entertainment, but another reason is that irresponsible sex is more likely to happen than irresponsible violence.

GameSnooper

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I remember someone coming up to me at lunch one day and shouting at me that I was going to Hell as Harry Potter is the Devil. I was wearing a Golden Snitch with its wings clipped and had a string through the holes left behind.

Sovereign, what fools you humans are! 

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Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

Wait one.  Did I read that correctly?  Jack is attacking the utah republicians?!  Wow, just... wow.  The rest of the un-apology is his normal speel (if you only did what I said then I would be happy) but for jackie, who the conservative from hell,  to attack Utah the place of his ego (ie his award) and his sponsor the eagle forum boggles the mind (at least mine).  

I have to admit though I am almost impressed.  Not many have the ego (or lack of sense) to go into a public forum and all but demand the apology of a state or at least the respectives becuase HE is right and they are wrong. 

I swear jackie might have acutally slipped further down the evolutionary tree. 

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

just "slipped"!? i thought he hit rock bottom a long time ago?

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

Now he is going subterrainian. He hit rock, but he is going to drill down as far as he can!

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

It's like watching the house of a neighbor you don't like burn to the ground, and the neighbor keeps throwing rocket fuel into the fire.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

I'd say more like pouring half a glass of water on it and going "fire's out!" or grabbing a lawn gnome and sayign "saved a family heirloom"

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

Here's what I really want to know...

How many times can this guy get his ass kicked before he quits?

That's it, that's really my primary question when it comes to Thompson. How many times is this guy gonna have to get his ass handed to him before he realizes that maybe, just maybe he's wrong.

He reminds me of that joke my father told me when I was a youngster. It was about a woman who went to see her son in a marching band. They all seemed to be walking together except her son, and of course when the marching band had done their thing she went to see the conducter, very concerned, because she wanted him to be aware that everyone in the entire marching band was out of step. Except, of course, for her little Johnny who was marching perfectly in rhythm, all by himself.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

as many times as it needs to until people finally do as he says (which is... never)

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

How many times?

Here's a hint:

http://www.superdairyboy.com/Toys/Bop_Bags/Bozo_The_Clown.html

And it's just as fun to watch him bounce back up just so he can get knocked back down.

I also notice there's a "blank" version too.

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Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

Keep burning those bridges to your lonely solo island of solitude, Jack...

 

WE SAULTE YOU! [/sarc]

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

As someone pointed out before: "...and those in that club are seizing upon this harmless image as a ruse to scold the outsider who unfortunately showed that some in Utah aren't serious about protecting children."

 

So... the legislators aren't serious about protecting children from a harmless image?

If you consider it harmless, why do you insist they do something about it?  Why do you try to intimidate (side note for Thompson: You are about as intimidating as a timid chipmunk) the Utah AG into prosecuting retailers for supposedly making this harmless image available to minors, and threaten the AG with legal action if he does not?

 

Also: "To see more explicit material as to what is in the GTA IV game, you had to click on the two links I provided..."

So, what exactly is more 'explicit'?  The pixelated lap dances?  Something you can see a 'real' version of on at least one show on almost every mainstream network?  And might I add, these networks do not require their viewers to go through any age verification process to view such content, not even a credit card check.  Where is your rancor against these shows which display the exact same content you are so fanatically opposed to in video games, but do so with real people?

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

Jack is self distructive and imploding at a rather rapid rate. And we GAMERS are the unstable ones?

Please let Jack stay around guys, he is doing more for the GAMER cause than you realize. He makes us look like model citizens.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

well on the bright side (for Jack Thompson) games DO cause people to go unstable...

People like Jack Thompson... so at least he has ONE proof of what he's claiming for years...

 

Isn't it ironic.... don't you think?

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

A little too ironic... and yeah I really do think...

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

He "couldn't care less", but cared enough to rebutt someone else's apology to complete strangers for his behaviour.

Riiight...

He thinks the Utahns are prudes because they were offended by what they can see "... on the beach", and yet he's using those images to promote the idea that the game is offensive.

Riiiight...

 

Y'know, everyone talks about how Rod Blagojovich is so self-unaware with no real conception or idea of what he's doing, but the reality is that Thompson has had that crown for years, and retains it.

How has the man not had an aneurism?

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

"How has the man not had an aneurism?"

Because he doesn't have a heart or a brain?

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I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

-------------------------------------------------- I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

Or da noive. 

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

When Spitzer was shown a copy of the picture an aide overheard him mutter "Lisa, Beth?"

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

You shouldn't use porn to promote your cause Jack. I feel like gamers are Jack Thompson's only friends.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

If so, he must be the friend nobody likes.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

Wow Jack, you just made even more enemies.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

Sadly politicians are not allowed to have public enemies.  Better to say he did not make any friends or land any future favors to call on. 

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

Its obviouse your not gonna win over the Utah congress if your only sponers is APOLIGIZING for your actions Jack.

 

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Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

"What is really going on here is that I upset the Republican club that runs Utah, and those in that club are seizing upon this harmless image as a ruse to scold the outsider who unfortunately showed that some in Utah aren't serious about protecting children."

Again with the persecution complex, Jack? It's always everybody else's fault but your own.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

I loved that bit ^_^

Now the concervative movement is conspiring against him too.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

Morley should consider himself lucky.  Jack could have sent him gay porn like he did with that judge a while ago, or a condemning letter to Morley's mother ala Strauss Zelnick.

M. Carusi

Capitol Gaming

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Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

It's never too late for a shower of Jack-O's rain.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

Problem, Mr. Thompson (other than your blatent double-standard):

If you think that picture is pornographic, then you have to label every CSI or Law & Order show (and all their copycats) as pornographic too. I've lost count how many times we've seen the detectives in clubs.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

This certainly doesn't bode well for his chances in Louisiana.  He's already burned quite a few bridges there, and I've no doubt that there are still some people there who remember him from last time.  All one has to do is bring this up to anyone there to see how much of nutcase and a con man he is, and his bill's going to be torpedoed real quick.

And I have to agree with one of the previous posters; he sends a picture of two strippers in bikinis holding it up as an example of how offensive GTA is, then he turna around and says it isn't offensive?  The mind boggles.  Then again, everything JT does is mind-boggling to me.

As for his warning about clicking on links to videos, I think that is more appropriate for something like, say, the alternate ending for Drakengard.  God, just thinking of it now makes me nauseous.  Some things you just can't unsee.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

It's a sad day for your 'career' when your allies have to apologize for you antics. xD

Life begins and ends with Choice. Anything in your life that unlawfully or immorally steals Choice from you should be excised immediately, totally, and destroyed utterly.

Life begins and ends with Choice. Anything in your life that unlawfully or immorally steals Choice from you should be excised immediately, totally, and destroyed utterly.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

This isn't sad for Jack, it's just another step in his Super Awesome Secret Plan.  Everything is going exactly as Jack wants it.  Our feeble gamer minds simply can't comprehend his grand vision.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

oh, but of course! xD How could I forget the Super Awesome Plan. Silly me.

Life begins and ends with Choice. Anything in your life that unlawfully or immorally steals Choice from you should be excised immediately, totally, and destroyed utterly.

Life begins and ends with Choice. Anything in your life that unlawfully or immorally steals Choice from you should be excised immediately, totally, and destroyed utterly.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

I'm glad Thompson burned his bridges like he did. I really hope that he starts realizing that there are a lot of mature gamers in Utah, and that number is only growing. What I also don't think he realizes that the politicians are also examining the reprecussions of any sort of legislation that would have done what he wanted, but then we'd be going back in a giant circle, debating his original bill.

Is Thompson, the outsider, getting pushed by the wayside? Yes. Is it because the world is out to get him? No, not at all. Thompson is not a constituent. And for him to have such a massive influence in my state's government in the first place is insulting.

Mr. Thompson, will you do me a favor next time? Move here, pay taxes, participate in state government, all in that order before trying to force your laws (of which weren't thought about hard enough) on me, my family, my friends, and my businesses in my city.  Despite the idea of job growth being high in Utah, my city (a small one, though) is not seeing the benifits of that.  Help the city, and the state tackle with other problems as a concerned citizen of Utah prior to trying to just get a foothold in federal politics by getting your agenda passed at a state level.

---- There is a limit for both politicians against video games, and video games against politicians. http://www.goteamretard.com

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

Jack's pretty much that con/salesman that went around towns selling his "cure all remedies" which is pretty much the grandfather to infomercials today. Seriously, maybe Morley and the nutsos in the Eagle Forum should have taken five minutes to look up Jack Thompson's history before jumping into bed with him.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

Just so I've got this right...

If the images are found in games, to quote Jack:

"If you are offended by seeing this, as was Senate President Waddoups, then know that you should be more offended by the fact that Utah kids can buy the game in which there are repeated sexual encounters like this..."

However if you have to defend sending the images to people, to quote Jack:

"I sent you of two women in bikinis in a strip club.  Sorry, Utahns, but you can see that on a beach."

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

Yeah, and honestly that is some of the most NSFW content I've found in the game. In fact I've never found it, I didn't even know you could get two strippers, and I couldn't care less really.

If you go for the "Warm Coffee" achievement you get an outside view of the girl's apartment while hearing about how interesting Nico is. Admittedly, picking up a prostitute is a little worse but really all you see is the prostitute on your lap fully clothed and moving a little while the car bounces.

 

-"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

-"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill

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Yeah, you don't even get bonus health this time around.

BTW, you can get other women.  One tells you you're very lucky.  I forget about the other one.

 

"That's not ironic. That's justice."

"That's not ironic. That's justice."

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

Still no word from the Utah Eagle Forum?

"My God, Bones.  What have I done?"

This is going to be more and more the attitude of people having connected themseleves to the Traitor John Bruce.

Only, it won't be turning "death into a fighting chance to live".  It'll be closer to asking a buddy to make nice with a Klingon and the buddy waltzing up to the Klingon and handing him a tribble.

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Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

In one of the letters Jack sent, it looked like a stern reply to Gayle Ruzicka but her initial message was chopped off.  It would appear that she's not happy with Thompson's shenanigans, either.

Hey, Gayle, how's that whole Freedom Award you gave him working out for you?  People tried to warn you about him, but you didn't listen.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

Translation of Thompson's "rebuttal"

"NO U!!!!1!1!!1"

 

Thompson should really be the one apologizing, then again, we should have had hoverboards and flying cars already.

And of course Thompson again demonstrated his complete in ability to take any blame himself and how is always oh so happy to force others to shoulder the blame if he can.

After this email, I doubt they'll be listening to him again

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

we should have had hoverboards and flying cars already.

According to 'Back to the Future' we still have about 6 more years for those to show up. When Marty and Doc Brown when into the future they went to October 21, 2015 so there is still hope!

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

I've got my preorder for a "Mad Dog" already!

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

John Bruce feel remorse and apologize? What are you smoking. He proved to be incapable of remorse during his disbarment trial.

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Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

Which is why I would never accept a forced apology from him, and since I know an apology form him will only happe nwhen pigs fly, I'll only listen when I see airborn swine out my window.

Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack ...

It's just a little airborne! It's still good!


Re: Utah Bill Sponsor Apologizes to Colleagues for Jack Thompson

Airborn swine? I can arrange that, but I'd need your address and a pretty big catapult, and I don't think I'm allowed to ask for the former, and I doubt I'd be able to get the latter on a plane.

 
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