Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

April 27, 2009 -

An online game released more than a year ago is suddenly causing a stir in religious circles.

Faith Fighter, launched in January of 2008 by the always-provacative Molleindustria, allows players to pit various deities against one another in Mortal Kombat-style action. The virtual combatants in the game include a depiction of Allah, a serious no-no in the Muslim faith.

Metro.co.uk reports that some Christians, Hindus and Buddhists are upset as well. Douglas Miller, pastor of Birmingham's Link Church, told Metro:

This game is going out of its way to upset people and I think it should be taken off the internet. Playing violent video games will ultimately affect your behaviour and this game is deeply offensive and provocative.

An unnamed representative of the Federation of Muslim Organisations added:

In the current climate, this game can only create fear about religion. Having images depicting Muhammad in this way is also very offensive to our faith.

However, a spokesperson for Molleindustria defended the work:

[The purpose of the game is] to push gamers to reflect on how sacred representations are often used to fuel or justify conflicts between people.


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Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

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What muslem deities are there? As I know, there is only one, Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet - according to the Moslem faith. Mohammed is NOT a Moslem deitey - no matter how much some guys at the OIC want him to be.

Mohammed was and is a normal human being that even in his own lifetime (is supposed to) have said: 'dont follow me or what I did or even what is in the Koran, but think for yourselves'.

And the picture prohibition is only valid for Moslems, not for people in other religions.

On a more general note, caving in to pressure from the IOC e.g. may mean that other groups will say this game is offensive to us.

In Forgotten Realms say, we have a desert area; the buildings clearly resemble ones found in the Middle East/Arabic Peninsula. Likewise in Gothic 3, the area to the south clearly reminds you the same areas. And don't get me started about Baldur's Gate 2 - merchants selling wares from tents.

The problem or challenge is that nearly everyone can find anything in a game or movie, book or music dvd they will get offended over in that particular movie, game etc.

 

 

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Don't these people know that depictions of Muslim deities will make a large portion of the Muslim population flip out and try to kill you, fail, and kill a whole load of innocent bystanders in the process?

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May I get credit for this? I WAS the person who did send the link for said website.

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I don't know what is so upsetting about this. The names are the same but the fighters barely even resemble like the dieties they are supposed to represent. I am Catholic so I had a look at the "Jesus" fighter and he doesn't even look close to the common protrayal of how Jesus looks and therefore I can not find this offensive in any way. It could have easily been some normal person named Jesus (as that is an actual name people still go by).

Anyhow, there are still plenty of mirrors of the game floating about and there probably always will be. If anyone is curious, here is a currently live copy of the game. Find out if it's offensive for youself because I don't think it is. If the names were taken out, nobody would even know who these fighters were supposed to be:

http://www.toxicarcade.com/swf/faithfighter.swf

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

Sirjonk, what the hell?

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Faith-Fighters has been removed

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HOLY EPIC FAIL.

This will give to censor pushers even more power against the next thing they happen not to like. Thanks, Molleindustria. Thank you very much.

 

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"In the current climate, this game can only create fear about religion."

 

Funny, I thought people blowing themselves up in restaurants did that.

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

If a religiously offensive game is made, and there are no religious people around to see it and no religious people will ever play it, is it still offensive?

Apparently...

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Oh noes! A game featuring the imaginary characters of most fairy tales for adults, aka religions, has been released for a whole year!

 

If they were too blind to realize it till they need to feel an impulse of anger to sputter on the in internet, it's their problem. But I'll be damned when someone tries to defend the name of a senile old man whom, "historically",  we're all the children of and yet decided to drown us all a few millinias ago, out of some very weird anger-induced power-trip. If he exists, it would only be logical to start sending arrestation warrants around. Or make an internet game about it, at least.

Besides, most religion want their propaganda spread right? What better way than a parody-cartooned-style video-game to wrangle around some of them youngin' believers aye?

 

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Google for 'Bible Man'. The propaganda already exists and it's worse than you think.

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Haha, I remember seeing that, with the dorky friend from Charles in Charge who's had drug problems over the years. Bible Man is an addict with issues.

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If this game took a year to generate some controversy then it could have done much better...

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Just give the game a rest, it has already been out for more than a year and even though I never heard anything about it until now, you religious freaks are only hurting yourselves by making it popular in the first place.

 

Enough said, plus you can't take things off the internet because the internet is the best form of Freedom of Speech and Expression even though you may hate it, I don't give a rats about the game.

TBoneTony

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Hello, this is from molleindustria.

The article on Metro UK is misleading.

As this site points out, the game has been around for more than a year, it has been played by thousands of people and exhibited in various art venues around the world.

We received a couple of hatemails from catholic players but absolutely NO complains from ANY religious organizations.

We assume the anonymous tabloid journalist simply pointed the game to those 3 people in order to get one-liner statements and give the impression that some kind of huge controversy was happening.

The game is obviously meant to be provocative but it was more a response/complement to the one-way western satire of the infamous Danish Mohammed cartoons.

And if it was just about causing a shitstorm and getting hits we would have been more offensive.

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Metro is a *free* newspaper that's given away on public transport in several countries around the world (UK, Scandinavian countries and I think the USA too). It's a complete rag, amusing to read if you're bored on the bus but its quality is absolutely awful.

I'd bear that in mind in addition to the possible sensationalism they're going for. I just googled 'faith fighter' and the first page was nothing but links to the game itself, with one news site that has practically copied and pasted the Metro article.

There's a Muslim who is, and I say this sincerely, providing feedback and thoughts in the comments of that article if anyone is interested:
http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2009/04/27/faith-fighter-game-unites-religions-in-outrage/

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Woa, mad props to that Muslim guy. His first post basically sums up my thoughts on that faith in general, and then he proceeds to keep his cool in the face of a troll army...just wow.

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The people that go haywire against him blindly are the kind of people that get my blood flowing and make me feel like homicide. Games don't make people want to kill people, people make people want to kill people.

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How petty do you have to be to be that deeply offended by a year-old flash game?


 

Dear religious leaders: If your faith is making you a less emotionally mature person, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

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All religion is stupid.  I say, make fun of it all you want & those who get offended can piss off.  When ya die, you rot in a box.  Enough said.

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And you're argument that all religion is stupid and wrong is just as bad of an argument as saying they know the one true God and all others are wrong.

Enough said.

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At least, that's what you think.

I'm not saying "you're wrong" or "I believe otherwise", but until numerous persons, who have no familiarity with each other, die, come back, and give identical, well-documented accounts of the "other side", none of us will ever truly know what happens after you die...

Well, of course your body rots in a hole in the ground, but...well...dammit all. What I'm trying to say is.....I'm keeping my mind and options open.

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They've run simulations of "death" on a neural network structured similarly to the visual cortex. Wanna guess what the networks saw?

So no, even consistent explanations between different observers doesn't mean much.

 

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This is where we make use of the word "faith," and leave it at that.  ^^

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I think the more appropriate words are desperation and fear.

 

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Heh.  A witty remark, but I'm not going to debate personal preferrance with you, sqlrob.  Suffice to say that one needs more than fear and desperation to have "faith."  ^^

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Fear of religion is exactly what this world needs.  People need to start thinking for themselves, and not  let some ancient and supposedly holy book do it for them.

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Fear is a big component of religion, what people need more of is seeing them for what they really are. Fear in itself is a dangerous weapon...... I almost quoted Yoda....

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Mockery and fun is what the world needs, what religions need, what religious people need to find ways into. Religions shouldn't be dead serious, shouldn't be like what they feel to me: artifical, arbitrary rulesets to follow that aren't humane any more, and don't feel natural in any way.

 

Relgions that come up with rules should get used to the fact that people break rules. People will depict gods, godesses and whatever prophets at their leisure. There's no way you can tell someone not do write something, not to draw something. The moment you turn away they'll do it anyway.

 

Overgrown sensibility and political correctness has turned religion and what they stand for into spitting images of themselfes. Humour is at least as important as any god could ever be. If there's no fun in life, life is worthless. If your god knows no humour, and can't take a joke, or an image of itself, or doesn't even have the thick skin to laugh at mockery of itself, it's hardly worth following anyway. Religions and way too many people have sensitivity issues when it comes to respect, faith, self image. 

 

Get out more, laugh more, look at religions and point out their flaws or whats funny and silly about them, and have a good laugh! It's healthy, and they all need it to survive. If we keep having to go in the basement to giggle a little, that sucks.

 

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An Italian Living in Britain has a lesson for Americans about the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Dear Americans,

This does NOT apply to:

 - Countries that are outside the United States
 - Non-governmental entities (with the exception of those engaged in commercial speech)
 - The Internet in general, outside those areas under direct control of Congress.
 - Actions of censorship that are not enshrined in law

It certainly does not apply to an Italian game, or comments on said game by an English pastor living in England and published in a British newspaper.

Kindly stop citing your First Amendment in places it clearly cannot be applied, it makes you look silly and ignorant of your own founding principles
Regards,

The Rest of the World

Re: Religious Groups Outraged by Online Game

As I said before the game is also hosted on some American websites. Such as newgrounds, so in order to get it removed from the internet they would have to get it taken down from those American sites as well as the British sites.

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It's funny how everyone goes out of the way to not show an image of Muhammad, since under the Muslem faith (as far as I know) depicting ANY of the prophets (including Jesus) is forbidden.

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Religious groups outraged!

Next in the news, oxygen required for life, the sun is warm, the sky appears blue and 1+1 has been determined to equal 2!

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Remember folks being personally offended by it is a good enough reason to have it removed from the internet.

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The bigger you are the more impossible it becomes to stop people from poking fun at you.  It's going to happen.  The only choice you have is to either grow a sense of humor about yourself or be offended.  The latter ensures that you alienate those you should be the most accepting and caring of.

Jesus ate with prostitutes and forgave those who stole from their fellow man.  Why not try living by his example rather than condemning those who don't?

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Yes, because censorship is *always* the best option when a religious group finds something offensive.

/facepalm

There needs to be *more* material that's offensive to religious groups.

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To any and all religious people who find this offensive: grow a sense of humor or get some vagisil.

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Maybe someday, some game will offend my sensibilities and I'll finally understand where these people are coming from.

Or not.

 

Andrew Eisen

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You know what?  Religion offends me.  Religious people offend me.  What the hell are they doing to make me feel better?  Why the fuck are people like me (secular) expected to change my lifestyle to accomodate their ways? 

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So what about people like me. I am religious in my own way and in my own belief. I have no intention of trying to make you feel better. Nor do I have any expectations of you to accomodate what I believe in.

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You're saying that I could do nothing but believe in God, and you'd be offended?  Dude, that makes my pissing people off so much easier!

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You shouldn't be expected to.  It's just a shame that many religious people tend to hold a "holier than thou" attitude that drives them to condemn those who don't believe what they do.  Those that condemn (in the Christian faith anyway) are actually putting themselves in a position of authority above the very God they believe in and throwing the lesson of "love thy neighbor" ("neighbor" meaning anyone and everyone) back in Jesus' face.  They're hipocrytes, plain and simple.

Oh, and if all you want is to feel better there are plenty of ways to do that without any kind of religion.  If that's the case, go ahead and do whatever you like so long as it's legal.

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Did you mean "those that condemn (in any religion who recognizes a higher entity as the judge of mankind, of which there are many besides Christianity) are actually putting themselves in a position of authority above the very God they belive in"? 

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I didn't feel qualified to speak on behalf of religions I'm not as familiar with, which is why I specifically referred to Christianity.  Though I'm sure the same is true of some other religions as well.

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Adult Swim has a game exaclty like this that they even advertise on TV, but with only characters from Christan mythology. Hmm, funnoy how no one has said anything about it.

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Tonight at eleven: Christians, Muslims, and Jews weigh in on controversial, year-old Internet fighting game; Scientology strangely absent. News at Eleven!

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Talk about slow. The game has been out for a year, and only now they're bitching. Seems kind of pointless. It's not like the more recent baby shaking iPhone app that people were bitching about and continue to do.

When Jack Thompson runs his mouth, does anyone really care what he has to say anymore?

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You have to remember, they're religious leaders. They get all news later than the rest of us. Hell, in the case of evolution, they're 200 years behind and counting. It's like that episode of South Park where they unfroze that guy from 3 years in the past.

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